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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          01-Oct-99 23:01:24
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>
kahnt@go-away-spammers.adan.kingston.net "Mark L. Kahnt" writes:

> Eeek!!! Reminds me of the days of using a teletype terminal on
> a 110 baud modem back in university!
>
> Can you imagine even browsing the web that way?

Strangely, yes.  This will sound like one of those urban myths...

A friend once knew somebody who wrote a version of the old game
Space Invaders which output to an ASR33 teletype.

It still boggles the mind.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net                 01-Oct-99 16:41:25
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 on Warp3/FP32

From: steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net

In <37f43907$1$ewyncunz$mr2ice@news.infinet.com>, on 10/01/99 
   at 12:23 AM, rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) said:

>SET TEMP shows drive H:, which has about 800MB free.  SET TMP points to
>drive E: (about 370MB free).

Just a WAG.  Make sure there are no spaces folling the = character or
trailing spaces on the SET line in CONFIG.SYS.  I've seen this cause
trouble.

Worst case you can use the System Trace Facility to find out exactly which
file is causing the problem.

Steven


--
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Steven Levine <steve53removethis@earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE #10183 Warp4/FP11
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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 00:51:02
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

John Hong (jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca) wrote:

: Everything seems to work fine except on the Windows 95 side.  Apparently, 
: each time I start it, it gives me this error message "...screen...".  I 
: didn't write it down in detail, but suffice to say it was the number of 
: colors displayed.  Apparently Describe Win32 does not like having 65k 
: colors (High color - 16bit), nor does it like True Color - 32bit so that 
: leaves me with a crummy 256 colors.  Don't know if the resolution matters

	Don't you hate it when this happens?  I found out myself that the 
problem ended up being the trial I was running with SciTech Display 
Doctor for Win95.  After I switched back to the stock video driver from 
S3, sure enough Describe Win32 works fine.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     02-Oct-99 00:28:13
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: Installing Netscape 4.61 on Warp3/FP32

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:57:48, "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> 
wrote:

> Also check that "temp" and "tmp" are pointing to a subdirectory, not
> the root of a drive. i.e. temp=x:\temp\ , NOT temp=x:\ .
>  
> 

Try "temp=x:\temp", I think you will have a problem with the trailing 
slash.

Be sure to look for duplicate entries for these. I think it was Lotus 
SmartSuite, that installed a second set of each, and the TCPIP 
install, and VAC++, will create one for TMP. Other programs may do 
likewise. Only the last entry will be used.

hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                01-Oct-99 20:11:12
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

John Hong wrote:
> 
>         Okay, just got Describe in the mail today (thanks Paul).  Damn
> that's a good manual...  Anyways, I have it installed in all forms.  OS/2
> version, Win3.1 version (Win-OS/2), and also on my Windows 95 partition.
> Everything seems to work fine except on the Windows 95 side.  Apparently,
> each time I start it, it gives me this error message "...screen...".  I
> didn't write it down in detail, but suffice to say it was the number of
> colors displayed.  Apparently Describe Win32 does not like having 65k
> colors (High color - 16bit), nor does it like True Color - 32bit so that
> leaves me with a crummy 256 colors.  Don't know if the resolution matters
> any (set at 800x600 currently).  Does this "Frequent Flier CDROM" update
> the Windows 95 version since I have read it updates the OS/2 version.
> Interesting problem since the Windows 3.1 version did not give any such
> error message.
>         I'm standardizing myself on Describe at any event.  Now, this
> means I can type away doing whatever I normally do under OS/2 and can
> then print the document up under Win-OS/2 (or Windows 95) with the best
> possible printing quality that my inkjet printer can deliever.  Man this
> will just kick ass when I have photo's embedded in my Describe
> documents.  No more re-formatting!
> 
> (To Buddy; it arrived, thanks)

The only problem is that if someone sends you a WORD document, you can't
use DeScribe to look at it, and the WORD user can't look at you DeScribe
documents.  Even Star Office can't import you DeScribe documents.  I had
a lot of DeScribe documents and that was the reason I didn't want to go
to Star Office, but when I got the new machine and no longer had the
install media for DeScribe I finally broke down and downloaded SO.  Then
I had to start re-doint manually all those documents.  I hope I got all
of them, because the HD on my 486 just went south.  When you power up,
you cannot hear the disk start to spin like it used to.  Can't boot.
-- 
Dale Erwin
3624 Coral Gables Drive
Dallas, Texas 75229-2619
(214)893-8738

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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             01-Oct-99 20:25:10
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

I think Byte changed from being sold on newstands and by subscription to being
distributed free of charge to "qualified" professionals and supported by
advertising revenue.

Alan Beagley


Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...

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From: fheitka@ibm.net                                   02-Oct-99 01:01:05
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: fheitka@ibm.net 

I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
arrange drive letters based on the startable
or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?

I have DOS, Windows 95 and NT on the first primary
partition, OS/2 on the second, and the rest of the
partitions are extended and are a mixture of
HPFS, VFAT, and FAT32. THe bootmanager appears to
be installed at the end (last partition) of the disk. 

I thought that if I could move bootmanager to the first
partition of the disk I could fix my problem. I
have Partition Magic, but it wont let me move
bootmanager.

-- 
Fred

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From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu                           01-Oct-99 21:51:16
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: Tell me this can't BE

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu>

Maurice Janssen wrote:
> 
> AFAIK the key that used to work for 1.x and up to 2.2 will not work in
> 2.3 anymore. But if you are happy with an older version then you don't
> have to pay again.

Actually, if you bought a key with the "new" license structure
introduced with 2.1 or so, it works with 2.3.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                01-Oct-99 21:52:16
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: Tell me this can't BE

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Maurice Janssen" <mauricej@xs4all.nl> said:

>On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:07:58 +0200, Christian Hennecke wrote:

>>lifedata@xxvol.com schrieb:
>>> 
>>> In a release of Injoy Dialer I found this.
>>> 
>>>  * InJoy Basic versions 1.x and earlier expire with this release and
>>>    need to be re-registered.
>>> 
>>> Tell me they can't do that!!!
>>
>>Huh? Does this mean that they want you to pay gain for using their OLD
>>software? This is ridiculous! Have a look at your license. I guess there
>>will be nothing about a time-limited license. Or can they really do
>>that?

>AFAIK the key that used to work for 1.x and up to 2.2 will not work in 2.3
>anymore. But if you are happy with an older version then you don't have to
pay
>again.

That would be my assumption as well, but that isn't what it says.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: htravis@ibm.net                                   01-Oct-99 23:14:23
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:13
Subj: Re: No more free Software Choice? 

From: htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)

In <slrn7v5tml.ma.rsteiner@bigmike.claycon.com>, on 09/30/99 
   at 05:36 AM, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) said:

>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Lorne Sunley <lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca> spake
>unto us, saying:

>>Many people have claimed they are willing to pay for a new client.
>>Why aren't they willing to pay for updates to the existing client?

>I'm willing to pay for a new client, but I've been operating under the
>assumption that it would support SMP (a likely thing for a new client
>release, I think).

>The probability of IBM providing that via Software Choice is very close
>to zero.  This gives me little reason to take that route.

I, too, would like SMP included in a client? Why? I'd rather double up
my obsolete PPro processor for under $100 to get 400-500mhz performance
and throw money at IBM than pay $500+ for new MB, 500mhz processor and
new memory.

Can IBM shareholders complain that I'd rather send money IBM's way
because of the return to equity (different definition) in OS/2 than send
my $$$ to competitor Intel?

-- 
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htravis@ibm.net (Harry Travis)
DemostiX
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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 02:28:10
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Dale Erwin (derwin@airmail.net) wrote:

: The only problem is that if someone sends you a WORD document, you can't
: use DeScribe to look at it, and the WORD user can't look at you DeScribe
: documents.

	No biggy, at least for me.  I don't send out or recieve documents 
save normal text.

: Even Star Office can't import you DeScribe documents.  I had

	Lotus Word Pro 96 for OS/2 I know can read them, and I'll assume
the 97 version can, too.  However, I believe the Describe filter for Word 
Pro is strictly a OS/2 specific feature.  The Windows 95 version of Word 
Pro 96 I know does not have a Describe filter.  But I guess the advantage 
there is that you can then export it as a Word document.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 02:32:06
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: FP42...nope

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	One item that has been broken since FP40 (at least for me) has 
been the DOS_VIDEO_MODE feature where you can limit the DOS session to 
just CGA or MONO graphics.  Selection of either since FP40 will simply 
result in the application exiting via an error.  Prior to FP40 I had 
always been running WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS in this manner with the 
DOS_VIDEO_MODE set back to CGA (thereby gaining more conventional RAM).  
Unfortunately, FP42 still has not fixed that.  Ah well, looks like its 
back to FP39 for me...though I may nab the PMMERGE and PMD(something or 
other) since both were the causes of memory leaks listed in the FP42 Apars.


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 02-Oct-99 01:26:24
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37f55957_4@news1.prserv.net>, fheitka@ibm.net writes:

>I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
>OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
>NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
>letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
>arrange drive letters based on the startable
>or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?


I had this same problem, except that i installed NT *first* 'cuz
MS products are notoriously predatory. NT 4 was fine on C:, but
after BeOS went on the other primary and OS/2 on D: logical
NT decided the first primary partition on the first hard disk was 
F: for some reason. (the reason is that NT is incredibly stupid) 
"Disk Administrator" in will you to change drive letter designations. 
It will also "write a signature to the hard disk" which terrified me, 
but it went okay.

If you ever do a fdisk /newmbr later that will trash NT's drive
letter designations, back into Disk Administrator you go.  

good luck

>
>
>-- 
>Fred


--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      02-Oct-99 12:58:22
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: FP12 - Results

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

GREAT!!! THANK YOU and props go to the IBM team.

Positives
=========

- WordPro save problem fixed

- WPS more stable (no more crashes when NS 4.61/Lotus SS apps is loaded)

- MMPM more stable, no more permanent input queue lockups when doing
  drag & drop operations onto some MMedia applications (eg. PM123)
  Input Queue just freezes for about ~ 5 secs now but then returns
  control. No need to reboot.
  No more crashes in MMPM.DLL either.

- File transfers which were randomly stopping for no reason with TVFS,
  Now working flawlessly. Just tested ~500mb of files being transfered
  via FTP, NETBEUI and HTTP simultaneously. Perfect!

All of the above were things that were really annoying me and now they're
fixed.

Negatives
=========

- Font display stuffed for Organizer tabs when using default font.
  Medium/Large fixes this.

  I'm not sure if it's Matrox 2.31.100 drivers or FP12.
  Could somebody w/o FP12 and 2.31 drivers confirm this?

So far so good, 59 processes, 240 threads and running smoothly for 15hrs. 
Xfree86 with Enlightenment/2 running in the background too with a couple of
ssh 
sessions of Netscape, Xemacs and Gimp 1.1.9 running natively. 

OS/2 is a phreaking good OS!

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                01-Oct-99 22:59:10
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> This is a very interesting comparison, Ron. However, I don't think it's
> a good one. OS/2 provides - even in its "comatic" state - me and lots of
> people with the possibility to run good software with great stability,
> i.e. it is still of great use and by no means comatose.

I think the problem is that OS/2 is being looked at from two
non-compatible perspectives and the two will never be identical, but
neither will either of them be wrong.

Perspective 1:  The manufacturer has a product that is no longer viable,
feels there are other ways to do things and some must be terminated and
others continue.  A lot like the terminally ill parent that at one time
had lots of vigor and was curious about all kinds of new things.

Many years ago IBM developed TOS (Tape Operating System), no hard disk,
system ran off a tape drive.  It worked, but it had a customer set
numbered in the single digits.  They killed it.

Sometime later IBM developed DOS (no, not PC DOS or MS DOS, DOS for
mainframes).  They installed a lot of them but other solutions came
along and the DOS customer set dwindled.  It went out of support, and I
believe now you would be hard-pressed to find it anywhere other than in
some nut's basement (yes, a mainframe in the basement).

IBM moved on and put their assets to work where they thought they could
realize the biggest customer set and business opportunity.

For the manufacturer, all of these things died (or were put to death).


Perspective II:  To the customer it may be more like the child.  It
functions for the customer, does its job superbly, perhaps doesn't have
the techical know-how of the latest graduated PhD, but is effective and
efficient, even if it hasn't been to the latest schools.  The kid is not
a genius, but compared to the rest of his class he is outstanding.  The
customer sat up nights with him, stayed with him from the beginning to
the end of every medical treatment (fix pack).  This is not a thing, it
is a person and a precocious one at that.  But the child is being
supported by Medicaid (social medicine).  


While he can perform a wide variety of tricks and services, they aren't
good enough for passers-by to throw coins in the hat... and the organ
grinder (that was perspective 1) decides that maybe instead of
performing monkeys he should go into Punch and Judy shows.

I think I pretty fairly and accurately depicted Perspective 1.  The
reason I picked Perspective 1 is that everyone else seems to be howling
about Perspective 2, essentially the traumatic loss of their child, and
how "they" (IBM) have plenty of money so they should continue to support
the monkey.  Easy to say when you are spending "their" money. 

> Can you compare
> that to a nearly dead person who is just lying in bed, surrounded by
> tons of machines and cables, unable to move?

Don't know about tons of machines and cables, maybe a little less, and
the lack of movement is the waning support for new products
(interfaces).  The people that make the products don't see the market
for OS/2 support, so they don't have any.  But from Perspective 2,
"They" can write the support since the gadget manufacturer won't.  You
wouldn't think much of the suggestion if YOU were THEY.

> And BTW, doesn't IBM still make money with WSeB, WSOD and Warp Client?

I suspect they do, if those are the three areas you look at.  I also
suspect they are getting bargain basement support from other OS/2 areas
that are in the red.  Of course, if they netted $(US)1 a year, you would
be correct in saying "they made money".  I think the real (corporate)
question is, "Do they see as much of a return on their investment in
OS/2 as in other successful business areas?"  I doubt it, because if
they did we wouldn't be having this conversation.  

Did they bring it on themselves with (partly) their lack of marketting
savvy, Probably... but so what.  That's like viewing the dead body and
arguing how the person died... starvation, asphyxiation, gunshot, knife
wound, when regardless of the answer, the person is dead and the only
intended action is to bury the body.

> Wasn't there a note saying IBM did make about 30% more money with OS/2
> last quarter or year than expected?

There is NO ONE in IBM that is going to OVER ESTIMATE Warp revenues, at
least not if he or she wants to be upwardly mobile in the corporation
(indeed, they don't even want to be tarred with the OS/2 brush).

But then again, maybe it wasn't $1.00 that they netted... maybe it was
$1.30!


Ron


PS  Before you think I am anti OS/2 you should know I use it now, I have
used it for years, and I will continue to use it until I am physically
or monetarily forced out of the business.  I detest Windows, and I
detest what MS has done to the software industry in general and I think
OS/2 in particular.

I regard OS/2 as my dead child (Perpective 2), but rationally I know
that it is not my child, I have only been lucky enough to know it and
share time with it.  I don't have to support it (or what little support
I do provide is for my own selfish interests).  IBM, on the other hand
owns it and supports it (maybe really poorly), but they do have legal
custody and responsibility.  And I know if I were the guardian
(Perspective 1) I would have to do what they ARE doing, I might even
have done it earlier.

One other thought, OS/2 is not comatose (perspective 2), but the market
for OS/2 is (perspective 1).

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From: fheitka@ibm.net                                   02-Oct-99 03:25:09
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: fheitka@ibm.net (F. Heitkamp)

In message <c1.01.2SNvY4$0AX@hamei.pacbell.net> - hamei@pacbell.net writes:
>
>In <37f55957_4@news1.prserv.net>, fheitka@ibm.net writes:
>
>>I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
>>OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
>>NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
>>letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
>>arrange drive letters based on the startable
>>or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?
>
>
>I had this same problem, except that i installed NT *first* 'cuz
>MS products are notoriously predatory. NT 4 was fine on C:, but
>after BeOS went on the other primary and OS/2 on D: logical
>NT decided the first primary partition on the first hard disk was 
>F: for some reason. (the reason is that NT is incredibly stupid) 
>"Disk Administrator" in will you to change drive letter designations. 
>It will also "write a signature to the hard disk" which terrified me, 
>but it went okay.
>
>If you ever do a fdisk /newmbr later that will trash NT's drive
>letter designations, back into Disk Administrator you go.  

Thanks. I will try disk administrator.  I also noticed something
else.  I have two SCSI controllers in my PC and NT orders them
"backwards" compared to OS/2, Linux, and evidently Windows 95.
i.e the controller that is listed as "0" in the other OSes is
"1" in NT and the "1" controller is "0".

Fred

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             02-Oct-99 03:28:06
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: jsjones@selectric.net

From GammaTech:

Maximum length, in bytes, of pathname:        260
Maximum number of text sessions:               16
Maximum number of PM sessions:                 16
Maximum number of DOS sessions:              1537

In <eDcSHHgdulIC-pn2-6dtVRjoWe6Rc@zamboni.stiscan.com>,
icedancer-zamboni@ibm-zamboni.net (Ken Walter) writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:16:02, jeffproe@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>Is there a limit on the number of os/2 full screens/windows/sessions you
>>can have open at one time.  I seem to run into a block at around 12 or
>>13.  Anybody else have this problem?
>>
>I think the limit is 15 but that may include the desktop
>and  some other standard sessions.
>That limit has been there from the beginning of OS/2.


selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               01-Oct-99 23:09:21
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 2 Oct 1999 02:28:20 GMT, John Hong wrote:

>: Even Star Office can't import you DeScribe documents.  I had
>
>	Lotus Word Pro 96 for OS/2 I know can read them, and I'll assume
>the 97 version can, too.  However, I believe the Describe filter for Word 
>Pro is strictly a OS/2 specific feature.  The Windows 95 version of Word 
>Pro 96 I know does not have a Describe filter.  But I guess the advantage 
>there is that you can then export it as a Word document.

Sorry to throw cold water your way - these conversion features do not work
very well except for VERY simple documents.

DeScibe is like drug - once you get into it, it's hard to pull away.    Very
sad but I wouldn't use it (as much as I love to).    Start with SO, it's
supported.


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From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com                              02-Oct-99 05:29:12
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Is Object Desktop 2.0 upgrade worth it?

From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com (Ron Blatt)

	I currently have Warp 4 with OD 1.5.  I mainly use the folder
enhancements, Object Navigator, shading windows and zip file folders.
I have no use for the Control Center or Tab Launch Pad (I think Warp
Center does a much cleaner job for that). So, my question is, is there
anything that great in 2.0 that deserves a $40 upgrade? Is it more
stable? Thanks for any advice

Ron Blatt
-------------------------
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied 
them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with 
computers, and nobody thinks of complaining."
--Jeff Raskin

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                01-Oct-99 23:02:26
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

Yep, does run slow on my 400 mhz PII with 64 mb.  However, there is no real
alternative with all the functionality.  Does everything MS Office products
do, plus more.  File compatibility is good, and once its running, the slow
down isn't too bad.  Heck, for under $10, why complain too loudly, right?
Go for it.  You get Win32, OS/2, Solaris, and Linux verions all on one CD.
Not a bad deal for a COMPLETE office solution with true multiplatform
support!

Ezra

Doug Bissett wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:13:11, szrob@ns.net (John Roberts) wrote:
>
> >   Just saw a posting on Sun's web page and saw Staroffice for sale for
> > 6.95.  Actually the cd comes with three or four ports of the program.
> > Is this collection of things worth getting for OS2?  I seem to
> > remember reading in the Linux groups that Staroffice ran slowly.
> > Might be wrong though.
> > Any comments?
>
> My experience, with StarOffice, is that it loves memory (I would guess
> you need at least 64 meg) and CPU cycles (runs pretty good on my P200,
> but it does slow down sometimes). The biggest problem that I have with
> the program, is with the HELP, or lack of help. I have found that
> SO5.1 will do almost anything I want it to do, but, sometimes, it
> takes a LOT of fooling around just to find out HOW to do what I want.



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From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com                              02-Oct-99 06:04:14
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 02:50:14
Subj: RSU blues

From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com (Ron Blatt)

I've tried unsuccesfully to install every single fixpak starting from
#8 for Warp 4 using RSUINST.EXE. Each and every time I've resorted to
installing them manually. Once again with FP 12 I've hit a wall.
RSUINST.EXE starts, downloades CSF 1.41, tries to unzip it without
success, then tries to run ftpinstl.exe. The screen blinks into text
mode for a split second, and RSUINST.EXE then closes. If I unzip CSF
manually, the same thing happens. I've definately downloaded the
latest version of RSUINST, along with the dll and unzip.exe. Can some
one help me out?

Ron Blatt
-------------------------
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied 
them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with 
computers, and nobody thinks of complaining."
--Jeff Raskin

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               01-Oct-99 23:35:05
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 05:14:14
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:19:19 GMT, Ken Walter wrote:

>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:16:02, jeffproe@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>Is there a limit on the number of os/2 full screens/windows/sessions you
>>can have open at one time.  I seem to run into a block at around 12 or
>>13.  Anybody else have this problem?
>>
>I think the limit is 15 but that may include the desktop
>and  some other standard sessions.
>That limit has been there from the beginning of OS/2.
>

I just tried in Aurora and went all the way to 24+ sessions and have no
problem.   May be that's just Warp 4 limit.




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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 09:52:13
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 10:13:22
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Kim Cheung (kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com) wrote:

: >	Lotus Word Pro 96 for OS/2 I know can read them, and I'll assume
: >the 97 version can, too.  However, I believe the Describe filter for Word 
: >Pro is strictly a OS/2 specific feature.  The Windows 95 version of Word 
: >Pro 96 I know does not have a Describe filter.  But I guess the advantage 
: >there is that you can then export it as a Word document.

: Sorry to throw cold water your way - these conversion features do not work
: very well except for VERY simple documents.

	Can you blame them?  Especially considering that Describe I don't 
believe *ever* published their file formatting much like IBM Works...

: DeScibe is like drug - once you get into it, it's hard to pull away.    Very
: sad but I wouldn't use it (as much as I love to).    Start with SO, it's
: supported.

	StarOffice?  You must be joking...on a AMD 5x86-133mhz with 16 MB 
of RAM, StarOffice is a pretty lousy pick.  Lotus Word Pro 96, while a 
little better is still slow on my machine.  Besides, I wanted to get  
lighter...not heavier in features.  What I wanted was something that I 
could use on both ends, OS/2 and Windows 95.  Only one fits that, that 
would suit is Describe.  Only other options would've been StarOffice as 
you had already suggested, Lotus Word Pro 96, and WordPerfect 5.2.  First 
two are simply too resource hungry for my liking, especially considering 
I'll be looking to create 20-30 page term papers with embedded graphics 
for this semester.  With StarOffice or Word Pro 96, that ain't gonna be 
pretty on my slim machine.  With WordPerfect 5.2, I've heard conflicting 
reports about its quality...one too many horror stories regarding it for 
me to look at it seriously.  As well I have WordPerfect 8 for Win95, but I'd 
rather keep that off this machine since it is also a little slow.
	So, the only answer was Describe in my situation.  The idea was 
so that no matter on what platform I was on (either OS/2 or Windows 95) 
that I could work on the same document without any messing around with 
the formatting.  I think Describe should fit the bill quite nicely.  I 
find myself playing games and surfing the web on Windows 95 a lot now, 
whereas with OS/2 I mainly do the word processing and downloading with 
wget and reading the Usenet and email.

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From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk                           02-Oct-99 08:39:22
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 10:13:22
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: engs0011@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)

My last machine ran Warp 3. It would only accept 64MB on the board - if I
put 96MB in it would sit there, endlessly rebooting. If I chose to boot
DOS instead it would run quite happily, and see the full 96MB.

Ian

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From: Brian@webone.com.au                               02-Oct-99 21:19:11
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 10:13:22
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: Brian@webone.com.au

Just noticed this line myself, probably because I run all HPFS except
1 logical drive. This message only occurs on this drive which is FAT.
Brian

In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-FPBqNFJYd7pd@POBLANO>, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)
writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:30:34, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>
>> l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:
>> 
>> >You mean some partitions have 0 bad blocks, and others have no bad blocks  
at
>> >all?
>> 
>> See below.
>> 
>> >> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
>> >> >
>> >> > 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>> >> >
>> >> > On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody
know why?
>> 
>> Jim L
>> Remove XX from address to Email
>> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
>
>Ah.
>
>Now it's much clearer.
>
>
>-------------
>Stan Goodman
>Qiryat Tiv'on
>Israel
>
>Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
>me. Sorry.
>Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
>

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         02-Oct-99 09:16:18
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 12:27:03
Subj: Re: "Update" from IBM regarding OS/2

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On 28 Sep 1999 15:39:37 PDT, Cityboy@Spam-No-More.Net wrote:

>>The text doesn't say much, but being ever curious, I brought up the PDF
>>version, which has a lot more detail. Maybe you'll be interested in the
>>following updates to the "dead" OS/2 :)
>
>>=> TCP/IP Updates. Again. Available 1Q2000
>>=> Websphere v3: Includes support for Domino V5, XML Document Structure
>>Services, etc/. Available 3Q2000
>>=> Web Browser for OS/2: I can only read this as a new/updated
>>Netscape. Available 2H2000
>>=> Java update to Java 2. Available 2H2000.
>>=> Universal Data File (UDF) System: "UDF is a file system that will
>>allow OS/2 to have read data only support for DVD's." Available 1Q2000
>
>BUT...it's ONLY available to you if you pay for a subscription to Software
>Choice. What does that cost? Pretty much does it in for we home users
>doesn't it?
>
Not if you're prepared to pay to support the product. After all, if IBM
get a million home users subscribing then they are morally obliged to
provide us with something, and it demonstrates a commitment from the
user base that they may find it hard to ignore.

Perhaps they'll find out that OS/2 is not dead after all.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Cricket: old English traditional variant of the rain dance.


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From: Frank@get-lost.spam                               02-Oct-99 15:46:23
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: Why blame IBM?

From: Frank@get-lost.spam (Frank)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:12:37, rjf@yyycomasia.com (rj friedman) wrote:

> It would be funny, if it weren't so ludicrous, the way so 
> many are fuming and venting, rushing to blame IBM for the 
> Stardock/Warp5 fiasco. Has it not occurred to anyone that 
> the reason Stardock was turned down was because they were 
> not able to come up with a sufficiently convincing business 
> plan that would persuade IBM it was worth their while to 
> entrust OS/2 to Stardock?


Entrust ??

Would one be so peculiar when your child is ill, you're not doing 
anything, or you're not able to do anything, or
you don't give a toss  whether if it gets well or not because you 
already got an older kid who does the job for you, about the hospital 
you'll get treatment or at least help ??

This all sounds very primitive to me and even worse : we, the clients,
will have to take our losses.


The box said:"Requires Windows 95/98, NT or better" .......... So I 
too installed OS/2.


Reply per Email to franklyware@-NOSPAM-beer.com

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            02-Oct-99 14:45:16
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <Z8vLRdP7nz3N-pn2-0LUhyydFVYGM@sphericalburn.tampabay.rr.com>,
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly) writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:02:35, Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net> a crit 
>dans un message:
>


>> > Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
>> > Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
>> > in the OS/2 camp for some time?
>> 
>> I don't know where Paul Schindler has been camping but it had better not
>> be close to Esther's house or her husband Bill might get just a bit
>> angry.
>
>Maybe that's what caused Schindler's list?

           Is the practical definition of oblique
           or just another form of punishment?  Chuckle..

>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly



--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com                              02-Oct-99 13:58:05
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Netscape 4.61 draws multiple tables very slow

From: Cygnus@unimatrix.com (Ron Blatt)

	I've found that when there are numerous tables on a web page, it
takes the newest Netscape an ungodly amount of time to draw them. You
can see this at Yahoo, but I've seen the problem a lot worse on other
sites. I don't remember this happening in other versions. Is anyone
else getting this?

Ron
-------------------------
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied 
them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with 
computers, and nobody thinks of complaining."
--Jeff Raskin

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                02-Oct-99 09:19:20
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: No more free Software Choice? 

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> I, too, would like SMP included in a client? Why? I'd rather double up
> my obsolete PPro processor for under $100 to get 400-500mhz performance
> and throw money at IBM than pay $500+ for new MB, 500mhz processor and
> new memory.
> 
> Can IBM shareholders complain that I'd rather send money IBM's way
> because of the return to equity (different definition) in OS/2 than send
> my $$$ to competitor Intel?
> 

IBM shareholders would love it that you would send money to IBM rather
than to Intel.

IBM shareholders would hate any IBM management that provided this
product/service to you and did not realize an acceptable return on the
investment for that product.

Find 20,000,000 other people to sign up for the same product... and I
think you have a viable customer-set!

Ron

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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              02-Oct-99 15:33:29
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

Also with the installation of 1 x 128MB or 2 x 64 MB or 1 x 64MB and 2 x
32MB or 3 x  32MB OS/2 only 64 MB detects 128 MB. All possible modifications
in the BIOS did not bring modification!

                      Who knows advice?

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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         02-Oct-99 15:46:01
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: Memory Leak

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:51:00 -0400, Ken Anderson wrote:

>Does OS/2 have memory leaks. I use it at work and I leave my machine on
>with the programs I usually run.  After being on for two weeks I tried
>to open Communicator and it didn't finish opening, I only saw the top of
>the window frame.  I closed my other apps (Approach, StarOffice) and
>then it opened all the way.  I checked me memory meter and it said 33mb
>free.  I closed everything but IRC and I had 41mb free.  When I restart
>the computer I have about 95mb free.  I'm missing about 50mb of RAM.  Is
>there any logical reason for this or do I just reboot and live with it?
>
Not usually - I have a machine which regularly runs 40-50 days at a
time. It may well run longer but that's about how long it manages
without me wanting to fiddle with the hardware or the mains power
dipping out, it seems. Currently on day 7 of the latest cycle.



Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
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From: noone@llondel.demon.co.uk                         02-Oct-99 15:34:16
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk>

On 01 Oct 1999 23:35:11 PDT, Kim Cheung wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:19:19 GMT, Ken Walter wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:16:02, jeffproe@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>>Is there a limit on the number of os/2 full screens/windows/sessions you
>>>can have open at one time.  I seem to run into a block at around 12 or
>>>13.  Anybody else have this problem?
>>>
>>I think the limit is 15 but that may include the desktop
>>and  some other standard sessions.
>>That limit has been there from the beginning of OS/2.
>>
>
>I just tried in Aurora and went all the way to 24+ sessions and have no
>problem.   May be that's just Warp 4 limit.
>
I just opened a load of OS/2 command prompts which, when I got bored
doing it, amounted to 24 and that's on Warp 4.


Dave
-- 
mail dav e@llondel.demon.co.uk
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Cricket: old English traditional variant of the rain dance.


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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      03-Oct-99 01:42:08
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 14:10:00
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:40:39, mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:

> 
> There is what appears to be a brand new release of the OS/2 drivers at
> the Matrox site datad September 28, 1999.  We had a brand new AGP400
> Matrox card that smashed on a tape clone rebuild-the-box test of BA/2
> when we tried to plug in later models of various things for the rebuild.
>  
> The new drivers for September 28, 1999, fixed the Matrox problem and no
> more smash during the CONFIG.SYS run with the AGP400 card in the box.

2.31.100 are the 28/09/1999 drivers :)



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 17:49:01
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 16:33:10
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Rod Smith (rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net) wrote:

: DeScribe will change the formatting of documents when you switch from one
: platform to another, though, because of differences in printer drivers and
: font handling.  This isn't likely to be a big deal for term papers and
: whatnot (you'll just get a different number of pages, page breaks in
: different locations, and so on), but it might be if precise layout is
: critical.

	Thanks for the tip.  It shouldn't be too big of a deal since it 
is the same printer being used on both platforms...  Plus I tend to stick 
with the basic fonts for work (ie. Courier or Times New Roman).  Courier 
if I can't write enough and Times New Roman in case I write too much. ;-)


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 17:45:25
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 16:33:10
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Esther Schindler (esther@bitranch.com) wrote:
: Thanks for the kind words about the manual. (I wrote about a third of 
: it.) <grin>

	You're welcome!

: I also agree with the other comment about it being nearly impossible 
: to pry oneself away from Describe... I have, and have used, just about
: every word processor out there, and I *still* come back to Describe. 
: It's fast, which is important to me when the muse starts dictating 
: words in my head.

	Exactly!  Once word processors got to the level of Word 6 and 
WordPerfect 6 in features (or even WordPerfect 5.1 for that matter), its 
been downhill since, IMO.  Describe 5 is on that level which is just 
perfect for me.

: I never used DeScribe on a Windows system, so I can't help with the 
: resolution issues. One gotcha to watch out for, though: Describe's RTF
: import works fine with files that are saved as RTF from Word95, but in
: my experience it barfs on RTF files generated from Word97. I don't 
: know why it's that way, but if you encounter the problem at least 
: you'll recognize it.

	To anyone that didn't know RTF is a Microsoft format and they 
have changed it a few times so that is probably the reason.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               02-Oct-99 16:39:16
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 16:33:10
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:22:33, jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs) 
wrote:

| Where's Esther Schindler's similar article in PCMag, which 
| issue?  Is it up in a url?

I'm not sure which article you're referring to, Joe. I suspect that 
you're thinking of my article from the last OS/2 Magazine...? The one 
in which I stated that Microsoft's major contribution to the computer 
industry was the degree to which they've lowered user expectations?

In any case, I'd guess that you could find most of my PC Magazine (and
Computer Shopper) articles online from searching at 
http://www.zdnet.com... though I think our search engine suc^H^H^H 
isn't nearly as good as it ought to be. (When I *know* I wrote an 
article 3 weeks ago, and *I* can't find it... oh, well, that's another
rant.)

--Esther


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From: kris@dgraph.com                                   02-Oct-99 13:22:28
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:17
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com>

Probably a version of Joliet that OS/2 doesn't understand. Are the file
names truncated?

"A. Willard Reese" wrote:
> 
> My problem is this:
>         I have just got my ISP, who is local, to burn my website on a
> cdrom.  It was done
> on a Win98 machine and works fine on my machine when running WIN95 and
> Win98
> ver of Netscape. However,
>     When I try to run it in OS2 by bringing up the cdrom directory and
> clicking on
> index.html, Netscape 4.61 opens OK and the home page is shown. When I
> click on jpeg
> links on the home page they also open OK.  When I try to open an .HTML
> link, I get an
> error message "Can't find J:\xxxxx.html".  This is true of all html's,
> J is my cdrom drive
> in OS2.
>     Why can't Netscape in OS2 find the files when Windows95 can. E is
> my cdrom
> drive in Win95. J is my cdrom drive in OS2.
>     I've tried a dozen different things but nothing seems to work.
> Got any ideas?
> Regards,
> Willard

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              02-Oct-99 18:33:17
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

My problem is this:
        I have just got my ISP, who is local, to burn my website on a
cdrom.  It was done 
on a Win98 machine and works fine on my machine when running WIN95 and
Win98 
ver of Netscape. However,
    When I try to run it in OS2 by bringing up the cdrom directory and
clicking on 
index.html, Netscape 4.61 opens OK and the home page is shown. When I
click on jpeg 
links on the home page they also open OK.  When I try to open an .HTML
link, I get an 
error message "Can't find J:\xxxxx.html".  This is true of all html's,
J is my cdrom drive 
in OS2.
    Why can't Netscape in OS2 find the files when Windows95 can. E is
my cdrom 
drive in Win95. J is my cdrom drive in OS2.
    I've tried a dozen different things but nothing seems to work. 
Got any ideas?
Regards,
Willard




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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    30-Sep-99 18:45:19
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: Give us software choice

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <37F379EC.4DCF4783@powertech.no>,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:
>
>The problems with Netscape Communicator does not stem from porting.
>They are caused by a fundamentally flawed design. Communicator doesnotwork
well on
>anyplatform.

Remember back when the Internet was "new" (to 99% of the current
users)?? AT that time, netscape *WAS* the standard. And Netscape *SET*
the standard.

Now ... who are you going to blame for Netscape not working well on
*any* platform????



>What we really need, is a decent non-American browser. Ideally, IBM should
relocate
>their Netscape effort to a country which does not have stupid export
regulations
>and develop a new encryption module from scratch. US made encryption software 
is,
>generally speaking, worthless for most users since only the few in US and
Canada
>are allowed to get it. Besides, the US is not exactly at the cutting edge in
>encryption technology in the first place. This may of course be because of
the
>export restrictions, which encourage those with good ideas to develop them in 
other
>countries.

Well ... actually, yes ... the US *is* on the cutting edge of
Encryption Technology .... you just don't get to see it or use it.

FWIW, President Clinton has ordered that Export Restrictions on
Software Encryption be "relaxed". That is to say .... that the laws
governing export of high-bit (128) encryption *not* be enforced, and
allow Software Developers to export their products with  high-bit
(128) Encryption out of North America.



--
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*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    02-Oct-99 09:28:01
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article
<C6C2D3128B13E8A6.98C83EBFAF94E3E0.47A5E5F4E79DC8A6@lp.airnews.net>,
Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
>Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
>in the OS/2 camp for some time?

Nope .... you're thinking of Bill Schindler.

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*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            02-Oct-99 14:40:19
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <flfedpjJLvGI-pn2-DGzeyeWwXj5e@fenner50.anu.edu.au>,
mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof) writes:
>GREAT!!! THANK YOU and props go to the IBM team.


>- Font display stuffed for Organizer tabs when using default font.
>  Medium/Large fixes this.
>
>  I'm not sure if it's Matrox 2.31.100 drivers or FP12.
>  Could somebody w/o FP12 and 2.31 drivers confirm this?

There is what appears to be a brand new release of the OS/2 drivers at
the Matrox site datad September 28, 1999.  We had a brand new AGP400
Matrox card that smashed on a tape clone rebuild-the-box test of BA/2
when we tried to plug in later models of various things for the rebuild.

The new drivers for September 28, 1999, fixed the Matrox problem and no
more smash during the CONFIG.SYS run with the AGP400 card in the box.

Maybe this will help you.


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                02-Oct-99 10:55:19
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: Give us software choice

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> Now ... who are you going to blame for Netscape not working well on
> *any* platform????
> 
Next thing you know, somebody is going to want some common language that
can be compiled/execute on any platform, from the same source.  Then
everyone can share the same problems.  :-) 
 
> Well ... actually, yes ... the US *is* on the cutting edge of
> Encryption Technology .... you just don't get to see it or use it.
> 
> FWIW, President Clinton has ordered that Export Restrictions on
> Software Encryption be "relaxed". That is to say .... that the laws
> governing export of high-bit (128) encryption *not* be enforced, and
> allow Software Developers to export their products with  high-bit
> (128) Encryption out of North America.
> 

It's still unclear how they are going to implement this.  The commerce
dept or someone has to examine the product and approve it for export. 
What is unclear from their wording, is if it is one approval for one
product... or (ugh) one approval for one (foreign) customer.  They
should play with the regulations long enough to put us out of the
business.

Ron

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From: sirish@ihug.com.au                                03-Oct-99 04:38:24
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: StarOffice 5.1 Download woes

From: Stan Irish <sirish@ihug.com.au>

Anyone know of an FTP site to download this product from?  Have made 6
attempts to http download from the Sun site - all
died part way through. At least with a good FTP tool, the transfer could be
"resumed".
--
Stan

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      02-Oct-99 17:20:19
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Duncan Munro [via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/] ->
comp.os.os2.misc:

Inserting some small corrections here (even if I agree 100% with you that OS/2
and IBM's software choice price isn't too high for it's product and market).

 Well consider that the windozers have been forced to go from win95 to
 win95b to win98 to win98b 

That's not anything available (or even needed) for end users. No such upgrades
even exists at all AFAIK (I'm no expert on Win 9x I admit). They are strict
OEM released who targeted to support new hardware in new machines AFAIK.

  and now to win2000 it seems like we are

Even if you may be mistaken by it's new name sounding like a new version or
upgrade of Windows 98 (I agree it's very easy to assume that if you don't know
about it), Windows 2000 is what used to be called, previously to it's Beta 3
release, Windows NT 5.0. 

For more info: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/professional/beta/

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                02-Oct-99 11:23:14
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

I have no FAT partitions at all on the drive where the line appears.

Brian@webone.com.au said:
>Just noticed this line myself, probably because I run all HPFS except 1
logical
>drive. This message only occurs on this drive which is FAT. Brian

>In <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-FPBqNFJYd7pd@POBLANO>, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)
>writes: >On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:30:34, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>>
>>> l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) said:
>>> 
>>> >You mean some partitions have 0 bad blocks, and others have no bad blocks 
 at
>>> >all?
>>> 
>>> See below.
>>> 
>>> >> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> > On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody 
know why?
>>> 
>>> Jim L
>>> Remove XX from address to Email
>>> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
>>
>>Ah.
>>
>>Now it's much clearer.
>>
>>
>>-------------
>>Stan Goodman
>>Qiryat Tiv'on
>>Israel
>>
>>Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
>>me. Sorry.
>>Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>>
>>

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                02-Oct-99 11:25:25
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: RSU blues

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Cygnus@unimatrix.com (Ron Blatt) said:

>I've tried unsuccesfully to install every single fixpak starting from #8 for
>Warp 4 using RSUINST.EXE. Each and every time I've resorted to installing
them
>manually. Once again with FP 12 I've hit a wall.
>RSUINST.EXE starts, downloades CSF 1.41, tries to unzip it without success,
>then tries to run ftpinstl.exe. The screen blinks into text mode for a split
>second, and RSUINST.EXE then closes. If I unzip CSF manually, the same thing
>happens. I've definately downloaded the latest version of RSUINST, along with
>the dll and unzip.exe. Can some one help me out?

I had this problem.  Turned out to be I had more than one copy of RSUINST.EXE
on
the system.  Don't know for sure why that is a problem, but when I removed all
but the one in \tcpip\bin\ on my boot partition all my problems stopped until
I
ran into the ZIP problem that requires version 5.32 or older if you're using
InfoZIP.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: sirish@ihug.com.au                                03-Oct-99 04:45:28
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: Stan Irish <sirish@ihug.com.au>

Have one nasty problem which is still not fixed in FP12.  Occasionally when I
move the pointer to quickly or when a new
window pops up in the top left corner, the system locks up - not even
CTRL-ALT-NUMLK-NUMLK can break into it - time for
the reset button.   The problem seems only to happen when Netscape is running
(has happened since applying FP5 and is
still there after each successive FP). The problem has happened with Netscape
4.04 (several releases) and the new
Netscape 4.61.   Am running LAN Server 4.0 on Warp 4 - when I kill LAN Server
and Requester, I can't reproduce the
problem.

This may be a video driver problem, but it has happened on Tseng Labs
ET4000w32i and Cirrus Logic adapters in the same
machine.



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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     02-Oct-99 17:57:27
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Installing fixpacks greater than FP40 on Warp3 systems

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

I found this on OS/2 Shareware BBS and thought
someone might find it useful. I have no need for
it since I'm using Warp4 so I have not tried this.
If you have trouble with word wrapping:
	1. Don't bitch to me
	2. Download it yourself
	3. Email me and I'll send the file
	    to you as an attachment.

As usual the standard disclaimers apply:
YMMV
My personal favorite **if it ain't broke don't freak'n fix it**
===========================================
/*

B.cmd 1.0
---------


What version of OS/2 is this for?
---------------------------------
This script will run on ANY OS/2 system. However, it is intended for Warp 
3.0
Blue Spine. The reason for the Blue Spine requirement is that there are 
updates
made to winos2 that MAY or MAY NOT work correctly on the Red Spine 
distribution
and REAL windows 3.1.


Now, if you have a Warp 3.0 Red Spine installation and you DON'T use 
WinOS2,
then you can go ahead and use this without problems...


What it does:
-------------
This rexx script patches the OS/2 system files syslevel.os2 and 
syslevel.mpm to
allow the application of FixPaks greater than #40. These two files are 
located
at: \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2 and \MMOS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.MPM. These are 
the
ONLY two files that this script touches and before it does, backups of the
originals are made to: \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2.BACKUP and
\MMOS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.MPM.BACKUP


How it does it:
---------------
By patching these two files, the CSF installer is fooled into thinking that
the
target system is a LanServer 4.0 installation.


Should I use this rexx script?
------------------------------
Use TOTALLY on your on decision. I don't support this is ANY WAY, SHAPE or
MANNER than a very big, smiley... GOOD LUCK, BUB!


How often do I need to run this thing...
----------------------------------------
Only once! Just before applying any of the fixpaks greater than #40. For 
the
totally stupid... this means fixpak #41 or higher...


How do I do it?
---------------
Run this script from the command line, with the argument "COOL", on your 
OS/2
BOOT hard drive. If no errors pop up, then it worked!

The actual command looks like: B cool

*/

  '@echo off'

  parse arg stuff .

  stuff=translate(stuff)

  if stuff \= 'COOL' then do
    say'Before you can actually run his script, you MUST read the comments 
inside'
    say'of it.'
    exit 1
    end /* if */

  os2dir='\os2\install\'
  os2="SYSLEVEL                      %    0  XR03005_XR03005_IBM OS/2
Base Operating System                                                  
562274700 0S             "
  mpmdir='\mmos2\install\'
  mpm="SYSLEVEL                      %    0  XR03005_XR03005_IBM 
Multimedia Presentation Manager/2                                          
562274700 0S             "

/* fix os2 */

  filename='syslevel.os2'

  if stream(os2dir||filename,'c','query exists')='' then do
    say''
    say'Can not find '||filename||', patch not applied!'
    say''
    exit 1
    end */ if */

  say'Found '||filename

/* if it's never been done, make a backup of the original file */

  if stream(os2dir||filename'.backup','c','query exists') ='' then do
    'copy '||os2dir||filename||' '||os2dir||filename||'.backup 1>nul'
    say'Made backup of original '||filename||' to '||filename||'.back.'
    end /* if */

/* make the file accessable */

  'attrib -r '||os2dir||filename||' 1>nul'
  say'Removed read restriction from '||filename

/* use charout instead of lineout... we don't want CRLF's in these files! 
*/

  call charout os2dir||filename, os2, 1
  call stream  os2dir||filename,'c','close'
  say'Applied patch to '||filename

/* fix mpm */

  filename='syslevel.mpm'

  if stream(mpmdir||filename,'c','query exists') ='' then do
    say''
    say'Can not find '||filename||', patch not applied!'
    say''
    exit 1
    end

  say''
  say'Found '||filename

/* if it's never been done, make a backup of the original file */

  if stream(mpmdir||filename||'.backup','c','query exists') ='' then do
    'copy '||mpmdir||filename||' '||mpmdir||filename||'.backup 1>nul'
    say'Made backup of original '||filename||' to '||filename||'.back.'
    end

/* make the file accessable */

  'attrib -r '||mpmdir||filename||' 1>nul'
  say'Removed read restriction from '||filename

/* use charout instead of lineout... we don't want CRLF's in these files! 
*/

  call charout mpmdir||filename, mpm, 1
  call stream  mpmdir||filename,'c','close'
  say'Applied patch to '||filename
  say''

  say'All done and ready to apply fixpaks greater than #40'
  say''
==============================================
Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              02-Oct-99 11:10:09
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" wrote:
> I just opened a load of OS/2 command prompts which, when I got bored
> doing it, amounted to 24 and that's on Warp 4.

You can open dozens of *windowed* OS/2 command lines,they don't take a
session of their own. You can only have 16 sessions: one is taken by
PM/WPS, leaving 15 for fullscreen OS/2.

Graham.

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               02-Oct-99 12:54:09
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: Can't open enough os/2 sessions

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:10:19 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:

>"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" wrote:
>> I just opened a load of OS/2 command prompts which, when I got bored
>> doing it, amounted to 24 and that's on Warp 4.
>
>You can open dozens of *windowed* OS/2 command lines,they don't take a
>session of their own. You can only have 16 sessions: one is taken by
>PM/WPS, leaving 15 for fullscreen OS/2.
>
>Graham.

Okay.  Now that's clear.  Yes, OS/2 does impose a limit on "sessions" - OS/2
fullscreen or not.    Sessions are pretty expensive.    No so much a problem
with "tasks".



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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           02-Oct-99 16:49:23
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

I just replaced my old toshiba ide cdrom with a new toshiba ide
dvd-cdrom ( SD-M1202x/SD-M1212x).

I know that the dvd part is useless under WARP but I was under the
impression that the cdrom part would work. Any way to get WARP to
recognize the new toshiba as a plain cdrom?

TIA.

Robert,

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 02-Oct-99 17:56:29
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>Richard Steiner wrote:
>
>> Now that I have Communicator 4.61, why should I be concerned that some
>> unwanted add-ons are becoming non-free?
>
>Maybe because today Netscape 4.7 is current on other platforms, and by
>this time next year, even 4.7 is likely to struggle with some of the
>fancy enhancments on some (otherwise useful) web sites. You'll have to
>pay IBM $209 just for Netscape 4.7 ... if they ever do it.

Have to?  I disagree, mainly because the chances are fairly low to zero
that the sites I visit via OS/2 will care about the differences between
4.61 and 4.7.  Or 4.8.  Most software/news sites and IT publications
aren't all that "cutting edge" in that regard.

When I surf to fancy Windows gaming sites here at home, I usually use
Communicator in Windows because I want to play the demos or whatever in
Windows, so they're a nonfactor as well.

I acknowledge that your requirements might be different.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
         The perfect pun results in the death of its perpetrator.

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           02-Oct-99 17:34:17
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Ian Johnston wrote:
> 
> My last machine ran Warp 3. It would only accept 64MB on the board - if I
> put 96MB in it would sit there, endlessly rebooting. If I chose to boot
> DOS instead it would run quite happily, and see the full 96MB.
> 
> Ian

You sure? DOS usually tops out at seeing only 640KB! It is only through
EMS or XMS that it can hear about anything more, but DOS itself only
"sees" 640 KB.
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Further, the use of the term "spam" should in no way be construed
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From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void                      02-Oct-99 00:49:20
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: Tell me this can't BE

From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman)

On 10/01/99 at 05:24 PM, lifedata@xxvol.com said:

>In a release of Injoy Dialer I found this.

> * InJoy Basic versions 1.x and earlier expire with this release and
>   need to be re-registered.

>Tell me they can't do that!!!

If I understand their policy correctly, registration of Injoy "basic" 1.x
was good for all updates through 2.0.  Likewise, in their registration
docs for 2.x is the following update policy:

" "Extended" and "Professional" registrations entitles you to free
upgrades for life. Basic and SOHO registrations entitle you to free
upgrades up to v3.0 (not incl. - expected around year 2001)."

There is certainly precedent for this type of policy.  As an example,
registration of ZOC 2.x was valid for all updates through 3.x, which
required an "upgrade" re-registration.  

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Sander Nyman"<sanco@jps.net>
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: judithr9@earthlink.net                            02-Oct-99 10:15:03
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 21:37:18
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: judithr9@earthlink.net

Hi,

I downloaded, then bought the CD. It appears to be free for the
download and incredibly close to free for the CD version with all
the different OSes supported.  

Which I find difficult to believe. 
Are they really 'giving this away?'  Is there a catch -- other than
the documentation?  If free, Why? 

It's a very good group of programs.  It seems to do what I need and
then some with a small footprint on the hard drive.  It does load
slowly, but then runs rapidly (PIII-500 with 128MB RAM) and I assume
the slow loading is due to all the pieces being loaded. 


>Yep, does run slow on my 400 mhz PII with 64 mb.  However, there is
>no real alternative with all the functionality.  Does everything MS
>Office products do, plus more.  File compatibility is good, and
>once its running, the slow down isn't too bad.  Heck, for under
>$10, why complain too loudly, right? Go for it.  You get Win32,
>OS/2, Solaris, and Linux verions all on one CD. Not a bad deal for
>a COMPLETE office solution with true multiplatform support!

Judith Russell       
judithr@primenet.com                    
Saugus Web Coordinator
http://www.hart.k12.ca.us/saugus



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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           02-Oct-99 17:17:03
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Jim Stuyck wrote:
> 
> "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:
> 
> > Frank McKenney wrote:
> > >
> > > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> > > >Frank McKenney wrote:
> >
> > [***SNIP!!!***]
> >
> > >
> > > Well, now that you mention it...
> > >
> > > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> > > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> > > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
> > > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
> > > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
> 
> Sounds like someone forgot to punch a hole in his carriage control
> tape, or screwed up gluing it together and it came apart!  ;-)
> (I go waaaay back, too.  Been there, done that.)
> 
> > I remember those - in fact, I've seen a program that could take images
> > in a couple of different formats (seems to me they were pcx and
> > MacPaint), and convert them to text images. And I remember full well the
> > 1403 and related line printers - faster than your average laser printer
> > at pumping out pages of stuff.
> 
> No 1403-N1 could (or can) hold a candle to, say, an IBM 3800 which is
> a laser machine that uses cut paper, unlike the fanfold of the 1403.  And
> the 3800 has been around for a looooong time.
> 
> Where have you been?  ;-)
> 
> Jim Stuyck

Sorry - meant the everyday SOHO laser printers. Mind you, I think the
3800 was after my experiences with the 1403. I do remember a non-IBM
printer called a Photon, which used lenses, daisy wheels and toner to
produce scalable fonts and xerographic printing, and the first
legitimate laser printers I dealt with were the Imagen and the early
Xerox products - both of which tended to run at 4 or so ppm if lucky.

But I've seen what you refer to: laser printers that run at a speed that
to the eye approaches that of a printing press. I have also seen the
invoice for that type of printer - outta my budget! ;)
-- 

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Further, the use of the term "spam" should in no way be construed
to imply the support or involvement of Hormel Foods in conjunction
with such Internet abuse. Indeed, Hormel has publicly expressed
its disapproval of such actions.

SPAM  is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods for luncheon meat 
and is a damn fine product at that. The author of this signature
attachment has no legal, commercial or financial involvement with 
Hormel; rather, is active in the fields of copyright, trademark,
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From: esther@bitranch.com                               02-Oct-99 16:19:25
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Thanks for the kind words about the manual. (I wrote about a third of 
it.) <grin>

I also agree with the other comment about it being nearly impossible 
to pry oneself away from Describe... I have, and have used, just about
every word processor out there, and I *still* come back to Describe. 
It's fast, which is important to me when the muse starts dictating 
words in my head.

I never used DeScribe on a Windows system, so I can't help with the 
resolution issues. One gotcha to watch out for, though: Describe's RTF
import works fine with files that are saved as RTF from Word95, but in
my experience it barfs on RTF files generated from Word97. I don't 
know why it's that way, but if you encounter the problem at least 
you'll recognize it.

--Esther

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:58:31, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

| 	Okay, just got Describe in the mail today (thanks Paul).  Damn 
| that's a good manual...  Anyways, I have it installed in all forms.  OS/2 
| version, Win3.1 version (Win-OS/2), and also on my Windows 95 partition.  
| Everything seems to work fine except on the Windows 95 side.  Apparently, 
| each time I start it, it gives me this error message "...screen...".  I 
| didn't write it down in detail, but suffice to say it was the number of 
| colors displayed.  Apparently Describe Win32 does not like having 65k 
| colors (High color - 16bit), nor does it like True Color - 32bit so that 
| leaves me with a crummy 256 colors.  Don't know if the resolution matters
| any (set at 800x600 currently).  Does this "Frequent Flier CDROM" update 
| the Windows 95 version since I have read it updates the OS/2 version.  
| Interesting problem since the Windows 3.1 version did not give any such 
| error message.
| 	I'm standardizing myself on Describe at any event.  Now, this 
| means I can type away doing whatever I normally do under OS/2 and can 
| then print the document up under Win-OS/2 (or Windows 95) with the best 
| possible printing quality that my inkjet printer can deliever.  Man this 
| will just kick ass when I have photo's embedded in my Describe 
| documents.  No more re-formatting!
| 
| (To Buddy; it arrived, thanks)


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               02-Oct-99 16:52:07
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <7t4kkq$5ic$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:

> With WordPerfect 5.2, I've heard conflicting 
> reports about its quality...one too many horror stories regarding it for 
> me to look at it seriously.

FWIW, I started writing my dissertation back in 1993 or so with
WordPerfect 5.2 for OS/2, but it crashed, burned, and took OS/2 down one
time too many, so I axed it in favor of DeScribe.  That act probably
shaved a month or two off the time it took me to finish my dissertation. 
(WP8 for both Windows and Linux are MUCH more reliable, though.)

> 	So, the only answer was Describe in my situation.  The idea was 
> so that no matter on what platform I was on (either OS/2 or Windows 95) 
> that I could work on the same document without any messing around with 
> the formatting.  I think Describe should fit the bill quite nicely.

DeScribe will change the formatting of documents when you switch from one
platform to another, though, because of differences in printer drivers and
font handling.  This isn't likely to be a big deal for term papers and
whatnot (you'll just get a different number of pages, page breaks in
different locations, and so on), but it might be if precise layout is
critical.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 21:42:05
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Dale Erwin (derwin@airmail.net) wrote:

: I'm just wondering what you're going to do if some instructor
: requests a soft copy of one of your documents.

	Never thought of that.  Then again, being an arts student 
(Anthropology/English) I don't forsee that as a possibility of ever 
happening.

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                02-Oct-99 15:24:04
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Esther Schindler wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the kind words about the manual. (I wrote about a third of
> it.) <grin>
> 
> I also agree with the other comment about it being nearly impossible
> to pry oneself away from Describe... I have, and have used, just about
> every word processor out there, and I *still* come back to Describe.
> It's fast, which is important to me when the muse starts dictating
> words in my head.
> 
> I never used DeScribe on a Windows system, so I can't help with the
> resolution issues. One gotcha to watch out for, though: Describe's RTF
> import works fine with files that are saved as RTF from Word95, but in
> my experience it barfs on RTF files generated from Word97. I don't
> know why it's that way, but if you encounter the problem at least
> you'll recognize it.
> 
> --Esther

I also had problems generating a .rtf file from DeScribe and then
importing it into StarOffice.  It required a lot of reformatting,
but was better than having to re-key everying from scratch.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               02-Oct-99 16:29:16
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:34:05, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
| Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
| Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
| in the OS/2 camp for some time?

Paul Schindler is no relation to either me or Bill. He's also been in 
this industry for a _long_ time, much longer than I.

My husband Bill is, indeed, well entrenched in "the OS/2 camp." As you
may know, he's the editor in chief of _extended attributes_, the 
magazine of the Phoenix OS/2 Society. (Lurkers may want to note that 
you can request a free issue of that print magazine at 
http://www.possi.org.) And he was the main author of _Teach Yourself 
REXX in 21 Days_.

--Esther

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From: fritzo@humboldt.net                               02-Oct-99 13:42:10
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Netscape/os2 smart download????

From: fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger)

Is there some such?
which would:

-TELL ME if a download terminated unsuccessfully - for any reason instead
of quietly slinking off at 95% completion

-allow me to RESUME a botched/ partial  download - for any reason 

like Zmodem has been doing for all these 8 years.

It does exist for W95...  


fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               02-Oct-99 16:36:03
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:21:49, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> wrote:

| Buddy Donnelly wrote:
| > Thanks for the headsup on this. I thought Byte went out of business...
| > 
| So did I.  Nice to see it resurrected in some fashion on the 
| Web.

When CMP bought Byte (as well as some other publications) it closed it
down in both print and Web editions. About 6 months later they brought
it back as a Web-only publication, with many of the old regulars. (Dan
Dern, who's a friend of mine, is a senior editor.)

The author of the OS/2 article is, apparently, a steady OS/2 user and 
has been for a long time... at least according to a few of his 
comments on BIX. (Yes, that's still around, too.)

| You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
| this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though 
| generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters on 
| certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly 
| in regard to OS/2.

Actually, Jerry was quite an avid OS/2 user at one time. I once had an
entertaining conversation about it with him, along with Wayne Rash and
Steven Vaughan-Nichols. (Wayne and sjvn were oldtime Byte writers. 
Wayne had a column in OS/2 Professional and is now a senior guy at 
InternetWeek. Steven, before he became my boss, freelanced a few 
articles at OS/2 Magazine.) As you can imagine, it was a rather fun 
crowd with which to discuss IBM's, er, attributes.

--Esther

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            02-Oct-99 16:59:13
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-5gl9znvyoOfd@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:


>My husband Bill is, indeed, well entrenched in "the OS/2 camp." As you
>may know, he's the editor in chief of _extended attributes_, the 
>magazine of the Phoenix OS/2 Society. (Lurkers may want to note that 
>you can request a free issue of that print magazine at 
>http://www.possi.org.) And he was the main author of _Teach Yourself 
>REXX in 21 Days_.
>
>--Esther

Esther .. I while back I sent you an Email asking for whatever you
might be able to provide in pointers to RF WAN equipment and interfaces
for OS/2 ..

At one time I thought I knew that the WaveLan group, for example had and
made available drivers and interface tools for their cards and system
for OS/2.  However, recent checking on their site doesn't say anything
about OS/2 as a supported platform.

I'm going about my own probing of these creatures, but i really would
appreciate any comment you have on this.  My post in the usegroups for
information on it produced zero results...

I've got several medical operations sites which we badly need to extend
in the RF WAN mode to remote clinics.  I suspect that others here
either could use or might be awakened to the use of the RF WAN bit for
operations, whom might never have been exposed to the concept...

Would you be so kind as to reply here?  I never got a reply from you for
the Email, but that is not a complaint .. Email ain't flawless by any
means....

I know this off topic, but I spotted your reply so I took the chance...

Sincerely ...
             
--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               02-Oct-99 12:57:02
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 22:25:16
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 09:28:03 -0500, Dan Casey wrote:

>>Just noticed that Paul Schindler is the editor of Byte.  Isn't he
>>Esther's husband or something?  And hasn't he been firmly entrenched
>>in the OS/2 camp for some time?
>
>Nope .... you're thinking of Bill Schindler.

And last time I asked Esther, she said they are not related.



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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 00:59:22
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:24:08, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:

| I also had problems generating a .rtf file from DeScribe and then
| importing it into StarOffice.  It required a lot of reformatting,
| but was better than having to re-key everying from scratch.

When you have a choice, as it seems you did, I find that exporting as 
WordPerfect does a pretty good job.

--Esther 


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From: p.engels@gmx.de                                   02-Oct-99 20:52:06
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: StarOffice 5.1 Download woes

From: "Peter Engels" <p.engels@gmx.de>

On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:38:49 +1100, Stan Irish wrote:

>Anyone know of an FTP site to download this product from?  Have made 6
attempts to http download from the Sun site - all
>died part way through. At least with a good FTP tool, the transfer could be
"resumed".
>--
>Stan
>
 1 -rw-r--r--   64.8M 1999 Sep 11 ftp.nectec.or.th    
/pub/private/so51a_os2_01.exe
  2 -rw-r--r--   64.8M 1999 Sep  8 ftp.dux.ru          
/pub/software/os2/so51a_os2_01.exe

I don't know if they are fast.

This OS/2 system uptime is 00 hours, 31 minutes and 03 seconds.
-- 
MfG / Regards

	Peter Engels


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 01:07:15
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: RF WAN equipment 

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

If I neglected to reply to your email, I apologize profusely. 
Sometimes, getting 400 messages a day gets the better of me and I get 
way behind... <sigh>

And the short answer is... I have no idea what the answer is to your 
question. I haven't worked with that many wireless devices (though I 
can tell you for sure that the Aironet wireless devices _don't_ have 
OS/2 drivers... I did check, when I reviewed the otherwise good 
quality equipment). I'm afraid that my only advice is to do what 
you're doing now: check out the Web sites of the companies that make 
such gizmos, and if they don't list the drivers explicitly send an 
email to the sales department. And make sure you let them know that 
you're considering a good-sized sale <smile>, as $$$ is the way to a 
saleperson's heart.

--Esther

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:59:26, mike.luther@ziplog.com wrote:

| In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-5gl9znvyoOfd@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:
| 
| 
| >My husband Bill is, indeed, well entrenched in "the OS/2 camp." As you
| >may know, he's the editor in chief of _extended attributes_, the 
| >magazine of the Phoenix OS/2 Society. (Lurkers may want to note that 
| >you can request a free issue of that print magazine at 
| >http://www.possi.org.) And he was the main author of _Teach Yourself 
| >REXX in 21 Days_.
| >
| >--Esther
| 
| Esther .. I while back I sent you an Email asking for whatever you
| might be able to provide in pointers to RF WAN equipment and interfaces
| for OS/2 ..
| 
| At one time I thought I knew that the WaveLan group, for example had and
| made available drivers and interface tools for their cards and system
| for OS/2.  However, recent checking on their site doesn't say anything
| about OS/2 as a supported platform.
| 
| I'm going about my own probing of these creatures, but i really would
| appreciate any comment you have on this.  My post in the usegroups for
| information on it produced zero results...
| 
| I've got several medical operations sites which we badly need to extend
| in the RF WAN mode to remote clinics.  I suspect that others here
| either could use or might be awakened to the use of the RF WAN bit for
| operations, whom might never have been exposed to the concept...
| 
| Would you be so kind as to reply here?  I never got a reply from you for
| the Email, but that is not a complaint .. Email ain't flawless by any
| means....
| 
| I know this off topic, but I spotted your reply so I took the chance...
| 
| Sincerely ...
|              
| --> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)
| 
| Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
| Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org
| 


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From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi                             02-Oct-99 19:17:25
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: osmo.vuorio@sonera.fi (Osmo Vuorio)

In article <c1.01.2SNvY4$0AX@hamei.pacbell.net>, hamei@pacbell.net says...
>
>In <37f55957_4@news1.prserv.net>, fheitka@ibm.net writes:
>
>>I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
>>OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
>>NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
>>letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
>>arrange drive letters based on the startable
>>or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?

Let the NT itself to change the active partition to the
bootmanager - and no more driver letter circulation.
But before doing this, reset the active partition as
it was before the bootmanager partition installation.

>F: for some reason. (the reason is that NT is incredibly stupid) 
>"Disk Administrator" in will you to change drive letter designations. 

No need in this case.

Osmo


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    02-Oct-99 19:19:06
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

judithr9@earthlink.net wrote:

: Which I find difficult to believe. 
: Are they really 'giving this away?'  Is there a catch -- other than
: the documentation?  If free, Why? 

	Totally free.  Prior, with StarDivision on their own they made 
StarOffice 5.x free for educational and non-commercial use.  Now that Sun 
has their hands on it they have made also free for even those that are 
commercial users.

	As for why...  Gain word of mouth, which in turn could get some 
users as well as good press since there is no other competitor in the 
office suite market that comes with the kind of features that StarOffice 
has at the low-low price of $0 and 0 cents.  Plus the CEO of Sun 
Microsystems can't stand Bill Gates.  It's all in preparation for their 
StarPortal product I think.

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From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com                          03-Oct-99 01:24:05
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart)

In article <WTp93oHpvqkB092yn@visi.com>,
Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote:
>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>I'm not sure which article you're referring to, Joe. I suspect that 
>>you're thinking of my article from the last OS/2 Magazine...? The one 
>>in which I stated that Microsoft's major contribution to the computer 
>>industry was the degree to which they've lowered user expectations?
>
>As someone once said in one of the Linux newsgroups, a company doesn't
>need to write fault-tolerant software anymore once they've developed a
>fault-tolerant user base.  [Insert :-) or :-( as desired]
>
>-- 
>   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
>      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>           Procrasinators Anonymous Meeting - Tomorrow. Or next day.

8-(, most definately.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 01:14:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:59:24, wellmet@attglobal.net wrote:

| I was thining of the one that was mentioned in this newsgroup 
| a couple of weeks ago.  I looked for it in September issues of
| PCMag, and didn't see it.

Well, I haven't written for PC Magazine in more than two years. Since 
January 1998 I've been on staff at Sm@rt Reseller, 
http://www.zdnet.com/sr, as Technology Editor. With the September 
timeframe, perhaps the article you're thinking of is the one in which 
I reported that OS/2 has sold more than IBM expected?

--Esther

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               02-Oct-99 12:51:23
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: Is Object Desktop 2.0 upgrade worth it?

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 05:29:24 GMT, Ron Blatt wrote:

>So, my question is, is there
>anything that great in 2.0 that deserves a $40 upgrade? Is it more
>stable? Thanks for any advice

I use OD exclusively for it's object package capability.   I don't know about
1.5 but I found 2.0 to be far more stable than the 1.0 version that I had.   

Most people underestimated the power of Object Package.   For instance,
Visualage C++ has a tendency to commit suicide.   Whenever it happens, my
only choice was to reinstall the whole package - 300MB plus varous fixpaks.  
 Now, I recreate the Visualage object and it appears to work.   Similarly,
lots of the packages do not account for the multiple patition sitution.    So
if you boot up from another partition, the package won't work.   With Object
Package, I am able to get around that problem.

I was afraid to have Object Desktop 1.0 around for long and so previously I
uninstall it as soon as I am done with my object package activity.   2.0 is
stable enough for me to keep it around.


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From: derwin@airmail.net                                02-Oct-99 14:56:06
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:06
Subj: Re: StarOffice 5.1 Download woes

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Stan Irish wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of an FTP site to download this product from?  Have made 6
> attempts to http download from the Sun site - all
> died part way through. At least with a good FTP tool, the transfer could be 
> "resumed".
> --
> Stan

That's what happened for me, too.  I think I am going to order the CD.
Is it still possible to obtain a printed manual?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           02-Oct-99 17:17:17
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Jim Stuyck wrote:
> 
> "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:
> 
> > Frank McKenney wrote:
> > >
> > > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> > > >Frank McKenney wrote:
> >
> > [***SNIP!!!***]
> >
> > >
> > > Well, now that you mention it...
> > >
> > > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> > > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> > > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
> > > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
> > > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
> 
> Sounds like someone forgot to punch a hole in his carriage control
> tape, or screwed up gluing it together and it came apart!  ;-)
> (I go waaaay back, too.  Been there, done that.)
> 
> > I remember those - in fact, I've seen a program that could take images
> > in a couple of different formats (seems to me they were pcx and
> > MacPaint), and convert them to text images. And I remember full well the
> > 1403 and related line printers - faster than your average laser printer
> > at pumping out pages of stuff.
> 
> No 1403-N1 could (or can) hold a candle to, say, an IBM 3800 which is
> a laser machine that uses cut paper, unlike the fanfold of the 1403.  And
> the 3800 has been around for a looooong time.
> 
> Where have you been?  ;-)
> 
> Jim Stuyck

Sorry - meant the everyday SOHO laser printers. Mind you, I think the
3800 was after my experiences with the 1403. I do remember a non-IBM
printer called a Photon, which used lenses, daisy wheels and toner to
produce scalable fonts and xerographic printing, and the first
legitimate laser printers I dealt with were the Imagen and the early
Xerox products - both of which tended to run at 4 or so ppm if lucky.

But I've seen what you refer to: laser printers that run at a speed that
to the eye approaches that of a printing press. I have also seen the
invoice for that type of printer - outta my budget! ;)
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From: derwin@airmail.net                                02-Oct-99 15:17:21
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

John Hong wrote:
> 
> Kim Cheung (kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com) wrote:
> 
> : >     Lotus Word Pro 96 for OS/2 I know can read them, and I'll assume
> : >the 97 version can, too.  However, I believe the Describe filter for Word
> : >Pro is strictly a OS/2 specific feature.  The Windows 95 version of Word
> : >Pro 96 I know does not have a Describe filter.  But I guess the advantage
> : >there is that you can then export it as a Word document.
> 
> : Sorry to throw cold water your way - these conversion features do not work
> : very well except for VERY simple documents.
> 
>         Can you blame them?  Especially considering that Describe I don't
> believe *ever* published their file formatting much like IBM Works...
> 
> : DeScibe is like drug - once you get into it, it's hard to pull away.   
Very
> : sad but I wouldn't use it (as much as I love to).    Start with SO, it's
> : supported.
> 
>         StarOffice?  You must be joking...on a AMD 5x86-133mhz with 16 MB
> of RAM, StarOffice is a pretty lousy pick.  Lotus Word Pro 96, while a
> little better is still slow on my machine.  Besides, I wanted to get
> lighter...not heavier in features.  What I wanted was something that I
> could use on both ends, OS/2 and Windows 95.  Only one fits that, that
> would suit is Describe.  Only other options would've been StarOffice as
> you had already suggested, Lotus Word Pro 96, and WordPerfect 5.2.  First
> two are simply too resource hungry for my liking, especially considering
> I'll be looking to create 20-30 page term papers with embedded graphics
> for this semester.  With StarOffice or Word Pro 96, that ain't gonna be
> pretty on my slim machine.  With WordPerfect 5.2, I've heard conflicting
> reports about its quality...one too many horror stories regarding it for
> me to look at it seriously.  As well I have WordPerfect 8 for Win95, but I'd
> rather keep that off this machine since it is also a little slow.
>         So, the only answer was Describe in my situation.  The idea was
> so that no matter on what platform I was on (either OS/2 or Windows 95)
> that I could work on the same document without any messing around with
> the formatting.  I think Describe should fit the bill quite nicely.  I
> find myself playing games and surfing the web on Windows 95 a lot now,
> whereas with OS/2 I mainly do the word processing and downloading with
> wget and reading the Usenet and email.

I'm just wondering what you're going to do if some instructor
requests a soft copy of one of your documents.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             02-Oct-99 19:59:12
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: wellmet@attglobal.net

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-g8d1yfeVHdB3@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:
>On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:22:33, jkovacs@attglobal.net   (Joe Kovacs) 
>wrote:
>
>| Where's Esther Schindler's similar article in PCMag, which 
>| issue?  Is it up in a url?
>
>I'm not sure which article you're referring to, Joe. I suspect that 
>you're thinking of my article from the last OS/2 Magazine...? The one 
>in which I stated that Microsoft's major contribution to the computer 
>industry was the degree to which they've lowered user expectations?
>
>In any case, I'd guess that you could find most of my PC Magazine (and
>Computer Shopper) articles online from searching at 
>http://www.zdnet.com... though I think our search engine suc^H^H^H 
>isn't nearly as good as it ought to be. (When I *know* I wrote an 
>article 3 weeks ago, and *I* can't find it... oh, well, that's another
>rant.)

I was thining of the one that was mentioned in this newsgroup 
a couple of weeks ago.  I looked for it in September issues of
PCMag, and didn't see it.

OK, I'll go after www.zdnet.com, thanks.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au                      03-Oct-99 10:53:29
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil Yusof)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:45:57, Stan Irish <sirish@ihug.com.au> wrote:

> Have one nasty problem which is still not fixed in FP12.  Occasionally when
I move the pointer to quickly or when a new
> window pops up in the top left corner, the system locks up - not even
CTRL-ALT-NUMLK-NUMLK can break into it - time for
> the reset button.   The problem seems only to happen when Netscape is
running (has happened since applying FP5 and is
> still there after each successive FP). The problem has happened with
Netscape 4.04 (several releases) and the new
> Netscape 4.61.   Am running LAN Server 4.0 on Warp 4 - when I kill LAN
Server and Requester, I can't reproduce the
> problem.
>  
> This may be a video driver problem, but it has happened on Tseng Labs
ET4000w32i and Cirrus Logic adapters in the same
> machine.

Sounds like the software cursor problem I had with the older Matrox drivers.
But
the relation with LAN Server and Requestor is rather wierd. Try either the 
default B/W mouse pointers if you aren't already using them (HW cursors). Or 
pick one of the 3D ones so that it's a software cursor if you're already using 
a
HW cursor. One of them might be more stable.

Are you using any WPS enhancers that replace frame controls etc?

NS usually stuffs up my WPS stability. 4.61beta fixed it, GA broke it and FP12 

fixed it again :)

Another thing to increase my machine is to use slower memory timing settings 
(default). Maybe my memory is stuffed but by using the default settings for 
70ns, I have hardly any wierd random errors.


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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           02-Oct-99 17:10:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> Duncan Munro [via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/] ->
> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 

[***SNIP!!!***]

>   and now to win2000 it seems like we are
> 
> Even if you may be mistaken by it's new name sounding like a new version or
> upgrade of Windows 98 (I agree it's very easy to assume that if you don't
know
> about it), Windows 2000 is what used to be called, previously to it's Beta 3
> release, Windows NT 5.0.
> 
> For more info: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/professional/beta/
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> m a r t i n | n
> 
> --
> Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
> CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
> d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

Martin - you will agree that maybe a third to a half of users - namely
those running their systems in businesses as their key tool for their
work functions probably should be using NT Workstation rather than
Windows 9X? Too many businesses are thinking that they are saving money
by buying the cheaper and less memory demanding Win 9X rather than the
more stable NT. So Duncan may be right that for some, they should be
moving to Windows 2000.
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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                02-Oct-99 17:25:10
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

WolfgangHaas wrote:
> 
> Also with the installation of 1 x 128MB or 2 x 64 MB or 1 x 64MB and 2 x
> 32MB or 3 x  32MB OS/2 only 64 MB detects 128 MB. All possible modifications
> in the BIOS did not bring modification!
> 
>                       Who knows advice?


Wolfgang

You have Award BIOS.

Boot the machine and hit DEL to get into BIOS

Select BIOS Features

somewhere below it should say something like

"OS Select for DRAM > 64MB"

The selection should be "OS/2"  (the (wrong) alternative is non-OS/2)

If it is incorrect, change it and save the changed BIOS.

Let us know what you find.

Ron

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 02:46:04
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-1IjwoF39rKGQ@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:
>On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:59:24, wellmet@attglobal.net wrote:
>
>| I was thining of the one that was mentioned in this newsgroup 
>| a couple of weeks ago.  I looked for it in September issues of
>| PCMag, and didn't see it.
>
>Well, I haven't written for PC Magazine in more than two years. Since 
>January 1998 I've been on staff at Sm@rt Reseller, 
>http://www.zdnet.com/sr, as Technology Editor. With the September 
>timeframe, perhaps the article you're thinking of is the one in which 
>I reported that OS/2 has sold more than IBM expected?

Yes, that's the one, where's that, Esther?  There were 
comments about it, but no one mentioned an issue or url.

I looked through PCMag's site and it was as you said.  If it 
was there, it was well salted away. 


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    03-Oct-99 03:02:02
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Esther Schindler (esther@bitranch.com) wrote:

: |         Exactly!  Once word processors got to the level of Word 6 and 
: | WordPerfect 6 in features (or even WordPerfect 5.1 for that matter), its 
: | been downhill since, IMO.  Describe 5 is on that level which is just 
: | perfect for me.

: Well, it's easy to get a writer started in any discussion about her 
: choice of word processor. <grin> I know quite a few well-known 
: novelists who use WordPerfect 5.1, because it's really fast... and 
: when you're writing books and magazine articles, you don't use 
: formatting any fancier than italics.

	I agree wholeheartedly!  I started off with WordPerfect 5.1 and 
have been using it ever since.  I'm switching to Describe mainly because 
it is easier to do basic DTP functions (ie. adding a graphic) under a GUI 
than it is without.  I really don't like what word processors have become 
lately.  I mean, if I want to do a webpage, I'd use a HTML editor, not a 
word processor.  If I wanted to do serious DTP, then I'd get a serious 
DTP program like PageMaker or Ventura.
	In the past I had tried out Word 6, WordPerfect 7, WordPerfect 8, 
AmiPro 3.0, Word Pro 96, StarOffice.  Yet up until Describe came along, it
had always been WordPerfect 5.1 for me.
	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    03-Oct-99 03:04:17
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Daniel Say (say@sfu.ca) wrote:

: ---------
: 	and some of us find XYwrite very fast.  It's still
: 	sold by The Technology Group in Baltimore.

	I came across a frontend of that for OS/2 at Hobbes a while ago.  
What kind of features did that have?


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From: say@sfu.ca                                        03-Oct-99 02:49:19
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>

In comp.os.os2.apps Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote:
: On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:45:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
: Hong) wrote:

: | : It's fast, which is important to me when the muse starts dictating 
: | : words in my head.
: |  
: |         Exactly!  Once word processors got to the level of Word 6 and 
: | WordPerfect 6 in features (or even WordPerfect 5.1 for that matter), its 
: | been downhill since, IMO.  Describe 5 is on that level which is just 
: | perfect for me.

: Well, it's easy to get a writer started in any discussion about her 
: choice of word processor. <grin> I know quite a few well-known 
: novelists who use WordPerfect 5.1, because it's really fast... and 
: when you're writing books and magazine articles, you don't use 
: formatting any fancier than italics.
: --Esther

---------
	and some of us find XYwrite very fast.  It's still
	sold by The Technology Group in Baltimore.

	What's better is that 28 dictionaries / Thesauraus
	became available with the new OS/2 version of Netscape
	and they work with this word processor XyWrite, and
	its sister, NotaBene.
					Daniel Say

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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              03-Oct-99 00:15:05
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

Kris,
	Thanks for the information. Someone else suggested the same thing
about Joliet (whatever that means).  You are  right......many of the
files are truncated.  An example - remember.html reads as 
rememb~1.htm . It seems that all html have been reduced in length and
a ~1 added to the filename.
	If this is the problem what is the solution - or is there a solution?
Thanks lots,
Willard


In message <37F65B91.8C6356ED@dgraph.com> - Kris Kadela
<kris@dgraph.com>Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:22:57 -0600 writes:
:>
:>Probably a version of Joliet that OS/2 doesn't understand. Are the file
:>names truncated?
:>
:>"A. Willard Reese" wrote:
:>> 
:>> My problem is this:
:>>         I have just got my ISP, who is local, to burn my website on a
:>> cdrom.  It was done
:>> on a Win98 machine and works fine on my machine when running WIN95 and
:>> Win98
:>> ver of Netscape. However,
:>>     When I try to run it in OS2 by bringing up the cdrom directory and
:>> clicking on
:>> index.html, Netscape 4.61 opens OK and the home page is shown. When I
:>> click on jpeg
:>> links on the home page they also open OK.  When I try to open an .HTML
:>> link, I get an
:>> error message "Can't find J:\xxxxx.html".  This is true of all html's,
:>> J is my cdrom drive
:>> in OS2.
:>>     Why can't Netscape in OS2 find the files when Windows95 can. E is
:>> my cdrom
:>> drive in Win95. J is my cdrom drive in OS2.
:>>     I've tried a dozen different things but nothing seems to work.
:>> Got any ideas?
:>> Regards,
:>> Willard




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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      03-Oct-99 00:40:14
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Mark L. Kahnt [M.L. Kahnt New Markets Consulting] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 Martin - you will agree that maybe a third to a half of users - namely
 those running their systems in businesses as their key tool for their
 work functions probably should be using NT Workstation rather than
 Windows 9X? Too many businesses are thinking that they are saving money

Have always said that.

I have never seen any point in running WinDos at all, not even for home users
who wants to use their machine for any productive work.

If however anyone use the machine mainly as a glorified Nintendo console...

 by buying the cheaper and less memory demanding Win 9X rather than the
 more stable NT. So Duncan may be right that for some, they should be
 moving to Windows 2000.

If you ask *me* he should never have installed or used any WinDos 9X at all.

That said I only pointed out that it's a completely different system (even if
they just by the name looks the same), and didn't in any way advocate WinDos.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               02-Oct-99 21:39:09
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: RF WAN equipment 

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 3 Oct 1999 01:07:30 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

>| Esther .. I while back I sent you an Email asking for whatever you
>| might be able to provide in pointers to RF WAN equipment and interfaces
>| for OS/2 ..
>| 

Okay, now I am intrigued.   Tell me more.   Are we talking about a RF T1
connection here?   If so, I am interested.

>| At one time I thought I knew that the WaveLan group, for example had and
>| made available drivers and interface tools for their cards and system
>| for OS/2.  However, recent checking on their site doesn't say anything
>| about OS/2 as a supported platform.
>| 

Which probably means they still have it and with the right "twist" on their
arm, we might be able to squeeze something out.  

Tell me more.




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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              02-Oct-99 21:40:04
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: Netscape/os2 smart download????

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Fritz Oppliger wrote:
> -allow me to RESUME a botched/ partial  download - for any reason

NS 4.04 and 4.61 can resume an incomplete download if the server on the
other end supports it and if the NS cache on DISK is large enough to
contain the whole file in question. I have seen it do it precisely once
however, and for this and other reasons I now use WGET to download files
wherever possible instead.

Graham.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                02-Oct-99 18:04:06
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: Tell me this can't BE

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman) said:
>There is certainly precedent for this type of policy.  As an example,
>registration of ZOC 2.x was valid for all updates through 3.x, which required
>an "upgrade" re-registration.  

Well, I'm not sure what policy you're describing.  Anybody knows you might
have
to register new versions, depending on the specidic deal.

But the statement I found with version 2.x, which may have merely been worded
VERY badly, said version 1.x would have to be re-registered. "1.x and earlier
expire with this release and need to be re-registered."

The original 1.x license has nothing indicating that it must be re-registered
at
some point.  The statement above is either wrong or very sloppy English.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 02-Oct-99 18:04:28
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Christian Hennecke
<christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> spake unto us, saying:

>Aahhh. It's nice to learn something new about this. Do you happen to
>know about Win-OS/2? I think it's 16-bit code.

I think I recall (from past online discussions) that WinOS2 is the base
Microsoft code that has been rewritten as a DPMI client and recompiled
using Watcom or something (has a better optimizer than IBM's compiler).

I think it's still 16-bit code, yes, but sitting on top of the emulated
DOS layer.

You can find out more than you probably want to know about the OS/2 DOS
subsystem from the OS/2 2.0 Red Book entitled _Volume 2 - DOS & Windows
Environment_:

  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/info/redbk2.zip

Consider downloading all four.  They make for very interesting reading,
and they also provide a glimpse as to how advanced the OS/2 environment
was in 1992 (when OS/2 2.0 was released).

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                Did I just step on someones toes again??

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 02-Oct-99 18:15:06
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>
spake unto us, saying:

>Richard Steiner wrote:
> 
>I suppose what you say is correct.  BUT, I have read/heard that it is
>possible to run actual native DOS under OS/2 in much the same way that
>DOS/VSE is run under VM on a mainframe.  I've heard that someone even
>successfully ran CP/M that way.

Yes, you can also boot an actual real-mode operating system in a VDM
from an existing boot image using something called a VMB, or Virtual
Machine Boot.  I've never used that feature myself.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                                  Ni!

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 02-Oct-99 18:27:09
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
spake unto us, saying:

>I'm not sure which article you're referring to, Joe. I suspect that 
>you're thinking of my article from the last OS/2 Magazine...? The one 
>in which I stated that Microsoft's major contribution to the computer 
>industry was the degree to which they've lowered user expectations?

As someone once said in one of the Linux newsgroups, a company doesn't
need to write fault-tolerant software anymore once they've developed a
fault-tolerant user base.  [Insert :-) or :-( as desired]

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           Procrasinators Anonymous Meeting - Tomorrow. Or next day.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    03-Oct-99 03:05:21
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 03:16:07
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Robert Dohrenburg (rdohrenburg@hotmail.com) wrote:
: I just replaced my old toshiba ide cdrom with a new toshiba ide
: dvd-cdrom ( SD-M1202x/SD-M1212x).

	What is the file size and date of the IBMIDECD.FLT that you have?


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 01:00:29
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 05:13:17
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:45:50, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

| : It's fast, which is important to me when the muse starts dictating 
| : words in my head.
|  
|         Exactly!  Once word processors got to the level of Word 6 and 
| WordPerfect 6 in features (or even WordPerfect 5.1 for that matter), its 
| been downhill since, IMO.  Describe 5 is on that level which is just 
| perfect for me.

Well, it's easy to get a writer started in any discussion about her 
choice of word processor. <grin> I know quite a few well-known 
novelists who use WordPerfect 5.1, because it's really fast... and 
when you're writing books and magazine articles, you don't use 
formatting any fancier than italics.

--Esther

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           03-Oct-99 01:07:10
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 05:13:17
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:15:11, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) 
wrote:

> Kris,
> 	Thanks for the information. Someone else suggested the same thing
> about Joliet (whatever that means).  You are  right......many of the
> files are truncated.  An example - remember.html reads as 
> rememb~1.htm . It seems that all html have been reduced in length and
> a ~1 added to the filename.
> 	If this is the problem what is the solution - or is there a solution?
> Thanks lots,

Try adding the /W switch to the CDIFS.IFS statement
in the config.sys file. This will tell it to use the Joliet filenames.

If that does not work, try downloading the JCDFS.zip file
from Hobbes.

URL ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/system/drivers/filesys/jdcfs.zip

This is a replacement CDIFS.IFS that purports to work
with Joliet Level 3 (used by most Windows CD burning
software).

Lorne Sunley

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               02-Oct-99 21:33:04
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 05:13:17
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On 3 Oct 1999 01:00:58 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

>Well, it's easy to get a writer started in any discussion about her 
>choice of word processor. <grin> I know quite a few well-known 
>novelists who use WordPerfect 5.1, because it's really fast... and 
>when you're writing books and magazine articles, you don't use 
>formatting any fancier than italics.

Please, don't press where it hurts.   I still have an manual in DeScribe that
are several hundred pages with hundreds of screen shots.   It never, never
give me any headache.   Of course, before that, I have a manual thats over a
thousand page - in Lotus Manuscript.

The quality of word processors has been going downhill ever since the
Manuscript days!!!



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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 01:14:21
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 05:13:17
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:27:18, rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) 
wrote:

| As someone once said in one of the Linux newsgroups, a company doesn't
| need to write fault-tolerant software anymore once they've developed a
| fault-tolerant user base.  [Insert :-) or :-( as desired]

<laughing out loud> That's a great comment!

--Esther

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             03-Oct-99 01:36:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 05:13:17
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: jsjones@selectric.net

What IRQ is being used by 1) your MGA card and 2) your LAN adapter(s)?

In <37F644D4.AF397212@ihug.com.au>, Stan Irish <sirish@ihug.com.au> writes:
>Have one nasty problem which is still not fixed in FP12.  Occasionally when I 
move the pointer to quickly or when a new
>window pops up in the top left corner, the system locks up - not even
CTRL-ALT-NUMLK-NUMLK can break into it - time for
>the reset button.   The problem seems only to happen when Netscape is running 
(has happened since applying FP5 and is
>still there after each successive FP). The problem has happened with Netscape 
4.04 (several releases) and the new
>Netscape 4.61.   Am running LAN Server 4.0 on Warp 4 - when I kill LAN Server 
and Requester, I can't reproduce the
>problem.
>
>This may be a video driver problem, but it has happened on Tseng Labs
ET4000w32i and Cirrus Logic adapters in the same
>machine.
>
>
>


selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: mike.luther@ziplog.com                            03-Oct-99 03:43:29
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 10:24:09
Subj: Re: RF WAN equipment 

From: mike.luther@ziplog.com

In <LoEFmgJJ9ecw-pn2-Cegnj6wQ3M0d@agave.bitranch.com>, esther@bitranch.com
(Esther Schindler) writes:


>If I neglected to reply to your email, I apologize profusely. 
>Sometimes, getting 400 messages a day gets the better of me and I get 
>way behind... <sigh>

Hey ... Bless you for even taking the time to reply... :)

>And the short answer is... I have no idea what the answer is to your 
>question. I haven't worked with that many wireless devices (though I 
>can tell you for sure that the Aironet wireless devices _don't_ have 
>OS/2 drivers... I did check, when I reviewed the otherwise good 
>quality equipment). I'm afraid that my only advice is to do what 
>you're doing now: check out the Web sites of the companies that make 
>such gizmos, and if they don't list the drivers explicitly send an 
>email to the sales department. And make sure you let them know that 
>you're considering a good-sized sale <smile>, as $$$ is the way to a 
>saleperson's heart.
>
>--Esther

OK .. trudge onward.  At about 4 grand to 7 grand per each end, it 'tis
real money .. However, at the price of T1's, even still ... perspective
counts..

And... since you did reply, I will post back to you what I find of those
folks whom can help us OS/2 'injuns.. as well as here for us arrow
targets!

TNX ...

As well, anyone else here that can steer the ship toward WAN-land, any
port in a storm!   Grin ...

--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

Mike - W5WQN
Mike.Luther@ziplog.com
Mike.Luther@f3000.n117.z1.fidonet.org

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           02-Oct-99 23:07:29
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 10:24:09
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

John Hong wrote:
> 
> Robert Dohrenburg (rdohrenburg@hotmail.com) wrote:
> : I just replaced my old toshiba ide cdrom with a new toshiba ide
> : dvd-cdrom ( SD-M1202x/SD-M1212x).
> 
>         What is the file size and date of the IBMIDECD.FLT that you have?

Thanks for the reply.

I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.

BTW the size and date of the file is 24136 1998/09/30 21:14:00
IBMIDECD.FLT From FixPack12

Thanks again.

Robert,

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From: Winfried.T@inter.nl.netX                          03-Oct-99 10:01:17
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 19:48:20
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Winfried.T@inter.nl.netX (Winfried Tilanus)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:00:58, esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler) 
wrote:

> Well, it's easy to get a writer started in any discussion about her 
> choice of word processor. <grin>

That is one of the things that makes the OS/2 - word processing 
mailinglist so charming sometimes... (although it is very quiet 
lately)

> I know quite a few well-known 
> novelists who use WordPerfect 5.1, because it's really fast... and 
> when you're writing books and magazine articles, you don't use 
> formatting any fancier than italics.

I agree that WordPerfect 5.1 does all the formatting you need when 
your work is going to be published (and much more than that), and it's
file format is still one of the best to exchange documents. But I fell
for the charms of Describe, and I use WP 5.1 nowadays only to check 
the formatting of a text before submitting it.

Winfried

* To reply by e-mail: remove X
* http://web.inter.NL.net/users/Winfried/
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  03-Oct-99 20:59:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 19:48:20
Subj: Re: Monitor power down

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

I have been using Blanker 6.0 for years. Does great.

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:15:22, szrob@ns.net (John Roberts) wrote:

>  windoz/95 has a place on the screen saver tab that allows the monitor
> to go into a power down mode.  I used this to drop the wattage to my 
> monitor during idle times.  My monitor and the BIOS are energy saver 
> compliant.  I don't want cycle the monitor daily.  Is there a place in
> OS2 that sets the power usage for the monitor or is there a third 
> party program that does this? 
> TIA
> John Roberts

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: buchholf@cs.purdue.edu                            03-Oct-99 12:25:17
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 19:48:20
Subj: Partition table

From: Florian Buchholz <buchholf@cs.purdue.edu>

Hi,

The data in the partition table of one of my harddrives has been lost. The
drive containes 5 HPFS partitions as logical partitions withtin the
extended partition. I can only boot Windows or Linux right now. When I
look at the contents of the drive with a binary editor, I see that the
first partition seems to be damaged, but that the other 4 should still be
intact. Is there a way I can find out the boundaries of the partitions
(what do I have to look for in a HPFS partition) and how can I create a
new partition table for the harddrive? (I want to use Linux to do this).

Thanks for any help,

Florian

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 20:24:28
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 19:48:20
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <UzTquBBFVYHy-pn2-4ZU59v0BlTd1@Zeus>, bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis) writes:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878
>> 
>> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell is
IBM
>> thinking?

>That survey doesn't count because there's only
>two of us using OS/2, it's your turn to vote the
>next 3000 times. ;-O

O where have we heard that before.

_That is a good survey. Big time.  We know how the survey 
was taken, know the questions that were asked and so can 
discuss biases in them.  We know how the responses were 
analyzed and can look at the results and evaluate them for 
ourselves.  There are lots of details in the presented
results, lots of juice. There are lots of responses, and 
from all over.  The survey operators didn't bias the 
results with analysis or comments.

There are a couple of hints that the results were _not
loaded (Ha!).  First, there are 324 comments with 3200
responses for OS/2, which is a lot of comments, a high
ratio.  Second, I travel in OS/2 circles and didn't
see a call to load this survey.






Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           03-Oct-99 07:04:12
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 19:48:20
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <c1.2b8.2SPYG9$0Ip@cast.grid.ibm.net>, on 10/03/99 at 02:46 AM,
   wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) said:


> Yes, that's the one, where's that, Esther?  There were 
> comments about it, but no one mentioned an issue or url.

> I looked through PCMag's site and it was as you said.  If it  was there,
> it was well salted away. 

Try http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4358,2326830,00.html

I found it by searching ZDNET for OS/2. It led me to it.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              03-Oct-99 14:18:05
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:24
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

Lorne,
	Thanks much. Adding the /W to the cdfs.ifs statement fixed the
truncated names in the directory and everything works OK when I drag
the index.html file into Netscape.  If however, I just double click on
the index.html filename, Netscape refuses to open and gives the
message that it "unable to parse os2pref.js file".
If I open Netscape directly and drag and drop the Index.html file into
it, all html links work ok.  At least things are working.  Do you know
if adding the /W has any effect on any other programs that might run
from the cdrom?
	I may try the other other cdfs file from Hobbes and see what happens.
Again, thank you for resolving this problem for me.
Willard



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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 14:28:21
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:49:38, Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca> wrote:
|         and some of us find XYwrite very fast.  It's still
|         sold by The Technology Group in Baltimore.

It is? Cool! I never used XYWrite personally, though I knew a few 
people who swore by it. Years ago, when we still had the computer 
store, I also sold a copy of Nota Bene to a nun who needed to write in
Greek and Hebrew as well as English.

|         What's better is that 28 dictionaries / Thesauraus
|         became available with the new OS/2 version of Netscape
|         and they work with this word processor XyWrite, and
|         its sister, NotaBene.

Other than spell checking, I do most of my dictionary checking online 
these days. IIRC, dictionary.com is the one that'll look up a word in 
several dictionaries at once. Great stuff.

--Esther
  


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 14:31:22
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:02:05, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:

| I started off with WordPerfect 5.1 and 
| have been using it ever since.  I'm switching to Describe mainly because 
| it is easier to do basic DTP functions (ie. adding a graphic) under a GUI 
| than it is without.  I really don't like what word processors have become 
| lately.  I mean, if I want to do a webpage, I'd use a HTML editor, not a 
| word processor.  If I wanted to do serious DTP, then I'd get a serious 
| DTP program like PageMaker or Ventura.
|         In the past I had tried out Word 6, WordPerfect 7, WordPerfect 8, 
| AmiPro 3.0, Word Pro 96, StarOffice.  Yet up until Describe came along, it
| had always been WordPerfect 5.1 for me.

Actually, I have a fond spot in my heart for WordPerfect 6 for DOS, 
which let you switch back-and-forth from a GUI to text. (I also wrote 
80 pages of the WordPerfect 6 DOS SuperBook... that was my first 
published book-anything.)

Ventura's no longer anywhere on top for real DTP. It's Quark, 
Pagemaker, and arguably Framemaker. (We use Framemaker on the Mac to 
put together _extended attributes_.)

--Esther

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 09:56:01
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:

>Daniel Say (say@sfu.ca) wrote:
>
>: ---------
>: 	and some of us find XYwrite very fast.  It's still
>: 	sold by The Technology Group in Baltimore.
>
>	I came across a frontend of that for OS/2 at Hobbes a while ago.  
>What kind of features did that have?

I've been preaching about the Xy-OS/2 shell for prolly three
years now, John, it's hard to believe you've missed my spam! 
But since you asked:

The Xy-OS/2 shell is but one part of a sizeable integrated
add-on for Xywrite IV developed by two brilliant amateur (in
the best sense of the word) programmers named Robert
Holmgren and Carl DiStefano.  It makes use of Xy IV's
capacity to incorporate a massive help frame using paltry
memory resources and allowing for full use of XyWrite's
truly astonishing macro capability.

Had Messrs. Holmgren and DiStefano but used Xywwweb (thus
have they named the overall shell, now up to about its 30th
revision) simply to allow Xywrite to do practically anything
an editor would wish it to -- from exceedingly celever
character conversions, command stacks, calculations,
calendars -- and I'm not out of the C's -- that would have
been enough.  But as OS/2 users, they've put together a
package which exploits OS/2's capacity for integration and
multitasking in a fashion which, in its humble way, can make
DDE look like the bad joke it is.  Robert conventionally
uses XyWrite to produce documents with long filenames. 
Carl, I believe, does not use a conventional e-mail client:
instead, he reads and replies everything from within
Xywrite, using Hacksaw.  Other things they've made it
possible to do: cut and paste from within full-screen
Xywrite sessions (thanks also to Don Hawkinson on that one)
read weather forecasts culled from the Web, start ANY OS/2
program from within XyWrite, without leaving it.

If it sounds like Rube Goldbergian hacking and kludgemanship
-- well, maybe it is.  But once you see it at work, and
start working with it yourself, you might find you'll never
want to write with anything else again.

XyWrite and OS/2 have a great deal in common -- of course,
they were also for one brief shining moment, joined at the
hip, when IBM bought it with the intention of making Xy
OS/2's wp application (Signature).  Xy has and has always
been, in the opinion of many, the DOS word-processing
program, thanks to its phenomenal stability, user
customization, and speed.  (I might be using Describe more,
except that Xywrite is perfect.)  What XY and OS/2 share, to
me, are stability, user-customizability, and the fact it
rewards (indeed requires) patient study and exploration.  

Xywrite for DOS is not really being developed anymore; The
Technology Group, run by a lawyer who has misled, abused,
and manipulated the XyWrite user community for years now,
now develops the Windoze version of XyWrite, called
SmartWords (SmurfWarts).  Many members of the XyWrite
listserv have been waiting to beta-test Smurfwarts for years
now, but the owner of the company, who is developing SW
primarily as some kind integrated document application for
lawyers, has failed to deliver.  Meanwhile, the SW engine
apparently still drives the academic-writing oriented Nota
Bene word processor, which has seen a new release which has
a demo available at

	http://www.notabene.com/winsws_demo.html

(Have heard reports it giving OS/2 fits, however).

To really get what you want out of XyWrite, though, you want
to be running it in a command-line session -- ideally full-
screen under OS/2.  If you're at all curious about it, and
want to get an idea just why some OS/2 users vow to use the
Xy-OS/2 combination till kingdom come, hasten to

	http://www.serve.com/xywwweb/

and read all about it.  Btw: I'm told there are hints here
about getting a downloadable version of XyWrite/Dos to play
around with, but I can't confirm it.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu                           03-Oct-99 10:42:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu>

Winfried Tilanus wrote:
> I agree that WordPerfect 5.1 does all the formatting you need when
> your work is going to be published (and much more than that), and it's
> file format is still one of the best to exchange documents. But I fell
> for the charms of Describe, and I use WP 5.1 nowadays only to check
> the formatting of a text before submitting it.
> 

There was a nice Wordperfect 5.1+ version that came out after 6.0
for DOS was released -- it included some extra layout viewing 
abilities, used the newer 6.0 printer drivers, and was file
compatible with the WP 6.0 file format. Unfortunatly, few
places using 5.1 were aware it existed.

I still run into a lot of WordPerfect 5.1 stuff. It's amazing
how much of it is still out there.

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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               03-Oct-99 14:49:21
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:

> 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
> seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.

No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
other OSes).

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           03-Oct-99 07:16:11
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37F674B7.E3779F81@adan.kingston.net>, on 10/02/99 at 05:10 PM,
   "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net> said:

> Martin - you will agree that maybe a third to a half of users - namely
> those running their systems in businesses as their key tool for their
> work functions probably should be using NT Workstation rather than
> Windows 9X? Too many businesses are thinking that they are saving money
> by buying the cheaper and less memory demanding Win 9X rather than the
> more stable NT. So Duncan may be right that for some, they should be
> moving to Windows 2000.

There are valid reasons NOT to move to Win2000 vs. the reported upgrade to
Win 98 to Win Millenium. Win 98 supports DOS applications. NT 5 (Win2000)
will not. Many of my law firm clients have custom DOS based
billing/accounting software and/or still use WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS on
their Novell networks.  One spent $50,000 for its time/billing/accounting
package from a firm now gone and no way to upgrade it to another platform.
Another has over 800 gigabytes of client files in WordPerfect 5.1 format
using BitStream Fontware. There ain't anything out there which can convert
those files to OS/2 or Linux or Win Anything properly. Nor, do they
propose to train over 150 employees on new software. With Win 98, they can
and still do run their DOS applications while gaining access to the
software, databases, etc. available only in Win9x format.


--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              03-Oct-99 14:41:02
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

Is this BIOS Featuers changes , after OS/2 is bootet. i have only 512kb to
work. I
find this not OK

Ron Vopicka schrieb:

> WolfgangHaas wrote:
> >
> > Also with the installation of 1 x 128MB or 2 x 64 MB or 1 x 64MB and 2 x
> > 32MB or 3 x  32MB OS/2 only 64 MB detects 128 MB. All possible
modifications
> > in the BIOS did not bring modification!
> >
> >                       Who knows advice?
>
> Wolfgang
>
> You have Award BIOS.
>
> Boot the machine and hit DEL to get into BIOS
>
> Select BIOS Features
>
> somewhere below it should say something like
>
> "OS Select for DRAM > 64MB"
>
> The selection should be "OS/2"  (the (wrong) alternative is non-OS/2)
>
> If it is incorrect, change it and save the changed BIOS.
>
> Let us know what you find.
>
> Ron

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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               03-Oct-99 08:36:08
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: The number one Dead OS

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878

It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell is IBM
thinking?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: bert.steenhoefs@pandora.be                        03-Oct-99 14:59:26
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Installing OS2 on dual-boo WinNT4/Win98 computer

From: "Bert Steenhoefs" <bert.steenhoefs@pandora.be>

Just would like to play around and learn how to use OS2, and wondering if I
can install the Warp version 3 on a 486DX100 computer with Windows NT4 and
Windows98 dual boot.

Will I get Warp as third possibility when starting up the computer? May I be
confident not to mess up other system software?  Should I start up the
computer first in Dos?

Who has some experience in this matter? Lots of thanks for communicating,
eventually tell me where to find info.

Bert Steenhoefs.


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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           03-Oct-99 01:02:16
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: OpenGL

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

Hi

Where can I download OpenGL for Warp3 (if it is free)?

TIA

Rascho
e-mail:rascho@iname.com
ICQ# 49354974

------------------------
Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               03-Oct-99 14:35:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:04:25, Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> 
wrote:
| Try http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4358,2326830,00.html
| I found it by searching ZDNET for OS/2. It led me to it.

Thanks for chiming in, Bob! <warm smile>

--Esther

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From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu                           03-Oct-99 10:42:07
  To: All                                               03-Oct-99 21:38:25
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Paul Coen <pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu>

Winfried Tilanus wrote:
> I agree that WordPerfect 5.1 does all the formatting you need when
> your work is going to be published (and much more than that), and it's
> file format is still one of the best to exchange documents. But I fell
> for the charms of Describe, and I use WP 5.1 nowadays only to check
> the formatting of a text before submitting it.
> 

There was a nice Wordperfect 5.1+ version that came out after 6.0
for DOS was released -- it included some extra layout viewing 
abilities, used the newer 6.0 printer drivers, and was file
compatible with the WP 6.0 file format. Unfortunatly, few
places using 5.1 were aware it existed.

I still run into a lot of WordPerfect 5.1 stuff. It's amazing
how much of it is still out there.

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From: pcguido@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 18:49:25
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: pcguido@attglobal.net

In <37F67653.9344D6EE@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
|Jim Stuyck wrote:
||
|| "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:
||
|| > Frank McKenney wrote:
|| > >
|| > > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
|| > > >Frank McKenney wrote:
|| >
|| > [***SNIP!!!***]
|| >
|| > >
|| > > Well, now that you mention it...
|| > >
|| > > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
|| > > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
|| > > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
|| > > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
|| > > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).

Oh Yeah! Wasn't that a hoot to see & hear? When the little brushes that
read the carriage control tape would get too dirty... whoosh! If you
didn't have a stacker, the paper would stand up off the top of the
printer and go straight across the room.

I was actually lucky enough to see this happen twice. Thanks for the
memory! :)

|| Sounds like someone forgot to punch a hole in his carriage control
|| tape, or screwed up gluing it together and it came apart!  ;-)
|| (I go waaaay back, too.	Been there, done that.)
||
|| > I remember those - in fact, I've seen a program that could take images
|| > in a couple of different formats (seems to me they were pcx and
|| > MacPaint), and convert them to text images. And I remember full well the
|| > 1403 and related line printers - faster than your average laser printer
|| > at pumping out pages of stuff.
||
|| No 1403-N1 could (or can) hold a candle to, say, an IBM 3800 which is
|| a laser machine that uses cut paper, unlike the fanfold of the 1403.  And
|| the 3800 has been around for a looooong time.
||
|| Where have you been?  ;-)
||
|| Jim Stuyck
|
|Sorry - meant the everyday SOHO laser printers. Mind you, I think the
|3800 was after my experiences with the 1403. I do remember a non-IBM
|printer called a Photon, which used lenses, daisy wheels and toner to
|produce scalable fonts and xerographic printing, and the first
|legitimate laser printers I dealt with were the Imagen and the early
|Xerox products - both of which tended to run at 4 or so ppm if lucky.
|
|But I've seen what you refer to: laser printers that run at a speed that
|to the eye approaches that of a printing press. I have also seen the
|invoice for that type of printer - outta my budget! ;)
|--
|
|============================================================
|To respond via e-mail - remove the "go-away-spammers"
|portion of the Reply to: value.
|
|Mark L. Kahnt, C.P. Box 1263, Kingston, Ontario   K7L 4Y8
|Voix:		  (613) 531-8767   Cellulaire: (613) 539-0935
|Telecopieur: (613) 531-8684   Email: kahnt@adan.kingston.net
|
|References to "spam" in the above post refer to any of numerous
|abuse of the Internet to repeatedly place off-topic messages in
|inappropriate or unauthorised locations. The term should in no
|way be construed as involving the products of Hormel Foods
|Corporation.
|
|Further, the use of the term "spam" should in no way be construed
|to imply the support or involvement of Hormel Foods in conjunction
|with such Internet abuse. Indeed, Hormel has publicly expressed
|its disapproval of such actions.
|
|SPAM  is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods for luncheon meat
|and is a damn fine product at that. The author of this signature
|attachment has no legal, commercial or financial involvement with
|Hormel; rather, is active in the fields of copyright, trademark,
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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 16:54:04
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <b2KJ3.941$mp6.45697@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) writes:
>[Posted and mailed]
>In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
>	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
>
>> 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
>> seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.
>
>No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
>versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
>other OSes).

Almost all OS/2 WPs have a graphical output and use the OS/2 
graphical printer drivers, and can't print with wheelprinters.
Almost the only exception I know is WordPerfect/2 v5.2, which
can use its DOS printer drivers.

Does XYWrite have printer drivers for wheelprinters, or does 
it only use the OS/2 graphical drivers?


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 17:02:11
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <37F76B46.5B960C90@drunivac.drew.edu>, Paul Coen <pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu>
writes:
>Winfried Tilanus wrote:

>There was a nice Wordperfect 5.1+ version that came out after 6.0
>for DOS was released -- it included some extra layout viewing 
>abilities, used the newer 6.0 printer drivers, and was file
>compatible with the WP 6.0 file format. Unfortunatly, few
>places using 5.1 were aware it existed.
>
>I still run into a lot of WordPerfect 5.1 stuff. It's amazing
>how much of it is still out there.

It's not that I travel in word processing circles, but for 
years the only thing I heard about WordPerfect was how the 
person had installed v6.0 and run it, and it was so buggy that 
they abandoned it and went back to their v5 and earlier. 
These were DOS people.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    03-Oct-99 18:48:02
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Joe Kovacs (wellmet@attglobal.net) wrote:

: It's not that I travel in word processing circles, but for 
: years the only thing I heard about WordPerfect was how the 
: person had installed v6.0 and run it, and it was so buggy that 
: they abandoned it and went back to their v5 and earlier. 
: These were DOS people.

	WordPerfect 6.0a and 6.0b were buggy from what I remember 
hearing.  It wasn't until 6.0c did WordPerfect get 6.0 right.  Though, 
for anyone still using the 6.x releases of WP for DOS I would probably 
recomment getting 6.1 or the latest (probably last) in 6.2.


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               04-Oct-99 01:40:16
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:22:42, Martin Nisshagen 
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

| InDesign (from the same owner of the older PageMaker and FrameMaker
products):
| http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/main.html
| A worthy, if not the only, package to compete with Quark for professional
DTP.

Thanks for the feedback, Martin; I appreciate it. I haven't been able 
to lay my hands on InDesign yet.

--Esther

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      03-Oct-99 21:22:21
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Esther Schindler [Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:02:05, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
 Hong) wrote:
 
 | I started off with WordPerfect 5.1 and 
 | have been using it ever since.  I'm switching to Describe mainly because 
 | it is easier to do basic DTP functions (ie. adding a graphic) under a GUI 
 | than it is without.  I really don't like what word processors have become 
 | lately.  I mean, if I want to do a webpage, I'd use a HTML editor, not a 
 | word processor.  If I wanted to do serious DTP, then I'd get a serious 
 | DTP program like PageMaker or Ventura.
 
 Ventura's no longer anywhere on top for real DTP. It's Quark, 
 Pagemaker, and arguably Framemaker. (We use Framemaker on the Mac to 
 put together _extended attributes_.)

InDesign (from the same owner of the older PageMaker and FrameMaker products):

http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/main.html

A worthy, if not the only, package to compete with Quark for professional DTP.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               04-Oct-99 01:43:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:49:43, 
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) wrote:

| 	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
| > 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
| > seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.
| 
| No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
| versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
| other OSes).

Er, Rod? That's not correct. DeScribe published a Windows version 
along with the OS/2 version, at least since the OS/2 2.0 days. (They 
had a booth perfectly situated across from the IBM booth at Spring 
Comdex 1992, which is when IBM rolled out 2.0... I picked up some sort
of DeScribe demo version at that show, which was my first experience 
with it.)

Also, DeScribe's background was as a layout program for newspapers. 
(That's why it handled columns so well from the first, but they took 
so long to add footnotes.)

--Esther

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From: judithr9@earthlink.net                            03-Oct-99 08:47:23
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: judithr9@earthlink.net

There is a custom install to just put in parts. I didn't check it as
I wanted to see the whole thing but the directions said one could
install only the bits wanted.  If you have a place for fast
downloads, try the 60MB x2 for linux and OS/2.  It wouldn't take too
long on a T-1. <this from a K56 modem user, alas>

>Ref:     Append at 10:15:06 on 99/10/02 -0700 (by
>judithr9@earthlink.net) Any chance that I can install the
>spreadsheet only on my PCs?  I would like a ss that I can run under
>both OS/2 and LINUX, both of which reside on my desktop and laptop.
>""


Judith Russell       
judithr@primenet.com                    
Saugus Web Coordinator
http://www.hart.k12.ca.us/saugus



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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  03-Oct-99 16:04:16
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Missing (?) AWE32 driver in Win-OS/2

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

The audio card has been working properly in my Warp4 system for years, in 
under Warp3 for years before that. The card has never been installed under 
Win-OS/2, because I never needed it there; I hardly use Win-OS/2.

In following the instructions of the OS/2 documentation for this card, the 
process fails at the point where it should install the second of the four 
drivers to be installed, namely the driver for "SB16 Wave and Midi",  and 
claims that it can't find the driver (in directory 
<boot:>\os2\drivers\sbawed2. But that directory includes a documentation 
file which lists the files necessary for the installation, and even tells 
which driver is assiciated with which function; the file for SB16 Wave and 
Midi is definitely present in the directory, and all the other listed files
are also present.

If anybody has an idea of what might actually be the difficulty here, I 
would be eternally grateful for the information.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.




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From: szrob@ns.net                                      03-Oct-99 16:15:11
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Monitor power down

From: szrob@ns.net (John Roberts)

 windoz/95 has a place on the screen saver tab that allows the monitor
to go into a power down mode.  I used this to drop the wattage to my 
monitor during idle times.  My monitor and the BIOS are energy saver 
compliant.  I don't want cycle the monitor daily.  Is there a place in
OS2 that sets the power usage for the monitor or is there a third 
party program that does this? 
TIA
John Roberts

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 12:22:06
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: Monitor power down

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

szrob@ns.net (John Roberts) wrote:

> windoz/95 has a place on the screen saver tab that allows the monitor
>to go into a power down mode.  I used this to drop the wattage to my 
>monitor during idle times.  My monitor and the BIOS are energy saver 
>compliant.  I don't want cycle the monitor daily.  Is there a place in
>OS2 that sets the power usage for the monitor or is there a third 
>party program that does this? 
>TIA
>John Roberts

There's a few, but for power-saving for the monitor only I
like:

ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/scrnsave/black100.zip

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 12:23:25
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

I think I need a new monitor -- partly thanks to this superb
new Netscape, nowadays I'm apt to have 4-5 browser windows
open along with a dozen folders, not to mention the standard
retinue of apps.  I'm running out of screen real estate.

So, I went to Office Max yesterday afternoon to look at a
few.  What I've got right now is your basic 14" Sony
(Multiscan 100ES) being driven by a Matrox Mystique with 4
meg onboard, running 1024x768 at 85 Hz.  The Sony does the
APM thing quite nicely with Staffan Ulfberg's blackout
program.

Here's what I'm looking at:  

* KDS US-TE: 16" viewable, .27mm dot pitch. max resolution
1280x1024 60 Hz refresh rate ($220)

* Phillips 19" (18" viewable) .26mm dot pitch, max rez
1600x1200, 75 HZ refresh rate ($300)

* Provia PX982 (I think, now I can't read my handwriting),
19" (17.9" viewable) .026 dot pitch (!??) ($400)

Of the three, the last one looked the best, plus it had an
"approved for low radiation in Sweden" sticker on the top. 
But, both that and the Phillips are sorta big for my desk,
not to mention my wallet.

What I'm wondering is this: anyone else who's made this
sort of a switch -- is going from 14" to 16" viewable a
substantial change, or will I be frustrated?  How important
is the refresh rate?  And where's the tradeoff between
granularity, color depth, and refresh rate?  That is, if I
do get one of these things, will I now be able to run
1280X1024x16777216 (would I want to?) at the speed of light,
or will the Matrox be what constrains me?

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                03-Oct-99 19:49:29
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

Hi Ray,
	I went from a 14" Princeton to a 17" Optiquest V775 using a 4
MB Mystique 220 PCI.  The difference was well worth it IMO.  I run at
1280X1024, true color, at 75 MHz refresh and am very satisfied.  The
card will do 1600X1200, but my monitor only goes to 66 MHz refresh at
that resolution, and it's simply too jittery for comfort. 
Furthermore, I found the text to be far too small at that resolution
anyway.  If you go to 19" though you should be able to pull off
1600X1200.  However, at what I'm at, I've written a dissertation,
worked day-in, day-out for a year and a half, and now waste my time
online in absolute comfort.  Your card will do OK IMO (check the
manual and it'll tell you how high refresh can be at 1280X1024 and at
1600X1200; look for 75 MHz minimum, 85+ even better if you go
1600X1200).  Get a monitor with high refresh rates and check it out
at the store well beforehand, at the resolution you plan on using. 
Oh, and don't try to put it on the motorcycle to take it home... 
Happy shopping!
Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                03-Oct-99 19:54:01
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

Oops!  Refresh rates are in Hz, not MHz, of course...  Also, I forgot
to mention that the manual for the Mystique 220 PCI states that at
1600X1280 it can do up to 80 Hz and up to 100 Hz at 1280X1024.  I've
not gotten more than 66 and 75 due to my monitor, like I said.  Say,
what drivers are you using for the Matrox?

Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 16:27:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <37f73925$2$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> writes:
>On <c1.2b8.2SPYG9$0Ip@cast.grid.ibm.net>, on 10/03/99 at 02:46 AM,
>   wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) said:
>
>
>> Yes, that's the one, where's that, Esther?  There were 
>> comments about it, but no one mentioned an issue or url.
>
>> I looked through PCMag's site and it was as you said.  If it  was there,
>> it was well salted away. 
>
>Try http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4358,2326830,00.html
>
>I found it by searching ZDNET for OS/2. It led me to it.

Well, following Esther's post a couple of days ago, I searched 
zdnet for "os/2", then Schindler, then the two together.
Then I went to PCMag and did the same.  Lots of articles came 
up, but almost nothing in 1999, and not that one.

Following her latest post, I went to zdnet/sr, to the Sm@rt 
Reseller site and did the same.  Same thing.  Lots of
articles, but not that one.

With this, I clicked on that url above (OS/2 v4, NS 4.61GA,
using mailer and browser) and got this back...

================================================
 ZDY2K

SORRY...

but we were unable to find the page you have requested.

Please try the following options:

Check the URL you have typed in. If you clicked on a link from
a story at ZDNet please send a message to brokenlink@zd.com.
Please include a copy of the URL in question.

Use the drop-down navigation menu at the top of this page to
choose a ZD site or topic and go directly to that area.

Use the Search box in the left-hand column to find what you
are looking for.

Click on any of the links to the left to go to a new area.

Click on the ZDNet logo in the top left corner of this page to
go to our front page.

If you are still unable to find the information you need
please write to us by clicking on CONTACT ZD in the navigation
bar at bottom of this page.
=================================================

Surely your setup is similar.  I wonder what the difference
is.

Zdnet got what they wanted.  I had to wade through two hours
of advertisements.

Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    03-Oct-99 17:11:11
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Robert Dohrenburg (rdohrenburg@hotmail.com) wrote:

: I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
: controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
: works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.

	Interesting...  What filesize and date of the IBM1S506 driver are 
you using?

: BTW the size and date of the file is 24136 1998/09/30 21:14:00
: IBMIDECD.FLT From FixPack12

	1998 did you say?  The latest driver for that and IBM1S506 is 
found in the DDPak_01.  Both should be dated to July of 1999.


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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           03-Oct-99 13:24:21
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
> 
> I think I need a new monitor -- partly thanks to this superb
> new Netscape, nowadays I'm apt to have 4-5 browser windows
> open along with a dozen folders, not to mention the standard
> retinue of apps.  I'm running out of screen real estate.
> 
> So, I went to Office Max yesterday afternoon to look at a
> few.  What I've got right now is your basic 14" Sony
> (Multiscan 100ES) being driven by a Matrox Mystique with 4
> meg onboard, running 1024x768 at 85 Hz.  The Sony does the
> APM thing quite nicely with Staffan Ulfberg's blackout
> program.
> 
> Here's what I'm looking at:
> 
> * KDS US-TE: 16" viewable, .27mm dot pitch. max resolution
> 1280x1024 60 Hz refresh rate ($220)
> 
> * Phillips 19" (18" viewable) .26mm dot pitch, max rez
> 1600x1200, 75 HZ refresh rate ($300)
> 
> * Provia PX982 (I think, now I can't read my handwriting),
> 19" (17.9" viewable) .026 dot pitch (!??) ($400)
> 
> Of the three, the last one looked the best, plus it had an
> "approved for low radiation in Sweden" sticker on the top.
> But, both that and the Phillips are sorta big for my desk,
> not to mention my wallet.
> 
> What I'm wondering is this: anyone else who's made this
> sort of a switch -- is going from 14" to 16" viewable a
> substantial change, or will I be frustrated?  How important
> is the refresh rate?  And where's the tradeoff between
> granularity, color depth, and refresh rate?  That is, if I
> do get one of these things, will I now be able to run
> 1280X1024x16777216 (would I want to?) at the speed of light,
> or will the Matrox be what constrains me?
> 
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

I've worked with monitors of sizes from 12" to 21", and the main result
that I've seen is that whatever size monitor you get, chances are you
will maximise the main window you are working with to put the most info
on screen or to permit yourself to zoom in far more. Having said that,
you would most want a fast graphic card with scads of top speed memory
on it, as this is what gives you the clarity and additional screen real
estate. 1600x1200x16777216 would be a "2 page full colour" display,
requiring 8MB on the graphics card and providing the ability to display
2 pages of information cleanly side by side on the screen. If your
productivity is improved by this much greater clarity and screen room,
it is very quickly capable of paying for the price difference between a
smaller and a larger monitor.

My first large monitor, a 19" NEC Multisync xl, was driven by a (get
this) 256KB Super VGA card. When I first sat down at it, the VGA driver
had been installed, so on this behemoth, I was getting 640x480x16
colours! I upped it to 800x600x16, but it wasn't until I replaced the
512KB graphic card in my home system with a 1MB card and took the 512KB
card into work to replace the 256KB one that I had a faintly passable
resolution for that size screen (1024x768x16). I joked for a few years
after that how I was having to provide computer parts to my then
employer so that I could do my job. ;) When the 19" monitor was retired
after 7 years and noticeable burn-in effects, I ended up with a Compaq
21" and a 4 MB graphic card - finally True Colour at 1024x768.
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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    03-Oct-99 15:49:01
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Werid problem with process commander after FP12

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

Hi,
	I've successfully installed FP12 and DDPak FP1. As usual after first
booting up, I had to run PCINSDLL to rehook Process Commander. However this
time it gave the following message:



Installing Keyboard Driver...
Installing Hooks...
ERROR: The E:\OS2\DLL\DOSCALL1.DLL DLL must have exactly one Imported Module
Nam
e
Use the /DOSCALL:xxx parameter using a correct DOSCALL1.DLL file.
ERROR: the loaded DOSCALL1.DLL is not valid.
Installing Enhanced Pmshell...
Installing Fullscreen Process Commander...



I can get to FS Process Commander without a problem using by pre-programmed
keystroke. So is this a problem I should worry about?


Cheng-Yang Tan
cytan@fnal.gov

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      03-Oct-99 20:34:09
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: Installing OS2 on dual-boo WinNT4/Win98 computer

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Bert Steenhoefs [Pandora-- Met vlotte tred op Internet] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 Just would like to play around and learn how to use OS2, and wondering if I
 can install the Warp version 3 on a 486DX100 computer with Windows NT4 and
 Windows98 dual boot.
 
 Will I get Warp as third possibility when starting up the computer? May I be

You mean to your existing boot menu, NT Loader?

Yes. You can get the OS/2 boot manager as an option in that menu just like
your normal NT selections and other systems like Win98, DOS, LILO, etc.

See my WinNT boot loader links at the FAQ & Info section on this page for more
details about this: http://home2.sbbs2.com/mn/start/Resources.html

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             03-Oct-99 18:57:12
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

From: jsjones@selectric.net

You are presumably using the MSI 6167 motherboard, which is so new it isn't
yet 
listed on their German web pages. This seems likely to use an Intel chipset,
as 
all their other boards do. You are running OS/2 v4 with a recent fixpack
(FP10, 
I think). You should NOT need to set OS/2 ---> 64MB in the BIOS; you will do 
better with it disabled.

AMD's web pages don't have much info on the Athlon 500 CPU, yet, but they 
do specifically state OS/2 is supported. As mentioned, www.msi-computer.de 
doesn't even mention your MB. I can't connect to their English pages at 
www.msi.com.tw. As it is now Monday morning in Taiwan, I would guess they 
are either down due to the earthquake or they are overloaded with support
inquiries.

If you are genuinely having problems with a brand new board and CPU, you 
need to report this to AMD *and* MSI (both German and international) support.
There is no obvious reason why the full 128 megabytes of memory should 
not be recognized and used by your system. And, more important, there is 
nothing you can do with BIOS or OS/2 settings to change that.

That said, no two memory utilities I've found for OS/2 report the same number
or *any* number in the same way. Your report of only 512KB available, for 
example, sounds like it came from System Resources by Richard Papo. This is 
not an unusual number for that utility. Here is an excerpt from the help file:

	Physical Memory Free - The amount of system memory available, 
	according to the DosMemAvail function.
 	Note:   This function is part of the old 16-bit system, and only 
	reports physical memory below 16Mb, and was also altered just 
	before OS/2 2.0 was released to never report less than 512K.

So, it's kind of a useless number, really. In principle, you could have your
entire 
112MB over the first 16 free and still have only 512K reported.

I decided to stop worrying and assume my system is using the full 96MB
installed.
This is what's reported by a tiny new utility called mem.exe (available from 
hobbes and leo) and I no longer notice any swapping after initial boot up,
which 
I did get occasionally with 64. I would suggest you set an initial swap size
at 
least twice as large as you ever expect the (swapper.dat) file to grow.

In <37F75CF1.12ED0668@swol.de>, WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de> writes:
>Is this BIOS Featuers changes , after OS/2 is bootet. i have only 512kb to
work. I
>find this not OK

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: mhammoc@ibm.net                                   03-Oct-99 20:10:17
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: TP 390E Modem

From: Mike Hammock <mhammoc@ibm.net>

What's the trick to making OS/2 recgonize the Lucent modem in my new
TP390E ??  I realize I can't run it 'fast', but thought that I should be
able
to connect at 28800 or so. I did install the modem driver, and it
doesn't
complain, but the IBM Dialer does not 'find' the model at any COM (1-3).

What's the trick?

  Thanks
  Mike

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From: cstumpf@monmouth.com                              03-Oct-99 21:46:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: "Chris Stumpf" <cstumpf@monmouth.com>

I had something similar happen to me.  I only lost one partition though.  I
was able to recover the data in the partition using of all things DriveImage
Pro from PowerQuest.  I would borrow a copy and then boot off a boot disk and
run DriveImage to find out if it can see the partitions.  If it can, then you
will need another hard drive of equal or larger size.  Have DriveImage
transfer the data/partitions to the new disk from the old one.  You should
then be able to remove the old drive and make the new drive your boot disk
and be back in business.  A word of warning, when I did this, I lost some
long filenames and directory names because some ea's got damaged.  If you run
into this problem, let me know and I can try and help you get past it.


On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:38:31 GMT, ronblatt@my-deja.com wrote:

:>Due to a series of thoughtless actions, my partition table is lost. I'm
:>currently booted to the command-line (I'm using my roommate's computer
:>to post this) and can run fdisk, DFSee, any other OS/2 commandline app.
:>Is there someway I can recreate the partition table from what the system
:>currently has loaded? I remember the sizes of the first few partitions,
:>so could I go into fdisk and remake the partitions as they were before?
:>I'm afraid if I do that or reboot as-is I'll simply lose everything. Is
:>that true? If I reboot with a floppy will I still be able to see my
:>partitions? What if I use a Linux floppy? Are there any Linux utilities
:>I could use to recreate the partition table? Thanks for any help
:>
:>A very desperate
:>


		Chris Stumpf
		C.S.E. Computer Services
		Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
		Serenity Systems Channel Partner
		IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
		

web:    http://cse.anterras.net
email:	cse@anterras.net
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From: lazaga1@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 13:05:07
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 10-3-99, 4:23:50 PM, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael 
Tennenbaum) wrote regarding New monitor questions:


> I think I need a new monitor -- partly thanks to this superb
> new Netscape, nowadays I'm apt to have 4-5 browser windows
> open along with a dozen folders, not to mention the standard
> retinue of apps.  I'm running out of screen real estate.

> So, I went to Office Max yesterday afternoon to look at a
> few.  What I've got right now is your basic 14" Sony
> (Multiscan 100ES) being driven by a Matrox Mystique with 4
> meg onboard, running 1024x768 at 85 Hz.  The Sony does the
> APM thing quite nicely with Staffan Ulfberg's blackout
> program.

> Here's what I'm looking at:

> * KDS US-TE: 16" viewable, .27mm dot pitch. max resolution
> 1280x1024 60 Hz refresh rate ($220)

> * Phillips 19" (18" viewable) .26mm dot pitch, max rez
> 1600x1200, 75 HZ refresh rate ($300)

> * Provia PX982 (I think, now I can't read my handwriting),
> 19" (17.9" viewable) .026 dot pitch (!??) ($400)

> Of the three, the last one looked the best, plus it had an
> "approved for low radiation in Sweden" sticker on the top.
> But, both that and the Phillips are sorta big for my desk,
> not to mention my wallet.

> What I'm wondering is this: anyone else who's made this
> sort of a switch -- is going from 14" to 16" viewable a
> substantial change, or will I be frustrated?  How important
> is the refresh rate?  And where's the tradeoff between
> granularity, color depth, and refresh rate?  That is, if I
> do get one of these things, will I now be able to run
> 1280X1024x16777216 (would I want to?) at the speed of light,
> or will the Matrox be what constrains me?

> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

Once you use a larger monitor you will never be able to go back to the 
smaller one.  I personally use a Kleer K7, .28mm (sell them too) with 
a Matrox Millineum II 8MB set at 75Hz with the SDD driver.  Works well 
at 1280x1024x65K.  I think the 16M color is a bit of an overkill, at 
least my eyes have never been able to tell the difference.  The change 
from 60Hz to 75Hz definitely is easier on the eyes if you start at 
these things all day.

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@attglobal.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    03-Oct-99 21:20:13
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
> Using the RSU methid, the installation of IBM's latest
> FixPack release (FP12) was a piece of cake this morning.

Here it has turned into a nightmare. I got increasingly bizarre error
messages and the system is now totally wedged.

HOW DO I BACK OUT of a fixpack from the text-mode command line accessible
early at boot time? The system won't go any further.

More detailed history and symptoms:

The system started at FP11 and has a new CDRW (SCSI) that replaces a CDROM
(IDE), but that configuration was working for 2 days prior to FP12.

The RSU installation went as far as the reboot. First problem was that it
announced that device VCSHDD.SYS was bad. Pressing "enter" lets the
process continue, and all the other device drivers load, but then the
system comes to a crashing halt (C-A-D does not work) with the message
that:

"The file PMMERGE->PMVIOP.122 specified in the PROTSHELL statement on line
2 of the CONFIG.SYS file does not contain a valid program.
Line 2 is ignored.
System stopped..."

Now, the CONFIG.SYS does not contain any such nonsense, its line 2 is the
perfectly normal PROTSHELL=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE

I'd rather not have to reinstall everything from the beginning!

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             03-Oct-99 20:36:05
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <c1.2b8.2SPvTR$0Is@cast.grid.ibm.net>, wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>In <37f73925$2$obot$mr2ice@news.pics.com>, Bob Germer
<bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> writes:
>>On <c1.2b8.2SPYG9$0Ip@cast.grid.ibm.net>, on 10/03/99 at 02:46 AM,
>>   wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) said:
>>
>>> Yes, that's the one, where's that, Esther?  There were 
>>> comments about it, but no one mentioned an issue or url.
>>
>>> I looked through PCMag's site and it was as you said.  If it  was there,
>>> it was well salted away. 
>>
>>Try http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4358,2326830,00.html
>>
>>I found it by searching ZDNET for OS/2. It led me to it.
>
>Well, following Esther's post a couple of days ago, I searched 
>zdnet for "os/2", then Schindler, then the two together.
>Then I went to PCMag and did the same.  Lots of articles came 
>up, but almost nothing in 1999, and not that one.
>
>Following her latest post, I went to zdnet/sr, to the Sm@rt 
>Reseller site and did the same.  Same thing.  Lots of
>articles, but not that one.
>
>With this, I clicked on that url above (OS/2 v4, NS 4.61GA,
>using mailer and browser) and got this back...

OK, thank you, I found it, searching in 
www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/ on OS/2, and not "OS/2".

Good article.

It was 'Shhh! IBM's still selling OS/2', Sm@rt Reseller, 
09-02-1999.  So if you want to find that particular one, 
search on Shhh!.

The url above worked from within www.zdnet.com/sr, but not 
from the outside.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: ronblatt@my-deja.com                              03-Oct-99 23:38:15
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Help!! Partition table lost

From: ronblatt@my-deja.com

Due to a series of thoughtless actions, my partition table is lost. I'm
currently booted to the command-line (I'm using my roommate's computer
to post this) and can run fdisk, DFSee, any other OS/2 commandline app.
Is there someway I can recreate the partition table from what the system
currently has loaded? I remember the sizes of the first few partitions,
so could I go into fdisk and remake the partitions as they were before?
I'm afraid if I do that or reboot as-is I'll simply lose everything. Is
that true? If I reboot with a floppy will I still be able to see my
partitions? What if I use a Linux floppy? Are there any Linux utilities
I could use to recreate the partition table? Thanks for any help

A very desperate


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: JNiffen@IBM.Net                                   03-Oct-99 21:22:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Yamaha 4416S with a ASUS T2P4 motherboard

From: JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net>

I recently, purchased a Yamaha 4416S CDROM recorder, rewriter player.  I
have attempted to install it in a ASUS P55T2P4 PSC00 motherboard with on
board Adaptec 7880 SCSI bios ver 1.24.  

The SCSI will not reconize the Yahama but it will see an old NEC 841
CDROM.  I have tried the setup with the Yamaha as the terminated and ID
of 3 and the NEC as 2 or 5 but the Adaptec setup utilities on the board
will not acknowledge the Yamaha exist.  I have even tried the Yamaha
alone on the system.  

One thing funny is I noticed the the SCSI setting will not accept a
change and the controller is at ID 15 not at 7.  I am using the
Ultra/UltraWide connection. Also I have an 8 gig WD Hard drive and an
Imation Superfloppy.  I have not installed any software except for PC
DOS 7.0 and the adaptec drivers for DOS.  So, what I am wondering if I
need to update the Yamaha BIOS, but will it do that if the controller
can't see the CDROM.

Any clues?  

Thank you for your time in this matter.

I have sent a similar e-mail to Yamaha, if I don't here from them by
Tuesday I am going to return the drive and save more money for a
Plextor.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              03-Oct-99 18:06:14
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

You're gonna have to tell us more about how you lost it. What you did
will probably affect recoverability.

Graham.

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From: rajames@islandnet.com                             03-Oct-99 21:11:10
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: rajames@islandnet.com (Richard James)

In article <37f55957_4@news1.prserv.net>, fheitka@ibm.net says...
> I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
> OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
> NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
> letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
> arrange drive letters based on the startable
> or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?
> 
> I have DOS, Windows 95 and NT on the first primary
> partition, OS/2 on the second, and the rest of the
> partitions are extended and are a mixture of
> HPFS, VFAT, and FAT32. THe bootmanager appears to
> be installed at the end (last partition) of the disk. 

I suspect that your problem is that NT is seeing the HPFS partitions but 
is unable to use them. This results in NT giving them drive letters based 
on their sequence on the HD, which is not what you want.... This is 
apparently because NTFS and HPFS use the same format type code (weird, 
stupid).

I had the same problem. My solution was to use the OS/2 version of 
Partition magic (Ver 3) to hide the OS/2 partitions. It's pedestrian, but 
I only have OS/2 left on the machine in case I need to look at archive 
files that the Windows versions of the software cant read.
 
> I thought that if I could move bootmanager to the first
> partition of the disk I could fix my problem. I
> have Partition Magic, but it wont let me move
> bootmanager.

Correct, it wont....


-- 
From an Island in the Pacific,

Richard James, Victoria, BC

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 23:45:21
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net> wrote:

>....>
>Once you use a larger monitor you will never be able to go back to the 
>smaller one.  I personally use a Kleer K7, .28mm (sell them too) with 
>a Matrox Millineum II 8MB set at 75Hz with the SDD driver.  Works well 
>at 1280x1024x65K.  I think the 16M color is a bit of an overkill, at 
>least my eyes have never been able to tell the difference.  The change 
>from 60Hz to 75Hz definitely is easier on the eyes if you start at 
>these things all day.

I've never been able to see anything different about 16M
color, either.  I'm looking at your monitor page, and both
the K7 and the P7 look pretty good.  You might be hearing
from me...

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 23:53:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:08
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) wrote:

>In <b2KJ3.941$mp6.45697@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) writes:
>>[Posted and mailed]
>>In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
>>	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
>>
>>> 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
>>> seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.
>>
>>No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
>>versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
>>other OSes).
>
>Almost all OS/2 WPs have a graphical output and use the OS/2 
>graphical printer drivers, and can't print with wheelprinters.
>Almost the only exception I know is WordPerfect/2 v5.2, which
>can use its DOS printer drivers.
>
>Does XYWrite have printer drivers for wheelprinters, or does 
>it only use the OS/2 graphical drivers?

Gosh, I haven't used one of those in years -- an old Okidata
from about 1986, I think.  But it worked ok, and even if
that's a few versions of Xywrite ago, I'd imagine someone
somewhere has printer drivers for it, if they're not still
bundled with the product.  

Things never got to the point between IBM and Xywrite that
Xy used OS/2 subsystem to that degree: it's pure DOS app. 
Where the OS/2-i-zation of Xy really took was in redesigning
the way it uses memory, and enforcing CUA compliance: hence,
XyIII was never stable for me under OS/2, but Xy4 has never
failed.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               04-Oct-99 04:32:02
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <c1.2b8.2SPw4c$0It@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
	wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) writes:
> In <b2KJ3.941$mp6.45697@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) writes:
>>[Posted and mailed]
>>In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
>>	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
>>
>>> 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
>>> seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.
>>
>>No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
>>versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
>>other OSes).
> 
> Almost all OS/2 WPs have a graphical output and use the OS/2 
> graphical printer drivers, and can't print with wheelprinters.
> Almost the only exception I know is WordPerfect/2 v5.2, which
> can use its DOS printer drivers.

I've not tried it with a daisy wheel printer (I got rid of mine before I
got OS/2), but DeScribe does have an option to "print using built-in
printer fonts" (or language to that effect).  I'd imagine that would work
with daisy wheel printers.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: OS2Guy@WarpCity.com                               03-Oct-99 21:34:21
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com>

Pierre Jelenc wrote:

> Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
> > Using the RSU methid, the installation of IBM's latest
> > FixPack release (FP12) was a piece of cake this morning.
>
> Here it has turned into a nightmare. I got increasingly bizarre error
> messages and the system is now totally wedged.
>
> HOW DO I BACK OUT of a fixpack from the text-mode command line accessible
> early at boot time? The system won't go any further.
>
> More detailed history and symptoms:
>
> The system started at FP11 and has a new CDRW (SCSI) that replaces a CDROM
> (IDE), but that configuration was working for 2 days prior to FP12.
>
> The RSU installation went as far as the reboot. First problem was that it
> announced that device VCSHDD.SYS was bad. Pressing "enter" lets the
> process continue, and all the other device drivers load, but then the
> system comes to a crashing halt (C-A-D does not work) with the message
> that:
>
> "The file PMMERGE->PMVIOP.122 specified in the PROTSHELL statement on line
> 2 of the CONFIG.SYS file does not contain a valid program.
> Line 2 is ignored.
> System stopped..."
>
> Now, the CONFIG.SYS does not contain any such nonsense, its line 2 is the
> perfectly normal PROTSHELL=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
>
> I'd rather not have to reinstall everything from the beginning!
>
> Pierre
> --
> Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
>                                |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
> The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
>    http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

Gosh, Pierre, I dunno.  Trevor Hemsley is an absolute expert
in this area.  I just finished several hours with a Warp City
member who is finally back online.  He had upgraded to FP12
without a problem then tried the beta release of SDD and it
it screwed up video.  He didn't want to but had no other recourse
but to reinstall OS/2 from scratch.

Once reinstalled he tried upgrading to FP12 and hit a trap
error and the system would not go on any further.  He couldn't
back out the FP12 so he reinstalled again and posted in the
setup newsgroup.  There Trevor advised he rem out the sound
card statement and try again.  By then he had contacted me
and I advised he upgrade the sound card driver before upgrading
to FP12 again.  He did that then tried FP12 and it worked.

Before starting that RSU IBM should offer a small Uninstall
program for download 'just in case'.  The WC member was so
frustrated he was ready to throw in the OS/2 towel.

Trevor is here:

Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com

Tim...


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 04-Oct-99 00:35:08
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)
spake unto us, saying:

>Here it has turned into a nightmare. I got increasingly bizarre error
>messages and the system is now totally wedged.
>
>HOW DO I BACK OUT of a fixpack from the text-mode command line accessible
>early at boot time? The system won't go any further.

Sorry, Pierre -- this isn't necessarily directed at you, and I know it
isn't directly helpful.  But why on earth do so many people insist on
applying operating system upgrades without making backups?

The simple answer to your question is "restore your OS/2 boot partition
from backup", and that's all I need to know myself (since I always take
a system snapshot before messing with my OS installations), but in your
case it's gonna be somewhat more involved.  *Sigh*.  :-(  I hate seeing
people nailed by problems which are easily preventable.  :-(

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                ...for they are subtle and quick to anger.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 23:30:14
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

"OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>	I went from a 14" Princeton to a 17" Optiquest V775 using a 4
>MB Mystique 220 PCI.  The difference was well worth it IMO.  I run at
>1280X1024, true color, at 75 MHz refresh and am very satisfied.  The
>card will do 1600X1200, but my monitor only goes to 66 MHz refresh at
>that resolution, and it's simply too jittery for comfort. 
>Furthermore, I found the text to be far too small at that resolution
>anyway.  If you go to 19" though you should be able to pull off
>1600X1200.  However, at what I'm at, I've written a dissertation,
>worked day-in, day-out for a year and a half, and now waste my time
>online in absolute comfort.  Your card will do OK IMO (check the
>manual and it'll tell you how high refresh can be at 1280X1024 and at
>1600X1200; look for 75 MHz minimum, 85+ even better if you go
>1600X1200).  Get a monitor with high refresh rates and check it out
>at the store well beforehand, at the resolution you plan on using. 

That last bit especially is good advice & appreciated,
except at most of these stores the monitors aren't connected
to anything, instead they have some digital video running. 
Refresh rates is something else I've never understood -- of
course I should be used to higher numbers meaning faster,
but in this case since I'm running at 85 Hz already, I guess
it means that switching to 75 (60 certainly) might be a
noticeable slowdown.  Definitely good to know I probably
should avoid the $220 one with only 60Hz refresh, I guess.  

>Oh, and don't try to put it on the motorcycle to take it home... 

I knew I should of got the R1!  Actually the monitor might
even outweigh the bike...  Thanks, Grecque.

>Happy shopping!
>Regards,
>

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 04-Oct-99 00:12:05
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Ideas about IBM...

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Maybe now is the time for all good OS/2ers to line up -- and
put all these new internet pricing and marketing models to
use.  There's the group buying model we were just discussing
wrt Symantec, right?  Maybe the time has come to form our
own user association for the purpose of dealing with IBM.

Surely we'd get much further with Big Blue by putting
together some kind of delegation with certifiable grassroots
support to gather and distribute information -- not from a
muckraking (let along bickering) vantage point, but in
collaborative fashion.  Ok, IBM, we don't want to be
confrontational (heh heh), but we politely and respectfully
need to know:

* What kind of hardware support can we anticipate
continuing?

* A new client?

* Any chance of a bit of work being done to port two or
three of the big 'net plug-ins?  (RealAudio, of course,
maybe Shockwave?)

* u name it.

Of course, IBM's got a black eye with many (all?) of us,
because no matter how much understanding we may have for the
reasons why, the fact of their having all but abandoned end-
users is hard to get around.  And no one here doesn't
understand that they've spent the last two+ years all but
telling us to get lost.  What we need now is to organize a
civil and businesslike delegation that represents all the ng
supporters of OS/2 to find out what we need to know so we
can each of us decide *whether*.  Who knows, if that would
work, conceivably we could move onto an organization through
which we could purchase SOftware Choice subscriptions at a
group rate?  

Under the circumstances that might not be an unappealing
model.  IBM is a step removed from end-user support (clearly
its greatest nightmare), while we as a group can save, and
have a reliable conduit of information and a purchasing
resource.  

Java is the big thing, and OTOH, as distressing as the idea
that IBM taking Java subscription-only, you could also view
it as in fact encouraging: surely they would not believe
that they could sell their JVM if they didn't think it was
pretty damned good, and let's face it: it's the best around. 
(As far as I can tell, so is Netscape 4.61).  After bailed
on all the other cross-whatever stuff -- PowerPC to CORBA to
Quicktime and whatever -- at least IBM stuck with Java to
the hilt.  

Just some thoughts,


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 03-Oct-99 23:39:12
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

"Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net> wrote:

>shnip>
>I've worked with monitors of sizes from 12" to 21", and the main result
>that I've seen is that whatever size monitor you get, chances are you
>will maximise the main window you are working with to put the most info
>on screen or to permit yourself to zoom in far more. Having said that,
>you would most want a fast graphic card with scads of top speed memory
>on it, as this is what gives you the clarity and additional screen real
>estate. 1600x1200x16777216 would be a "2 page full colour" display,
>requiring 8MB on the graphics card and providing the ability to display
>2 pages of information cleanly side by side on the screen. 

I'd hope the MGA Mystique with 4 meg should do me at least
for a while.  I don't really need that much color depth,
just more space at sort of the depth I've got.  Actually, I
used a monochrome monitor for years before I got this Sony,
and while I can't say I miss it, it wasn't really that bad. 
For a while I was gonna replace it with a gigantic
monochrome monitor, but these are of course only more
expensive.

If your
>productivity is improved by this much greater clarity and screen room,
>it is very quickly capable of paying for the price difference between a
>smaller and a larger monitor.

I only wish I could try'em out on this desk.  It's hard at
the stores: they only seem to configure them to run in VGA,
and of course they're showing them on Windoze, which doesn't
really look that familiar to me the way OS/2 does.

>My first large monitor, a 19" NEC Multisync xl, was driven by a (get
>this) 256KB Super VGA card. When I first sat down at it, the VGA driver
>had been installed, so on this behemoth, I was getting 640x480x16
>colours! I upped it to 800x600x16, but it wasn't until I replaced the
>512KB graphic card in my home system with a 1MB card and took the 512KB
>card into work to replace the 256KB one that I had a faintly passable
>resolution for that size screen (1024x768x16). I joked for a few years
>after that how I was having to provide computer parts to my then
>employer so that I could do my job. ;) When the 19" monitor was retired
>after 7 years and noticeable burn-in effects, I ended up with a Compaq
>21" and a 4 MB graphic card - finally True Colour at 1024x768.

Yeah, I could see being addicted to a large screen.  In fact
I'm a bit scared of bringing home something, being happy
with it for three months, and then wishing I'd shelled out a
bit more to get something REALLY big.  I might skip lunch
for a few months and see about the Provia after all. 
Thanks, Mark.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             04-Oct-99 01:38:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <UzTquBBFVYHy-pn2-9h9FHjLZwpus@Zeus>, bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis) writes:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:24:56, wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
>
>> In <UzTquBBFVYHy-pn2-4ZU59v0BlTd1@Zeus>, bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)
writes:
>> >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878
>> >> 
>> >> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell
is IBM
>> >> thinking?
>> 
>> >That survey doesn't count because there's only
>> >two of us using OS/2, it's your turn to vote the
>> >next 3000 times. ;-O
>> 
>> O where have we heard that before.

>Dude.............this was my shallow attempt
>at some humor.

I thought so.  That's why I responded humorously.  You can 
tell by the O.

Then I got more serious.  It's a good survey.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               04-Oct-99 04:50:13
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

In article <c1.2b8.2SQ0lr$0Iw@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
	wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) writes:
>>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878
>>> 
>>> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell is
IBM
>>> thinking?
> 
> _That is a good survey. Big time.  We know how the survey 
> was taken, know the questions that were asked and so can 
> discuss biases in them.  We know how the responses were 
> analyzed and can look at the results and evaluate them for 
> ourselves.  There are lots of details in the presented
> results, lots of juice. There are lots of responses, and 
> from all over.  The survey operators didn't bias the 
> results with analysis or comments.
> 
> There are a couple of hints that the results were _not
> loaded (Ha!).  First, there are 324 comments with 3200
> responses for OS/2, which is a lot of comments, a high
> ratio.  Second, I travel in OS/2 circles and didn't
> see a call to load this survey.

I disagree that this is a good survey, from a scientific point of view. 
First, it appears that anybody can respond.  That introduces a huge dose
of selection bias, and it means that we DO NOT know anything at all about
the respondents.  Second, the number of responses for each OS is way out
of proportion to the relative number of installed copies of each OS. 
(The OS with the most responses is OS/2, followed closely by Linux. 
Those two combined outnumber ALL Microsoft OSes, including DOS and
Windows 2000 betas.)  This suggests a very poor sample, probably driven
by advocacy rather than proper sampling techniques (no surprise, really,
given that anybody can respond).  Third, as near as I can tell, there's
no way to determine how many people rated multiple OSes, or WHICH
multiple OSes they rated.  (If nobody rated multiple OSes, the whole
thing is nearly worthless, since people weren't comparing the OSes.) 
Fourth, there's no sign that the site has applied appropriate statistical
corrections for multi-OS ratings.  Fifth, even if the site includes
mechanisms to reject multiple ratings for a single OS from one IP address
or some such, it wouldn't be difficult for somebody to rate an OS
multiple times by using different computers or just separate dialups using
a dialup PPP account.

In sum, it's a very, very poor example of a survey.  Of course, the same
is true of most Internet-based surveys, and for the same reasons.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: abeagley@datatone.com                             04-Oct-99 01:10:26
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>

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And I don't think there was anything to prevent a person from voting more than 
once
either.

Yet IBM even quoted these figures in one of their e-mailed bulletins a few
weeks ago,

Alan Beagley


Rod Smith wrote:

> In article <c1.2b8.2SQ0lr$0Iw@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
>         wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) writes:
> >>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878
> >>>
> >>> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell
is IBM
> >>> thinking?
> >
> > _That is a good survey. Big time.  We know how the survey
> > was taken, know the questions that were asked and so can
> > discuss biases in them.  We know how the responses were
> > analyzed and can look at the results and evaluate them for
> > ourselves.  There are lots of details in the presented
> > results, lots of juice. There are lots of responses, and
> > from all over.  The survey operators didn't bias the
> > results with analysis or comments.
> >
> > There are a couple of hints that the results were _not
> > loaded (Ha!).  First, there are 324 comments with 3200
> > responses for OS/2, which is a lot of comments, a high
> > ratio.  Second, I travel in OS/2 circles and didn't
> > see a call to load this survey.
>
> I disagree that this is a good survey, from a scientific point of view.
> First, it appears that anybody can respond.  That introduces a huge dose
> of selection bias, and it means that we DO NOT know anything at all about
> the respondents.  Second, the number of responses for each OS is way out
> of proportion to the relative number of installed copies of each OS.
> (The OS with the most responses is OS/2, followed closely by Linux.
> Those two combined outnumber ALL Microsoft OSes, including DOS and
> Windows 2000 betas.)  This suggests a very poor sample, probably driven
> by advocacy rather than proper sampling techniques (no surprise, really,
> given that anybody can respond).  Third, as near as I can tell, there's
> no way to determine how many people rated multiple OSes, or WHICH
> multiple OSes they rated.  (If nobody rated multiple OSes, the whole
> thing is nearly worthless, since people weren't comparing the OSes.)
> Fourth, there's no sign that the site has applied appropriate statistical
> corrections for multi-OS ratings.  Fifth, even if the site includes
> mechanisms to reject multiple ratings for a single OS from one IP address
> or some such, it wouldn't be difficult for somebody to rate an OS
> multiple times by using different computers or just separate dialups using
> a dialup PPP account.
>
> In sum, it's a very, very poor example of a survey.  Of course, the same
> is true of most Internet-based surveys, and for the same reasons.
>
> --
> Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
> Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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And I don't think there was anything to prevent a person from voting more
than once either.
<p>Yet IBM even quoted these figures in one of their e-mailed bulletins
a few weeks ago,
<p>Alan Beagley
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Rod Smith wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>In article &lt;c1.2b8.2SQ0lr$0Iw@cast.grid.ibm.net>,
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; wellmet@attglobal.net&nbsp;
(Joe Kovacs) writes:
<br>>>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" &lt;nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>>> <a
href="http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878">http://www.d
eja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&amp;PCID=11878</a>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the
hell is IBM
<br>>>> thinking?
<br>>
<br>> _That is a good survey. Big time.&nbsp; We know how the survey
<br>> was taken, know the questions that were asked and so can
<br>> discuss biases in them.&nbsp; We know how the responses were
<br>> analyzed and can look at the results and evaluate them for
<br>> ourselves.&nbsp; There are lots of details in the presented
<br>> results, lots of juice. There are lots of responses, and
<br>> from all over.&nbsp; The survey operators didn't bias the
<br>> results with analysis or comments.
<br>>
<br>> There are a couple of hints that the results were _not
<br>> loaded (Ha!).&nbsp; First, there are 324 comments with 3200
<br>> responses for OS/2, which is a lot of comments, a high
<br>> ratio.&nbsp; Second, I travel in OS/2 circles and didn't
<br>> see a call to load this survey.
<p>I disagree that this is a good survey, from a scientific point of view.
<br>First, it appears that anybody can respond.&nbsp; That introduces a
huge dose
<br>of selection bias, and it means that we DO NOT know anything at all
about
<br>the respondents.&nbsp; Second, the number of responses for each OS
is way out
<br>of proportion to the relative number of installed copies of each OS.
<br>(The OS with the most responses is OS/2, followed closely by Linux.
<br>Those two combined outnumber ALL Microsoft OSes, including DOS and
<br>Windows 2000 betas.)&nbsp; This suggests a very poor sample, probably
driven
<br>by advocacy rather than proper sampling techniques (no surprise, really,
<br>given that anybody can respond).&nbsp; Third, as near as I can tell,
there's
<br>no way to determine how many people rated multiple OSes, or WHICH
<br>multiple OSes they rated.&nbsp; (If nobody rated multiple OSes, the
whole
<br>thing is nearly worthless, since people weren't comparing the OSes.)
<br>Fourth, there's no sign that the site has applied appropriate statistical
<br>corrections for multi-OS ratings.&nbsp; Fifth, even if the site includes
<br>mechanisms to reject multiple ratings for a single OS from one IP address
<br>or some such, it wouldn't be difficult for somebody to rate an OS
<br>multiple times by using different computers or just separate dialups
using
<br>a dialup PPP account.
<p>In sum, it's a very, very poor example of a survey.&nbsp; Of course,
the same
<br>is true of most Internet-based surveys, and for the same reasons.
<p>--
<br>Rod Smith&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; smithrod@bellatlantic.net
<br><a
href="http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod">http://members.bellatlantic.ne
t/~smithrod</a>
<br>Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from
Que</blockquote>
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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 04-Oct-99 00:38:10
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, ronblatt@my-deja.com spake unto us, saying:

>Due to a series of thoughtless actions, my partition table is lost. I'm
>currently booted to the command-line (I'm using my roommate's computer
>to post this) and can run fdisk, DFSee, any other OS/2 commandline app.
>Is there someway I can recreate the partition table from what the system
>currently has loaded? I remember the sizes of the first few partitions,
>so could I go into fdisk and remake the partitions as they were before?

It really somewhat depends on how you trashed your partition table, but
there's a very useful utility out there as part of Ranish's Partition
Manager which will let you rebuild your partition table by hand if you
know the old partition boundaries.  I think it's DOS-only:

  http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/part/

I don't know enough about the working of FDISK (either the DOS, Linux,
or OS/2 versions) to know if you could use them or not.

You might also try using something like Partition Magic, but it can be
fussy sometimes if it sees partition corruption.  The Linux fdisk did a
really bad number on a friend's Pentium box one time (circular links in
the extended partition!), and PM wouldn't even read it (aborted with an
error), but Ranish's partition editor allow us to painstakingly rebuild
the partition table again.  It took about an hour, and we had all the
old boundaries written down (yuck!).  But it worked.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
      Forget about World Peace.....Visualize Using Your Turn Signal!

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 04-Oct-99 00:49:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 03:26:09
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net
(Raphael Tennenbaum) spake unto us, saying:

>I think I need a new monitor -- partly thanks to this superb
>new Netscape, nowadays I'm apt to have 4-5 browser windows
>open along with a dozen folders, not to mention the standard
>retinue of apps.  I'm running out of screen real estate.

Another solution (or something in addition to a new monitor) might be a
virtual desktop utility like PageMage or 9Lives or whatever.

I bought a 17" monitor back in 1992 to replace my wonderful 14" Zenith
1490, and even though the new monitor (Viewsonic 7) was US$1150 or so
at the time, I never regretted that purchase for an instant.  I still
use that monitor here as a backup/gaming monitor.

About two years ago I purchased a 21" Hitachi for use as my primary
monitor, and I've never looked back.  I usually use 1280x1024 @ 85HZ
(4MB Millenium), and I really couldn't be happier!

I'd spend a little bit of time actually looking at monitors and doing
some comparisons at various resolutions so you know whay you're getting
into.  That will give you some feel for what the various sizes will do
for you in terms of screen real-estate.

Something else to possibly consider -- I just picked up a pair of 17"
monitors (stealth black IBM C71's) on uBid for US$133 apiece, and they
seem to sell a lot of good monitors there.  If you time your bids right,
you might be able to get a good monitor for very little $$.

On the other hand, many of them are refurbs (factory returns/repair
units), but those are always marked as such on the site.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
             All Right! Drop Carrier! We Have You Surrounded!

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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     04-Oct-99 06:14:23
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: OpenGL

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

It hasn't been updates for a while but
http://www.utsi.com/~kgl/os2-opengl/index.html is a good place to
start.  You want OGLGOLD.ZIP from IBM's ftp site.  You might also want
to check out www.scitechsoft.com as well if you already haven't.


Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-



On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:02:32 +0200 (CDT), "Rade Popovic"
<rascho@nospam.iname.com> wrote:

>Hi
>
>Where can I download OpenGL for Warp3 (if it is free)?
>
>TIA
>
>Rascho
>e-mail:rascho@iname.com
>ICQ# 49354974
>
>------------------------
>Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"
>
>

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 04-Oct-99 06:15:02
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37F836DC.C5BE1DCE@datatone.com>, Alan Beagley <abeagley@datatone.com>
writes:
>
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>And I don't think there was anything to prevent a person from voting more
than once
>either.
>

well, nothing special, but it is/was cookied at least. I couldn't vote using 
WebExplorer, so one could argue a bias *against* stubborn OS/2 users !

as a scientific survey certainly you're right - but it wasn't terribly badly 
done for an Internet survey - possibly it was biased against Windows users 
because that particular unwashed electorate isn't sophisticated enough to 
use deja news ?  (Now *that's* an insult !) If an MS associate had done it
the checkbox for OS/2 would have been written in Swahili. 


>Yet IBM even quoted these figures in one of their e-mailed bulletins a few
weeks ago,
>
>Alan Beagley
>



Hrad ngravvrd



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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 04-Oct-99 08:09:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:38:31, ronblatt@my-deja.com wrote:

> Due to a series of thoughtless actions, my partition table is lost. I'm
> currently booted to the command-line (I'm using my roommate's computer
> to post this) and can run fdisk, DFSee, any other OS/2 commandline app.
> Is there someway I can recreate the partition table from what the system
> currently has loaded? I remember the sizes of the first few partitions,
> so could I go into fdisk and remake the partitions as they were before?
> I'm afraid if I do that or reboot as-is I'll simply lose everything. Is
> that true? If I reboot with a floppy will I still be able to see my
> partitions? What if I use a Linux floppy? Are there any Linux utilities
> I could use to recreate the partition table? Thanks for any help
> 

One way is, instead of trying to repair the partition tables, to try to 
recover all files and move them to another drive, then recreate the lost 
partitions and finally move the rescued files back to their original 
place. To recover your files, check out Powerquest Lost & Found at 
www.powerquest.com.

 Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft
 www.bluesoft.se

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From: say@sfu.ca                                        04-Oct-99 08:33:01
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Xywrite and OS/2 

From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>

In comp.os.os2.apps Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote:
: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:49:38, Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca> wrote:
: |         and some of us find XYwrite very fast.  It's still
: |         sold by The Technology Group in Baltimore.

: It is? Cool! I never used XYWrite personally, though I knew a few 
: people who swore by it. Years ago, when we still had the computer 

	Ah, your co-author on the Describe manual
	Herb Tyson wrote one of the better books, referred
	to as the Tyson Bible, on Xywrite and its clever
	internal toggles and switches and what you can 
	do with it besides going faster than a speeding
	bullet, leap tall buildings at a single keystroke,
	etc. ...
: store, I also sold a copy of Nota Bene to a nun who needed to write in
: Greek and Hebrew as well as English.
: |         What's better is that 28 dictionaries / Thesauraus
: |         became available with the new OS/2 version of Netscape
: |         and they work with this word processor XyWrite, and
: |         its sister, NotaBene.
: Other than spell checking, I do most of my dictionary checking online 
: these days. IIRC, dictionary.com is the one that'll look up a word in 
: several dictionaries at once. Great stuff.
: --Esther
---------
	And thesaurus, or don't you use them?
	
	The 28 languages have thesaurus, I've been told,
	so you can write in Hungarian and Greek and expand
	the simpler vocabulary that some might have.

	A search of Xywrite will find the dozen web sites
	giving details of tricks and such.

	Holmgren's OS/2 linkage the DOS or Windows version
	work well.

	Notabene has a new deal http://www.notabene.com/xywrite
	for its standalong NBWin (3.1, 9x) and the Scholars
	Workstation.

	XY and NB can do, well before MSWord, spell corrections
	on-the-fly, and because of clever algorithms do a 
	search and replace in milliseconds.

	A good tool, but no upgrades for several years.
	There are two mailing lists.

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From: say@sfu.ca                                        04-Oct-99 08:47:29
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Xywrite and OS/2 

From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>

In comp.os.os2.apps Joe Kovacs <wellmet@attglobal.net> wrote:
: In <b2KJ3.941$mp6.45697@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) writes:
:>[Posted and mailed]
:>In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
:>	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
:>
:>> 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
:>> seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.
:>
:>No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
:>versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
:>other OSes).

: Almost all OS/2 WPs have a graphical output and use the OS/2 
: graphical printer drivers, and can't print with wheelprinters.
: Almost the only exception I know is WordPerfect/2 v5.2, which
: can use its DOS printer drivers.

: Does XYWrite have printer drivers for wheelprinters, or does 
: it only use the OS/2 graphical drivers?
: Joe Kovacs
: Guelph Ontario Canada
--------
	It is an DOS or Win Wp, not OS/2 but it can see
	long file names etc.

	Yes there are a half-dozen daisy printer drivers.
	Most can be downloaded from
xywrite version 3 (no longer sold)
http://www.tgrp.com/updates/listfiles.asp?folder=/Utils%26Drive
rs/354prn/

xywrite version 4 (competitive upgrade $100)
http://www.tgrp.com/updates/listfiles.asp?folder=/Utils%26Drive
rs/xy4prn/

Most 3 work on version 4

See also Notabene.com, the sister application.

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From: say@sfu.ca                                        04-Oct-99 08:52:09
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>

In comp.os.os2.apps Raphael Tennenbaum <raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) wrote:

:>In <b2KJ3.941$mp6.45697@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) writes:
:>>[Posted and mailed]
:>>In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
:>>	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:
:>>
:>>> 	Out of curiosity, did Describe ever put out a DOS version?  They 
:>>> seemed to have covered every major consumer OS with Describe 5.
:>>
:>>No.  It was originally an OS/2-only program.  They added the Windows
:>>versions relatively late in the game, but no DOS versions (or versions for
:>>other OSes).
:>
:>Almost all OS/2 WPs have a graphical output and use the OS/2 
:>graphical printer drivers, and can't print with wheelprinters.
:>Almost the only exception I know is WordPerfect/2 v5.2, which
:>can use its DOS printer drivers.
:>
:>Does XYWrite have printer drivers for wheelprinters, or does 
:>it only use the OS/2 graphical drivers?

: Gosh, I haven't used one of those in years -- an old Okidata
: from about 1986, I think.  But it worked ok, and even if
: that's a few versions of Xywrite ago, I'd imagine someone
: somewhere has printer drivers for it, if they're not still
: bundled with the product.  

: Things never got to the point between IBM and Xywrite that
: Xy used OS/2 subsystem to that degree: it's pure DOS app. 
: Where the OS/2-i-zation of Xy really took was in redesigning
: the way it uses memory, and enforcing CUA compliance: hence,
: XyIII was never stable for me under OS/2, but Xy4 has never
: failed.
: Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
: readme@ http://www.ray-field.com
----------
	Yes it has many DWP drivers, more listed in Xy3
	than in XY4 but they are interchangeable.
	Looking at the drivers you see that you can edit
	them in ASCII files.  I have a Deskjet380 as 
	default for OS/2, but use a Panasonic 1010 as
	the printer driver for Xy3 (very stable for me
	under OS/2 ver 3, or Warp 4) and no trouble.
	It just sends the right signals through the cable
	essentially ignoring the default.

					Daniel Say

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     04-Oct-99 10:59:25
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 3 Oct 1999 21:20:26 -0400, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->"The file PMMERGE->PMVIOP.122 specified in the PROTSHELL statement on line
->2 of the CONFIG.SYS file does not contain a valid program.

Do you have Process Commander installed? If the answer is yes then you
have to run some obscure PC command to reinstall its hooks (something like
PCINSDLL?). IF you use PC then you should really uninstall it before you
apply the FP then reinstall afterwards.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: C.J.@btsoftware.com                               04-Oct-99 10:38:00
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Homepage Publisher  !!!!!!!!!!!!

From: "C.J." <C.J.@btsoftware.com>

Homepage Publisher 
**************************

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Editor/Browser. HomePage enables you to create or modify any HTML  pages.

Check it out and download the free trial version from:
 http://www.btsoftware.com/os2/hpp.htm


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Oct-99 08:56:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:59:21, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> wrote:

> IBM moved on and put their assets to work where they thought they could
> realize the biggest customer set and business opportunity.
>  

True. But, in the past, IBM has rarely moved on, without something 
BETTER (or, at least equivalent) to replace what was. 

I believe the biggest "problem" that IBM has with OS/2 in a SOHO 
environment, is that they just don't want to get involved with 
answering beginner's questions 800 times a day (I can't really blame 
them, but it is frustrating for the "dedicated" user. Look at the news
groups. How many times a day does someone ask why the can't install 
warp3, or 4, on a large hard drive?). M$ must answer similar questions
over, and over again. The only real difference, is that M$ is willing 
to do that, and IBM is not.

Windows (any flavor), and LINUX, just don't qualify as "something 
BETTER", yet...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Oct-99 08:56:06
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:58:44, mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil 
Yusof) wrote:

> GREAT!!! THANK YOU and props go to the IBM team.
> 
> Positives
> =========
> 
..snip...
> 
> Negatives
> =========
> 
..snip...

I am not too sure, exactly, what is going on. I installed FP12, last 
Friday (it is early Mon. morning now), and went away for the weekend. 
No apparent problems (the system runs all the time, but doesn't really
do anything), and a LOT of the problems that I had, have been fixed.

HOWEVER:

A little earlier, I had a strange partial lockup. It started when I 
tried to close a drives object, which seemed to lock up. Then other 
things quit woking, one at a time (It looked as if the SingleQ thing 
was switching). Eventually, I had to do a CAD (which worked) to 
continue, since everything was locked up.

Now, I am looking at PMView, which is locked up on my screen, won't 
kill and seems to be part way through closing. It is still listed as 
executing, but it won't close, and trying to kill it (from PMPATROL) 
reports that it is either closed, or resisting kill, and now, other 
things refuse to close. There is nothing in POPUPLOG.OS2. pronews/2 is
still working, but I think I will shut it down (I am working offline),
and boot the system, before I continue.

Guess I will have to back out FP12. This just isn't going to work, 
unless someone can suggest something a little less drastic...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Oct-99 08:56:08
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 10:49:05
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg 
<rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
> controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
> works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
>  
> BTW the size and date of the file is 24136 1998/09/30 21:14:00
> IBMIDECD.FLT From FixPack12
>  
> Thanks again.
> 

Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with 
windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.

The basic rule (for each controller), is that if a controller has a 
single device attached, it MUST be a MASTER. If there is a second 
device attached, it MUST be a SLAVE. If your device won't work, as a 
single device on the interface, as a MASTER, then it is breaking the 
rules, especially, if it does work as a SLAVE, without a MASTER.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    04-Oct-99 16:09:14
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 16:43:07
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> writes:
> 
> Sorry, Pierre -- this isn't necessarily directed at you, and I know it
> isn't directly helpful.  But why on earth do so many people insist on
> applying operating system upgrades without making backups?

Because it was my distinct impression that the upgrade *did* a backup
before anything else! That's what I wanted to back out with, but I can see
no way of doing so without Web access (I did once back out using the rsu
method, but I can't see how to do it without a full graphical system able
to run Netscape.)

I did buy a CDRW to make backups, but I got it only on Friday, and I
haven't yet figured out how to use it.

So now, I reinstalled and applied FP 6, which I have on CD, but I'm stuck,
because Netscape now refuses to run, with a SYS182 error after loading the
plug-ins.

Does the Explorer still work with the latest rsu updates so I can go back
to 11?

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    04-Oct-99 16:19:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 16:43:07
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> On 3 Oct 1999 21:20:26 -0400, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> 
> ->"The file PMMERGE->PMVIOP.122 specified in the PROTSHELL statement on line
> ->2 of the CONFIG.SYS file does not contain a valid program.
> 
> Do you have Process Commander installed? If the answer is yes then you
> have to run some obscure PC command to reinstall its hooks (something like
> PCINSDLL?). IF you use PC then you should really uninstall it before you
> apply the FP then reinstall afterwards.

No, no PC here. I tried to restore PMMERGE from the previous version, but
then it gave me errors in another DLL; clearly not only PMMERGE but all
the DLLs it calls could have been afflicted. 

So I reinstalled, and applied FP6, but Netscape 4.61 refuses to run.
According to the installation notes, FP5 is the minimum required, so 6
should be OK. I do have Java 1.1.8 and I've removed mentions of javaos2
from the various paths.

Pierre

-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  04-Oct-99 17:28:20
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 16:43:07
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:34:14, rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net 
(Rod Smith) wrote:

> In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-6TobdERDhfDn@poblano>,
> 	l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) writes:
> > 
> > According to what they told me explicitly when I complained about the 
> > absence of footnote support, "the" programmer had left the company at
short
> > notice, and had not been replaced.
> 
> DeScribe 5 certainly does support footnotes.  Earlier versions did not,
> IIRC, though I believe they did support endnotes.

Of course it does. The thread, at that point, was talking about earlier 
days.


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               04-Oct-99 15:51:12
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 16:43:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Well, Joe, I did say that ZDNet's search engine is... er, not as good 
as it ought to be.

(Okay. I admit it. It sucks. _None_ of it holds a candle to the COMPDB
database that used to be on Compuserve, which had a UI From Hell but 
let you put together very explicit searches.)

--Esther

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:27:07, wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) 
wrote:

| Well, following Esther's post a couple of days ago, I searched 
| zdnet for "os/2", then Schindler, then the two together.
| Then I went to PCMag and did the same.  Lots of articles came 
| up, but almost nothing in 1999, and not that one.
| 
| Following her latest post, I went to zdnet/sr, to the Sm@rt 
| Reseller site and did the same.  Same thing.  Lots of
| articles, but not that one.
| 
| With this, I clicked on that url above (OS/2 v4, NS 4.61GA,
| using mailer and browser) and got this back...

<snip>. . .
| Surely your setup is similar.  I wonder what the difference
| is.
| 
| Zdnet got what they wanted.  I had to wade through two hours
| of advertisements.
| 
| Joe Kovacs
| Guelph Ontario Canada
| 


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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           04-Oct-99 18:51:06
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 16:43:07
Subj: Re: OpenGL

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 06:14:47 GMT, Glen D wrote:

>It hasn't been updates for a while but
>http://www.utsi.com/~kgl/os2-opengl/index.html is a good place to
>start.  You want OGLGOLD.ZIP from IBM's ftp site.  You might also want
>to check out www.scitechsoft.com as well if you already haven't.

Thank you. I am downloading it right now.

Rascho
e-mail:rascho@iname.com
ICQ# 49354974

------------------------
Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"


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From: mc6530@mclink.it                                  04-Oct-99 16:49:20
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 16:43:07
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: mc6530@mclink.it (Yuri Dario)

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:32:22, "Gerald F. Meazell" <meazell@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and

I'm running WSeB on a SuperMicro P6DBU with a couple of P3/450

Bye,

	Yuri Dario

/*
 * member of TeamOS/2 - Italy
 * http://www.quasarbbs.com/yuri
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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     04-Oct-99 19:25:17
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 4 Oct 1999 14:35:53 GMT, M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn wrote:

->If
->some poster puts a question here and Trevor does not chime in (for reasons
which
->are competely to HIS sole discretion), who on earth is Tim Martin then to
send the or-
->iginal poster to Trevors mailbox. Puting Trevor into the awkward position to 
decide to
->push the poster off or to step over the reasons why he choose not to chime
in over here.

Thanks, I _do_ prefer to post my answers to the newsgroups. Partly because
I can then post the one answer once and everyone can read it, partly
because I like the discretion of getting mail in my inbox and knowing that
it's for me. Oh and partly because if I get something wrong then someone
else can jump in and say "did you really mean FORMAT C:?" ;-)


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     04-Oct-99 19:26:25
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 4 Oct 1999 16:19:44 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->No, no PC here. I tried to restore PMMERGE from the previous version, but
->then it gave me errors in another DLL; clearly not only PMMERGE but all
->the DLLs it calls could have been afflicted. 

What version of the CSF tool did you use? CSF 1.41 is mandatory for the
most recent FPs and I remember seeing problems like this reported before
on a lower version.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
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From: say@sfu.ca                                        04-Oct-99 19:51:15
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: Xywrite and OS/2

From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>

In comp.os.os2.apps Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> wrote:
: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:33:03, Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca> wrote:
: | 	Ah, your co-author on the Describe manual
: | 	Herb Tyson wrote one of the better books, referred
: | 	to as the Tyson Bible, on Xywrite and its clever
: | 	internal toggles and switches and what you can 
: | 	do with it besides going faster than a speeding
: | 	bullet, leap tall buildings at a single keystroke,
: | 	etc. ...

: Wow... I haven't heard from or of Herb Tyson in years! I wonder what 
: he's up to?

	Go to http://wwww.toward.com/tyson 
	and see too much of the Herb

: | : Other than spell checking, I do most of my dictionary checking online 
: | : these days. IIRC, dictionary.com is the one that'll look up a word in 
: | : several dictionaries at once. Great stuff.

: | 	And thesaurus, or don't you use them?

: Not too often... maybe once every couple of weeks.

: --Esther

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           04-Oct-99 18:36:27
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:32:22, "Gerald F. Meazell" <meazell@ibm.net> 
wrote:

> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
> 
> the Tyans worked well.  Can someone defend Gigabyte?  Are there other
> brands besides Tyan that work well?  Thanks.
> 

I am using an A-Trend 6820 with two Pentium II 400Mhz and it
seems to run and work well with WSeB. The only caveat is
that the MB is all PCI slots, no ISA. The only other thing I have
found is that it (the MB) is VERY power hungry. It won't boot with
less than a 250 watt power supply and to run two processors
you have to have a 300 watt power supply.

Lorne Sunley

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 04-Oct-99 18:30:10
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <hY=4NyxLprbicn2o43NqkzmhwSWI@news.kraftwerk.net>, Martin Nisshagen
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:
>Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
> Yeah, I could see being addicted to a large screen.  In fact
> I'm a bit scared of bringing home something, being happy
> with it for three months, and then wishing I'd shelled out a
> bit more to get something REALLY big.  I might skip lunch
> for a few months and see about the Provia after all. 
>
>IMHO: Get a better quality (not the cheapest series) of a 21" monitor from
any
>of the well known vendors and add a fast 1600x1200 graphics card to it.
>
>You won't regret it (it's really awesome to use, and if you use your computer
>daily you will appreciate it for many, many years to come).
>
>Important:
>
>But be aware that different monitors has *very* different characteristics,
and
>which one you should select depends on what you will use and optimize it for.
>
>Example:
>
>If you want to do mostly text editing or wire frame CAD/CAM I would suggest a
>21" Hitachi monitor who is extremely sharp (but not so good color balance as
>many of the other 21" monitors). 
>
>If your more into photo editing, 3D-animation, DTP or digital video I would
>suggest a 21" Philips from the professional series (not the cheaper business
>series) who has extremely good color balance (but not as sharp as the best
21"
>Hitachi monitors).
>

Martin -

I prefer a smaller monitor 'cuz my desk just isn't big enough ! and a 21"er
is like sitting in the front row at the movies . . but

are you acquainted with the Mitsubishi 19" *flat* screen (900u maybe ?)
what's your thinking on this one ? CAD work, but rendering, solids, that sort 
thing - as well as writing manuals, regular office-type work.  19" screen
in a 17" package, that part is nice ! 


>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>
>-- 
>Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
>CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
>d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw


--
Hrad ngravvrd

remove trees, see forest

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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         04-Oct-99 17:51:10
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On 4 Oct 1999 16:49:40 GMT, Yuri Dario wrote:

>> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
>> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
>
>I'm running WSeB on a SuperMicro P6DBU with a couple of P3/450

Using a Abit BP6 here, with 2 Celery 366s oc'd to 550.




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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 04-Oct-99 08:21:12
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:

>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net
>(Raphael Tennenbaum) spake unto us, saying:
>
>>I think I need a new monitor -- partly thanks to this superb
>>new Netscape, nowadays I'm apt to have 4-5 browser windows
>>open along with a dozen folders, not to mention the standard
>>retinue of apps.  I'm running out of screen real estate.
>
>Another solution (or something in addition to a new monitor) might be a
>virtual desktop utility like PageMage or 9Lives or whatever.

I've used these in the past, and I've liked them -- when I'm
doing say, two or three different "kinds" of work.  But
these days, some of what I do just goes easier if I keep a
mess of folders and four Netscapes running, and I to drag
and drop between'em.  (Otoh, I've got a decent shot, maybe I
could just put up a jumper onto the "other" desktop, I'm
sure I could shoot over 90%, you bet!)

>
>I bought a 17" monitor back in 1992 to replace my wonderful 14" Zenith
>1490, and even though the new monitor (Viewsonic 7) was US$1150 or so
>at the time, I never regretted that purchase for an instant.  I still
>use that monitor here as a backup/gaming monitor.
>
>About two years ago I purchased a 21" Hitachi for use as my primary
>monitor, and I've never looked back.  I usually use 1280x1024 @ 85HZ
>(4MB Millenium), and I really couldn't be happier!
>
>I'd spend a little bit of time actually looking at monitors and doing
>some comparisons at various resolutions so you know whay you're getting
>into.  That will give you some feel for what the various sizes will do
>for you in terms of screen real-estate.
>
>Something else to possibly consider -- I just picked up a pair of 17"
>monitors (stealth black IBM C71's) on uBid for US$133 apiece, and they
>seem to sell a lot of good monitors there.  If you time your bids right,
>you might be able to get a good monitor for very little $$.

I just did -- and all I can say is, I'd better win my bid,
and this thing better work, or you're in trouble!  (Just
kidding.)  Anyway, thanks a bunch for this, Rich.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     04-Oct-99 19:46:21
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:36:55 GMT, Lorne Sunley wrote:

->> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
->> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
->> 
->> the Tyans worked well.  Can someone defend Gigabyte?  Are there other
->> brands besides Tyan that work well?  Thanks.

I've used Tyan and Supermicro. Both work just fine.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Oct-99 17:51:19
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:46:36, mohd.k.yusof@bohm.anu.edu.au (Khairil 
Yusof) wrote:

> I had this earlier though I can't remember, what exactly I did. But it's 
> something to do with trying to click on an object while the screen was
redrawing
> after switching from Xfree86. That was 2 days ago. Now by being a bit
patient 
> while the screen redraws and is swapped back into memory stops this program. 
The
> symptoms though are exactly the same. Frozen input queue on some programs, 
> everything continues running but CAD works.
>  

I don't use Xfree86, so that has nothing to do with it. On the other 
hand, I think it may have something to do with having to wait for a 
complete screen redraw. I have tried changing the Asyncronous focus 
change setting to 40 tenths of a second (this is rediculously long 
IMO), from 20. So far, no more problems.

I will run this way, for a while, or until the next failure...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 04-Oct-99 11:35:07
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: John Mandeville <nospam@nospam.com>

judithr9@earthlink.net wrote:
> 
> Which I find difficult to believe.
> Are they really 'giving this away?'  Is there a catch -- other than
> the documentation?  If free, Why?

The above was about Sun StarOffice 5.1.  StarDivision, the creator of
StarOffice, was recently purchased by Sun.

If I understand correctly, the catch is that Sun wants to push future
versions toward being a client-server product with, of course, the
preferred server being a Sun.  Whether they also will maintain it as a
stand-alone version remains to be seen.  I suspect that it is too early
to be able to guess whether or not this will continue as good news for
OS/2.  For now, though, I have a product that can read e-mail
attachments from borg drones.  I don't really like the product:  it
looks to me to be designed for people who like MS products, and there is
still no word processor I like as well as WordPerfect (except, of
course, WP itself).  But, for now at least, it runs on OS/2 and that's
good.  At least giving the product away for free means that OS/2
development won't be any more of a money loser for Sun than Windows
development will be.

--
John Mandeville
jemandy at earthlink dot net


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             01-Oct-99 16:27:15
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:18:12 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:

>TCP/IP 4.1
>is worthwhile if you do anything more than dial-up networking: as time
>goes by more people will be abandoning regular modems and going for xDSL
>and cable modems, so this will become more relevant. $209 for two years
>for TCP/IP 4.1 and a possible new Netscape and a possible Java 2 seems
>expensive to me, especially when the latter 2 are free for WinXX.

Well, tcp/ip 4.1 is already available as a stand-alone purchase. Java
2.0 isn't even available yet but I suspect that, when it IS it will
also be marketed separately, the same way. So you can purchase Software
Choice for ~$200.00 and get both procucts plus whatever other products
MIGHT be added to that list, or you can purchase tci/ip 4.1 now and
wait to see if anything else of value to you gets added to SWC by the
time Java 2.0 get's released. At any rate, this is nothing more than
the fulfilment of what IBM's stated objective goal was back when they
announced they were dropping support of the SOHO market. All of the
'free' SWC products have been items that IBM promised to deliver for
free in the first place. There's now a free Netscape that's roughly
equivalent to that available on other platforms. (That was their
promise, they've fulfilled that promise, and from now on they're going
to charge for it)  And there's a equivalent level Java available for
free as well. As far as the "Windows and Linux get it free," complaint
goes; so do we. Who knows WHAT is going to be free on any future
platform. Mozilla (Netscape 5) is being worked on (for free) as we
speak. And M$ Internet Explorer isn't likely to be available in ANY
form for OS/2. Sun is now making StarOffice available for free for OS/2
and has already announced that the the next version of that will be
available on OS/2 as well. 

I was as P-Oed at IBM as anyone else when they dropped this SWC
bombshell. But after deliberation, I see that they aren't doing
anything that that they didn't tell us they were going to do three
years ago. In fact, the only REAL shocker was that this announcement so
closely followed that of their regection of StarDock's bid to produce a
client update. Another part of the announced SWC program three years
ago was that they intended to also make enhancements to Warp available
through it. So far there have been not enhancements other the to tcp/ip
there. Does this signal forthcoming update or upgrade to the client
through SWC? I don't know. But I'm strongly considering buying SWC now,
if I can come up with the money.


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             04-Oct-99 11:30:18
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:43:51 -0700, Graham C. Norris wrote:

>Maybe because today Netscape 4.7 is current on other platforms, and by
>this time next year, even 4.7 is likely to struggle with some of the
>fancy enhancments on some (otherwise useful) web sites. You'll have to
>pay IBM $209 just for Netscape 4.7 ... if they ever do it.

So its IBM's responsibility to supply you a free Netscape? Because
Netscape provides THEIR product (not IBM's product) for free on other
platforms? I don't think so. Please take you're complaint to Netscape.
(No wonder IBM doesn't want to support cry-baby home users)


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             01-Oct-99 15:35:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:11:07 GMT, hunters@thunder.indstate.edu wrote:

>> It says ZERO bad blocks.
>
>No, it says:
>
>> >> 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>
>So if you have 1023 bytes in bad blocks, you have 0 *Kbytes*. (since
>1024 bytes = 1K) And I can believe it would be that literal. :)

Nope. It means that it found one or more blocks marked as BAD on the
drive but no data was contained in those bad blocks. These have to be
blocks that were located AFTER the drive was formatted because bad
blocks that were located during the format process were marked as BAD
and never included in the drive total in the first place. If the bad
blocks were located AFTER initial fromat, these blocks were then marked
as BAD, any data that they contained was moved out of them, and
additional 'space' was added to the drive (actually 'remapped' out of
the drives 'hot fix' area) so that no space was lost from the drive.


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             01-Oct-99 16:41:01
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:03:34 -0500, Richard Steiner wrote:

>>$209 for two years for TCP/IP 4.1 and a possible new Netscape and a
>>possible Java 2 seems expensive to me, especially when the latter 2
>>are free for WinXX.

Let's see. Does M$ produce the free Netscape for WinXX? No, Netscape
does. So why should IBM do so for OS/2? Does M$ produce the free Java
for WinXX. No. M$ produces _A_ free Java bastard clone. Sun produces a
free 'reference' version of Java for WinXX. Again, so why should IBM do
so. It seems to me you should be complaining to Netscape and Sun about
these two freebees. As far as the tcp/ip 4.1 goes, you can buy it
separately if you want it. 


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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           04-Oct-99 16:49:26
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
>  Yeah, I could see being addicted to a large screen.  In fact
>  I'm a bit scared of bringing home something, being happy
>  with it for three months, and then wishing I'd shelled out a
>  bit more to get something REALLY big.  I might skip lunch
>  for a few months and see about the Provia after all.
> 
> IMHO: Get a better quality (not the cheapest series) of a 21" monitor from
any
> of the well known vendors and add a fast 1600x1200 graphics card to it.
> 
> You won't regret it (it's really awesome to use, and if you use your
computer
> daily you will appreciate it for many, many years to come).
> 
> Important:
> 
> But be aware that different monitors has *very* different characteristics,
and
> which one you should select depends on what you will use and optimize it
for.
> 
> Example:
> 
> If you want to do mostly text editing or wire frame CAD/CAM I would suggest
a
> 21" Hitachi monitor who is extremely sharp (but not so good color balance as
> many of the other 21" monitors).
> 
> If your more into photo editing, 3D-animation, DTP or digital video I would
> suggest a 21" Philips from the professional series (not the cheaper business
> series) who has extremely good color balance (but not as sharp as the best
21"
> Hitachi monitors).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> m a r t i n | n
> 
> --
> Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
> CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
> d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

Mmmmmmm - Philips Professional series...

Mmmmmmm - Hitachi big monitors...

Saw an ad in one of the design industry magazines I read about a 31"
monitor - hell, my tv set is only 17"!

I haven't looked into the graphics cards with 32 MB of RAM, but gimme
that with 3200 x 2400 x 24 bit colour on a flat screen and fast update
so that when I do video editing, I can have the multiple video segments
cued up for splicing and mixing in real-time and pump it back out in
HDTV broadcast quality.

Oh, I'd also love to have the rest of the equipment for handling HDTV,
rather than just the SuperBeta format I currently work with...
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From: brbenne@no-spam.com                               04-Oct-99 13:43:27
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: IBM Exec and Linux

From: "b" <brbenne@no-spam.com>

Hi, here is a link to Linux World with an interview between IBM and Redhat
Linux.
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-09/lw-09-ibm_2.html
  Bruce   brbenne@ibm.net
Bruce   mail to  brbenne@ibm.net   http://what-me.com


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From: madodel@ptdprolog.net                             04-Oct-99 20:07:24
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel)

The Organization exists already.  VOICE has been doing this since 
1997.  What we need is more people to join VOICE, not start new 
organnizations.  If you want to help, go to http://www.os2voice.org 
and check out the meeting information.  There is a meeting tonight at 
8PM EST, on IRC.  That's on WEBBnet in #voice.  Sundial Systems will 
be there to take questions.

VOICE has been involved in educating the OS/2 community via our 
free-to-all Speakup sessions, monthly Newsletter, and our web site.  
We have worked closely with the people that have put on Warpstock and 
Warp Expo West.  We are currently involved in a project to reactivate 
the old Warp Pharmacy for providing online help to OS/2 users.  In 
addition  we are also working on a project to provide a user based 
replacement for OS/2.

What we need is more members, to become a bigger force to deal with 
IBM.  Please consider adding your voice.

Mark

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:12:11, raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net 
(Raphael Tennenbaum) wrote:

-)
-)Maybe now is the time for all good OS/2ers to line up -- and
-)put all these new internet pricing and marketing models to
-)use.  There's the group buying model we were just discussing
-)wrt Symantec, right?  Maybe the time has come to form our
-)own user association for the purpose of dealing with IBM.
-)
-)Surely we'd get much further with Big Blue by putting
-)together some kind of delegation with certifiable grassroots
-)support to gather and distribute information -- not from a
-)muckraking (let along bickering) vantage point, but in
-)collaborative fashion.  Ok, IBM, we don't want to be
-)confrontational (heh heh), but we politely and respectfully
-)need to know:
-)
-)* What kind of hardware support can we anticipate
-)continuing?
-)
-)* A new client?
-)
-)* Any chance of a bit of work being done to port two or
-)three of the big 'net plug-ins?  (RealAudio, of course,
-)maybe Shockwave?)
-)
-)* u name it.
-)
-)Of course, IBM's got a black eye with many (all?) of us,
-)because no matter how much understanding we may have for the
-)reasons why, the fact of their having all but abandoned end-
-)users is hard to get around.  And no one here doesn't
-)understand that they've spent the last two+ years all but
-)telling us to get lost.  What we need now is to organize a
-)civil and businesslike delegation that represents all the ng
-)supporters of OS/2 to find out what we need to know so we
-)can each of us decide *whether*.  Who knows, if that would
-)work, conceivably we could move onto an organization through
-)which we could purchase SOftware Choice subscriptions at a
-)group rate?  
-)
-)Under the circumstances that might not be an unappealing
-)model.  IBM is a step removed from end-user support (clearly
-)its greatest nightmare), while we as a group can save, and
-)have a reliable conduit of information and a purchasing
-)resource.  
-)
-)Java is the big thing, and OTOH, as distressing as the idea
-)that IBM taking Java subscription-only, you could also view
-)it as in fact encouraging: surely they would not believe
-)that they could sell their JVM if they didn't think it was
-)pretty damned good, and let's face it: it's the best around. 
-)(As far as I can tell, so is Netscape 4.61).  After bailed
-)on all the other cross-whatever stuff -- PowerPC to CORBA to
-)Quicktime and whatever -- at least IBM stuck with Java to
-)the hilt.  
-)
-)Just some thoughts,
-)
-)
-)-- 
-)Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
-)readme@ http://www.ray-field.com


//---------------------------------------------------------
// From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
//             Healthcare Computer Consultant
//                   madodel@ptdprolog.net
//    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel
//
//  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
//             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
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From: nospam_evr@spam.net                               04-Oct-99 17:08:29
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net>

On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:41:50 GMT, Brian Davis wrote:

>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878
>> 
>> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell is
IBM
>> thinking?
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> "I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> 
>That survey doesn't count because there's only
>two of us using OS/2, it's your turn to vote the
>next 3000 times. ;-O

That is the thing, how many former OS/2 users voted it as number one, even
though they no longer use it.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           04-Oct-99 16:58:06
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 
> Csaba Raduly [SOPHOS Plc] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
> 
>  > Actually, Jerry was quite an avid OS/2 user at one time.
> 
> That's how I remember it as well. I think he liked it a lot.
> 
>  and his conclusions about OS/2 were (I can't remember what version,
>  but it was the early eighties) :
> 
>  "A better DOS than DOS ? Yes. A better Windows than Windows ? No"
> 
> Perhaps he had some compatibility problems with some Windows application?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> m a r t i n | n
> 
> --
> Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
> CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
> d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

I began reading BYTE at least a couple years - maybe three or four -
before Pournelle began his column, and when it started, he was sort of a
"new user" writer. As a result, I've always tended to take his
observations as something to pat him on the top of the head about, show
him how to switch the machine on, and start up a computer game for him
to play. After nearly a couple of decades, he is much, much more learned
about computers, but I still look at what he says and think "yeah,
that's Jerry's chatter..."

But back then, BYTE was one of three magazines aimed at microcomputers,
along with Creative Computing and a third one that has slipped my
memory. BYTE was affectionately known as "The big, fat, technical
magazine". I miss that - it went into a stretch over the mid 80s of
being a strictly PC magazine rather than the technical strengths it had
built itself on.
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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            04-Oct-99 18:03:01
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 19:53:12
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <qfqneebjaivargpbz.fj34f03.pminews@news.nvinet.com>, on 10/04/99 
   at 11:30 AM, "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> said:


>>Maybe because today Netscape 4.7 is current on other platforms, and by
>>this time next year, even 4.7 is likely to struggle with some of the
>>fancy enhancments on some (otherwise useful) web sites. You'll have to
>>pay IBM $209 just for Netscape 4.7 ... if they ever do it.

>So its IBM's responsibility to supply you a free Netscape? Because
>Netscape provides THEIR product (not IBM's product) for free on other
>platforms? I don't think so. Please take you're complaint to Netscape.
>(No wonder IBM doesn't want to support cry-baby home users)

'Cry-baby', 'whiner', 'welfare-taker' - jeez, in the last couple of days,
the OS/2 'community' has come up with more negative epithets for its
members than any of the other OS adherents! 

You know the concern that motivates the so-called 'whining' is not so much
having to pay for stuff as the desire to read the tea-leaves of IBM's
support of OS/2. 

I wish we could get past the name-calling and stick with the useful
analysis (some of which you did in your post, thank you!) of the IBM is
[1] doing, [2] what is means for us SOHO folk who use OS/2 and might want
to see it maintained or even extended and [3] how we should react,
collectively and individually.

I don't mind paying for Netscape in the future or Java. I won't pay for
vague promises of non-committal delivery of nothing in particular of use
to me. Note: I am not characterizing Software Choice in these terms; I
still don't fully understand what is on offer.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               04-Oct-99 22:18:27
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:
>
> Because it was my distinct impression that the upgrade *did* a backup
> before anything else! That's what I wanted to back out with, but I can see
> no way of doing so without Web access (I did once back out using the rsu
> method, but I can't see how to do it without a full graphical system able
> to run Netscape.)
> 
> I did buy a CDRW to make backups, but I got it only on Friday, and I
> haven't yet figured out how to use it.
> 
> So now, I reinstalled and applied FP 6, which I have on CD, but I'm stuck,
> because Netscape now refuses to run, with a SYS182 error after loading the
> plug-ins.
> 
> Does the Explorer still work with the
> latest rsu updates so I can go back to 11?

Am I to understand that you want to go the RSU
route again, now to get from FP6 up to FP 11? If
that is what you want to do (understand you do not
have a backup of the messed up situation before you
re-installed and applied FP6 either - if you have the advi-
ce would be totally different) better use the other way.

But first get your backup CD RW working. If you can
get to a point where you can write files to the RW-disk
get yourself a copy of DreckBak and InfoZip's utilities. So
create a backup first to a free portion of any partition if you
like and write a copy of that with standard copy / xcopy to RW.

Now dowload the FP your are going to apply in *.?dk form,
get yourself FixTool 1.41 and QuickFix. Use that according
to the instructions to apply the fixpack. If you need to back-
out then you simply have the BackOut command of QuickFix
and the standard OS/2 archive to do that for you.

If you have a copy of the mess before you re-installed and
applied FP6 and IF (that is a big if because I don't know as 
I never used RSU because I hated the possible dangers you
have now gotten into, there must be others who know if a stan-
dard archive is written by RSU however) RSU creates a standard
archive on your disk before applying the Fixpack, you could try the
BackOut command of QuickFix and Fixtool 1.41 anyway. I am not su-
re it will work (but some of the autors of the parts of QF might lurk here).

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    04-Oct-99 19:32:27
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> On 4 Oct 1999 16:19:44 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
> 
> ->No, no PC here. I tried to restore PMMERGE from the previous version, but
> ->then it gave me errors in another DLL; clearly not only PMMERGE but all
> ->the DLLs it calls could have been afflicted. 
> 
> What version of the CSF tool did you use? CSF 1.41 is mandatory for the
> most recent FPs and I remember seeing problems like this reported before
> on a lower version.

The latest from the IBM web site.

And I screwed up again! FP11 which had worked perfectly well before, now
crashed with an exception in device driver ES18691$. Whatever that is.

Pierre


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Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    04-Oct-99 19:37:26
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn <ReplyToNews@The-Net-4U.com> writes:
> 
> But first get your backup CD RW working. If you can
> get to a point where you can write files to the RW-disk
> get yourself a copy of DreckBak and InfoZip's utilities. So
> create a backup first to a free portion of any partition if you
> like and write a copy of that with standard copy / xcopy to RW.

Problem is how to do that without a browser. This is my first foray with
CDR and without documentation I'm pretty much stuck.

FP11 installation crashed with an exception in device driver ES18691$ even
though it had worked fine before.

Pierre, on the revived 486...
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     05-Oct-99 01:10:17
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 4 Oct 1999 19:32:55 -0400, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->And I screwed up again! FP11 which had worked perfectly well before, now
->crashed with an exception in device driver ES18691$. Whatever that is.

The driver for an ESS 1869 soundcard. Use Alt+F1 to boot up to a command
prompt then use TEDIT to REM out the line that refers to it
(ESS1869.SYS?).


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               04-Oct-99 21:56:25
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

In article <foj4N=FhO9MWwpad6BCnaBGPSiOA@news.kraftwerk.net>,
	Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:
> 
> That said I think it's possible to do at least fairly good Internet-based
> surveys (even if not as good as real ones) if you write some good software
at
> the server who randomly selects a visitor to the site/page and ask him to
> participate in the survey. 

Sure, especially for certain specific purposes.  For instance, if an
online retailer wanted to get some survey information on their customers,
they could slap in a survey form during the checkout process for every
100th customer and get reasonably good data ON THEIR CUSTOMERS.  It'd be
useless for telling anything about Internet users in general, much less
people in general, but if the company just wanted to know about their
Internet customers, it'd probably do quite nicely.  Put the same survey on
the retailers's homepage and it becomes next to useless.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                04-Oct-99 17:33:12
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> said:

>It means that it found one or more blocks marked as BAD on the
>drive but no data was contained in those bad blocks. These have to be blocks
>that were located AFTER the drive was formatted

Aha, an answer!  Thanks.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com               04-Oct-99 22:07:09
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: "Jan Danielsson" <Jan.Danielsson@falun.mail.telia.com>

>Due to a series of thoughtless actions, my partition table is lost. I'm
>currently booted to the command-line (I'm using my roommate's computer
>to post this) and can run fdisk, DFSee, any other OS/2 commandline app.
>Is there someway I can recreate the partition table from what the system
>currently has loaded? I remember the sizes of the first few partitions,
>so could I go into fdisk and remake the partitions as they were before?
>I'm afraid if I do that or reboot as-is I'll simply lose everything. Is
>that true? If I reboot with a floppy will I still be able to see my
>partitions? What if I use a Linux floppy? Are there any Linux utilities
>I could use to recreate the partition table? Thanks for any help

On EDM/2 you can find the specs you need to rebuild the partition table.
Information about the partition table, and HPFS specs.

I rebuilt a crashed FAT32 harddisk with a sector editor and some specs.. It
is possible -- but it took me a whole night, and I recommended the user to
backup all files to another harddisk as soon as possible, and reformat the
drive. (Don't trust harddisk where the FAT tables and partition tables are
manually hacked...).


 /j



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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                03-Oct-99 22:36:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: OpenGL

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 Rade Popovic wrote:

> Where can I download OpenGL for Warp3 (if it is free)?

See http://www.warpupdates.de/english/dev_opengl.html

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      04-Oct-99 19:00:02
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <foj4N=FhO9MWwpad6BCnaBGPSiOA@news.kraftwerk.net>, Martin Nisshagen
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:

>All self selected surveys is just advocacy, regardless if you select your
>favorite OS, games, car, etc. 

Yes, very succinctly put, Martin, and worth remembering.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk                          04-Oct-99 23:15:19
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <37F914E5.B3F06345@adan.kingston.net>
kahnt@go-away-spammers.adan.kingston.net "Mark L. Kahnt" writes:

> [...]
>
> But back then, BYTE was one of three magazines aimed at
> microcomputers, along with Creative Computing and a third one
> that has slipped my memory. [...]

Dr Dobbs, by any chance?  (Still with us, BTW.)
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 04-Oct-99 23:22:06
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <geribeurzfyrlqvnycvcrkpbz.fj3rdv8.pminews@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Trevor
Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:36:55 GMT, Lorne Sunley wrote:
>
>->> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
>->> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
>->> 
>->> the Tyans worked well.  Can someone defend Gigabyte?  Are there other
>->> brands besides Tyan that work well?  Thanks.
>
>I've used Tyan and Supermicro. Both work just fine.
>
>

At the risk of sounding like an Idiot for recommending IBM, the Intellistation
works very well with Warp Advanced Server SMP here.


>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)
>
>
>

--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 04-Oct-99 22:49:04
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 21:24:10
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37f925aa$1$qnivfs$mr2ice@news.logical.net>, davisfnospam@union.edu writes:
>In <qfqneebjaivargpbz.fj34f03.pminews@news.nvinet.com>, on 10/04/99 
>   at 11:30 AM, "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com> said:
>
>
>>>Maybe because today Netscape 4.7 is current on other platforms, and by
>>>this time next year, even 4.7 is likely to struggle with some of the
>>>fancy enhancments on some (otherwise useful) web sites. You'll have to
>>>pay IBM $209 just for Netscape 4.7 ... if they ever do it.
>
>>So its IBM's responsibility to supply you a free Netscape? Because
>>Netscape provides THEIR product (not IBM's product) for free on other
>>platforms? I don't think so. Please take you're complaint to Netscape.
>>(No wonder IBM doesn't want to support cry-baby home users)


>
>'Cry-baby', 'whiner', 'welfare-taker' - jeez, in the last couple of days,
>the OS/2 'community' has come up with more negative epithets for its
>members than any of the other OS adherents! 
>
>You know the concern that motivates the so-called 'whining' is not so much
>having to pay for stuff as the desire to read the tea-leaves of IBM's
>support of OS/2. 
>
>I wish we could get past the name-calling and stick with the useful
>analysis (some of which you did in your post, thank you!) of the IBM is
>[1] doing, [2] what is means for us SOHO folk who use OS/2 and might want
>to see it maintained or even extended and [3] how we should react,
>collectively and individually.
>
>I don't mind paying for Netscape in the future or Java. I won't pay for
>vague promises of non-committal delivery of nothing in particular of use
>to me. Note: I am not characterizing Software Choice in these terms; I
>still don't fully understand what is on offer.
>
>F.
>

If I were a rational person this is exactly what I'd have written.  We
*aren't*
whiners, crybabies, leeches here. We *want* to pay for all kinds of good 
OS/2 stuff. We get frustrated, discouraged, and irrational when IBM treats 
those of us who bought their product and are sticking with it like lepers,
while 
people using any other software on the market are courted and cherished. "we 
get free fixpacks" -- wow. Go look at *any* IBM site, see what they're selling 

for almost any other system. (Nothing for Plan 9 yet, but any day . . .) For
some 
reason SOHO users running any *other* os are courted -- wanna read the IBM 
SWAlert e-mail advertisements ? Why can IBM deal with SOHO NT users so well, 
but small OS/2 companies are suddenly not their strategic direction ? It
*appears*
as if this is entirely because small companies have no muscle.

All I am asking is some assurance that we won't end up like Amigaphiles. We 
all purchased a business "solution" from a business company which is currently
doing very well. ("solutions" don't include handing us an abacus when the rest 

of the world is using an adding machine) OS/2 certainly *does* pay its way. So 

what's the missing part of the puzzle here ?  Information is being witheld . . 
. . 



>-----------------------------------------------------------
>      Felmon John Davis		
>     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
>     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>


--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     04-Oct-99 08:22:13
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: CHKDSK curiosity

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

If you ever see bad blocks>0 mentioned explicitly on an IDE or SCSI 
drive, it means that the bad block tables are full, and it's time to 
start doing daily backups and shopping for a new drive - quick.

Why some drives are reporting the 0 and some are skipping the display of
bad blocks completely - haven't a clue.


On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 13:49:43 +0100, Tim Timmins wrote:

>Maybe you only have bad blocks on those partitions?
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
>
>> On some of my partitions CHKDSK displays a line:
>>
>> 0 kilobytes are in bad blocks.
>>
>> On others (on the same physical disk) there is no such line.  Anybody know
why?
>>
>> Jim L
>> Remove XX from address to Email
>> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.
>
>

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From: meazell@ibm.net                                   04-Oct-99 07:32:11
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: "Gerald F. Meazell" <meazell@ibm.net>

Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and

the Tyans worked well.  Can someone defend Gigabyte?  Are there other
brands besides Tyan that work well?  Thanks.

--
__________________________________
Gerald F. Meazell
Dallas, Texas
-----------------------------------------------------------
"The one I kiss will be your man." - Judas Iscariot, 33 A.D.
"I am loyal to the United States." - Benedict Arnold, 1776
"OS/2 will be the platform of the 90's." - Bill Gates, 1989
--
In a world without fences, who needs Gates?

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      04-Oct-99 14:49:00
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 Yeah, I could see being addicted to a large screen.  In fact
 I'm a bit scared of bringing home something, being happy
 with it for three months, and then wishing I'd shelled out a
 bit more to get something REALLY big.  I might skip lunch
 for a few months and see about the Provia after all. 

IMHO: Get a better quality (not the cheapest series) of a 21" monitor from any
of the well known vendors and add a fast 1600x1200 graphics card to it.

You won't regret it (it's really awesome to use, and if you use your computer
daily you will appreciate it for many, many years to come).

Important:

But be aware that different monitors has *very* different characteristics, and
which one you should select depends on what you will use and optimize it for.

Example:

If you want to do mostly text editing or wire frame CAD/CAM I would suggest a
21" Hitachi monitor who is extremely sharp (but not so good color balance as
many of the other 21" monitors). 

If your more into photo editing, 3D-animation, DTP or digital video I would
suggest a 21" Philips from the professional series (not the cheaper business
series) who has extremely good color balance (but not as sharp as the best 21"
Hitachi monitors).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      04-Oct-99 14:49:00
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Rod Smith [] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 In sum, it's a very, very poor example of a survey.  Of course, the same
 is true of most Internet-based surveys, and for the same reasons.

I agree (mostly). 

All self selected surveys is just advocacy, regardless if you select your
favorite OS, games, car, etc. Especially on Internet as it's so easy to also
tilt the results by sending "campaign notes" to email lists, usenet, etc (have
seen it done many times, including also in this particular newsgroup).

I disregard all such "polls" as plain childish behavior, and also don't think
that anyone with their mind right takes them seriously for one second.

That said I think it's possible to do at least fairly good Internet-based
surveys (even if not as good as real ones) if you write some good software at
the server who randomly selects a visitor to the site/page and ask him to
participate in the survey. 

Even if it's also in this case is hard to make it really safe against cheating
it's possible with some algorithms who detects unnatural patterns (suddenly
too many visitors from same the IP, etc).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      04-Oct-99 15:00:00
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Csaba Raduly [SOPHOS Plc] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 > Actually, Jerry was quite an avid OS/2 user at one time. 

That's how I remember it as well. I think he liked it a lot.
 
 and his conclusions about OS/2 were (I can't remember what version,
 but it was the early eighties) :
 
 "A better DOS than DOS ? Yes. A better Windows than Windows ? No"

Perhaps he had some compatibility problems with some Windows application?

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: cocke@ibm.net                                     04-Oct-99 09:19:11
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: GRADD .8 screwed up video install

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@ibm.net>

I haven't encountered the problem, but it sounds like you may need to 
fool around with the DSPINSTL program, which, on my system, is located 
in /OS2/INSTALL/VGA.  I don't know where you'd look for docs on this 
program, but if you run it with the parameter HELP, displays what looks 
like the initial install video driver select.   YMMV, and at your own 
risk.



On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:53:06 GMT, Duncan Munro wrote:

>I recently tried to install GRADD .8 on a Warp4/FP10 machine with a
>S3765 PCI card. The install failed and now I cannot reinstall my older
>S3 2.8.4 drivers. using setvga gets me a plain VGA install but when I
>try to install the older drivers it fails with an "unable to find
>valid .dsp file" or words to that effect. Has anyone else run into
>this problem?
>
>TIA
>
>Duncan
>

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From: bdavis@fn.net                                     03-Oct-99 23:30:03
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis)

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:24:56, wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) wrote:

> In <UzTquBBFVYHy-pn2-4ZU59v0BlTd1@Zeus>, bdavis@fn.net (Brian Davis) writes:
> >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:36:17, "/2 User" <nospam_evr@spam.net> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=12029&PCID=11878
> >> 
> >> It is still number one according to this Deja news site. What the hell is 
IBM
> >> thinking?
> 
> >That survey doesn't count because there's only
> >two of us using OS/2, it's your turn to vote the
> >next 3000 times. ;-O
> 
> O where have we heard that before.
> 
> _That is a good survey. Big time.  We know how the survey 
> was taken, know the questions that were asked and so can 
> discuss biases in them.  We know how the responses were 
> analyzed and can look at the results and evaluate them for 
> ourselves.  There are lots of details in the presented
> results, lots of juice. There are lots of responses, and 
> from all over.  The survey operators didn't bias the 
> results with analysis or comments.
> 
> There are a couple of hints that the results were _not
> loaded (Ha!).  First, there are 324 comments with 3200
> responses for OS/2, which is a lot of comments, a high
> ratio.  Second, I travel in OS/2 circles and didn't
> see a call to load this survey.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Kovacs
> Guelph Ontario Canada
> 
> 
Dude.............this was my shallow attempt
at some humor.

Brian Davis (bdavis@fn.net)

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                04-Oct-99 10:06:25
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>There is nothing in POPUPLOG.OS2. pronews/2 is
>still working, but I think I will shut it down (I am working offline), and
boot
>the system, before I continue.

>Guess I will have to back out FP12. This just isn't going to work,  unless
>someone can suggest something a little less drastic...

I don't know what's going on, but I had a few lock ups for a couple days.  I
boot every morning.  Since the first couple days it seems to be OK.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               04-Oct-99 14:35:26
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:

[ .. ]

> Gosh, Pierre, I dunno.  Trevor Hemsley is an absolute expert
> in this area.  I just finished several hours with a Warp City
> member who is finally back online.  He had upgraded to FP12
> without a problem then tried the beta release of SDD and it
> it screwed up video.  He didn't want to but had no other recourse
> but to reinstall OS/2 from scratch.
> 
> Once reinstalled he tried upgrading to FP12 and hit a trap
> error and the system would not go on any further.  He couldn't
> back out the FP12 so he reinstalled again and posted in the
> setup newsgroup.  There Trevor advised he rem out the sound
> card statement and try again.  By then he had contacted me
> and I advised he upgrade the sound card driver before upgrading
> to FP12 again.  He did that then tried FP12 and it worked.
> 
> Before starting that RSU IBM should offer a small Uninstall
> program for download 'just in case'.  The WC member was so
> frustrated he was ready to throw in the OS/2 towel.
> 
> Trevor is here:
> 
> Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com

Now this is neat. First starting of (and fully justified that is) telling
someone Trevor is the real expert. Then telling that you have wor-
ked with an WC-member for hours. Trevor did advise him, but your
advise was something else, yours was followed and voila it worked.
Neatly implying that Trevor was wrong without proving it, because his
advice might have worked also. BTW therre is some info on soundcards
and FP12 in the readme. As well as for Pierre about IBMDASD not to be
used from the fixpack if asked. But that is not the point I am writing this.
Af-
ter implying that Trevor was wrong (and obviously not wanting to give help 
here to Pierre for that many hours he worked with this WC-mmber) Tim simply
gives Pierre the email-adresses of Trevor. Ever thought of net-etiquette Tim?
If
some poster puts a question here and Trevor does not chime in (for reasons
which
are competely to HIS sole discretion), who on earth is Tim Martin then to send 
the or-
iginal poster to Trevors mailbox. Puting Trevor into the awkward position to
decide to
push the poster off or to step over the reasons why he choose not to chime in
over here.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               04-Oct-99 15:34:07
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-6TobdERDhfDn@poblano>,
	l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) writes:
> 
> According to what they told me explicitly when I complained about the 
> absence of footnote support, "the" programmer had left the company at short
> notice, and had not been replaced.

DeScribe 5 certainly does support footnotes.  Earlier versions did not,
IIRC, though I believe they did support endnotes.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               04-Oct-99 15:49:14
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: Xywrite and OS/2 

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:33:03, Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca> wrote:
| 	Ah, your co-author on the Describe manual
| 	Herb Tyson wrote one of the better books, referred
| 	to as the Tyson Bible, on Xywrite and its clever
| 	internal toggles and switches and what you can 
| 	do with it besides going faster than a speeding
| 	bullet, leap tall buildings at a single keystroke,
| 	etc. ...

Wow... I haven't heard from or of Herb Tyson in years! I wonder what 
he's up to?

| : Other than spell checking, I do most of my dictionary checking online 
| : these days. IIRC, dictionary.com is the one that'll look up a word in 
| : several dictionaries at once. Great stuff.

| 	And thesaurus, or don't you use them?

Not too often... maybe once every couple of weeks.

--Esther

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From: cytan@fnal.gov                                    04-Oct-99 14:05:27
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: TP 390E Modem

From: cytan@fnal.gov (Cheng-Yang Tan)

In message <37F81AAA.3C78F971@ibm.net> - Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:10:34 -0700Mike
Hammock <mhammoc@ibm.net> writes:
:>
:>What's the trick to making OS/2 recgonize the Lucent modem in my new
:>TP390E ??  I realize I can't run it 'fast', but thought that I should be
:>able
:>to connect at 28800 or so. I did install the modem driver, and it
:>doesn't
:>complain, but the IBM Dialer does not 'find' the model at any COM (1-3).
:>
:>What's the trick?
:>
:>  Thanks
:>  Mike
:>


OS/2 does not recognize the modem unless it is at:

		port address 2E8, IRQ3. address range 108-10F and IRQ10

You can go to www.os2ss.com/users/drmartinus/notebook.htm for more setup tips.


Cheng-Yang Tan

P.S. If you do change the ports to the above, remember to set it up so that it
is also looking at this port in Win9? because Win9? resets it back to the
value
it remembers.



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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              04-Oct-99 07:27:24
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:06
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 07:32:22 -0400, Gerald F. Meazell wrote:

>Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
>could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
>
>the Tyans worked well.  Can someone defend Gigabyte?  Are there other
>brands besides Tyan that work well?  Thanks.
>
>--
>__________________________________
>Gerald F. Meazell
>Dallas, Texas
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>"The one I kiss will be your man." - Judas Iscariot, 33 A.D.
>"I am loyal to the United States." - Benedict Arnold, 1776
>"OS/2 will be the platform of the 90's." - Bill Gates, 1989
>--
>In a world without fences, who needs Gates?


I have two Micronics W6-LI dual Pentium Pros with no trouble




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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               04-Oct-99 14:45:04
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:07
Subj: Re: GRADD .8 screwed up video install

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> dunmunro@direct.ca (Duncan Munro) wrote:

> I recently tried to install GRADD .8 on a Warp4/FP10 machine with a
> S3765 PCI card. The install failed and now I cannot reinstall my older
> S3 2.8.4 drivers. using setvga gets me a plain VGA install but when I
> try to install the older drivers it fails with an "unable to find
> valid .dsp file" or words to that effect. Has anyone else run into
> this problem?

No, I ran into other problems trying GRADD .8 with an S3 Trio card.
That is, using the S3 option of that GRADD, when I did it again with
the generic SVGA option GEN it worked. Perhaps trying GEN gives you
the functionality of the card again without need of going back to S3-drivers?

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              04-Oct-99 07:55:01
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:07
Subj: Re: FP12 - Results

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

I've had something quite odd happen around the time I installed FP12. I
don't know it was FP12 which caused it, and I'm not even sure it is a
problem.

I ran a CHKDSK on a FAT partition the day after installing FP12 and it
announced there were hundreds of orphaned extended attributes. I ran
CHKDSK on all my other FAT partitions with the same result. No such
problem on HPFS (not suprisingly). Now, I know it wasn't Windoze which
did this to me as my Win95 lives in a partition which is mutually hidden
vis-a-vis my OS/2 boot partition, my OS/2 boot partition had over 1,600
orphaned EAs and I've not booted Windoze for about two weeks anyway.

After backing up EA DATA. SF on all of these FAT partitions, I allowed
CHKDSK to fix the orphaned EAs. This filled the root directory with
EA*.CHK files, which I then deleted and ran CHKDSK again. This time it
created loads of FILE*.CHK files from the fragments of EA DATA. SF which
it had failed to recover the first time. After this, I can discern
nothing wrong with the system. Except that ...

Shortly afterwards when I wasn't looking OS/2 trapped and died (first
time this has happened in as long as I can remember). This resulted in
an automatic CHKDSK of my boot partition (I thought I'd edited the
DISKCACHE statement to prevent this for the time being, but accidentally
left a comma on the end, so it used the default). Same scenario as for
the other FAT partition except there were so many orphaned EAs that it
took three CHKDSK runs to clean up.

After all this, and to my considerable suprise, my OS/2 is working
normally! I notice that FP12 contains what is at least IBM's second
attempt at fixing "FAT Performance Degradation". I'm wondering if
cleaning out the EAs more thoroughly is part (or all) of that. The only
thing makes me really dubious is that having found the mass or orphaned
EAs, I booted a tiny Warp 3 partition I keep for playing with, and this
hasn't been serviced for 18 months: it found the same lot of orphaned
EAs.

The fact that W3 found the orphaned EAs suggests that it wasn't changes
in W4's CHKDSK which caused this, but something else.

Anyone any ideas? Seen the same thing? BTW, my OS/2 boot drive
previously had about 120M of EAs (32K clusters!) and now it has "only"
about 70M. I don't mind getting 50M back of course, but I'd like to know
why this suddenly happened.

Oh, one other recent change was applying the new UniMaint CSD, and I've
run Repair once since: there was no indication in the CSD doc. nor in
what I told it to do which suggested a cleanup of this magnitude would
result.

Graham.

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From: ronblatt@my-deja.com                              04-Oct-99 14:46:12
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:07
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: ronblatt@my-deja.com

In article <37F7FD95.72808158@linkline.com>,
  "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> wrote:
> You're gonna have to tell us more about how you lost it. What you did
> will probably affect recoverability.
>
> Graham.
>
Well, I tried installing Debian Linux, and wrote over the MBR in the
process. To get back BootManager, I booted OS/2 from floppies, and
reinstalled BM, and even tried an "fdisk /newmbr." When I booted then it
said that the partition table was wrong and wouldn't load anything.
Booting from a floppy again I went into DFSee and tried the NEWMBR
command, but used the "clean" option with it. That's where I am


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From: esther@bitranch.com                               04-Oct-99 15:49:22
  To: All                                               04-Oct-99 22:07:07
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

Csaba, I think you got a few misquotes in there... I didn't make the 
comment about Jerry's personality.

In any case, there were quite a few people who believed that OS/2 
didn't cut it on the "better Windows than Windows." Personally, I did 
my best to avoid Windows applications -- I much prefer native apps for
any OS -- so it wasn't a hot button for me.

--Esther

On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:48:23, Csaba Raduly <csaba.raduly@sophos.com> 
wrote:

| Esther Schindler wrote:
| > 
| [snip]
| > 
| > | You can be absolutely sure -- ahead of time, and sight unseen -- that
| > | this piece wasn't written by Pournelle.  Though
| > | generally astute, he could be a real equine's hind quarters
| 
| You've been exercising your Thesaurus / synonyms ? :-)
| 
| > | on certain subjects . . .  usually involving s/w, and particularly
| > | in regard to OS/2.
| > 
| > Actually, Jerry was quite an avid OS/2 user at one time. 
| 
| I remember reading one of his columns about Yet Another Great Install
| (he seemed to be quite trigger-happy to load all kinds of stuff)
| and his conclusions about OS/2 were (I can't remember what version,
| but it was the early eighties) :
| 
| "A better DOS than DOS ? Yes. A better Windows than Windows ? No"
| 
| Csaba

| Csaba Raduly,    Software Developer (OS/2),    Sophos Anti-Virus
| mailto:csaba.raduly@sophos.com            http://www.sophos.com/
| US Support +1 888 SOPHOS 9            UK Support +44 1235 559933
| Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts.


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From: rmahoney@_REMOVE_THIS_netusa.net                  05-Oct-99 01:03:20
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: SmartCache

From: rmahoney@_REMOVE_THIS_netusa.net (Robert Mahoney)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:01:13, jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John 
Hong) wrote:
 
> 	Is it possible to have both SmartCache and Internet Junkbuster 
> running at the same time for a browser?  There is only room there for one 
> http proxy...

  Sure, I have them chained.   Netscape has a localhost proxy to port 
8080 which is the Smart Cache port.  In the Smart Cache config file 
have a line

#parent proxy (if any). PORT NUMBER IS REQUIRED!
http_proxy 127.0.0.1 8000

  And that will write it to the junkbuster port of 8000.

  I think this line was also needed:

#if you want to use this proxy as forwarder, enter it your primary
#forwarding hostname - NOT URL!
default_forward_for localhost

Bob


Robert Mahoney
2Rud Software and Consulting
http://www.netusa.net/~rmahoney

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From: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.c...               05-Oct-99 01:13:23
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

Message sender: Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk

From: Roland Pinches <Roland.Pinches@rolypoly.force9.co.uk>

I'm using an ASUS P2B-DS with 2 Pentium II 400Mhz processors. Not found
any problems at all, even with the onboard SCSI (AIC7890) unlike some
Compaq motherboards with onboard SCSI!

Roland.

"Gerald F. Meazell" wrote:
> 
> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
> 
> the Tyans worked well.  Can someone defend Gigabyte?  Are there other
> brands besides Tyan that work well?  Thanks.
> 
> --
> __________________________________
> Gerald F. Meazell
> Dallas, Texas
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> "The one I kiss will be your man." - Judas Iscariot, 33 A.D.
> "I am loyal to the United States." - Benedict Arnold, 1776
> "OS/2 will be the platform of the 90's." - Bill Gates, 1989
> --
> In a world without fences, who needs Gates?

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From: irstan@my-deja.com                                05-Oct-99 01:35:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: FDISK Dell 2300 Array Problem

From: irstan@my-deja.com

FDISK fails saying it can't run because another process is using
it. The problem happens with Warp 3 and Warp 4.

The system is a Dell 2300/450 with 2 8.5GB SCSI drives attached
to PERC controller, and the drives are set up as RAID 1
(mirrored). The machine won't boot with the IBMINT13 driver
loaded so I have rem'd it out of config.sys.

Any clues anyone?
--
Stan


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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 04-Oct-99 22:34:20
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)
spake unto us, saying:

>Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> writes:
> 
>> Sorry, Pierre -- this isn't necessarily directed at you, and I know it
>> isn't directly helpful.  But why on earth do so many people insist on
>> applying operating system upgrades without making backups?
>
>Because it was my distinct impression that the upgrade *did* a backup
>before anything else!

Maybe I'm more paranoid than most, but I've seen enough people in your
type of situation over the years (burned by a trusted operating system
upgrade, be it from IBM or otherwise) that I no longer will trust *any*
backup/restoral mechanism that I've not seen already work correctly on
my system.

I generally take a DriveImage snapshot before I do anything major, be
it a FixPak install, a Netscape or StarOffice install, or anything of
that nature.  I've been burned before, but never again -- I want to be
able to get back to a known recovery point.

>I did buy a CDRW to make backups, but I got it only on Friday, and I
>haven't yet figured out how to use it.

That's probably a good longer-term backup solution.

I'd generally recommend using something like DriveImage (or ZIP, or an
equivalent disk-to-disk backup mechanism) and a little bit of dedicated
hard drive space in addition to a CD-RW or tape, tho, for making quick
and dirty backups before an OS installation or whatever.  It takes less
effort, and thus is more likely to be done every time.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
               .syarthsa htiw loohcS hgiH tsuj si egelloC

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From: ronblatt@my-deja.com                              05-Oct-99 02:24:05
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: ronblatt@my-deja.com

Would you believe this worked?... While I still had my computer booted
and accesing partitions, I used DFSee to recreate the exact partition
environment that I had before I accidentally erased it. (I used an image
for BootManager that I happened to have made before). I backed up some
files, held my breath, and rebooted. Not only did it boot up, but it
fixed some weird error I had with LILO and BM. Thanks for everyone's
help t


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From: jay-lensgraf@ouhsc.edu                            05-Oct-99 03:01:24
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: Help!! Partition table lost

From: jay-lensgraf@ouhsc.edu (Jay Lensgraf)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:24:10, ronblatt@my-deja.com wrote:

> Would you believe this worked?... While I still had my computer booted
> and accesing partitions, I used DFSee to recreate the exact partition
> environment that I had before I accidentally erased it. (I used an image
> for BootManager that I happened to have made before). I backed up some
> files, held my breath, and rebooted. Not only did it boot up, but it
> fixed some weird error I had with LILO and BM. Thanks for everyone's
> help t
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

Please tell us (me!) what DFSee is and where we can get it.

Regards,
Jay

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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              04-Oct-99 20:54:23
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-sdcdiCokmLWw@localhost>, on 10/04/99 
   at 08:56 AM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

> How many times a day does someone ask why the can't install  warp3, or
> 4, on a large hard drive?). M$ must answer similar questions over, and
> over again. The only real difference, is that M$ is willing  to do that,
> and IBM is not.

No, MS mostly avoids answering questions like that by forcing their OEM
customers to do it.  If you get Windows or Office on your Gateway
computer, you have to call Gateway, not MS.

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Monday, October 04, 1999 - 08:54 PM (EDT)
============================================================
MR/2 Ice tag:  All generalizations are false.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 04-Oct-99 22:51:05
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:03:34 -0500, Richard Steiner wrote:
>
>>>$209 for two years for TCP/IP 4.1 and a possible new Netscape and a
>>>possible Java 2 seems expensive to me, especially when the latter 2
>>>are free for WinXX.

Doug, I did not write the text you're attributing to me.  Please be
careful when quoting.

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
           You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 04-Oct-99 23:40:20
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

>Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
> Yeah, I could see being addicted to a large screen.  In fact
> I'm a bit scared of bringing home something, being happy
> with it for three months, and then wishing I'd shelled out a
> bit more to get something REALLY big.  I might skip lunch
> for a few months and see about the Provia after all. 
>
>IMHO: Get a better quality (not the cheapest series) of a 21" monitor from
any
>of the well known vendors and add a fast 1600x1200 graphics card to it.
>
>You won't regret it (it's really awesome to use, and if you use your computer
>daily you will appreciate it for many, many years to come).
>
>Important:
>
>But be aware that different monitors has *very* different characteristics,
and
>which one you should select depends on what you will use and optimize it for.
>
>Example:
>
>If you want to do mostly text editing or wire frame CAD/CAM I would suggest a
>21" Hitachi monitor who is extremely sharp (but not so good color balance as
>many of the other 21" monitors). 
>
>If your more into photo editing, 3D-animation, DTP or digital video I would
>suggest a 21" Philips from the professional series (not the cheaper business
>series) who has extremely good color balance (but not as sharp as the best
21"
>Hitachi monitors).

I do appreciate your advice, Martin, especially considering
the vehemence of a flame or two I have directed at you in
the past. 

I'm sure you're absolutely correct; alas at the moment, desk
and wallet space allow me only a fairly cheap model -- or
rather, a decent model at a cheap price.  If I had a nice
big desk in a floor-through office, I'd love to use a 21"
monitor, but it looks like I'm settling on a lesser one --
in fact on one of the cheaper 17" Philips models (if my bid
holds up).  And if it doesn't, I'll continue exploring. 
Truth is, I'm a perfect candidate for a flat-screen model,
but it's out of my range.

Thanks.

>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>
>-- 
>Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
>CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
>d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 04-Oct-99 23:56:28
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

madodel@ptdprolog.net (Mark Dodel) wrote:

>The Organization exists already.  VOICE has been doing this since 
>1997.  What we need is more people to join VOICE, not start new 
>organnizations.  If you want to help, go to http://www.os2voice.org 
>and check out the meeting information.  There is a meeting tonight at 
>8PM EST, on IRC.  That's on WEBBnet in #voice.  Sundial Systems will 
>be there to take questions.
>
>VOICE has been involved in educating the OS/2 community via our 
>free-to-all Speakup sessions, monthly Newsletter, and our web site.  
>We have worked closely with the people that have put on Warpstock and 
>Warp Expo West.  We are currently involved in a project to reactivate 
>the old Warp Pharmacy for providing online help to OS/2 users.  In 
>addition  we are also working on a project to provide a user based 
>replacement for OS/2.
>
>What we need is more members, to become a bigger force to deal with 
>IBM.  Please consider adding your voice.

Mark -- 

I've always respected and enjoyed your writing.  And despite
my general ignorance and lack of the sorts of resources that
would eg, allow me to go to Warpstocks, I could hardly be
unaware of the things you folks do.

I would have liked to join up on IRC tonight but I'm
swamped, and my multitasking doesn't come close to rivaling
OS/2's.  But I'm interested.  At the moment, the ngs stretch
my capacity to keep up with OS/2 doings.  All I can say is
I'm in favor of VOICE, and I'll do my best to add my own.

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: derwin@airmail.net                                04-Oct-99 23:09:28
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> 

> 
>  Ventura's no longer anywhere on top for real DTP. It's Quark,
>  Pagemaker, and arguably Framemaker. (We use Framemaker on the Mac to
>  put together _extended attributes_.)
> 
> InDesign (from the same owner of the older PageMaker and FrameMaker
products):
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/main.html
> 
> A worthy, if not the only, package to compete with Quark for professional
DTP.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> m a r t i n | n
> 
> --
> Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
> CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
> d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

Speaking of DTP, has anyone tried MAUL????
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            04-Oct-99 00:10:28
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: GIMP, XFree86, GhostScript HELP PLEASE.

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

I am trying to open a .EPS file in GIMP.  After getting 
XFree86/XWindows/GIMP setup, the first try said that it couldn't find 
gs.exe (ghostscript) so I installed ghostscript for X11 from Hobbes.  
Didn't work.  I have been advised that ghostscript 5.5 for OS/2 will 
work under XWindows but I'm not convinced of that since the 
executables have different names (I need it to work in conjuction 
(seamlessly) with GIMP which wants to call gs.exe to interpret the 
encapsulated postscript file.)

I can't find any info on how to properly set up ghostscript under 
XFree86/XWindows.

If anyone has done this could you please post the procedure or 
location and name of a readme file which contains detailed info about 
this specific procedure.

I don't just want to run ghostscript, I want it to work in conjuction 
with GIMP under XWindows.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: lazaga1@attglobal.net                             04-Oct-99 23:11:03
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 10-5-99, 3:09:56 AM, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote regarding 
Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed:


> Martin Nisshagen wrote:
> >

> > 
> >  Ventura's no longer anywhere on top for real DTP. It's Quark,
> >  Pagemaker, and arguably Framemaker. (We use Framemaker on the Mac to
> >  put together _extended attributes_.)
> >
> > InDesign (from the same owner of the older PageMaker and FrameMaker 
products):
> >
> > http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/main.html
> >
> > A worthy, if not the only, package to compete with Quark for 
professional DTP.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > m a r t i n | n
> >
> > --
> > Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W 
E R K :-)
> > CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 
450 MHz
> > d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn       
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

> Speaking of DTP, has anyone tried MAUL????
> --
> Dale Erwin
> Dallas, Texas
> <A 
HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

I looked at Maul, but only briefly.  I didn't see a file filter to 
something that can be used by any printer I know?  So you might be 
able to make a pretty document, but couldn't publish it in any 
quantity or quality.

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@attglobal.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: derwin@airmail.net                                04-Oct-99 23:45:24
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net>

When Star Division put up 5.0 for free download, you could get it on
CD (not much cost) and it came with a printed manual.  Can you still
get the printed manual when you buy 5.1 CD from Sun?
-- 
Dale Erwin
Dallas, Texas 
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/5876/index.html">

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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             04-Oct-99 22:06:20
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:51:11 -0500, Richard Steiner wrote:

>Doug, I did not write the text you're attributing to me.  Please be
>careful when quoting.

Sorry. I picked it from a Reply: and got the attributions crossed. I
appologize most profusely for the error.



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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 05-Oct-99 04:51:05
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: IBM Speaks with Forked Tongue

From: hamei@pacbell.net

So I was thinking of getting a new printer, and like any sensible 
OS/2-er the first thing you do is check out the Device Driver page,
while on the way, may as well look at what's happenning in IBM-land . . .

I invite anyone to go here :

http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/09/21.phtml

remember the drill ? "IBM just isn't capable of dealing with small users,
IBM has quite reasonably redirected its business to the large enterprise,"
it is unfortunate, but the SOHO OS/2 user just doesn't fit IBM's current 
strategic strength, the large enterprise," you know all the stories by 
heart by now. 

So explain this ?? 

"On September 21, in a continued effort to support the needs of 
 small businesses, IBM announced IBM Small Business WebConnections . . .

" This solution provides services for up to 100 users . . . 

"For small businesses just getting started -- and looking to automate
 in the easiest, most cost-effective way -- the IBM/Whistle offering is 
 almost a 'no brainer.'

"In addition, the SuccessLease program for small 
 business equipment financing will be available to subscribers . . .

"With this solution, IBM also announced two new programs geared 
  to help the channels provide e-business solutions to the small 
  business market. 

"For more information, visit the <a href="http://www.ibm.com/smallbusiness">
 <b>IBM Small Business Center</b></a> 

"IBM Small Business WebConnections, a subscription-based,
 comprehensive Internet offering that provides all of the hardware, 
 software and services a company needs to harness the power of the 
 Internet through a single connection, starting at $99 per month.

and my favorite, for a company "not equipped to deal with the small user"

""The new offering is targeted at companies with five to 100 PCs, that 
   have a computer network (or are ready for one), minimal computer 
   expertise on staff, limited technology budget . . ."


Look around www.ibm.com . . . look at the 400 offerings for every OTHER
system but the one IBM sold us as a "solution" . . . 

It certainly looks as if we've been loaded in the boxcars . . . several people 

are assuring us of the palatial estates awaiting us in Poland . . . 


--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               04-Oct-99 22:53:12
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 04:01:06
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:03:03 -0400, davisfnospam@union.edu wrote:

>'Cry-baby', 'whiner', 'welfare-taker' - jeez, in the last couple of days,
>the OS/2 'community' has come up with more negative epithets for its
>members than any of the other OS adherents! 
>

Yes, it's really not necessary.

>You know the concern that motivates the so-called 'whining' is not so much
>having to pay for stuff as the desire to read the tea-leaves of IBM's
>support of OS/2. 
>

I don't think there is any unclear message for several years.   It's only a
question of how we get along without IBM.

>I don't mind paying for Netscape in the future or Java. I won't pay for
>vague promises of non-committal delivery of nothing in particular of use
>to me. Note: I am not characterizing Software Choice in these terms; I
>still don't fully understand what is on offer.

May be it's uneasy for you but I have always paid for software maintanance.  
This is no different.   For as long as IBM takes your money, OS/2 is not
dead.   On the other hand, it might not actually buy you anything that you
want.


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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    05-Oct-99 02:30:17
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>
> The driver for an ESS 1869 soundcard. Use Alt+F1 to boot up to a command
> prompt then use TEDIT to REM out the line that refers to it
> (ESS1869.SYS?).

I had to use the installation floppies to get a command prompt, the system
was crashing before it got to the prompt when coming from the hard disk.

Anyway, I REM'd the two lines with the offending string and the system
boots. How do I get my sound card back? It's a no-name clone without
manual...

Incidentally, I discovered that when booting from floppies the third one
seems "locked" in the drive. If I put another floppy in the drive after I
get the command prompt, a DIR still gives me the beginning of the listing
for the diskette that was removed, not the one in the drive.

Even worse, the TEDIT on diskette 1 "cannot be run in an OS/2 session".
There's something very screwy going on! (The one in \OS2 on the hard drive 
worked fine.)

Pierre, still worried, and still without Netscape.
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 05-Oct-99 01:12:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>
spake unto us, saying:

>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:51:11 -0500, Richard Steiner wrote:
>
>>Doug, I did not write the text you're attributing to me.  Please be
>>careful when quoting.
>
>Sorry. I picked it from a Reply: and got the attributions crossed. I
>appologize most profusely for the error.

Yeah, I know that's easy enough to do.  I didn't mean to sound grumpy
about it (if I did).  :-)

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              Hot water Heaters:  hot water needs heating?

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           05-Oct-99 01:59:19
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg
> <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
> > controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
> > works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
> >
> > BTW the size and date of the file is 24136 1998/09/30 21:14:00
> > IBMIDECD.FLT From FixPack12
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> 
> Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
> MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with
> windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
> circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.


Yes Im sure. I have two Matrox drives ( a master 13.6G 7200RPM and a
slave 13.6G 5400RPM ) hooked to the primary controller. The DVD-CDROM is
connected to the secondary controller acting as a slave.



> 
> The basic rule (for each controller), is that if a controller has a
> single device attached, it MUST be a MASTER. If there is a second
> device attached, it MUST be a SLAVE. If your device won't work, as a
> single device on the interface, as a MASTER, then it is breaking the
> rules, especially, if it does work as a SLAVE, without a MASTER.


Sorry but the rules don't apply here. ASUS P2B 128Mb, TNT2-Ultra, WARP
4.0 FP12 and the above combination of drives.


Robert,

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From: rdohrenburg@hotmail.com                           05-Oct-99 02:13:14
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: Robert Dohrenburg <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>

Doug Bissett wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg
> <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
> > controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
> > works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
> >
> > BTW the size and date of the file is 24136 1998/09/30 21:14:00
> > IBMIDECD.FLT From FixPack12
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> 
> Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
> MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with
> windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
> circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.
> 
> The basic rule (for each controller), is that if a controller has a
> single device attached, it MUST be a MASTER. If there is a second
> device attached, it MUST be a SLAVE. If your device won't work, as a
> single device on the interface, as a MASTER, then it is breaking the
> rules, especially, if it does work as a SLAVE, without a MASTER.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************


Just an update on my reply.

This is what I get from rmview:

/START
  Adapter: PCI_Bus_0
  Device Type: OTHER          Bus/Width: PLANAR 32 BIT

    Adapter: IDE_0 ST506/IDE Controller
    Device Type: MS-IDE         Bus/Width: PCI 16 BIT
    IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
    I/O = 0X01F0  Len =   8  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
    I/O = 0X03F6  Len =   1  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16

      Device: HD_0 Maxtor 91536U6                         FIXED  DISK


      Device: HD_1 Maxtor 91360D8                         FIXED  DISK


    Adapter: IDE_1 ST506/IDE Controller
    Device Type: MS-IDE         Bus/Width: PCI 16 BIT
    IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
    I/O = 0X0170  Len =   8  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
    I/O = 0X0376  Len =   1  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16

      Device: HD_0 Hard Drive   FIXED  DISK

      Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM Drive   FIXED  CDROM

    Adapter: AIC7870_0  Adaptec AIC7870
    Device Type: MS-SCSI        Bus/Width: PCI 32 BIT
    I/O = 0XD000  Len =  16  Flg = EXCLUSIVE   Addr Lines = 16
    IRQ Level = 11  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = SHARED

      Device: DISK_(3,0)  iomega   jaz 1GB          G.60      DISK

/END

I dont have a secondary master, so why is rmview reporting a "Hard
Drive"?


Robert,

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From: jan.eri@protector-group.no                        05-Oct-99 07:36:27
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 05:20:19
Subj: BA/2 support HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

From: jan.eri@protector-group.no (Jan Eri)

Does anyone know whether BA/2 supports HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

Thanx,
Jan

----------------------------------
Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
Work: http://www.protector-group.no
Priv: http://home.eunet.no/~jeri/

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               05-Oct-99 09:33:28
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:

>> But first get your backup CD RW working. If you can
>> get to a point where you can write files to the RW-disk
>> get yourself a copy of DreckBak and InfoZip's utilities. So
>> create a backup first to a free portion of any partition if you
>> like and write a copy of that with standard copy / xcopy to RW.
 
> Problem is how to do that without a browser. This is my first foray
> with CDR and without documentation I'm pretty much stuck.

I understood from your previous post you had Warp's
WebExplorer working, or else the 486 you are now using. 

DreckBak is at: http://www.bmtmicro.com/catalog/dreckbak.html and QF
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?dir=/pub/os2/system/patches/fixpack

If you cannot get at those (even not by OS/2 standard FTP) let me know if
you need me to mail it to you and where (by email of course <g> never throw
standard email-adresses on Usenet). I suppose you have Infozip's utilities on
disk somwhere. After using Dreckbak (REXX script so Rexx installed is needed)
and InfoZip you will have gigantic ZIP-file containing your partition. If you
can 
connect to the CD-Rw in writing mode you can put that one onto the RW-disk.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            05-Oct-99 04:41:04
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <xvzjnvpfcnztbgbtneontrqrygnargpbz.fj3zw70.pminews@news.deltanet.com>,
on 10/04/99 
   at 10:53 PM, "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com> said:


>I don't think there is any unclear message for several years.   It's only
>a question of how we get along without IBM.

You are absolutely right.

>>I don't mind paying for Netscape in the future or Java. I won't pay for
>>vague promises of non-committal delivery of nothing in particular of use
>>to me. Note: I am not characterizing Software Choice in these terms; I
>>still don't fully understand what is on offer.

>May be it's uneasy for you but I have always paid for software
>maintanance.   This is no different.   For as long as IBM takes your
>money, OS/2 is not dead.   On the other hand, it might not actually buy
>you anything that you want.

Well, that's it in a nutshell. 

About getting from them what I want, I want to remain optimistic.

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    04-Oct-99 05:54:19
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-sdcdiCokmLWw@localhost>,
doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:59:21, Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com> wrote:
>
>> IBM moved on and put their assets to work where they thought they could
>> realize the biggest customer set and business opportunity.
>>  
>
>True. But, in the past, IBM has rarely moved on, without something 
>BETTER (or, at least equivalent) to replace what was. 
>
>I believe the biggest "problem" that IBM has with OS/2 in a SOHO 
>environment, is that they just don't want to get involved with 
>answering beginner's questions 800 times a day (I can't really blame 
>them, but it is frustrating for the "dedicated" user. Look at the news
>groups. How many times a day does someone ask why the can't install 
>warp3, or 4, on a large hard drive?). M$ must answer similar questions
>over, and over again. The only real difference, is that M$ is willing 
>to do that, and IBM is not.


If your copy of Windows came with a computer, they'll send you back to
where you bought it.  Even when they are willing you talk to you, 
their help seems to be "It's <some other apps> fault".



 -- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: Mackan@SpamMeNot.se                               05-Oct-99 11:37:29
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Installing FIX-pack

From: "Mackan" <Mackan@SpamMeNot.se>

Hello there

I was trying to install the fixpack (fixpack 11 for os/2 warp 4.) , not
using diskettes or the web.
There was a way described in a readme-fil that followed the FIX141-disk.
And that I instead used a program called SVdisk, that faked a DISK-drive, to
make it possible
to unpack the disketts to the local harddrive.

Then when I'm trying to run SERVICE it will not update the system, I get the
following error
"Error opening ir creating logfile" in the "Corrective Service Facility
Message".

I have made the SET's that are necessary, but I'll not work anyway.
The instructions that I've been testing are included in the readme file is
as follows :
--------------------------------------
  First, setup a directory to hold the FixTool code. For example,
  run the following to place the FixTool into the d:\csf directory.

|       cs_141.exe d:\csf

  Next, setup the FixPak directory using the diskette images.
        loaddskf xr_w035.1dk j: /f/y/q
        xcopy j: d:\xr_w035\ /h/o/t/s/e/r/v
        loaddskf xr_w035.2dk j: /f/y/q
        xcopy j: d:\xr_w035\ /h/o/t/s/e/r/v
        ...
        ...
        ...        <repeat for each disk image in the FixPak>

  Install the FixPak by running service.exe.
        set csfutilpath=d:\csf
        set csfcdromdir=d:\xr_w035
        d:
        cd csf
        service  (or start service)
---------------------------------------
End Readme-file.

Any suggestions how to succseed in applying a fixpack is very helpful.
I have applyed the FIXpack 7 on this computer, but that was a year ago, and
I did use disketts then, but I hade disketts,
so I wanna figure this out, so I don't have to use the disks.
Why havn't IBM figured out an easy way to upgrade OS/2.

any suggestions or tips please mail them to
arkus.forsblom@nospam.com  ----> Important : Change the "nospam" to "TELIA"
!!!



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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    05-Oct-99 05:55:11
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 10:27:11
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <37F885F7.D9DE94B8@sophos.com>,
Csaba Raduly <csaba.raduly@sophos.com> wrote:

>> Actually, Jerry was quite an avid OS/2 user at one time. 
>
>I remember reading one of his columns about Yet Another Great Install
>(he seemed to be quite trigger-happy to load all kinds of stuff)
>and his conclusions about OS/2 were (I can't remember what version,
>but it was the early eighties) :
>
>"A better DOS than DOS ? Yes. A better Windows than Windows ? No"

That would have been interesting, considering there wasn't an OS/2 
until the late '80s (1987?).



-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void                      04-Oct-99 22:46:01
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 11:34:06
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: nospam@sancoatjpsdotnet.void (Sander Nyman)

On 10/04/99 at 10:59 AM, "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>
said:

>On 3 Oct 1999 21:20:26 -0400, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

>->"The file PMMERGE->PMVIOP.122 specified in the PROTSHELL statement on
>line ->2 of the CONFIG.SYS file does not contain a valid program.

>Do you have Process Commander installed? If the answer is yes then you
>have to run some obscure PC command to reinstall its hooks (something
>like PCINSDLL?). IF you use PC then you should really uninstall it before
>you apply the FP then reinstall afterwards.

After applying a FixPak, reboot.  At boot up, press the ALT + F1 keys when
the white OS/2 box in the upper left corner of your screen appears. 
Select F2 for a command line.  Go to your x:\PC\BIN directory.  Type,
PCINSDLL.EXE.  That's it, your good to go.

Sander Nyman

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               05-Oct-99 13:40:03
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 11:34:06
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Here's a trick that MIGHT work in OS/2 (it worked in DOS and
> was mandatory in CP/M) - press CTRL+D when you change the floppy 
> disk in the drive.  That MAY force the OS to notice that you've changed 
> disks.  Note that even if this works in OS2, it's a kludge and you 
> should try to locate and correct the root problem.

Glad you jumped in <g>, as I would have proposed the same (using
a CTRL-key-combo to signal the OS to recognize a diskette-change)
the same. However, from my CP/M days (BTW did Caldere create that
Intel CP/M they talked about on the site last year? Hmm worth a look,
I must have CP/M 2.2 5,25 inch floppies with DBASE III and Wordstar
somewhere in the disk-arcades <g>) I would have remembered CTRL-C.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  05-Oct-99 12:35:06
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 11:34:06
Subj: Re: OT: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:26:03, Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> wrote:

-----------snip---------

> Totally off topic but,
> 
> I have been using my real e-mail and posting to Usenet for a few years
> now and do not see a problem with spam. I never get more that 1-2 spam
> messages per week and I have no filters to speak of. Am I doing
> something wrong? :)

Whatever it is, please post it, so we can all enjoy the same freedom from 
junkmail.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               05-Oct-99 13:40:04
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 11:34:06
Subj: Re: OT: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> wrote:
>
> Totally off topic but,
> 
> I have been using my real e-mail and posting to Usenet for a few years
> now and do not see a problem with spam. I never get more that 1-2 spam
> messages per week and I have no filters to speak of. Am I doing
> something wrong? :)

Think you are doing very well <g>, but I am not sure I can
mimick you (on that <g>). So I prefer to be cautious than sorry.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               05-Oct-99 13:40:05
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 11:34:06
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> jknott@ibm.net (James Knott) wrote:
> 
> If your copy of Windows came with a computer, they'll send you
> back to where you bought it.  Even when they are willing you talk
> to you, their help seems to be "It's <some other apps> fault".

Or you can buy very expensive phone-support contracts. People
in my surroundings who have tried that were not pleased with the
answers and the help they got for the amount and time they spend.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: sbowring+nospam@mpc-data.co.uk                    05-Oct-99 15:56:14
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: Re: GIMP, XFree86, GhostScript HELP PLEASE.

From: "Simon Bowring" <sbowring+nospam@mpc-data.co.uk>

>I am trying to open a .EPS file in GIMP.  After getting 
>XFree86/XWindows/GIMP setup, the first try said that it couldn't find 
>gs.exe (ghostscript) so I installed ghostscript for X11 from Hobbes.  
>Didn't work.  I have been advised that ghostscript 5.5 for OS/2 will 
>work under XWindows but I'm not convinced of that since the 
>executables have different names (I need it to work in conjuction 
>(seamlessly) with GIMP which wants to call gs.exe to interpret the 
>encapsulated postscript file.)

Ghostscript isn't a GUI program, and as such will "work under X
windows"!

GhostView is a GUI front-end to gs.exe and an OS/2 Presentation
Manager version is available - this won't work under X.

I imagine (but don't know) that the OS/2 X version is also a 
front end for gs.exe.

Regards

Simon Bowring


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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             04-Oct-99 05:02:22
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: Re: DESCRIBE Experts needed

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <jSC+3oXf0ztb092yn@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum) writes:
>wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
>
>>In <b2KJ3.941$mp6.45697@typhoon1.gnilink.net>,
rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith) writes:
>>>[Posted and mailed]
>>>In article <7t6gvd$gmq$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
>>>	jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) writes:

>>Almost all OS/2 WPs have a graphical output and use the OS/2 
>>graphical printer drivers, and can't print with wheelprinters.
>>Almost the only exception I know is WordPerfect/2 v5.2, which
>>can use its DOS printer drivers.
>>
>>Does XYWrite have printer drivers for wheelprinters, or does 
>>it only use the OS/2 graphical drivers?
>
>Gosh, I haven't used one of those in years -- an old Okidata
>from about 1986, I think.  But it worked ok, and even if
>that's a few versions of Xywrite ago, I'd imagine someone
>somewhere has printer drivers for it, if they're not still
>bundled with the product.  
>
>Things never got to the point between IBM and Xywrite that
>Xy used OS/2 subsystem to that degree: it's pure DOS app. 
>Where the OS/2-i-zation of Xy really took was in redesigning
>the way it uses memory, and enforcing CUA compliance: hence,
>XyIII was never stable for me under OS/2, but Xy4 has never
>failed.

My workhorse is a wheelprinter and it always will be for 
letters, for the quality of the print.  It's like a Selectric.

Thanks, I'm going to noodle on down and check out Xywrite 4.
I've been using WordPerfect 5.2, but it broke when I installed
Warp 4.



Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           04-Oct-99 21:59:07
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: Re: OpenGL

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 06:14:47 GMT, Glen D wrote:

>
>It hasn't been updates for a while but
>http://www.utsi.com/~kgl/os2-opengl/index.html is a good place to
>start.  You want OGLGOLD.ZIP from IBM's ftp site.  You might also want
>to check out www.scitechsoft.com as well if you already haven't.
>
>
>Glen D
>-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-
>
>
>
>On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:02:32 +0200 (CDT), "Rade Popovic"
><rascho@nospam.iname.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>Where can I download OpenGL for Warp3 (if it is free)?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Rascho
>>e-mail:rascho@iname.com
>>ICQ# 49354974
>>
>>------------------------
>>Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"
>>
>>
>

I have downloaded oglgold.zip but there is no installation
instructions. How do I install this?

Rascho
e-mail:rascho@iname.com
ICQ# 49354974

------------------------
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From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid                      05-Oct-99 13:28:27
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: nospam@savebandwidth.invalid       (John Thompson)

In <937A0191614BD88C.E6EF6B26D1F90FC7.C71EFD5CC7B0E65F@lp.airnews.net>, Dale
Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> writes:

>When Star Division put up 5.0 for free download, you could get it on
>CD (not much cost) and it came with a printed manual.  Can you still
>get the printed manual when you buy 5.1 CD from Sun?

I'm not sure if it comes with Sun's v5.1a, but the printed manual
from v5.0 is nothing special.  It's about 180 pages and thus only
gives a superficial treatment to the package.  And it shows every
sign of having been translated from German by babelfish.

-John (John.Thompson@ibm.net)

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             05-Oct-99 15:34:16
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: USB

From: jsjones@selectric.net

I just noticed the new USBFLPPY driver. It seems to have been available for a 
couple of weeks and supports USB SuperDisk, Zip100 and iFloppy type drives
from 
several manufacturers.

Is anyone using them, yet? How are they?

Gee, I hope this means someone is working on generic camera, printer and
scanner 
drivers, too. Maybe even the Zip250?

_______________________________________________________
selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               05-Oct-99 12:16:27
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: n-way systems? Was: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Trevor Hemsley wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:36:55 GMT, Lorne Sunley wrote:
>
> ->> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
> ->> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable and
>
> I've used Tyan and Supermicro. Both work just fine.
>

How about MULTIprocessors (as opposed to dual)?
I would like to hear from users of n-way systems of both the older OS/2
versions
and WSeB.
There are a number of parameters I feel I need to know more about, such as the
impact of different cache strategies, size of RAM and bus load.


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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               05-Oct-99 12:54:19
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 14:43:29
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

> Maybe now is the time for all good OS/2ers to line up -- and
> put all these new internet pricing and marketing models to
> use.  There's the group buying model we were just discussing
> wrt Symantec, right?  Maybe the time has come to form our
> own user association for the purpose of dealing with IBM.
>

The stress here must be on BUYING. The IBM model has always been very
account-oriented. To be credible, an organization would need to be a
volume purchaser. It would  probably need to be seen as a hardware buyer
as well as an OS/2 customer. This should not be a problem for OS/2
users, of course. IBM make very competitive desktop PCs (PC-300 series)
as well as servers, disk drives and even motherboards. They also sell
home computers made by Acer (branded as IBM Aptiva). I am sure enough
SOHO and private OS/2 users might be interested in such items to make
the total annual value enough that it might be seen as a worthwhile
accountbyIBM.

> ...  After bailed
> on all the other cross-whatever stuff -- PowerPC to CORBA to
> Quicktime and whatever -- at least IBM stuck with Java to
> the hilt.
>

It was not IBM that dropped  Quicktime, it was Apple who turned around
from their brief stint at openness and cooperation. Not that it really
matters - Quicktimeis obsolescentin any case. As to CORBA, IBM are still
charging ahead . Websphere has a CORBA request broker built to the new
CORBA standards.

I still hope they will do something more with PowerPC. A thin
workstation connected to a server might be a good solution even in a
single-user setting, and certainly in a two-user home network.
Unfortunately, the server priceing does not encourage this. A "light"
server with one or two WSOD or Java-OS users might be more useful than a
new fat client, and could also be useful in small branch offices of big
companies.


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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               05-Oct-99 14:01:13
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:


> Refresh rates is something else I've never understood -- of
> course I should be used to higher numbers meaning faster,
> but in this case since I'm running at 85 Hz already, I guess
> it means that switching to 75 (60 certainly) might be a
> noticeable slowdown.  Definitely good to know I probably
> should avoid the $220 one with only 60Hz refresh, I guess.
>

It is not really as simple as that - refresh rate has become a selling
point, but there are more ways to reduce flicker. The best and cheapest is
to use the monitor in a room with subdued lighting. With low ambient light
- less than half the usually recommended foroffices, combined with a
non-glare desk lamp to illuminate your paperwork - the lifespan of the
monitor is dramatically improved. A monitor adjusted for use in low
ambient light will also give better sharpness than the same monitor used
in strong light.

Early CAD systems had to be used in rather dark rooms in order to have
sufficient resolution at all, but it is still a good idea to avoid
brightly lit rooms. For the same monitor and refresh rate, flicker
increases dramatically as you turn up brightness and contrast. Done right,
working in low ambient light (incandescent, because fluorescent has a
flicker of its own which will make screen flicker more noticeable) will be
less fatigueing at the same time as you save money.

One thing is the electricity bill, which is not an issue here (it provides
necessary heating, so most of the year room lighting is "free") but may be
important in other places. Having an expensive monitor last twice as long
is more important. Not only is picture tube bun-in and -out dramatically
reduced, the monitor electronics are drawing much less power (thus running
cooler) as well.

Another important factor is the quality of the phosphors used in the
picture tube. Cheap monitors will often use TV-quality phosphors, which
will give more flicker. On the other hand, some tubes which are optimized
for colour accuracy may have too long persistence at high brightness,
which will be annoying in moving images. The really good ones will have
good short-time persistence, and very low long-time persistence.

In the cinema, you will watch a large image at 24 fps with each picture
shown twice for a 48 fps flicker frequency. This works almost like a
"perfect persistence" phosphor - full brightness followed by a brief total
cutoff while the frame is changed.


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From: pokorne@ibm.net                                   05-Oct-99 12:28:27
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: BA/2 support HP Colorado Travan 20GB?

From: "Stan Pokorney" <pokorne@ibm.net>

On 5 Oct 1999 07:36:54 GMT, Jan Eri wrote:

>Does anyone know whether BA/2 supports HP Colorado Travan 20GB?
>
>Thanx,
>Jan
>
>----------------------------------
>Jan Eri -- Protector AS -- Norway
>Work: http://www.protector-group.no
>Priv: http://home.eunet.no/~jeri/

I Have used the HP T20i for both backup and full restore just fine.
I have the T20i attached to an Adaptec 2940 SCSI card.
 
There is some problem with the tape index that causes me to have 
to recreate the index with BA/2. This occurs if I backup my drives from my
maintenance partition, and then reboot to my C drive and then try to 
backup the maintenance partition. 

Other than that, the drive works fine.
In my opinion, BA/2 is a great product.

Stan Pokorney
 


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Oct-99 16:37:11
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:28, Robert Dohrenburg 
<rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:

>     Adapter: IDE_1 ST506/IDE Controller
>     Device Type: MS-IDE         Bus/Width: PCI 16 BIT
>     IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED
>     I/O = 0X0170  Len =   8  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
>     I/O = 0X0376  Len =   1  Flg = MULTIPLEXED Addr Lines = 16
>  
>       Device: HD_0 Hard Drive   FIXED  DISK
>  
>       Device: ATAPI_0 IDE CDROM Drive   FIXED  CDROM
> 
Now this is strange. This says you have a hard drive on the second 
controller, which is a master, and the DVD drive is a slave on the 
same interface. You did say that you have two hard drives on the first
controller, and ONLY the DVD drive on the second, did you not?

Does this device have a jumper to indicate whether it has a slave, 
while it is a master??? If you have only the DVD drive on that 
interface, it should work as a MASTER, without a SLAVE.

If that doesn't apply, I have no idea what is happening.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     05-Oct-99 16:37:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: OT: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:26:03, Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> wrote:

> Totally off topic but,
>  
> I have been using my real e-mail and posting to Usenet for a few years
> now and do not see a problem with spam. I never get more that 1-2 spam
> messages per week and I have no filters to speak of. Am I doing
> something wrong? :)
> 

This is, obviously a crank post. NOBODY gets away with that <G>.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 05-Oct-99 17:28:29
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: StarOffice 5.1 Download woes

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Stan Irish wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of an FTP site to download this product from?  Have made 6
attempts to http download from the Sun site - all
> died part way through. At least with a good FTP tool, the transfer could be
"resumed".

Then try to take a look at
http://www.os2brasil.com.br/novidades/autoget.shtml, where
Autoget/2 resides!
It is a download automation tool, using Wget (port from Linux,
which in this case means that it needs EMX support)!

-- 

Live long and prosper...

_________________________________________________________________

Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
flywheel@image.dk
http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
_________________________________________________________________

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 05-Oct-99 17:12:20
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Dominique Pivard wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:37:58, "Mackan" <Mackan@SpamMeNot.se> wrote:
> >
> > Then when I'm trying to run SERVICE it will not update the system, I get
the
> > following error
> > "Error opening ir creating logfile" in the "Corrective Service Facility
> > Message".
> 
> You may have a problem with the files LOGF0000.OS2 and LOGSTART.OS2 in
> \OS2\INSTALL and/or LOGF0000.MPM and LOGSTART.MPM in \MMOS2\INSTALL.
> Try to delete them and see what happens.
> 
> I'm using SVD when applying fixpacks and it works fine.

Another way is to use fastkick, wich includes a utility that
enables you to decompress the dsk-files without having to use a
virtual floppy. Also it has got an extended SERVICE that enables
you to install the fixpack directly from the harddrive, it
replaces the fixtool!

Search for fastkick141.zip on hobbes, for the latest version!

But ofcause you still have to delete the log-files before
applying the FP!

-- 

Live long and prosper...

_________________________________________________________________

Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
flywheel@image.dk
http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
_________________________________________________________________

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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 05-Oct-99 17:18:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: n-way systems? Was: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <37F9D014.5B95B832@powertech.no>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo
<bvermo@powertech.no> writes:
>Trevor Hemsley wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:36:55 GMT, Lorne Sunley wrote:
>>
>> ->> Is there a list of SMP Motherboards that work well with OS/2?  All I
>> ->> could glean from DejaNews was that the Gigabyte boards were unstable
and
>>
>> I've used Tyan and Supermicro. Both work just fine.
>>
>
>How about MULTIprocessors (as opposed to dual)?
>I would like to hear from users of n-way systems of both the older OS/2
versions
>and WSeB.
>There are a number of parameters I feel I need to know more about, such as
the
>impact of different cache strategies, size of RAM and bus load.
>

I have seen testing showing that three 256K PPro 200's are faster than
four due to memory starvation. 512K or more was a different story. Kind 
of dampened my interest in a Goldenrod.


--
Hrad ngravvrd



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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                05-Oct-99 13:53:27
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Bj rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> said:

>> Maybe now is the time for all good OS/2ers to line up -- and
>> put all these new internet pricing and marketing models to
>> use.  There's the group buying model we were just discussing
>> wrt Symantec, right?  Maybe the time has come to form our
>> own user association for the purpose of dealing with IBM.
>>

>The stress here must be on BUYING. The IBM model has always been very
>account-oriented. To be credible, an organization would need to be a volume
>purchaser.

If anyone trys to start up such an organization as a legitimate business I
think
I'll just quit reading usenet.  There'd be so many OS/2 users moaning about
such
an entrepreneur trying make a few bucks the internet might just melt down from
the flames.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                05-Oct-99 13:47:16
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:10
Subj: Process question

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

I have the process killer set up in Warp Center.

What on earth is SYSINIT and why do I have so many running at once?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     05-Oct-99 20:03:24
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 5 Oct 1999 02:30:35 -0400, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
->>
->> The driver for an ESS 1869 soundcard. Use Alt+F1 to boot up to a command
->> prompt then use TEDIT to REM out the line that refers to it
->> (ESS1869.SYS?).
->
->I had to use the installation floppies to get a command prompt, the system
->was crashing before it got to the prompt when coming from the hard disk.
->
->Anyway, I REM'd the two lines with the offending string and the system
->boots. How do I get my sound card back? It's a no-name clone without
->manual...

You need to get a newer driver for the card. I think all ESS cards suffer
from this problem and it has been reported to them. Application of later
Warp 4 fixpacks breaks the drivers to the extent that they TRAP OS/2. 
There are fixed versions of _some_ of the ESS drivers but it's just a
matter of finding the right ones. I'd start at the Device Driver web page
(http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm) and go from
there. If it's the same as the 1688 drivers then there should be a version
marked for Warp 4 and one for Warp 3. The Warp 4 ones don't work but the
Warp 3 ones do (you only need the ESSxxx.SYS file I believe).

->Incidentally, I discovered that when booting from floppies the third one
->seems "locked" in the drive. If I put another floppy in the drive after I
->get the command prompt, a DIR still gives me the beginning of the listing
->for the diskette that was removed, not the one in the drive.

basedev=ibm1s506.add /a:0 /u:0 /CL:NONE turns off change line support for
the driver and may fix broken hardware.

->Even worse, the TEDIT on diskette 1 "cannot be run in an OS/2 session".
->There's something very screwy going on! (The one in \OS2 on the hard drive 
->worked fine.)

Use the one on the HD then.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      05-Oct-99 20:45:07
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

judithr9@earthlink.net [EarthLink Network, Inc.] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 Which I find difficult to believe. 
 Are they really 'giving this away?'  Is there a catch -- other than
 the documentation?  If free, Why? 

1. 

They want to transfer the code to a net service. The future client front end
will be in Java/HTML and with the actual code and backbone of the application
running on one of their Internet servers (almost the same concept as HotMail,
the Yahoo calendar service, but of course a bit more advanced and complex).


2.

Office is Microsoft absolutely biggest income (not their operating systems as
many thinks), and this is of course a good strategic thing for SUN to try to
target with a completely free offer, including for commercial usage (just like
Microsoft has done many times themselves at strategic competitors products).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      05-Oct-99 20:45:08
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Rod Smith [] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 Sure, especially for certain specific purposes.  For instance, if an
 online retailer wanted to get some survey information on their customers,
 they could slap in a survey form during the checkout process for every
 100th customer and get reasonably good data ON THEIR CUSTOMERS.  It'd be

Yes, that's what I had in mind (and have also seen used with good result).

 useless for telling anything about Internet users in general, much less
 people in general, but if the company just wanted to know about their
 Internet customers, it'd probably do quite nicely.  Put the same survey on
 the retailers's homepage and it becomes next to useless.

Absolutely agree with that.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      05-Oct-99 20:45:07
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: OS/2 in Byte

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Esther Schindler [Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 my best to avoid Windows applications -- I much prefer native apps for
 any OS -- so it wasn't a hot button for me.

I absolutely agree 100% with that.

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      05-Oct-99 20:45:08
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity  was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Jerry Lapham [Voyager.Net - East Lansing, MI] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 No, MS mostly avoids answering questions like that by forcing their OEM

Their is no force involved at all.

 customers to do it.  If you get Windows or Office on your Gateway
 computer, you have to call Gateway, not MS.

We talk about different things here. 

The "mostly" part is clearly defined and depends on if you bought the product
from Microsoft (in which case they take the support) or from a licensed OEM
vendor (in which case they take the support, or forward you to such service).

The same was true already on the old DOS days, and goes for almost *any* OEM
product, and not just computer hardware and software products.

If StarDock would have been allowed to distribute OS/2 as an OEM I don't think
IBM would have offered any support for free for that.

In short: it's usually part of all OEM deals (and the reason why it's much
less expensive compared with the retail versions - support is very costly).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      05-Oct-99 20:56:17
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 I do appreciate your advice, Martin, especially considering
 the vehemence of a flame or two I have directed at you in
 the past. 

Seriously; no hard feelings from my part at all. Besides my memory not being
the best one (random access as people often calls it) I probably deserved them
to some extent, and if not I'm sure I flamed back telling you why not! :-)
 
 in fact on one of the cheaper 17" Philips models (if my bid
 holds up).  And if it doesn't, I'll continue exploring. 

Take a good look at the 107MB monitor (rather good color balance and does
1280x1024 at 80Hz with .22 dot pitch) or the cheaper, I think about 2/3 of the
price of all the better 17" monitors from Philips, 107S (not perfect, but OK
value for the money).

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      05-Oct-99 20:56:13
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

hamei@pacbell.net [SBC Internet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 are you acquainted with the Mitsubishi 19" *flat* screen (900u maybe ?)

I'm sorry, but I have personally never worked with any Mitsubishi monitor at
all so I haven't even had a chance to take a peek at them. That said, so far
at least, I have only heard very great of them so I think you absolutely
should take a closer look at it!

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: r.dunham@onsemi.com                               05-Oct-99 11:17:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Hardware Mgr Problem....

From: "Richard M. Dunham" <r.dunham@onsemi.com>

Recently, I installed NT4 and then OS2 with Boot Manager on my TP385XD.
My 385 has a 3.2GB HD w/96MB ram, FP11, DDPak 1, etc.  Installation
proceeded normally and all appeared to be working correctly until I
looked at the folder for the HW Mgr.  All icons appeared as large black
dots.  If I open the folder in the icon view all black icons then turn
into large red icons with an "FS" in the center.

Next I checked the properties of an item in HD Mgr and then an error
message appears stating:

The system was unable to show settings for the object.  The system may
be out of resources.  OK CANCEL HELP

I've check the system out for IRQs, I/Os, etc using RMVIEW but I don't
see any problems with the setup.  Have tried changing the PCI buss IRQ
but no difference was noted.  Also REM'd out the USB drivers in the
CONFIG.SYS-no difference.

If you have any suggestions on this situation please let me know.

Regards:  Dick

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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            05-Oct-99 21:23:26
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: Another IBM Poll...

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

On 1 Oct 1999 19:35:28 GMT, e-frog wrote:

>This one is actually about notebook hard drives.
>But since they ask what OS you are using, go to it and let 'em know what
>you think!
>
>http://ssddom01.storage.ibm.com/hdd/hddsurvey.nsf/survey?OpenForm
>
>They'll probably come back with a note saying "Nobody uses OS/2. Please
>refrain from prank posts".

Heh.. we will see. I visited the page and participated in the survey. As I
use
a laptop and have upgraded the drive I found it quite interesting.


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From: rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de                      05-Oct-99 21:36:25
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: USB

From: "Robert Lalla" <rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de>

On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:34:32 GMT, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:

> I hope this means someone is working on generic camera, printer and scanner
drivers, too. 

Most likely no one is working on those.
Theoretically, a generic USB printer driver should be possible to write.
As of USB cameras or scanners, there doesn't exist any generic USB
specification
for interfacing those devices. They are all vendor specific and need
individual drivers.

>Maybe even the Zip250?

So far ZIP250/USB does not exist. In case such device is coming out,
it can use the same drivers as ZIP100/USB. 

--
RL


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From: jrslagle@my-deja.com                              05-Oct-99 19:44:26
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: No more free Software Choice? 

From: jrslagle@my-deja.com

I forked over $109 for Visual Age Basic.  This was before it was
available to everyone for free.  We never did get a useable version of
this software.

I'm not willing to spin the wheel again.

-John


In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-ifq75jXW294M@localhost>,
  lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) wrote:
>
> Maybe IBM is trying to generate some revenue to justify the
> updates and improvements to OS/2.
>
> Many people have claimed they are willing to pay for a
> new client. Why aren't they willing to pay for updates to
> the existing client?
>
> Remember, these are New Features.
>
> Lorne Sunley
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                05-Oct-99 15:51:24
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 16:51:11
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> Office is Microsoft absolutely biggest income (not their operating systems
as
> many thinks), and this is of course a good strategic thing for SUN to try to
> target with a completely free offer, including for commercial usage (just
> like Microsoft has done many times themselves at strategic competitors
> products).
> 

It's obviously time to make a massive update of file formats for new
Office variants... Staying on the technological leading edge and
maintaining their best-of-breed title would seem to demand that (at the
very least).

Ron

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From: esther@bitranch.com                               05-Oct-99 20:37:11
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Maul DTP for OS/2 

From: esther@bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:09:56, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
| Speaking of DTP, has anyone tried MAUL????

I just downloaded it a couple of days ago. I'm thinking of reviewing 
it for extended attributes.

--Esther

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From: mchasson@ibm.net                                  05-Oct-99 17:22:11
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: mchasson@ibm.net

In <7tak30$blb$1@news.panix.com>, on 10/04/99 at 04:19 PM,
   rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:

>Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>> On 3 Oct 1999 21:20:26 -0400, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
>> 
>> ->"The file PMMERGE->PMVIOP.122 specified in the PROTSHELL statement on
line
>> ->2 of the CONFIG.SYS file does not contain a valid program.
>> 
>> Do you have Process Commander installed? If the answer is yes then you
>> have to run some obscure PC command to reinstall its hooks (something like
>> PCINSDLL?). IF you use PC then you should really uninstall it before you
>> apply the FP then reinstall afterwards.

No expert here, but I have also seen that message although not in the
installation of a FP. It has invariably (for me) resulted from hardware
problems.  In one case it was a loose edoram chip, which got loosened when
I  banged on the box trying to close it.

Then I later discovered a crimped CDrom cable.  disconnecting that got rid
of a lot of traps.

Have a look around.  The coincidence of changing out the HD is too neat. 

-- 
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
mchasson@ibm.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51 

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From: jeffos2@mindspring.com                            05-Oct-99 14:45:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Re: OT: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: jeffos2@mindspring.com (Jeffery Swagger)

In <37F9D23B.AEF3BFC3@dgraph.com>, Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> writes:
>Totally off topic but,
>
>I have been using my real e-mail and posting to Usenet for a few years
>now and do not see a problem with spam. I never get more that 1-2 spam
>messages per week and I have no filters to speak of. Am I doing
>something wrong? :)

I suspect your ISP, like mine, is filtering it for you.

----
Jeff

   I still miss my ex, but with this laser sight...

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 05-Oct-99 15:46:27
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> wrote:

>Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>
>> Maybe now is the time for all good OS/2ers to line up -- and
>> put all these new internet pricing and marketing models to
>> use.  There's the group buying model we were just discussing
>> wrt Symantec, right?  Maybe the time has come to form our
>> own user association for the purpose of dealing with IBM.
>>
>
>The stress here must be on BUYING. The IBM model has always been very
>account-oriented. 

That would be the raison d'etre, but you put it well.

To be credible, an organization would need to be a
>volume purchaser. It would  probably need to be seen as a hardware buyer
>as well as an OS/2 customer. This should not be a problem for OS/2
>users, of course. IBM make very competitive desktop PCs (PC-300 series)
>as well as servers, disk drives and even motherboards. They also sell
>home computers made by Acer (branded as IBM Aptiva). I am sure enough
>SOHO and private OS/2 users might be interested in such items to make
>the total annual value enough that it might be seen as a worthwhile
>accountbyIBM.

It makes one wonder down the road when (I mean if) it comes
time to talk turkey, it would be necessary to accommodate
other big blue shops, and I'm thinking particularly about
Indelible Blue.  Would there be simply one organization to
handle end-user non-corporate licensing?  Or would say, the sale of a
subscription from a third-party vendor to an end-user include a membership as
part of the cost?

For that matter, if I'm not mistaken (and please correct me
if I'm wrong) one of the issues facing IBM and a new client
is contractual obligations it faces with regard to language
support.  I wonder whether this would be a bar to making our
licensing organization truly international.  I hope not,
because OS/2 users overseas have proven time and again to be
some of OS/2's most intrepid, smartest, best.  But if this
might be the case, per IBM, we would have to find a way to
contend with it.

>
>> ...  After bailed
>> on all the other cross-whatever stuff -- PowerPC to CORBA to
>> Quicktime and whatever -- at least IBM stuck with Java to
>> the hilt.
>>
>
>It was not IBM that dropped  Quicktime, it was Apple who turned around
>from their brief stint at openness and cooperation. 

Whoops, of course, you're correct.  I would say, there are
other missed opportunities.  Whosever to blame, for whatever
reasons.

Not that it really
>matters - Quicktimeis obsolescentin any case. As to CORBA, IBM are still
>charging ahead . Websphere has a CORBA request broker built to the new
>CORBA standards.

You know far more about this than I do (more than most of
the people I know, know).  Your thoughts are much
appreciated.


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 05-Oct-99 15:24:18
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>Bj rn Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no> said:
>
>>> Maybe now is the time for all good OS/2ers to line up -- and
>>> put all these new internet pricing and marketing models to
>>> use.  There's the group buying model we were just discussing
>>> wrt Symantec, right?  Maybe the time has come to form our
>>> own user association for the purpose of dealing with IBM.
>>>
>
>>The stress here must be on BUYING. The IBM model has always been very
>>account-oriented. To be credible, an organization would need to be a volume
>>purchaser.
>
>If anyone trys to start up such an organization as a legitimate business I
think
>I'll just quit reading usenet.  There'd be so many OS/2 users moaning about
such
>an entrepreneur trying make a few bucks the internet might just melt down
from
>the flames.

I mean, hey, it's not even out of this thread, and one OS/2
user's moaning already!

Seriously, I'm afraid you're missing the point here, Jim. 
It's not a business model (which is one reason why VOICE
presenting itself as a viable option is so intriguing).  In
fact the idea is for a user-supported not-for-profit ad-hoc
organization, which will simply represent its members, allow
us to purchase at discount, and help with the dissemination
of support (which is done here and on web sites by and large
as far as I can tell anyway) and news (done admirably
through Warpcast).  One assumes that the membership fee in
such an organization, which would certainly be necessary to
cover administrative costs, would be more than compensated
for by the savings to members in license fees.

If you're alluding to the recent events about Stardock -- a
sleeping dog that is better let lie, I think -- no one posed
objections to the principle of a qualified, competent,
conscientious vendor profiting from its work producing and
distributing a new Warp client.  The dispute was as to
whether Stardock was that vendor.  Period.

So far, this is just an idea.  There are certainly many
aspects to consider: nor does the road ahead (sorry) look
altogether clear.  Who knows whether such an organization
could survive past the first term of a Software Choice
subscription.  But for now at least, this should be said for
such an idea: it suits OS/2 well, because of the kind of
system OS/2 is -- tweakable, essentially user-friendly, but
in a way which demands a certain responsibility and
initiative-taking.  

-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 05-Oct-99 17:05:24
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:

>Raphael Tennenbaum [AT&T WorldNet Services] -> comp.os.os2.misc:
>
> I do appreciate your advice, Martin, especially considering
> the vehemence of a flame or two I have directed at you in
> the past. 
>
>Seriously; no hard feelings from my part at all. Besides my memory not being
>the best one (random access as people often calls it) 

That would explain a lot.  Er, I mean, never mind!  It
never happened!  What were we talking about?

> in fact on one of the cheaper 17" Philips models (if my bid
> holds up).  And if it doesn't, I'll continue exploring. 
>
>Take a good look at the 107MB monitor (rather good color balance and does
>1280x1024 at 80Hz with .22 dot pitch) or the cheaper, I think about 2/3 of
the
>price of all the better 17" monitors from Philips, 107S (not perfect, but OK
>value for the money).


107B from Phillips it is -- $148 plus shipping, not dirt-
cheap, but not bad.  It should get here in week and half or
so.



-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: mainetti@visionnaire.com.br                       05-Oct-99 20:08:09
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 19:53:18
Subj: Y2K bug with TCP/IP stacks and OS/2 ?

From: "Sergio Mainetti Jr." <mainetti@visionnaire.com.br>


  Hello.
  I'm working in a project to look for Y2K problems in an OS/2
TCP/IP stack.

  I'm working with OS/2 version 3.0 and up and using the TCP/IP
stack from Netmanage's PC/TCP (formerly FTP Software's PC/TCP).

  Does anyone know, or have had, any problems with dates with this
environment ?  

  Best regards,

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sergio Mainetti Jr.                                         Visionnaire
mainetti@visionnaire.com.br                     R. Fernando Amaro, 1139
http://www.visionnaire.com.br                   Curitiba, PR  80050-020
Tel/Fax: +55 (41) 262-5646                                       Brasil
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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             05-Oct-99 16:42:01
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 21:22:25
Subj: Re: GIMP, XFree86, GhostScript HELP PLEASE.

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Ray Appleby wrote:
> 
> I am trying to open a .EPS file in GIMP.  After getting
> XFree86/XWindows/GIMP setup, the first try said that it couldn't find
> gs.exe (ghostscript) so I installed ghostscript for X11 from Hobbes.
> Didn't work.  I have been advised that ghostscript 5.5 for OS/2 will
> work under XWindows but I'm not convinced of that since the
> executables have different names (I need it to work in conjuction
> (seamlessly) with GIMP which wants to call gs.exe to interpret the
> encapsulated postscript file.)
> 
> I can't find any info on how to properly set up ghostscript under
> XFree86/XWindows.

Ghostscript is an interpreter for the PostScript page description
language used by
laser printers.  GSview is a graphical interface for Ghostscript that
runs on Windows, OS/2 and X11.  Info on how to obtain and configure
GSView and Ghostscript under OS/2 (and other platforms) is available at:

http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/gsview/index.html

All of the files and information that you need are available here but
you will have to download and read some READ.ME files to get some of the
info.  

> 
> If anyone has done this could you please post the procedure or
> location and name of a readme file which contains detailed info about
> this specific procedure.
> 
> I don't just want to run ghostscript, I want it to work in conjuction
> with GIMP under XWindows.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                05-Oct-99 18:46:08
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 21:22:26
Subj: Netscape plughelp

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Could some please tell me exactly what the difference is between plugins and
helpers in Netscape 4.61 GA?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     06-Oct-99 00:04:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 21:22:26
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:05:48 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

->>Take a good look at the 107MB monitor (rather good color balance and does
->>1280x1024 at 80Hz with .22 dot pitch) or the cheaper, I think about 2/3 of
the
->>price of all the better 17" monitors from Philips, 107S (not perfect, but
OK
->>value for the money).
->
->107B from Phillips it is -- $148 plus shipping, not dirt-
->cheap, but not bad.  It should get here in week and half or
->so.

The 107B is the predecessor model to the 107MB. Still quite nice but the
MB is newer and better. The 107S is a much cheaper model (and you can tell
why when you see them side by side).

Thanks for helping to keep me in a job ;-)

Working for, but not speaking for, a subsidiary of Philips.

Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             05-Oct-99 16:32:08
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 21:22:26
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:12:21 -0500, Richard Steiner wrote:

>Yeah, I know that's easy enough to do.  I didn't mean to sound grumpy
>about it (if I did).  :-)

Oh, well, in THAT case.... the profuse apology still stands. :^)


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From: d.s.darrow@nvinet.com                             05-Oct-99 16:43:10
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 21:22:26
Subj: Re: Ideas about IBM...

From: "Doug Darrow" <d.s.darrow@nvinet.com>

On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:54:38 +0200, Bj rn Vermo wrote:

>I still hope they will do something more with PowerPC. A thin
>workstation connected to a server might be a good solution even in a
>single-user setting, and certainly in a two-user home network.
>Unfortunately, the server priceing does not encourage this. A "light"
>server with one or two WSOD or Java-OS users might be more useful than a
>new fat client, and could also be useful in small branch offices of big
>companies.

If THAT interests you, take a look at:

>-[begin forwarded message]-<

>Looks like WSOD.
>>
>>See www.serenity-systems.com
>>

It is, with some important differences.
They will sell systems with as few as 5 seats.
They also have a program where you can lease the hardware to a
customer, and
get paid to administer the network from your home or wherever.

>-[end forwarded message]-<




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From: rgehrig@primenet.com                              05-Oct-99 17:44:12
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: Maul DTP for OS/2 

From: "Robert Gehrig" <rgehrig@primenet.com>

On 5 Oct 1999 20:37:22 GMT, Esther Schindler wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:09:56, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
>| Speaking of DTP, has anyone tried MAUL????
>
>I just downloaded it a couple of days ago. I'm thinking of reviewing 
>it for extended attributes.
>
>--Esther
I have downloaded it, but I am having a problem bringing it up for a second
time, and with printing.

I have to send a e-mail to the developer.

Have not had time to get to explore it yet.




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From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk                     06-Oct-99 00:29:08
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: OpenGL

From: glen@rockyhorror.Zkaroo.co.uk (Glen D)

Make sure the .dll files are in your LIBPATH, if you want to run
OpenGL programs.  The other stuff (if I remember correctly) is just
for developing OpenGL programs.

Glen D
-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-


On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:59:15 +0200 (CDT), "Rade Popovic"
<rascho@nospam.iname.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 06:14:47 GMT, Glen D wrote:
>
>>
>>It hasn't been updates for a while but
>>http://www.utsi.com/~kgl/os2-opengl/index.html is a good place to
>>start.  You want OGLGOLD.ZIP from IBM's ftp site.  You might also want
>>to check out www.scitechsoft.com as well if you already haven't.
>>
>>
>>Glen D
>>-<remove Z from my e-mail address>-
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:02:32 +0200 (CDT), "Rade Popovic"
>><rascho@nospam.iname.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>Where can I download OpenGL for Warp3 (if it is free)?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Rascho
>>>e-mail:rascho@iname.com
>>>ICQ# 49354974
>>>
>>>------------------------
>>>Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I have downloaded oglgold.zip but there is no installation
>instructions. How do I install this?
>
>Rascho
>e-mail:rascho@iname.com
>ICQ# 49354974
>
>------------------------
>Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"
>
>

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From: markk@NOSPAM.wnycs.com                            06-Oct-99 00:46:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: CORELscsi 2.0

From: markk@NOSPAM.wnycs.com

In desperate need of this if any one has it please contact me ASAP

Mark Kopenski
markk@wnycs.com
kcs@pce.net

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From: mckinnis@attglobal.net                            05-Oct-99 19:09:22
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@attglobal.net>

I can't seem to find the attglobal equivalent of the news server. 
Probably because I'm old.
-- 
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: wishIcould@no.spam.for.me                         05-Oct-99 21:43:15
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: virtual dekstop program?? (freeware)

From: "Daniel Enright" <wishIcould@no.spam.for.me>

Hey guys!
	What is the best option (if any) for a freeware virtual desktop type
program.  I'm used to using X and afterstep, but I've dumped all that for
os/2.  So anyway I like just moving the cursor to the edge of the screen, and
having the new screen appear and such.
Ohh yeah, I'm using warp4 fixpack 11 (if it makes a difference).
Sincerely,
Daniel Enright


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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             06-Oct-99 02:14:11
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: USB

From: jsjones@selectric.net

There is an August 31, 1999 press release saying the USB Zip 250 is shipping.
I would be surprised it the generic floppy USB driver does support this for 2 
reasons. First, The driver was released after Iomega announced the USB 250 
is shipping, yet the readme specificially says Zip 100 is supported. Second, 
the SCSI Zip 250 doesn't work with existing OS/2 support.

There may not be a standard USB for cameras, but there is a single OS/2
program 
that supports the many types of parallel port models. If that is possible, I'm 
sure a 
functionally generic driver is possible.

In <eynyynfgrcargqr.fj5r5e0.pminews@businessnews.stepnet.de>, "Robert Lalla"
<rlalla@stepnet.REMOVETHIS.de> writes:
>On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:34:32 GMT, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:
>
>> I hope this means someone is working on generic camera, printer and scanner 
drivers, too. 
>
>Most likely no one is working on those.
>Theoretically, a generic USB printer driver should be possible to write.
>As of USB cameras or scanners, there doesn't exist any generic USB
specification
>for interfacing those devices. They are all vendor specific and need
individual drivers.
>
>>Maybe even the Zip250?
>
>So far ZIP250/USB does not exist. In case such device is coming out,
>it can use the same drivers as ZIP100/USB. 

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 05-Oct-99 22:05:19
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: virtual dekstop program?? (freeware)

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, "Daniel Enright" <wishIcould@no.spam.for.me>
spake unto us, saying:

>Hey guys!

Hello!  :-)

>What is the best option (if any) for a freeware virtual desktop type
>program.  I'm used to using X and afterstep, but I've dumped all that
>for os/2.

A new OS/2 user?  Er...  Is that still allowed to happen??  ;-)

>So anyway I like just moving the cursor to the edge of the screen, and
>having the new screen appear and such.

Well, I know that PageMage will do that:

  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/wps/pgmg036.zip

and I think the desktop feature of PC/2 does as well:

  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7885/

There's an IBM EWS (Employee Written Software) program called MegaDesk
that is a good virtual desktop util as well, but I don't think it'll do
the switch-on-screen-edge trick:

  ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/os2_ews/megads.zip

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + Linux + BeOS + FreeBSD + Solaris + WinNT4 + Win95 + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                My newsreader can beat up your newsreader.

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From: luistino@my-deja.com                              06-Oct-99 03:31:12
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack_try QF11

From: luistino <luistino@my-deja.com>

Mackan wrote:
> 
> Hello there
> 
> I was trying to install the fixpack (fixpack 11 for os/2 warp 4.) , not
> using diskettes or the web.
> There was a way described in a readme-fil that followed the FIX141-disk.
> And that I instead used a program called SVdisk, that faked a DISK-drive, to
> make it possible
> to unpack the disketts to the local harddrive.
> 
> Then when I'm trying to run SERVICE it will not update the system, I get the
> following error
> "Error opening ir creating logfile" in the "Corrective Service Facility
> Message".
> 
> I have made the SET's that are necessary, but I'll not work anyway.
> The instructions that I've been testing are included in the readme file is
> as follows :
> --------------------------------------
>   First, setup a directory to hold the FixTool code. For example,
>   run the following to place the FixTool into the d:\csf directory.
> 
> |       cs_141.exe d:\csf
> 
>   Next, setup the FixPak directory using the diskette images.
>         loaddskf xr_w035.1dk j: /f/y/q
>         xcopy j: d:\xr_w035\ /h/o/t/s/e/r/v
>         loaddskf xr_w035.2dk j: /f/y/q
>         xcopy j: d:\xr_w035\ /h/o/t/s/e/r/v
>         ...
>         ...
>         ...        <repeat for each disk image in the FixPak>
> 
>   Install the FixPak by running service.exe.
>         set csfutilpath=d:\csf
>         set csfcdromdir=d:\xr_w035
>         d:
>         cd csf
>         service  (or start service)
> ---------------------------------------
> End Readme-file.
> 
> Any suggestions how to succseed in applying a fixpack is very helpful.
> I have applyed the FIXpack 7 on this computer, but that was a year ago, and
> I did use disketts then, but I hade disketts,
> so I wanna figure this out, so I don't have to use the disks.
> Why havn't IBM figured out an easy way to upgrade OS/2.
> 
> any suggestions or tips please mail them to
> arkus.forsblom@nospam.com  ----> Important : Change the "nospam" to "TELIA"
> !!!

Everyone has their own preference, mine is to use QF11. I have found it
simple to use and based on my experience, I cannot recommend it enough.

It checks your downloded *.?dk files, one by one,  for errors and
reports the them if found. It prompts you with easy to follow
instructions on installing a fixpak and then gets on with it. Here is an
exerpt from the read me file

"The critical issue is safety.

The main difference between this utility and most others in the genre is
that
QuickFix uses an image unpacking tool which performs CRC validation of
the
diskette images before applying what could otherwise be junk to your
finely-
tuned and previously functional OS/2 system.  To me that seems a
worthwhile
contribution."

I cannot remember where I downloaded from, probaly hoobes, look for
Qf11.zip

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From: lazaga1@attglobal.net                             05-Oct-99 20:39:22
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:25
Subj: Re: news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net

From: Paul Lazaga <lazaga1@attglobal.net>


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 10-6-99, 1:09:45 AM, Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@attglobal.net> wrote 
regarding news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net:


> I can't seem to find the attglobal equivalent of the news server.
> Probably because I'm old.
> --
> Chuck McKinnis
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> IBM Business Partner
> IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

Simple: news1.attglobal.net

Using it now:)

-- 
Paul Lazaga, eMail: lazaga1@attglobal.net
WTW Group, Los Gatos, California, USA
Tel: 408-378-8636, Fax: 408-378-5927
Web: http://www.wtwgroup.com



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From: wishIcould@no.spam.for.me                         06-Oct-99 00:41:24
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:26
Subj: Re: virtual dekstop program?? (freeware)

From: "Daniel Enright" <wishIcould@no.spam.for.me>

>A new OS/2 user?  Er...  Is that still allowed to happen??  ;-)

I'm not entirely new, I've been dual booting os/2 with linux for
a bit now, and decided I can just stick linux on a 386 and learn
all the console stuff on that, and well why did I decide to put os/2
on my main computer you ask... because I think it is a good os for
programming in, and it's on top of all the java stuff anyway back 
to the point of my article
you are absolutely right, pc/2 seems to be doing the trick, just got 
it going, so it will taking some configuring.  It seems to have speed up 
my desktop a lot!!!

Thanks a million!
Daniel Enright

>and I think the desktop feature of PC/2 does as well:
>  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7885/



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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      06-Oct-99 05:32:02
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 03:33:26
Subj: Re: USB

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <3gyK3.2905$ns6.38113@ha1>,
  jsjones@selectric.net wrote:

> Second, the SCSI Zip 250 doesn't work with existing OS/2 support.

Really? I guess you'd better explain this to my sytem at work... It's
apparently unaware of this limitation! :)

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       06-Oct-99 10:19:23
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.

Anyone else seen this?


Henk
-- 
Remove nospam when replying..

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            06-Oct-99 08:38:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: Yamaha 4416S with a ASUS T2P4 motherboard

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 21:22:45 -0400, JNiffen <JNiffen@IBM.Net> wrote:
>I recently, purchased a Yamaha 4416S CDROM recorder, rewriter player.  I
>have attempted to install it in a ASUS P55T2P4 PSC00 motherboard with on
>board Adaptec 7880 SCSI bios ver 1.24.  
>
>The SCSI will not reconize the Yahama but it will see an old NEC 841
>CDROM.  I have tried the setup with the Yamaha as the terminated and ID
>of 3 and the NEC as 2 or 5 but the Adaptec setup utilities on the board
>will not acknowledge the Yamaha exist.  I have even tried the Yamaha
>alone on the system.  
>
>One thing funny is I noticed the the SCSI setting will not accept a
>change and the controller is at ID 15 not at 7.  I am using the
>Ultra/UltraWide connection. Also I have an 8 gig WD Hard drive and an
>Imation Superfloppy.  I have not installed any software except for PC
>DOS 7.0 and the adaptec drivers for DOS.  So, what I am wondering if I
>need to update the Yamaha BIOS, but will it do that if the controller

Yes, probably.

>can't see the CDROM.

No, probably not. You may have to find another machine that has a scsi
controller / operating system (operating environment) combo that works.

  Stefan


-- 
=========================================================================
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Laboratoire des Collisions Atomiques et   | LCAM :  6915-7699  6915-7671
Mol\'{e}culaires (LCAM), B\^{a}timent 351 | home :  5624-0992  call first
Universit\'{e} de Paris-Sud               | email:  sad@utk.edu 
91405 Orsay Cedex, France (Europe)        |         (forwarded to France)
=========================================================================
 Do you know what they call a quarter-pounder with cheese in Paris?

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 06-Oct-99 10:13:12
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: Netscape plughelp

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:
> 
> Could some please tell me exactly what the difference is between plugins and
> helpers in Netscape 4.61 GA?

A plug-in is dedicated to one certain application and is not an
independent application!
A helper is usually an independent application (ex: PM123)

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 06-Oct-99 10:15:24
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: OS/2 2.1 and Y2K

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Riccardo Foschia wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> can anybody tell me if there's a problem with OS/2 2.1 and Y2K?

Yes!
That was the reason for IBM dropping all support back in July!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 06-Oct-99 10:35:22
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?

Yep...strange!
A new hidden VDM has occured...now I have 2 of them!
(It is the second FP ive added to this installaion 0->11->12)

-- 
Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    06-Oct-99 05:58:07
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: OS/2 2.1 and Y2K

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <37FAFCCA.712CD2FB@meta-level.de>,
Riccardo Foschia <riccardo.foschia@meta-level.de> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>can anybody tell me if there's a problem with OS/2 2.1 and Y2K?

It is not supported.  Only Warp 3 & 4 have updates for Y2K.

-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: jknott@ibm.net                                    06-Oct-99 05:48:20
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: jknott@ibm.net (James Knott)

In article <BGtODEdD7Dku-pn2-nOrj9Fo0SN0t@n449.telekabel.euronet.nl>,
News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) wrote:
>
>> jknott@ibm.net (James Knott) wrote:
>> 
>> If your copy of Windows came with a computer, they'll send you
>> back to where you bought it.  Even when they are willing you talk
>> to you, their help seems to be "It's <some other apps> fault".
>
>Or you can buy very expensive phone-support contracts. People
>in my surroundings who have tried that were not pleased with the
>answers and the help they got for the amount and time they spend.

We (IBM Canada) have the same problem.  If MS treats their largest 
customer that way, I'd hate to be a smaller customer.  My department 
builds standard OS/2, Windows 95 and NT images for use by IBM Canada. 
Getting problems resolved with MS products is always difficult.  On 
many occasions, we have determined the cause and provided the fix to 
MS.

-- 
E-mail jknott@ca.ibm.com
_________________________________________________________________________
The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.

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From: maxikins@os2bbs.com                               06-Oct-99 10:28:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: USB

From: maxikins@os2bbs.com (Mark Klebanoff)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:46:03, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:

> I'm glad I was uninformed, here. It makes sense that the SCSI 250 should
work, 
> considering how they're supported in OS/2.  But, weren't there a ton of
posts 
> back when they were first released, though, saying how they didn't work.
Were 
> these internal IDE? Parallel port?
> 
>  I do wonder about the USB 250 version, though.
> 

IBM has just noted on their device driver web site that they have a 
driver for the USB250.  They've also released a beta driver for the 
ATAPI 250.

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From: pdrumm@dwave.net                                  06-Oct-99 10:28:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: OT: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: pdrumm@dwave.net (Peter Drumm)

In message <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-WzQ8V07H1e3w@localhost> -
doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)5 Oct 1999 16:37:21 GMT
writes:
:->
:->On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:26:03, Kris Kadela <kris@dgraph.com> wrote:
:->
:->> Totally off topic but,
:->>  
:->> I have been using my real e-mail and posting to Usenet for a few years
:->> now and do not see a problem with spam. I never get more that 1-2 spam
:->> messages per week and I have no filters to speak of. Am I doing
:->> something wrong? :)
:->> 
:->
:->This is, obviously a crank post. NOBODY gets away with that <G>.

Some of us do <BSEG>

Custom machining; Tool & Cutter grinding
Peter Drumm, Wausau WI  <pdrumm@dwave.net> 
<http://home.dwave.net/~pdrumm>
Cyrix6x86/300 MII, OS/2 Warp 4, Linux

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From: fledermaus@attglobal.net                          06-Oct-99 07:47:15
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net

From: fledermaus <fledermaus@attglobal.net>

Ref:     Append at 19:09:45 on 99/10/05 -0600 (by mckinnis@attglobal.net)
news1.attglobal.net


""

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From: jeffr@warsawcoil.com                              06-Oct-99 06:52:02
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:26
Subj: Re: Sun's Staroffice 51

From: "Jeff D. Roesner" <jeffr@warsawcoil.com>

Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote in message
news:Hhf6N5gBWzDGOMjVcFLlthigk7gk@news.kraftwerk.net...

> 1.
>
> They want to transfer the code to a net service. The future client front
end
> will be in Java/HTML and with the actual code and backbone of the
application
> running on one of their Internet servers (almost the same concept as
HotMail,
> the Yahoo calendar service, but of course a bit more advanced and
complex).

If you check out Sun's web site and look at their products, they have a
device called the Sun Ray 1.  It's more or less a dumb terminal, but you
have a "smart card" that you use to gain access to it.  The word I've heard
(from the Solaris newsgroups) is that you can pull out your card, leaving
all apps running, go to a different terminal, pop in your card, and it will
start up where you left off when you left the first terminal.

Of course all of this runs on Sun hardware and software...


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From: ppridgen@OregonVOS.net                            06-Oct-99 05:54:02
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Warp 3 and Y2K 

From: Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net>

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, James Knott wrote:

> It is not supported.  Only Warp 3 & 4 have updates for Y2K.

What would I need to get to make Warp 3 y2k compliant



--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Do I believe in WormHoles? Heck, just saw one in my yard.

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               06-Oct-99 12:50:03
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: Death with Dignity was IBM Drives Stake into OS/2 Heart

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> jknott@ibm.net (James Knott) wrote:

>> Or you can buy very expensive phone-support contracts. People
>> in my surroundings who have tried that were not pleased with the
>> answers and the help they got for the amount and time they spend.

> We (IBM Canada) have the same problem.  If MS treats their largest 
> customer that way, I'd hate to be a smaller customer.  My department 
> builds standard OS/2, Windows 95 and NT images for use by IBM Canada. 
> Getting problems resolved with MS products is always difficult.  On many
> occasions, we have determined the cause and provided the fix to MS

Darn, there goes my hope for a better future with MS for my friends. We
were hoping we could make them big enough customers to make M$ come
running their way if something was wrong. A well, they better opt out to
M$-free.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: ednaber@nospam.ibm.net                            06-Oct-99 13:13:10
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: Help: OS/2 hangs at IBMIDECD.FLT with new cdrom

From: ednaber@nospam.ibm.net (E.D. Naber)

In message <37F9A1DA.7A805A20@hotmail.com> - Robert Dohrenburg
<rdohrenburg@hotmail.com>Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:59:38 -0500 writes:
:>
:>Doug Bissett wrote:
:>> 
:>> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:07:59, Robert Dohrenburg
:>> <rdohrenburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>> 
:>> > I found a/the solution? If I set the dvd-cdrom as a master ( secondary
:>> > controller ) the system hangs, setting the dvd as a slave everything
:>> > works fine. I wonder if this is a bug in the ibm1s506 driver.
:>> >
:>> > BTW the size and date of the file is 24136 1998/09/30 21:14:00
:>> > IBMIDECD.FLT From FixPack12
:>> >
:>> > Thanks again.
:>> >
:>> 
:>> Are you sure you got that right??? It is known that a SLAVE, without a
:>> MASTER, will sometimes work with older OS/2 IDE drivers, and with
:>> windows systems, but it will NOT work (it should NEVER work, under any
:>> circumstances) with the later OS/2 IDE driver.
:>
:>
:>Yes Im sure. I have two Matrox drives ( a master 13.6G 7200RPM and a
:>slave 13.6G 5400RPM ) hooked to the primary controller. The DVD-CDROM is
:>connected to the secondary controller acting as a slave.
:>
:>
snip

Robert,
you're right. It's a known problem - to me, at least - that some
CD-drives, even normal bread and butter 24x-drives, are not recognized
when they are connected to the second IDE channel as master and there is
no slave. It seems to be motherboard/controller-dependend. So either
switch one of your HD's to be master on the second channel and make the
CDROM to be slave or try to attach a third HD as slave behind the CDROM
as master (the latter sometimes works sometimes does not).


E.D. Naber
ednaber@nospam.ibm.net

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From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu                          06-Oct-99 13:30:15
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: Warp 3 and Y2K 

From: klcroxen@fas.harvard.edu (Kevin Croxen)

Various components need to be fixpacked to various levels. Rather 
than track all the updates down individually, since IBM has made this 
sort of research no easier than anything else they touch, you'd probably 
do best to get a package like Indelible Blue's WarpUp for under $20, 
which includes all the current-level fixpacks and add-ons.

 http://www.indelible-blue.com

--Kevin



On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:54:04 -0700, Pat Pridgen <ppridgen@OregonVOS.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, James Knott wrote:
>
>> It is not supported.  Only Warp 3 & 4 have updates for Y2K.
>
>What would I need to get to make Warp 3 y2k compliant
>
>
>
>--
>Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
>LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
>Do I believe in WormHoles? Heck, just saw one in my yard.
>

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From: nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu                 06-Oct-99 10:01:29
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: FP12 & device driver update harddrive mystery

From: nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu

I had FP 11 and the new dasd stuff working fine on my home machine. On my
school machine (newish to me) I had graphics problems and netscape
problems. THose were solved by GRADD and by FP12.  Now however, and I
think this is not FP12 but the ibm1506 and maybe others, on both machines
I have harddrive problems.  On the home machine I fixed the big one with
the /!BM suggestion.  However, both machines now do the strange thing of
powering down the harddrive; so that everytime something needs to happen
there is a looooooooong pause whilst I hear the drive cranking up.  So
that's the major problem---what can I do to stop the drive(s) from going
to sleep?

-- 
                                         Regards, 
                                         David
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
	--Oscar Wilde
"What would life be without arithmetic, but a scene of horrors?"
                       -Rev. Sydney Smith, letter to young lady, 22 July 1835


-----------------------------------------------------------
David Auerbach                   nospam@auerbachatunity.ncsu.edu            
Department of Philosophy & Religion
NCSU
Box 8103
Raleigh, 27695-8103
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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             06-Oct-99 09:26:21
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: FP12 & device driver update harddrive mystery

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:01:58 -0400, nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu wrote:

>So that's the major problem---what can I do to stop the drive(s) from going
>to sleep?
Back off to the previous ibm1s506. I've seen other complaints about this. The
DD people are working on it.


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From: eikeld@gte.net                                    06-Oct-99 15:01:27
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: VIA chipset mobo--will it run OS/2 and Suse 6.2?

From: Dave <eikeld@gte.net>

I have a VIA chipset, AMD/K6-400 and SuSE 6.2 and everything's fine

Zephyr Q wrote:

>         I'm getting a good deal on a VIA vpx97-AT mobo--will it run
> OS/2 w3 and Suse 6.2 alright?  Or are there any problems I
> should be aware of?
>
>         BTW, I'm going to drop a PI-166 (MMX) processor in it
> (finally getting rid of my 486DX4-120!--lasted 3
> years...sigh...).
>
>         Thanx.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~  Finding his place in   ~
> ~   Cosmos,               ~
> ~  Directed only by Him   ~
> ~   who created the       ~
> ~    Kosmos               ~
> ~               Zephyr Q  ~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please remove "I HATE SPAM" to
>  reply to e-mail address.

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From: swanee@pillarsoft.net                             06-Oct-99 10:44:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Wayne Swanson <swanee@pillarsoft.net>

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?

I noticed it too Henk but didn't realize that it has just been since
applying fp12.

The second one seems to be spawned from the first one and the third is a
child of PMShell. I don't remember how they were related when there were
only two of them. I'd be interested to know though.

Wayne Swanson
------------------------------------------------------------
email: swanee@pillarsoft.net
PillarSoft: http://www.pillarsoft.net
Developers of: WarpZip, DeskTop Backup (DTB), SFX Installer
               ShowTime/2 and the Enhanced E Editors
Vice President: VOICE (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education)
VOICE: http://www.os2voice.org
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                06-Oct-99 11:51:23
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 14:39:27
Subj: Re: Netscape plughelp

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk> said:

>> Could some please tell me exactly what the difference is between plugins
and
>> helpers in Netscape 4.61 GA?

>A plug-in is dedicated to one certain application and is not an
>independent application!
>A helper is usually an independent application (ex: PM123)

So anything you can add that is not in the Netscape plugins download is a
helper?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               06-Oct-99 10:43:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 16:31:22
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Henk, as the risk of appearing 'stupid' here, let me ask :

1) How can I recreate this?
2) How can I see the 'hidden' VDM (and your definition of it)?
3) What video adapter do you have?
4) What is the level of your Video Driver?

Irv Spalten

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?
> 
> Henk
> --
> Remove nospam when replying..

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     06-Oct-99 16:37:12
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 16:31:22
Subj: Re: OS/2 2.1 and Y2K

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:39:54, Riccardo Foschia 
<riccardo.foschia@meta-level.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> can anybody tell me if there's a problem with OS/2 2.1 and Y2K?
>  
> Regards,
>  
>         Riccardo Foschia
>  
> 

Actually, if you waited this long to ask (you SHOULD have been asking,
at least, a year ago <g>), you are, probably, in BIG trouble.

OS/2 versions, before warp3, CANNOT be upgraded to be Y2K compliant 
(well, they could be, but they won't be). OS/2 warp3, and warp4, 
require Fix Packs to become compliant.

Other considerations:
Is the hardware compliant?
Are ALL of the programs, that you use, compliant?
Are you using ALL of these programs in a Y2K compliant manner?
Are ALL of the other operating systems, that you use, compliant?
Are ALL of the other systems, that might interface to yours (even by 
diskette), compliant?
Are your kids going to bring home a diskette, created on a 
non-compliant machine?

Actually, it is not really all THAT bad, but you should think about 
all of these possibilities.

For a place to start, go to:
http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/solutions/and/y2000/year2000.html

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     06-Oct-99 16:37:10
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 16:31:22
Subj: Re: FP12 & device driver update harddrive mystery

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:01:58, nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu wrote:

> I had FP 11 and the new dasd stuff working fine on my home machine. On my
> school machine (newish to me) I had graphics problems and netscape
> problems. THose were solved by GRADD and by FP12.  Now however, and I
> think this is not FP12 but the ibm1506 and maybe others, on both machines
> I have harddrive problems.  On the home machine I fixed the big one with
> the /!BM suggestion.  However, both machines now do the strange thing of
> powering down the harddrive; so that everytime something needs to happen
> there is a looooooooong pause whilst I hear the drive cranking up.  So
> that's the major problem---what can I do to stop the drive(s) from going
> to sleep?
> 

This is, normally, controled in the machine BIOS, not in the OS. Look 
there for the APM (Advanced power Management) settings, and either 
extend the timeout period (recommended), or turn it off.

Personally, I set my disk powerdown to 10 minutes, and just wait for 
it when it needs to power on.

There is a known problem where the drives have trouble starting up 
after a shutdown. The fix is to add "/!SHUTDOWN" to the 
"BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD" line in CONFIG.SYS (this won't stop the drives 
from powering off).

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: heath@oakh.com                                    06-Oct-99 16:54:05
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 16:31:22
Subj: Any newer OS2SCSI.DMD files out there?

From: "Heath Saunders" <heath@oakh.com>

I just did an upgrade to Warp 3 to fixpak 39 and now my scsi driver is not
loading. The date on my OS2SCSI.DMD is 8-7-98. I'm wondering if anyone out
there has a newer version.

Thanks,

Heath Saunders
Network Support Technician
heath@zipcon.net


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From: blanders@freedomgroup.com                         06-Oct-99 16:10:25
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:16
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Bill" <blanders@freedomgroup.com>

On 3 Oct 1999 18:49:50 GMT, pcguido@attglobal.net wrote:

>In <37F67653.9344D6EE@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
>|Jim Stuyck wrote:
>||
>|| "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:
>||
>|| > Frank McKenney wrote:
>|| > >
>|| > > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
>|| > > >Frank McKenney wrote:
>|| >
>|| > [***SNIP!!!***]
>|| >
>|| > >
>|| > > Well, now that you mention it...
>|| > >
>|| > > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
>|| > > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
>|| > > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty boxes
>|| > > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and spit
>|| > > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
>
>Oh Yeah! Wasn't that a hoot to see & hear? When the little brushes that
>read the carriage control tape would get too dirty... whoosh! If you
>didn't have a stacker, the paper would stand up off the top of the
>printer and go straight across the room.
>
>I was actually lucky enough to see this happen twice. Thanks for the
>memory! :)
>
I prefer the stories from the card days of 2nd and 3rd shift
operators lifting floor panels, looking for their beer stash,
and dropping the panel on a fire sensor and dumping the halon.
And being buried under a cards.

Bill



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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    06-Oct-99 15:59:26
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Michael W. Cocke  <cocke@ibm.net> writes:
> 
> There's something wrong with either your floppy hardware or the driver 
> for it (IBM1FLPY.ADD).  

This seems to have been fixed. I disconnected everything, cleaned the
contacts, and re-plugged it in; now the floppy works. Still many problems
remain (see other post).

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              06-Oct-99 18:13:21
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: ATHLON Board

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
i have worked with all BIOS features )

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From: nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu                 06-Oct-99 13:12:00
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Re: FP12 & device driver update harddrive mystery

From: nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-LRivPjHNetLp@localhost>, on 10/06/99 
   at 04:37 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

<- This is, normally, controled in the machine BIOS, not in the OS. Look 
<- there for the APM (Advanced power Management) settings, and either 
<- extend the timeout period (recommended), or turn it off.
 Yeah, well that was my second thought BUT, the behavior happened with
the software update (i.e., the bios setup didn't change) AND I turned off
the APM and it's still the same. 
  And now I put in an old ibm1s506.add and it didn't help.  (Oh yes, I
also getting a driver not loaded message about the os2cdrom.dmd --both
before and after I changed the ibm1s506.add.  Still puzzled.

-- 
                                         Regards, 
                                         David
"It is better, of course, to know useless things 
than to know nothing."  -Seneca in "Epistles"
"What would life be without arithmetic, but a scene of horrors?"
                       -Rev. Sydney Smith, letter to young lady, 22 July 1835


-----------------------------------------------------------
David Auerbach                   nospam@auerbachatunity.ncsu.edu            
Department of Philosophy & Religion
NCSU
Box 8103
Raleigh, 27695-8103
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From: rascho@nospam.iname.com                           06-Oct-99 19:21:05
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Re: OpenGL

From: "Rade Popovic" <rascho@nospam.iname.com>

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:29:17 GMT, Glen D wrote:

>Make sure the .dll files are in your LIBPATH, if you want to run
>OpenGL programs.  The other stuff (if I remember correctly) is just
>for developing OpenGL programs.

Thank you

Rascho
e-mail:rascho@iname.com
ICQ# 49354974

------------------------
Hal 9000: "Dave, put those Windows disks down....Dave...DAVE!"


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From: desantom@io.com                                   06-Oct-99 11:11:07
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Various Warp 4 problems.

From: Mike DeSanto <desantom@io.com>

I recently had to re-install Warp 4.  I had a full backup, so this was
not much of a problem.  However, I wanted to install the newest Netscape
(4.61, I think).  I also use the Java version of ICQ and AIM.  That
required Fix Pack 5.  I downloaded the CSF disk, the update disks, the
Feature Install package and the latest Java Development Kit.

I install the fix pack.  Next bootup, the system crashes.  It says
something about ES1868$.  I boot with disks and find a line similar to
DEVICE=D:\MMOS2\ESS1868DD.SYS /N:ES1868$.  I rem out that line and the
next, which also uses the ES1868$.  OS/2 now boots, but my sound card
does not work.  I try re-installing the card, no luck.

I say 'OK, I can live without sound'.  I try to install the JDK.  It
asks me what country, then shuts down everything except Netscape
(including the desktop) and hangs.

Does anyone have any idea how I can 1) get my sound back!  and 2) get
the bloody JDK installed.  I want my Java back!

Thanks in advance

Mike DeSanto
desantom@io.com

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From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi                             06-Oct-99 19:43:07
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Re: Any newer OS2SCSI.DMD files out there?

From: domi@kenavo.NOSPAM.fi (Dominique Pivard)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:54:10, "Heath Saunders" <heath@oakh.com> wrote:

> I just did an upgrade to Warp 3 to fixpak 39 and now my scsi driver is not
> loading. The date on my OS2SCSI.DMD is 8-7-98. I'm wondering if anyone out
> there has a newer version.

The OS2SCSI.DMD on this machine (FP41) is date-stamped 12-Jul-99 
(11604 bytes). Are you aware that OS2SCSI.DMD is only needed for 
non-disk SCSI-devices (like tape drives, scanners etc.)?

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 06-Oct-99 23:20:04
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

WolfgangHaas wrote:
> 
> I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> i have worked with all BIOS features )

My first thought is that you've got a sick memory module!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: esko.kauppinen@ibm.net                            06-Oct-99 18:12:04
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 19:55:17
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net>

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 07:59:04 GMT, Duncan Munro wrote:

>Microsoft's win95 support pages do not show any recent fixes for the
>original version of win95, If you need proper support for large HDDs
>(on my 27gigs of HDD space I would have to have 14 partitions to run
>Win95!)...

	Agreed but thats one quite a big HD you have and to divide it 
	into 14 partitions would not be a bad idea. I have a 6 Gig drive 
	divided in 7 partitions on my laptop.

 or 300mhz  or faster AMD CPUs then you're out of luck.  I can
>only find SP1 for Win95 (original version) which does not resolve the
>above problems 

	Don't know anything about the AMD but I'm amazed 
	if there is no fixes to any problems running under W95.

>IBM provided free Fixpack support for Warp 3 until very recently.
>Warp3 users were not forced to upgrade to warp4 to get fixes, even
>though Warp3 came out in 1994!
>
>Look at the fantastic support that Warp3 users were given for free! 

	Agreed again, it's great, but device drivers is one sore point
	in Warp and those come as granted with W95.
	
>I agree that the costs for software choice is quite high but maybe
>there is away for OS/2 users to convince IBM to provide a less
>expensive solution.

	As Warp 3 & 4 are kept so well up to date with the fixpaks
	there is no hurry and it unfortunately looks like IBM is going
	in opposite direction to "less expensive solutions". 

	Maybe they will surprise us positively?

Esko



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From: srd@x.mcmail.com                                  06-Oct-99 23:22:23
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Steve Drewell <srd@x.mcmail.com>

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 at 10:19 +0200, Henk kelder
<nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl> wrote:

>After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM. Now I
>have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.

>Anyone else seen this?

I've got an extra process in addition to the VDM which has been around for
a long, long time:

PID NAME                              DESCRIPTION
--- --------------------------------- ------------------
1   UNKNOWN
2   VIRTUAL DOS MACHINE
3   E:\MMOS2\MIDIDMON.EXE             Scheduler Daemon
etc, etc...

Running pstat lists the process name of PID 1 as "3xBox" (whatever that
is) and the process name of PID 2 is listed as "(kernel)".

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steve Drewell             (Remove x. from address to reply)
_____________________________________________________________
Using IBM OS/2 Warp 4 running 27 processes with 139 threads.
Machine uptime is 4 days, 7 hours, 51 mins and 32 secs.
_____________________________________________________________


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From: davisfnospam@union.edu                            06-Oct-99 18:35:00
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: davisfnospam@union.edu

In <rfxbxnhccvaravozarg.fj7cc90.pminews@news3.ibm.net>, on 10/06/99 
   at 06:12 PM, "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net> said:

>or 300mhz  or faster AMD CPUs then you're out of luck.  I can >only find
>SP1 for Win95 (original version) which does not resolve the >above
>problems 

>	Don't know anything about the AMD but I'm amazed 
>	if there is no fixes to any problems running under W95.

There is a patch for running Win95 with higher speed AMD stuff somewhere
on the AMD website. I have the program if the original poster still wants
it. (Send me private email.)

F.

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Felmon John Davis		
     davisf@union.edu	|  davisf@capital.net     
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack 
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From: void@nospam.demon.nl                              06-Oct-99 19:02:09
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: Installing FIX-pack

From: huug <void@nospam.demon.nl>

>>>>> "Mackan" == Mackan  <Mackan@SpamMeNot.se> writes:

 Mackan> Hello there I was trying to install the fixpack (fixpack 11 for
 Mackan> os/2 warp 4.) , not using diskettes or the web.  There was a
 Mackan> way described in a readme-fil that followed the FIX141-disk.
 Mackan> And that I instead used a program called SVdisk, that faked a
 Mackan> DISK-drive, to make it possible to unpack the disketts to the
 Mackan> local harddrive.

Easier would be to get the *.ZIP version then.  I've used SVDisk in the
past when I *didn't* want to unpack it to my harddisk: the whole process
can run from the virtual floppy.

 Mackan> Why havn't IBM figured out an easy way to upgrade OS/2.

But they have: it's called RSU.

-- 
Note: I reserve the right to publish or return unsolicited, harassing or 
annoying (e-)mail.  /hy:x/                               PGP keyID: 0xDF28F4C1
"All are strange but thee and me; but sometimes thee acts funny."- Chuck Blake

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From: alan@min.net.notspam                              06-Oct-99 23:24:07
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: NC 4.61 dll files

From: alan@min.net.notspam

For some reason, I don't have the .dll files NC/2 4.61 was supposed to
create when I installed over 4.04.  No dumyplug.dll, or any of those
3000(?) byte files I apparently need.  Does anyone have a web page from
which I can pick them up?

Thanks.


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From: jvarela@mind-spring.com                           06-Oct-99 23:31:07
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: jvarela@mind-spring.com (John Varela)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:19:47, Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>
wrote:

> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?

PSTAT shows no VDMs on my FP12 system

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Oct-99 16:33:14
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: Netscape/os2 smart download????

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Fritz Oppliger wrote:
> 
> Is there some such?
> which would:
> 
> -TELL ME if a download terminated unsuccessfully - for any reason instead
> of quietly slinking off at 95% completion
> 
> -allow me to RESUME a botched/ partial  download - for any reason
> 
> like Zmodem has been doing for all these 8 years.
> 
> It does exist for W95...

For FTP downloads, FTP browser for OS/2 will resume an interrupted
download if you select the 'Append' choice.  Supposedly Netscape v4.61
also supports resuming interrupted downloads with the REGET option but I
have not used this.

> 
> fritzo@humboldt.net(Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Oct-99 16:49:16
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: FP12 & device driver update harddrive mystery

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


nospam@auerbach_at_unity.ncsu.edu wrote:
> 
> I had FP 11 and the new dasd stuff working fine on my home machine. On my
> school machine (newish to me) I had graphics problems and netscape
> problems. THose were solved by GRADD and by FP12.  Now however, and I
> think this is not FP12 but the ibm1506 and maybe others, on both machines
> I have harddrive problems.  On the home machine I fixed the big one with
> the /!BM suggestion.  However, both machines now do the strange thing of
> powering down the harddrive; so that everytime something needs to happen
> there is a looooooooong pause whilst I hear the drive cranking up.  So
> that's the major problem---what can I do to stop the drive(s) from going
> to sleep?
> 

You could just rem the IBM1s506.ADD file out in your config.sys file and
replace it with the Danis506.ADD device driver available from Hobbes as
Danis506.zip.  The Danis506.ADD driver allows you to set the disk
spindown timer for each drive independently and to disable it if you
don't want spindown.  


> --
>                                          Regards,
>                                          David
> Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
>         --Oscar Wilde
> "What would life be without arithmetic, but a scene of horrors?"
>                        -Rev. Sydney Smith, letter to young lady, 22 July
1835
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> David Auerbach                   nospam@auerbachatunity.ncsu.edu
> Department of Philosophy & Religion
> NCSU
> Box 8103
> Raleigh, 27695-8103
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Oct-99 16:53:28
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:36:00
Subj: Re: Various Warp 4 problems.

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Mike DeSanto wrote:
> 
> I recently had to re-install Warp 4.  I had a full backup, so this was
> not much of a problem.  However, I wanted to install the newest Netscape
> (4.61, I think).  I also use the Java version of ICQ and AIM.  That
> required Fix Pack 5.  I downloaded the CSF disk, the update disks, the
> Feature Install package and the latest Java Development Kit.
> 
> I install the fix pack.  Next bootup, the system crashes.  It says
> something about ES1868$.  I boot with disks and find a line similar to
> DEVICE=D:\MMOS2\ESS1868DD.SYS /N:ES1868$.  I rem out that line and the
> next, which also uses the ES1868$.  OS/2 now boots, but my sound card
> does not work.  I try re-installing the card, no luck.
> 
> I say 'OK, I can live without sound'.  I try to install the JDK.  It
> asks me what country, then shuts down everything except Netscape
> (including the desktop) and hangs.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea how I can 1) get my sound back!  and 2) get
> the bloody JDK installed.  I want my Java back!

I suggest just deleting the MMOS2 directory completely, rebooting, and
then doing a selective reinstall of the multimedia.  Make sure you have
the right drivers and are doing the install properly.  Get the sound
working properly.  THEN...apply Fixpack 12 with Fixtool v1.41 to update
the multimedia install.  (Note:  If you have already applied fixpack 12,
the Fixtool will only apply the service to the multimedia files. 
Otherwise, it will update everything.)  After this is done, uninstall
Netscape Communicator and then reinstall it.  Then install Feature
Install.  Then install Java 1.1.8 and you should be good to go.   


> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Mike DeSanto
> desantom@io.com

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From: bhskeen@povn.com                                  06-Oct-99 17:29:28
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: Brad Skeen <bhskeen@povn.com>

davisfnospam@union.edu wrote:

> In <rfxbxnhccvaravozarg.fj7cc90.pminews@news3.ibm.net>, on 10/06/99
>    at 06:12 PM, "Esko Kauppinen" <esko.kauppinen@ibm.net> said:
>
> >or 300mhz  or faster AMD CPUs then you're out of luck.  I can >only find
> >SP1 for Win95 (original version) which does not resolve the >above
> >problems
>
> >       Don't know anything about the AMD but I'm amazed
> >       if there is no fixes to any problems running under W95.
>
> There is a patch for running Win95 with higher speed AMD stuff somewhere
> on the AMD website. I have the program if the original poster still wants
> it. (Send me private email.)
>
> F.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>       Felmon John Davis
>      davisf@union.edu   |  davisf@capital.net
>      Union College /  Schenectady, NY
>      - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
>      OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
> -----------------------------------------------------------

The patch is only good for Win95 OSR2 or higher.  If you have the original
release of Win95 you're out of luck.

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From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu                      07-Oct-99 00:27:06
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Re: USB

From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu

In article <LeCK3.3026$ns6.40295@ha1>,
  jsjones@selectric.net wrote:

> I'm glad I was uninformed, here. It makes sense that the SCSI 250
> should work, considering how they're supported in OS/2.  But, weren't
> there a ton of posts back when they were first released, though,
> saying how they didn't work. Were these internal IDE? Parallel port?

Probably the PPort version. I did have to upgrade my SCSI card to a PCI
one due to CRC errors and weird problems. Good deal tho, I didn't pay
for any of it, and the system is nearly all SCSI now! :)

>  I do wonder about the USB 250 version, though.

The most recent drivers *should* work, but the Zip100 USB drivers didn't
work for me. (With a 100MB USB Zip drive FYI.)

--
-Steven Hunter               *OS/2 Warp 4 * |Warpstock '99 | Oct 16-17|
hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* |       Atlanta GA        |


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: rappleby@cadvision.com                            06-Oct-99 19:17:12
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Re: Inexpensive OS/2?

From: rappleby@cadvision.com (Ray Appleby)

On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:41:36, jwp <jpowell2@neo.rr.com> wrote:

> I took your advice and checked at Ebay.  I found what I am looking for but I 
am
> confused about "Red" and "Blue" versions.  Which is best?  I really don't
care
> about running Windows apps.  I will, however, be running OS/2 on the samd HD
> with Win 98 (Partition Magic).  Can you explain the difference please? 
Thanks.

The "Red" version allows you to use native Microsoft Windoze code to 
run Windoze 3.1 based programs.  The "Blue" version includes IBM's 
re-written (and more stable) version of Windoze called WIN-OS/2 which 
allows you to run most Windoze 3.1 programs and some Win32 programs.

Suggest that you install Windoze 98 first and then install OS/2 with 
Boot Manager (that's a program that comes with all versions of OS/2 
and allows you to select which partition to boot at startup.  If you 
install Win98 after you install OS/2 it will blow the Boot Manager 
partition away and you will have to re-install it again.

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     rappleby@cadvision.com
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             06-Oct-99 18:21:19
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


WolfgangHaas wrote:
> 
> I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> i have worked with all BIOS features )

The MSI-6167 Athlon board uses an Award BIOS.  When you bootup, press
the DEL key and you will enter the BIOS setup menu.  Select the BIOS
features setup option on the first screen and you will get a new
screen.  On the left side about 3 or 4 items from the bottom is an
option to set OS/2 memory at >64MB enabled or disabled.  Set the memory
at >64MB and after bootup OS/2 will see all 128 MB of memory.  The
BioStar, Gigabyte, and MSI Athlon motherboards all use an Award BIOS and
should all be similar in this.  

Bottom line is yes, the MSI 6167 Athlon motherboard will work with OS/2
and see all of the memory installed on the motherboard.

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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          07-Oct-99 10:35:29
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Brian

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

OK. Someone called Brian contacted me for Matrox
G-400 information. Unfortunately, your return address
was useless. If you want help then at least give me a
useable address!

Wayne



******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    07-Oct-99 02:03:02
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Re: Any newer OS2SCSI.DMD files out there?

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Heath Saunders (heath@oakh.com) wrote:
: I just did an upgrade to Warp 3 to fixpak 39 and now my scsi driver is not
: loading. The date on my OS2SCSI.DMD is 8-7-98. I'm wondering if anyone out
: there has a newer version.

DDPak_01 has.

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/DDPak/

	I never installed it as a fixpack, I just unpacked whichever file 
I wanted.


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From: donm@ftel.net                                     07-Oct-99 00:23:12
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:16:29
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

:>:>> My problem is this:
:>:>>         I have just got my ISP, who is local, to burn my website on a
:>:>> cdrom.  It was done
:>:>> on a Win98 machine and works fine on my machine when running WIN95 and
:>:>> Win98

:>:>>     Why can't Netscape in OS2 find the files when Windows95 can. E is
:>:>> my cdrom
:>:>> drive in Win95. J is my cdrom drive in OS2.
:>:>>     I've tried a dozen different things but nothing seems to work.
:>:>> Got any ideas?


you actually answered your own question above.  the CD was burned on a 98
machine
using the BS microsoft "long filename" approach.  Go ahead, create a long
filename
in windows, then try to copy it using the long name.  you must use the
truncated 
version with the "~1" in the filename.



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From: areese@bestnetpc.com                              07-Oct-99 00:49:01
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese)

In message <7tgp5s$tve$2@ting.ftel.net> - :24 GMT writes:
:>
:>:>:>> My problem is this:
:>:>:>>         I have just got my ISP, who is local, to burn my website on a
:>:>:>> cdrom.  It was done
:>:>:>> on a Win98 machine and works fine on my machine when running WIN95 and
:>:>:>> Win98
:>
:>:>:>>     Why can't Netscape in OS2 find the files when Windows95 can. E is
:>:>:>> my cdrom
:>:>:>> drive in Win95. J is my cdrom drive in OS2.
:>:>:>>     I've tried a dozen different things but nothing seems to work.
:>:>:>> Got any ideas?
:>
:>
:>you actually answered your own question above.  the CD was burned on a 98
:>machine
:>using the BS microsoft "long filename" approach.  Go ahead, create a long
:>filename
:>in windows, then try to copy it using the long name.  you must use the
:>truncated 
:>version with the "~1" in the filename.
:>

	I found the solution you might want to know as well. Add a /W to the
IFS X:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS.  This is not documented anyplace I can find
but it works.

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From: donm@ftel.net                                     07-Oct-99 00:17:04
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: donm@ftel.net (Don Morse)

In message <37FB17F1.D8BE6E5F@image.dk> - Peter Jespersen
<flywheel@image.dk>Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:35:45 +0100 writes:
:>
:>Henk kelder wrote:
:>> 
:>> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
:>> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
:>> 
:>> Anyone else seen this?
:>
:>Yep...strange!
:>A new hidden VDM has occured...now I have 2 of them!
:>(It is the second FP ive added to this installaion 0->11->12)
:>
:>-- 
:>Live long and prosper...
:>_________________________________________________________________
:> Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
:> flywheel@image.dk
:> http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
:> Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
:>


I believe I'm seeing the same thing here. 

   0:00:19.09    58   4 200  PM     C:\OS2\PMSPOOL.EXE
   0:00:00.00    29   3 300  SYS    C:\OS2\SYSTEM\HARDERR.EXE
   0:00:00.00     2   1 31F  DOS   VDM\1


  3:17:21.44   31123   Up-time:  0d   6:53:57.89                        




Notice the last process.  this is an output from plist.

I have no idea what to do with it, but I learned not to kill it...  :)



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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             07-Oct-99 03:31:03
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: jsjones@selectric.net

There is a BIOS update on the MSI Taiwan web pages. Have you tried flashing
the 
BIOS to the latest version?

In <37FB8347.676BDFE7@swol.de>, WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de> writes:
>I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
>Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
>unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
>i have worked with all BIOS features )
>


selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: rjlapham@infinet.com                              06-Oct-99 23:10:06
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: Re: USB

From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham)

In <LeCK3.3026$ns6.40295@ha1>, on 10/06/99 
   at 06:46 AM, jsjones@selectric.net said:

> I'm glad I was uninformed, here. It makes sense that the SCSI 250 should
> work,  considering how they're supported in OS/2.  But, weren't there a
> ton of posts  back when they were first released, though, saying how
> they didn't work. Were  these internal IDE? Parallel port?

It's the parallel port 250s that don't work.  The newer parallel port 100s
don't work, either because they use the same interface.

    -Jerry
-- 
============================================================
Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH
E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com
Written Wednesday, October 06, 1999 - 11:10 PM (EDT)
============================================================
MR/2 Ice tag:  I dont nead no speling cheker!

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Oct-99 00:17:25
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: Re: IBM drives stake into OS/2 heart

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37FBE984.27A50511@povn.com>, on 10/06/99 at 05:29 PM,
   Brad Skeen <bhskeen@povn.com> said:

> The patch is only good for Win95 OSR2 or higher.  If you have the
> original release of Win95 you're out of luck.

If you have ANY version of Windows you are out of luck.


--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: bobg@Pics.com
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           07-Oct-99 00:19:27
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <37FB6E25.54ED1316@us.ibm.com>, on 10/06/99 at 10:43 AM,
   Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> said:

> Henk, as the risk of appearing 'stupid' here, let me ask :

> 1) How can I recreate this?
> 2) How can I see the 'hidden' VDM (and your definition of it)? 3) What
> video adapter do you have?
> 4) What is the level of your Video Driver?

> Irv Spalten

I use Watchcat on my principal partition. I noticed a strange, seemingly
orphan, VDM after applying FP 8. Now with FP 12 (but no DDPack) installed,
I have two such critters.

Watchcat gives the following details:

The first one:

Title            :
real name: H:\ (FYI this is the boot partition)
PID             :  0x297,  663
PPID          :  0xE,  14 H:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
Type          : 
exe-type   :
Handle      : 0x0
Status        : 

The process contains 1 thread;
   Thread  1: Priority: 0x300, blocked


The second one:

Title            :
real name: H:\ 
PID             :  0x1,   1
PPID          :  0x0,   0 
exe-type   :
Handle      : 0x0
Status        : 

The process contains 6 threads;
   Thread  1: Priority: 0x100, blocked    Thread  2: Priority: 0x200,
blocked
   Thread  3: Priority: 0x200, blocked    Thread  4: Priority: 0x300,
blocked
   Thread  5: Priority: 0x300, blocked    Thread  6: Priority: 0x31E,
blocked




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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 07-Oct-99 04:30:03
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 03:17:00
Subj: OS/2 and CAD

From: hamei@pacbell.net

for the CAD sufferers among us : 

http://www.intellicad.org

Visio has just released the source to IntelliCAD, free to non-commercial
users. If some talented person could compile this and load it to Hobbes, 
we'd have a modern OS/2 CAD program !!

the best part is that Microsoft recently bought Visio -- can you just
imagine Mr Bill's face when a brand new Microsoft product ends up
OS/2 native ? 


--
Hrad ngravvrd

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                07-Oct-99 00:29:13
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 05:18:12
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:19:47, Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>
wrote:

> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?

Interesting.  PSPM/2 shows only 1 but GO shows this:

   30   28 000 Sys   3 0300    0:00:00.31      HARDERR.EXE
   29   28 FF0 VDM   1 0300    0:00:00.18      VDM ( Compression 
Methods  )
    2    1 000 VDM   1 031F    0:00:00.00    VDM

Of interest is the "Compression Methods" notation...  The first was 
the one attributed to the IDE query of the BIOS for disk parms but 
what is this one loaded MUCH later in the boot process?

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de                        07-Oct-99 08:56:19
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 05:18:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 and CAD

From: michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de

hamei@pacbell.net writes:


> Visio has just released the source to IntelliCAD, free to non-commercial
> users. If some talented person could compile this and load it to Hobbes, 
> we'd have a modern OS/2 CAD program !!

Unfortunately they use MFC. So you cannot simply recompile the
app. There was some discussion at the Odin-Team
(http://www.netlabs.org/odin). Maybe you want to help them?

regards
-- 
Michael Holzapfel <michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de>

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From: kaban@ix.netcom.com                               07-Oct-99 02:54:18
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 05:18:12
Subj: Different versions of Warp.

From: "N. Kaba" <kaban@ix.netcom.com>

Can somebody out there please enlighten me about the different flavors
of Warp. Specifically, at a flea market, I picked up a box that said
OS/2 WARP Server, Version 4; thinking it is Warp 4 but on doing some
reading in the manuals it appears to be Warp 3 with networking
capabilities. The questions are:
1. How is this version different from Warp Connect.
2. Does this version offer any extra functionality (if that's the
difference) for networking 3 computers to warrant the upgrade from Warp
Connect. 

Thanks in advance for any help.

N.Kaba

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       07-Oct-99 09:28:21
  To: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               07-Oct-99 05:18:12
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

To: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>
From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> Henk, as the risk of appearing 'stupid' here, let me ask :
> 
> 1) How can I recreate this?

Install FP12?. Okay, I should add that I've also tried the SDD beta 7 on
my machine. 
First I thought the problem orignated from that because some of my
previous experiments with the GRADD drivers more or less had the same
result. All versions of GRADD never worked properly on my machine (a
Toshiba Satellite Pro 490XCDT), so I had to revert back to the Virge/MX
specific drivers. But after installing the original drivers I ended up
with  a CPU hogging VDM. Killing the VDM solved the CPU hogging, but the
problem came back after each reboot.
After searching the problem I found that it was caused by an appearant
incompatibilty between one of the DLL's  supplied with GRADD and my
video driver. (I think it was VCFGMRI.DLL) My driver only installed this
DLL if it was installing on WARP 3. By manually installing the DLL from
the S3 drivers the problem was solved.

However in this situation I see the VDM being there, but the CPU problem
doesn't occur. Also, I've tried to determine which DLL as supplied with
the S3 Virge/MX drivers is installed with a newer version in OS2\DLL,
but I cannot find one. So my assumption was that FP12 caused the extra
VDM to appear. I just wanted confirmation that FP12 caused it to appear
and not something I did....

I should add I use DANIS506.ADD. This one also creates an VDM. I had to
use this since the IBM1S506.ADD (at least in FP11) hangs my machine.
This problem seems related to the fact that on this machine (Toshiba
490XCDT) I can no longer run certain DOS task such as TSETUP (the
toshiba's BIOS setup program) and I can also not run Win98's DOS in a
VMB, while on my previous machine (Toshiba 470CDT) I could run all these
programs....

The thirth VDM is as far as I know created by created VPRPMI.SYS. 

> 2) How can I see the 'hidden' VDM (and your definition of it)?

SET SCKILLFEATUREENABLED=YES and the warpcenter shows three SYSINIT
tasks. PROCS shows the same. PSTAT also shows these PIDs as SYSINIT, but
only if asking for information on the given PID.

> 3) What video adapter do you have?

A S3 Virge/MX M5.

> 4) What is the level of your Video Driver?
 
S3, Inc. M3/M5+, GX-LT Version 5.10.01 Built 26 Jun 1998, 6:41pm

Syslevel reports:
M3/M5,M5+,GX-LT
Version 5.10     Component ID 562107701
Current CSD level: S351001
Prior   CSD level: S351001

Henk Kelder

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From: kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com               07-Oct-99 00:30:03
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 05:18:12
Subj: Re: Different versions of Warp.

From: "Kim Cheung" <kimwaicSpamGoToGarbage@deltanet.com>

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:54:36 -0400, N. Kaba wrote:

>Can somebody out there please enlighten me about the different flavors
>of Warp. Specifically, at a flea market, I picked up a box that said
>OS/2 WARP Server, Version 4; thinking it is Warp 4 but on doing some
>reading in the manuals it appears to be Warp 3 with networking
>capabilities. The questions are:
>1. How is this version different from Warp Connect.

That's a server.    Warp Connect is a client with peer to peer connectivity. 
  

>2. Does this version offer any extra functionality (if that's the
>difference) for networking 3 computers to warrant the upgrade from Warp
>Connect. 

3 computers running all OS/2?   Windows?   




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From: hamei@pacbell.net                                 07-Oct-99 07:15:11
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: Re: OS/2 and CAD

From: hamei@pacbell.net

In <michaelogebmzfd.fsf@ime.rwth-aachen.de>, michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de
writes:
>hamei@pacbell.net writes:
>
>> Visio has just released the source to IntelliCAD, free to non-commercial
>> users. If some talented person could compile this and load it to Hobbes, 
>> we'd have a modern OS/2 CAD program !!
>
>Unfortunately they use MFC. So you cannot simply recompile the
>app. There was some discussion at the Odin-Team
>(http://www.netlabs.org/odin). Maybe you want to help them?
>

unfortunately  I'm a "Hello, World" programmer in C :-(
would bringing sandwiches and pizza be a help ? can do that happily :-)

I think it's a great project, tho -- OS/2 has about thirty System Info
utilities and File Managers, but zippo for useful CAD. If there were
any portions a simpleton could help with, certainly.

>regards
>-- 
>Michael Holzapfel <michael@ime.rwth-aachen.de>


--
Hrad ngravvrd


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From: mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com                        07-Oct-99 09:40:15
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: Re: Website Cdrom in OS2??

From: mikefry@iafrica.nospam.com (Mike Fry)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:49:02, areese@bestnetpc.com (A. Willard Reese) 
wrote:

> I found the solution you might want to know as well. Add a /W to the
> IFS X:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS.  This is not documented anyplace I can find
> but it works.
>  

Look at the README.1ST files from any of the more recent fixpaks. I 
think the switch maybe case-sensitive - README.1ST from FP12 has it as 
/w.

Regards,
MIKE FRY
mailto:mikefry@iafrica.com

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 07-Oct-99 11:22:02
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

"David T. Johnson" wrote:
>
> The MSI-6167 Athlon board uses an Award BIOS.  When you bootup, press
> the DEL key and you will enter the BIOS setup menu.  Select the BIOS
> features setup option on the first screen and you will get a new
> screen.  On the left side about 3 or 4 items from the bottom is an
> option to set OS/2 memory at >64MB enabled or disabled.  Set the memory
> at >64MB and after bootup OS/2 will see all 128 MB of memory.

AFAIK this BIOS constraint only has influence on performance.
Warp 4 should be able to see/use all of the memory even without
this setting! I myself am using an AWARD BIOS, and the OS/2 (Warp
4) does not care if the setting is enabled or disabled! Sounds
like 
they have been messing around with the BIOS.

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: s.hart@robinsons.co.uk                            07-Oct-99 10:43:16
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: NTFS Disk

From: "Simon Hart" <s.hart@robinsons.co.uk>

I have a PC with a removable drive which is used to swap between Win NT 4
and OS/2 Warp 4.

It has a second drive which is used to transfer data between the two
operating systems. This is a FAT drive. Unfotunately OS/2 only sees the
short filenames on this drive.

If I used NTFS on this drive would Warp be able to see it (and the long
filenames). Is there anything I need to do to enable Warp to see this disk.

TIA

Simon Hart


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From: wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp                          07-Oct-99 20:30:21
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: Injoy registration details

From: "Wayne Bickell" <wayne@SPAM.tkb.att.ne.jp>

Sorry, I lost the original thread on this but there was talk about
having to re-register new versions of Injoy. 

Back when I registered my copy (I think it was 1.1 in Feb 98) there
were three types of registration at three prices:

Basic @ $20
Extended @ $35
Professional server/client  @ $150

I opted for the extended version because according to the
readme I'd get:

============================================================
 I n J o y   E x t e n d e d   C l i e n t
=================================Meets Needs of Most=========



This is the registration level which will best fit most InJoy users. For 
only $15 more you get   A L L   the features of the Basic Client, PLUS:
                     ===========

   o FREE CLIENT UPGRADES FOR LIFE!!! (Your life, not your computer's.)

   o The best support I can give you if you run into trouble!

   o New participants in beta/development programs are selected from those 
     registered at this level, or higher.

   o ALL of the following features, AS they are developed:

      - Dial on Demand (available now)
      - IP Masquerading (share PPP connection simultaneously with work 
        stations on your LAN, including MAC's, Win95, 3.1 and all other
        TCP/IP clients....available now)
      - Host Triggered Actions (available now)
      - Wav-file support (sound)
      - Presentation Manager version (GUI)
      - TCPOS2.INI file support (migrate your existing hosts)
      - Auto monitor POP servers and HTML pages on the net
      - Automated downloading and installation of new InJoy versions
      - Dedicated ISDN support via CAPI
      - A few secret projects I just can't reveal yet . . . 

   IMPORTANT NOTE: All listed features are currently on my development "to 
                   do" list, and I want to bring all of them to InJoy.
                   However, due to presently unforeseen technical issues
                   some may not be in the initial generally available
                   release. Further, though all appear promising now, some
                   just may not be possible within the set speed standards.

As you may have noticed I'm not quite in the spirit world yet
so I hope that I will still get upgrades and the features (if they
are developed) until I am. I'm really looking forward to a GUI
version :-)

To charge for upgrades would be going against the licence
agreement. Anyway, I just unzipped the latest version into my
Injoy directory and all my registration details were intact.

Cheers

Wayne

BTW. I wonder what the secret projects were! a Windows
version? :-) Ouch!




******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
wayne@tkb.att.ne.jp
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
******************************************************



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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 07-Oct-99 12:58:11
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: Re: NTFS Disk

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Simon Hart wrote:
> 
> I have a PC with a removable drive which is used to swap between Win NT 4
> and OS/2 Warp 4.
> 
> It has a second drive which is used to transfer data between the two
> operating systems. This is a FAT drive. Unfotunately OS/2 only sees the
> short filenames on this drive.
> 
> If I used NTFS on this drive would Warp be able to see it (and the long
> filenames). Is there anything I need to do to enable Warp to see this disk.

Actually there is a VFAT driver for OS/2!
But is is still in beta, so it might not be ready for prime time!
For everyday use it works pretty well, but avoid stressing it too
much and for gods sake do not have it loaded when applying a
fixpack or doing something fancy like that (own experience).
Try to search for vfat_005.zip on hobbes, AFAIk this one is the
latest!

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: janswa@algonet.se                                 07-Oct-99 11:42:21
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling)

How do I get the System Clock in Warp 4 to display a 4-digit year? (OS/2 
System>System Setup>System Clock). I thought this would be in one of the 
Y2K fixpacks.

 Now it display 07-10-99
 I like to show 07-10-1999

How would it display next year?

Also, 

if I the enter the Date command in a DOS windows  it show a 2-digit year.

if I enter the Date command  in an OS/2 Windows it show a 4-digit year.

I have fixpack 9 installed.

What gives?

Jan Swartling
 Blue Soft
 Sweden 

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From: meazell@ibm.net                                   07-Oct-99 07:09:27
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 10:30:29
Subj: Re: SMP Motherboards and OS/2

From: "Gerald F. Meazell" <meazell@ibm.net>

Thanks to all that replied.  I have decided to go with the Tyan S1836DLU.
It has the best combination of PCI, ISA, and DIMM slots and also has some
built-ins that are nice as well.


--
__________________________________
Gerald F. Meazell
Dallas, Texas
-----------------------------------------------------------
"The one I kiss will be your man." - Judas Iscariot, 33 A.D.
"I am loyal to the United States." - Benedict Arnold, 1776
"OS/2 will be the platform of the 90's." - Bill Gates, 1989
--
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From: blackdeath@13softhome.net                         07-Oct-99 12:26:17
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:20
Subj: FP 12 and PM Shell won't start

From: blackdeath@13softhome.net (Stewart Honsberger)

I applied FP12 last night (Using corrective service utility v1.41), and went
out. When I got back, it told me to hit C-A-D to re-boot (so I went back to
the
WPS and shut down).

When it re-booted, I got a trap 0008 on SINGLEQ$. I've seen a trap after
applying previous fixpacks, so I just booted to command-prompt, rem'ed the
VW32S.SYS line, and booted again. This time, the PM Shell started to come
up, but I got a message something like "OS00032: Message not found in ... ",
then another error from PCS C-A-D Commander that it couldn't start the
keyboard manager, then another error from OS/2, then it stopped booting.

I once again booted to a command-prompt and replaced the updated KBDBASE.SYS
with the one supplied with C-A-D Commander, but that only resulted in one
less error message when I boot. I'm still getting the error about the message
not found.

Anyone else have similar problems?

Can anyone tell me how I can back out of this fixpack (back to FP11) from
the command-prompt?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               07-Oct-99 12:43:09
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:20
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl> wrote:

[ .. ]

>>> 2) How can I see the 'hidden' VDM (and your definition of it)?

> SET SCKILLFEATUREENABLED=YES and the warpcenter shows
> three SYSINIT tasks. PROCS shows the same. PSTAT also shows
> these PIDs as SYSINIT, but only if asking for information on the given PID.

Hmm ... SYSINITS? Noticed those for the first time after installing FP11
However, did not remember seeing them before (see my post on that dated
14 Aug, which provoked no replies at that time <g>) which does not mean
that I am sure that they were not there on FP10 and before.

And yes, having gone to FP12 last week I have three instead of two now
also. One of which is reported by Ctrl-Alt-Del-Commander as being watched
for (over?) by its parent for termination. Weird thing is I have de-installed
DOS
and WinOS/2 totally. I am on GEN GRADD .80 since a few days before on .77

>> 3) What video adapter do you have?
 
> A S3 Virge/MX M5.

I am using an S3 too (supposed to be TRIO 3D/2x 362/365) but I was
using an old Video Seven card when I first noticed this (also under GEN
GRADD as far as I remember, my system-installation notes where .... <g>).

So I doubt it is S3 related and as you are not using GRADD.....

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net                 05-Oct-99 19:26:06
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:20
Subj: Re: New monitor questions

From: raphaelt@netnews.worldnet.att.net (Raphael Tennenbaum)

"Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:05:48 -0400, Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:
>
>->>Take a good look at the 107MB monitor (rather good color balance and does
>->>1280x1024 at 80Hz with .22 dot pitch) or the cheaper, I think about 2/3 of 
the
>->>price of all the better 17" monitors from Philips, 107S (not perfect, but
OK
>->>value for the money).
>->
>->107B from Phillips it is -- $148 plus shipping, not dirt-
>->cheap, but not bad.  It should get here in week and half or
>->so.
>
>The 107B is the predecessor model to the 107MB. Still quite nice but the
>MB is newer and better. The 107S is a much cheaper model (and you can tell
>why when you see them side by side).
>
>Thanks for helping to keep me in a job ;-)

Least I can do!...

>Working for, but not speaking for, a subsidiary of Philips.

...and I promise to spell it right from now on as well.  I
liked the specs on it (as much sense as I could make of
these) but for some reason I have this good "brand
association" (if that's the marketing phrase) w/Philips. 
Partly a trusty old Magnavox CD player that's never failed,
maybe more for dozens of old classical LPs from the 50s and
60s...


-- 
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Oct-99 14:27:02
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:21
Subj: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Does anyone know how to contact this company? The fax number listed in 
their webpage gets an inaudible voice announcement, and the site gives no 
email address. The fax number that I used for them several years ago is now
"unassigned".

I want to purchase another one of these devices, but the local dealer who 
is listed in the Kensington website says he hasn't carried their stuff for 
years. Is this company still doing business? In secret?

-------------
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Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
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From: n3jja@my.address.is.my.business....               07-Oct-99 14:31:08
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:21
Subj: Re: only 64MB under OS/2

Message sender: n3jja@my.address.is.my.business.jackoff

From: n3jja@my.address.is.my.business.jackoff (Jim Nuytens)

There's something to be said for not going to the bleeding edge.

AMD K6II-350 and FIC 503+ motherboard reports 128 RAM to both Linux 
and OS/2. It's a hardware problem, pure and simple.

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:57:24, jsjones@selectric.net wrote:

> You are presumably using the MSI 6167 motherboard, which is so new it isn't
yet 
> listed on their German web pages. This seems likely to use an Intel chipset, 
as 
> all their other boards do. You are running OS/2 v4 with a recent fixpack
(FP10, 
> I think). You should NOT need to set OS/2 ---> 64MB in the BIOS; you will do 

> better with it disabled.
> 
> AMD's web pages don't have much info on the Athlon 500 CPU, yet, but they 
> do specifically state OS/2 is supported. As mentioned, www.msi-computer.de 
> doesn't even mention your MB. I can't connect to their English pages at 
> www.msi.com.tw. As it is now Monday morning in Taiwan, I would guess they 
> are either down due to the earthquake or they are overloaded with support
> inquiries.
> 
> If you are genuinely having problems with a brand new board and CPU, you 
> need to report this to AMD *and* MSI (both German and international)
support.
> There is no obvious reason why the full 128 megabytes of memory should 
> not be recognized and used by your system. And, more important, there is 
> nothing you can do with BIOS or OS/2 settings to change that.
> 

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe."
Dr. McCoy to Kirk / Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home

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From: forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se                      07-Oct-99 16:45:20
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:21
Subj: Re: The number one Dead OS

From: Martin Nisshagen <forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se>

John Thompson [The Crimson Permanent Assurance] -> comp.os.os2.misc:

 In <foj4N=FhO9MWwpad6BCnaBGPSiOA@news.kraftwerk.net>, Martin Nisshagen
<forkd4nisse@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:
 
 >All self selected surveys is just advocacy, regardless if you select your
 >favorite OS, games, car, etc. 
 
 Yes, very succinctly put, Martin, and worth remembering.

Thanks! :-)

Best regards,

m a r t i n | n

-- 
Martin Nisshagen                 PGP 6.0: 0x45D423AC      K R A F T W E R K
:-)
CS/CE, Chalmers, Sweden          ICQ UIN: 689662          2 x 300A @ 450 MHz
d4nisse-at-dtek-chalmers-se      home2.sbbs2.com/mn      
home2.sbbs2.com/mn/kw

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              07-Oct-99 07:49:24
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:21
Subj: Re: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

I was in Office Despot a few days ago, they have stacks of Kensington
stuff.

Did you look at this web page:
http://www.kensington.com/support/sup_1179.html?

Graham.

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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             07-Oct-99 09:51:20
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:21
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

OK, everyone, there are (at least) two different things going on, here:
	1. As of FP11, I rewrote pstat to be 32 bit, so it no longer chokes
on heavily-loaded systems.
               It would seem, however, that I got the sense of an "if" wrong,
so that for the kernel threads
               (pid 1) I now print out "3xBox" (which refers to Dos 3.x
emulation) and for VDMs I print out
               "kernel". I though I'd tested that. Oops. I'll fix it next
go-round.
	2. The people who have a vdm as pid 2 are using ibm1s506, which
spawns a vdm thread to
                talk to realmode BIOS routines.
	3. At least most of the people who have a mysterious vdm later are
using GRADD services.
                They use a VDM thread, too.

Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:22:47 +0100, Steve Drewell wrote:
>Running pstat lists the process name of PID 1 as "3xBox" (whatever that
>is) and the process name of PID 2 is listed as "(kernel)".


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               07-Oct-99 09:37:09
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 14:41:21
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

I have that feature enabled, and on my FP 11 machine, the last two are
SYSINIT as well? I can't tie them back via PSTAT though to anything?

The only one I see 'odd' is :

 C:\OS2\CMD.EXE   004B       1C      C:\OS2\DLL\DOSCALL1.DLL*
 C:\OS2\CMD.EXE   0049       1B      C:\OS2\DLL\DOSCALL1.DLL*
 C:\TCPIP\BIN\REXECD.EXE   004E       1B      C:\MPTN\DLL\TNLS32.DLL

Is the 1C what you consider hidden? Nothing after it?

Looking at the PID's, I see :

 001C   EPWROUT                                        
C:\OS2\EPWROUT.EXE
 001B   EPWDDR3                                        
C:\OS2\EPWDDR3.EXE

Irv

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> Irv Spalten wrote:
> >
> > Henk, as the risk of appearing 'stupid' here, let me ask :
> >
> > 1) How can I recreate this?
> 
> Install FP12?. Okay, I should add that I've also tried the SDD beta 7 on
> my machine.
> First I thought the problem orignated from that because some of my
> previous experiments with the GRADD drivers more or less had the same
> result. All versions of GRADD never worked properly on my machine (a
> Toshiba Satellite Pro 490XCDT), so I had to revert back to the Virge/MX
> specific drivers. But after installing the original drivers I ended up
> with  a CPU hogging VDM. Killing the VDM solved the CPU hogging, but the
> problem came back after each reboot.
> After searching the problem I found that it was caused by an appearant
> incompatibilty between one of the DLL's  supplied with GRADD and my
> video driver. (I think it was VCFGMRI.DLL) My driver only installed this
> DLL if it was installing on WARP 3. By manually installing the DLL from
> the S3 drivers the problem was solved.
> 
> However in this situation I see the VDM being there, but the CPU problem
> doesn't occur. Also, I've tried to determine which DLL as supplied with
> the S3 Virge/MX drivers is installed with a newer version in OS2\DLL,
> but I cannot find one. So my assumption was that FP12 caused the extra
> VDM to appear. I just wanted confirmation that FP12 caused it to appear
> and not something I did....
> 
> I should add I use DANIS506.ADD. This one also creates an VDM. I had to
> use this since the IBM1S506.ADD (at least in FP11) hangs my machine.
> This problem seems related to the fact that on this machine (Toshiba
> 490XCDT) I can no longer run certain DOS task such as TSETUP (the
> toshiba's BIOS setup program) and I can also not run Win98's DOS in a
> VMB, while on my previous machine (Toshiba 470CDT) I could run all these
> programs....
> 
> The thirth VDM is as far as I know created by created VPRPMI.SYS.
> 
> > 2) How can I see the 'hidden' VDM (and your definition of it)?
> 
> SET SCKILLFEATUREENABLED=YES and the warpcenter shows three SYSINIT
> tasks. PROCS shows the same. PSTAT also shows these PIDs as SYSINIT, but
> only if asking for information on the given PID.
> 
> > 3) What video adapter do you have?
> 
> A S3 Virge/MX M5.
> 
> > 4) What is the level of your Video Driver?
> 
> S3, Inc. M3/M5+, GX-LT Version 5.10.01 Built 26 Jun 1998, 6:41pm
> 
> Syslevel reports:
> M3/M5,M5+,GX-LT
> Version 5.10     Component ID 562107701
> Current CSD level: S351001
> Prior   CSD level: S351001
> 
> Henk Kelder

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    07-Oct-99 17:41:13
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 16:38:27
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn <ReplyToNews@The-Net-4U.com> writes:
> 
> DreckBak is at: http://www.bmtmicro.com/catalog/dreckbak.html and QF
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?dir=/pub/os2/system/patches/fixpack

Thanks. Teetering on the road to recovery. I got the old Netscape back
alive, and I'm still at the GA level. Now let's see if I can figure out
the CDRW business!

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Oct-99 16:27:03
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 16:38:27
Subj: Re: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:49:49, "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com> 
wrote:

> I was in Office Despot a few days ago, they have stacks of Kensington
> stuff.

You are a lucky man. Please look at the signature block below.

> Did you look at this web page:
> http://www.kensington.com/support/sup_1179.html?

I did. That's what I said, if you will look at my original query.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                07-Oct-99 12:27:15
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 16:38:27
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn) said:
>SYSINITS? Noticed those for the first time after installing FP11
>However, did not remember seeing them before (see my post on that dated 14
Aug,
>which provoked no replies at that time <g>) which does not mean that I am
sure
>that they were not there on FP10 and before.

They were definitely there in FP10.  I asked questions what they were - never
got any answers.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                07-Oct-99 12:36:13
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 16:38:27
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com> said:

>3. At least most of the people who have a mysterious vdm later are using
GRADD
>services.

Okay, I'm not grasping all of this thread, but I think a SYSINIT on the Warp
Center kill list means a VDM.  And I think by "mysterious VDM later" you mean
a
third one.

1.  I have 3 SYSINIT's and am running Trident.

2.  Will the world come to an end if I kill any of these SYSINITs?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             07-Oct-99 11:12:29
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 16:38:27
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:04:20 -0500, Irv Spalten wrote:

>Henk, I got it (FP 11 and 12) under Kernel Debug. The KillFeature
>SYSINIT's do not exist, we can't find them. Suspect buggy code there.
No, just a difference in naming. Not a bug. Really.

>There ARE hidden VDM's for S3 and we beleive MATROX display adapters.
Specifically, the GRADD versions of these driver (as I mentioned elsewhere).
Personally, I still
strongly prefer the Matrox drivers from Matrox -- particularly the new
version on Hobbes. But then, that's different discussion.

>If you want, take a DUMP of your system and send me the files, I'll have them 
looked at.
Cancel that remark. Don't send a dump.



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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Oct-99 17:22:11
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 16:38:27
Subj: Full-Duplex Sound Card

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Is there a sound card that supports full-duplex operation under OS/2?

Failing this, what such cards can be installed under Win-OS/2?

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    07-Oct-99 18:16:26
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Maul DTP for OS/2 

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Esther Schindler <esther@bitranch.com> writes:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:09:56, Dale Erwin <derwin@airmail.net> wrote:
> | Speaking of DTP, has anyone tried MAUL????
> 
> I just downloaded it a couple of days ago. I'm thinking of reviewing 
> it for extended attributes.

It's confusing for me, with no background in DTP. I have a hard time
figuring out what the docs mean, and I have not done anything serious with
it.

Pierre
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                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: rcpj@panix.com                                    07-Oct-99 18:01:27
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc)

Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> 
> You need to get a newer driver for the card. I think all ESS cards suffer
> from this problem and it has been reported to them. Application of later
> Warp 4 fixpacks breaks the drivers to the extent that they TRAP OS/2. 

The card was pre-installed and came with a set of drivers dated 1997. I
will try those again. But does it mean that the fixpacks overwrite those
drivers and that I will have to re-install them again? I don't remember a
place in the fixpack installation that allows to bypass a specific driver.

Pierre
-- 
Pierre Jelenc                  | The Cucumbers' "Total Vegetility" is out!
                               |  Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" is out!
The New York City Beer Guide   |      RAW Kinder's "CD EP" is out!
   http://www.nycbeer.org      | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com

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From: elygre@c2i.net                                    07-Oct-99 18:48:11
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: HELP.JAVA 1.1.8 will not start

From: elygre@c2i.net

I have installed JAVA 1.1.8, but it will not start. No error messages 
or anything.
If I drag a sample object to NC, it displays a message saying: 
"Starting JAVA" and a counter showing how many % is loaded. At about 
15 %, NC dies without a message.
If I try to run the famous code "hello" (JAVA hello) in an os/2 
window, nothing happens. The cursor just reappear ready for a new 
command.
If I double click the icon hello.java in the folder "hello" in SAMPLES
an os/2-window is opened with the title "Compile Java code". An error 
message without a number (identification) is displayed saying 
something like "Unrecoverable error. Process stopped. Press a key when
ready."

Any idea what to do?

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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               07-Oct-99 11:09:04
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Stan, I use the 'old' Expert Mouse, and it from 4 or 5 years ago. This
is the 2 button model. They no longer make these, but if you go to
http://www.kensington.com/products/pro_mic_d1029.html, you'll see they
now have a 4 button model. I have not seen these in use, but I expect
they would be the same.

Irv

Stan Goodman wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how to contact this company? The fax number listed in
> their webpage gets an inaudible voice announcement, and the site gives no
> email address. The fax number that I used for them several years ago is now
> "unassigned".
> 
> I want to purchase another one of these devices, but the local dealer who
> is listed in the Kensington website says he hasn't carried their stuff for
> years. Is this company still doing business? In secret?
> 
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
> 
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
> 
> 

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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             07-Oct-99 11:48:04
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:36:26 -0400, lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

>2.  Will the world come to an end if I kill any of these SYSINITs?
One of three things will happen:
	1. You won't be able to kill them (I personally made sure of this
with the DASD vdm thread).
	2. The system will trap
	3. Your video will stop working

You can test this if you're feeling masochistic.


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               07-Oct-99 11:04:10
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Henk, I got it (FP 11 and 12) under Kernel Debug. The KillFeature
SYSINIT's do not exist, we can't find them. Suspect buggy code there.

There ARE hidden VDM's for S3 and we beleive MATROX display adapters.
Once found, they are kicked off for communications with the chipset,
even if you are running pure VGA drivers.

If you want, take a DUMP of your system and send me the files, I'll have
them looked at.

Irv

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?
> 
> Henk
> --
> Remove nospam when replying..

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From: J.Scholtysik@t-online.de                          07-Oct-99 20:33:02
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: J.Scholtysik@t-online.de (Joachim Scholtysik)

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:13:43, WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de> 
wrote:

> I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> i have worked with all BIOS features )
> 

Hi Wolfgang,

ich benutze ein Biostar M7MKA Board fuer den Athlon und ich mu sagen,
es laeuft super bei mir. Ich hatte am Anfang auch Schwierigkeiten mit 
dem Speicher, bis ich herausgefunden habe, dass das Biostar Board 
nicht mit meinem 256 MB Speichermodul (LG Electronics) 
zusammengearbeitet hat. Ich habe es gegen drei 64 MB Module von 
Siemens ausgetauscht und auch zur Vorsicht das BIOS (Stand 10.09.1999)
geupdatet. Nun laeuft alles einwandfrei.

Tschuess.


Joachim

J.Scholtysik@t-online.de

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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              07-Oct-99 15:31:24
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

NO in all newsgroups i write : this Option doesnt works on a Athlon MSI Board.
By this Option i have only 24 MB Ram detect from OS/2.
Sorry ,now im a little gracy then all people write me: do this Option!!!!
the opptin  >64MB enabled doesnt goes of the MSI Board!!

Thnks and have a god day

"David T. Johnson" schrieb:

> WolfgangHaas wrote:
> >
> > I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> > Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> > unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> > i have worked with all BIOS features )
>
> The MSI-6167 Athlon board uses an Award BIOS.  When you bootup, press
> the DEL key and you will enter the BIOS setup menu.  Select the BIOS
> features setup option on the first screen and you will get a new
> screen.  On the left side about 3 or 4 items from the bottom is an
> option to set OS/2 memory at >64MB enabled or disabled.  Set the memory
> at >64MB and after bootup OS/2 will see all 128 MB of memory.  The
> BioStar, Gigabyte, and MSI Athlon motherboards all use an Award BIOS and
> should all be similar in this.
>
> Bottom line is yes, the MSI 6167 Athlon motherboard will work with OS/2
> and see all of the memory installed on the motherboard.

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From: l_luciano@da.mob                                  07-Oct-99 19:04:06
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman)

Ah, long time no "see", virtually speaking -- we had some corresondence 
during OS/2 v2.0 days.

Yes, the two-button version (v4.0) is what I have two of. What I need now 
is another one, preferably one that supports the USB interface. I would 
like one with only two buttons, but it is true that they don't make these 
any longer. What the query was for was to get Kensington to tell me who 
sells their goods locally; their LONG out of date web page lists only one 
dealer, who swears that he has not carried Kensington products for years. 
The out-of-dateness is also the reason I posted here, because the numbers 
and email address given on the site are invalid. Clearly, the complany 
attaches little importance to e-business.

So I have fallen back on ordering from a US dealer, if they answer me. Does
anybody know of a utility that will enable me to make use of buttons #3 and
#4?

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:09:08, Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Stan, I use the 'old' Expert Mouse, and it from 4 or 5 years ago. This
> is the 2 button model. They no longer make these, but if you go to
> http://www.kensington.com/products/pro_mic_d1029.html, you'll see they
> now have a 4 button model. I have not seen these in use, but I expect
> they would be the same.
> 
> Irv
> 
> Stan Goodman wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone know how to contact this company? The fax number listed in
> > their webpage gets an inaudible voice announcement, and the site gives no
> > email address. The fax number that I used for them several years ago is
now
> > "unassigned".
> > 
> > I want to purchase another one of these devices, but the local dealer who
> > is listed in the Kensington website says he hasn't carried their stuff for
> > years. Is this company still doing business? In secret?

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to l_luciano@da.mob will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: oliver.rick@oor.de                                06-Oct-99 23:35:04
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Warp 3 and Y2K

From: oliver.rick@oor.de (Oliver Rick)

On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 Pat Pridgen wrote:

> What would I need to get to make Warp 3 y2k compliant

Please take a look at http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warp_year2000.html

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               07-Oct-99 18:33:08
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> lifedata@xxvol.com wrote:

> They were definitely there in FP10.  I asked questions what 
> they were - never got any answers.

Ah, that makes two of us without answers and you having
the first-birth-rights. Now that Henk Kelder is on to them we
must expect detailed solutions, explanations etc. soon <g>.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             07-Oct-99 11:46:00
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Peter Jespersen wrote:
> 
> "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > The MSI-6167 Athlon board uses an Award BIOS.  When you bootup, press
> > the DEL key and you will enter the BIOS setup menu.  Select the BIOS
> > features setup option on the first screen and you will get a new
> > screen.  On the left side about 3 or 4 items from the bottom is an
> > option to set OS/2 memory at >64MB enabled or disabled.  Set the memory
> > at >64MB and after bootup OS/2 will see all 128 MB of memory.
> 
> AFAIK this BIOS constraint only has influence on performance.
> Warp 4 should be able to see/use all of the memory even without
> this setting! I myself am using an AWARD BIOS, and the OS/2 (Warp
> 4) does not care if the setting is enabled or disabled! Sounds
> like
> they have been messing around with the BIOS.

You are right that OS/2 v4 (and v3) can access and use all of the
installed memory up to 512 MB  but...only if it is detected by OS/2. 
The standard BIOS memory detection method only works up to 64 MB.  Over
64 MB, there are several different BIOS INT 15 installed RAM query
methods implemented by the different BIOS versions and vendors.  The
ones I have seen listed are 

INt 15h, AH=88h (reports max. of 16 to 64MB depending on system, works
with everything)

INT 15h, AX=801h (Used by Windows, reports > 64 MB RAM)
INT 15h, AX=881h (Used by OS/2, reports > 64 MB RAM)
INT 15h, AX=820h (Newer query, reports >64MB, supersedes 801h)


The OS/2 memory>64MB BIOS setup option toggles the mapping of INT 15.  I
have seen people claim that OS/2 v4 cleverly checks both AX code E801
and E881 so that it always gets the max RAM and that therefore it did
not matter if the setup option was set to enable or disable.  Depending
on your BIOS/motherboard, this may be true and the 64MB OS/2 BIOS switch
setting may have no effect.  But it is also possible that your BIOS does
not use either of these older queries if the BIOS OS/2 switch is not set
and the OS/2 detected RAM will then default to 64 MB.  Therefore, if
your BIOS setup offers the ">64MB OS/2 DRAM option" (the MS-6167 BIOS
words this a little differently) and you use OS/2 with more than 64MB of
RAM, you should definitely assume that the BIOS vendor was considering
OS/2 RAM > 64 MB queries and go ahead and enable the OS/2 mapping with
the BIOS setup option.  If this still does not help, then there may be a
problem with the physical memory or the BIOS may have a bug in the OS/2
memory option feature.

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     07-Oct-99 19:48:02
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:42:43, janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling) wrote:

> How do I get the System Clock in Warp 4 to display a 4-digit year? (OS/2 
> System>System Setup>System Clock). I thought this would be in one of the 
> Y2K fixpacks.
>
>  Now it display 07-10-99
>  I like to show 07-10-1999
> 
> How would it display next year?

The System clock IS Y2K compliant. It shows (per your example) 
07-10-00 for the year 2000. It does not show 4 digits,
 
> Also, 
> 
> if I the enter the Date command in a DOS windows  it show a 2-digit year.

DOS 5.0 only shows two digits for the year, so a DOS session, under 
OS/2 (which is essentially DOS 5.0) does the same. It will show "00" 
as the year, in 2000 (which IS Y2K compliant). As I understand it, the
extra two digit are available, just not displayed. On the other hand, 
IBM PC-DOS 7.0 (and I assume IBM PC-DOS 2000), with the Y2K updates, 
does show the 4 digit year. AFAIK, IBM PC-DOS 7.0, and IBM PC-DOS 
2000, are the ONLY DOS that is ready for the year 2000.
 
> if I enter the Date command  in an OS/2 Windows it show a 4-digit year.

Never noticed that before, but yes it does show 4 digits.
 
> I have fixpack 9 installed.
> 
> What gives?
> 
> Jan Swartling
>  Blue Soft
>  Sweden 
> 

Try going to 
http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/solutions/and/y2000/year2000.html 
for more information about Y2K readiness.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             07-Oct-99 12:21:11
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:03
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


WolfgangHaas wrote:
> 
> NO in all newsgroups i write : this Option doesnt works on a Athlon MSI
Board.
> By this Option i have only 24 MB Ram detect from OS/2.
> Sorry ,now im a little gracy then all people write me: do this Option!!!!
> the opptin  >64MB enabled doesnt goes of the MSI Board!!

Sorry, I had not seen your other posts.  If the OS/2 switch does not
work, then all we OS/2 users can do is wait for a bug fix from MSI or
try another board.  Has anyone tried the FIC SD-11 board, yet, with
OS/2?  It uses the AMI BIOS rather than the Award BIOS.

> 
> Thnks and have a god day
> 
> "David T. Johnson" schrieb:
> 
> > WolfgangHaas wrote:
> > >
> > > I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> > > Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> > > unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> > > i have worked with all BIOS features )
> >
> > The MSI-6167 Athlon board uses an Award BIOS.  When you bootup, press
> > the DEL key and you will enter the BIOS setup menu.  Select the BIOS
> > features setup option on the first screen and you will get a new
> > screen.  On the left side about 3 or 4 items from the bottom is an
> > option to set OS/2 memory at >64MB enabled or disabled.  Set the memory
> > at >64MB and after bootup OS/2 will see all 128 MB of memory.  The
> > BioStar, Gigabyte, and MSI Athlon motherboards all use an Award BIOS and
> > should all be similar in this.
> >
> > Bottom line is yes, the MSI 6167 Athlon motherboard will work with OS/2
> > and see all of the memory installed on the motherboard.

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From: Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com                     07-Oct-99 21:34:08
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:04
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com>

On 7 Oct 1999 18:01:55 GMT, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

->> You need to get a newer driver for the card. I think all ESS cards suffer
->> from this problem and it has been reported to them. Application of later
->> Warp 4 fixpacks breaks the drivers to the extent that they TRAP OS/2. 
->
->The card was pre-installed and came with a set of drivers dated 1997. I
->will try those again. But does it mean that the fixpacks overwrite those
->drivers and that I will have to re-install them again? I don't remember a
->place in the fixpack installation that allows to bypass a specific driver.

No. The problem is that the 1997 driver has a bug in it. It doesn't affect
anything until you apply the later fixpacks at which point it blows up. 


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
(Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com or 75704.2477@compuserve.com)



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From: li_9_thop@plantlife73.com.na                      07-Oct-99 20:48:19
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:04
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: li_9_thop@plantlife73.com.na (Jim Backus)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:48:04, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:42:43, janswa@algonet.se (Jan Swartling) wrote:
> 
> > How do I get the System Clock in Warp 4 to display a 4-digit year? (OS/2 
> > System>System Setup>System Clock). I thought this would be in one of the 
> > Y2K fixpacks.
> >
> >  Now it display 07-10-99
> >  I like to show 07-10-1999
> > 
> > How would it display next year?
> 
> The System clock IS Y2K compliant. It shows (per your example) 
> 07-10-00 for the year 2000. It does not show 4 digits,

It _does_ seem like a big omission that OS/2 cannot display dates with
4 digits for years.  The international standard that is gradually 
gaining acceptance uses yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss as its date and time 
format.  I believe that this date format is standard in several 
countries including Sweden and China.


Jim Backus
OS/2 user because it's better

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                07-Oct-99 17:03:12
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:04
Subj: Apology for Misinformation on OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

Some time back I indicated that OS/2 Warp 4 (client) was not in the IBM
sales manual anymore.  I was apparently wrong.

I haven't seen thae SM, but I just received my quarterly catalog from
IBM (Software) and noticed 2 items under "OS/2" in the index, one of
them Warp.

It is:

Y2k ready (with IBM fixpacks)
Let's you develop and deploy Java Apps
Network ready

Defect support available thru Jan 31, 2001
(don't know what available means??  for fee??)

Product no 84H1426  and 84H1429 (upgrade)

Would be interesting to know what fixpacks are installed (and if ALL of
those fixpacks are installed, not just y2k)

Only mistake I see is I would have thought they would have called it
"OS/2 Warp Version 4.0 SE"   :-)   although maybe with no SE it works
out of the box.

Ron

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             07-Oct-99 14:30:26
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:04
Subj: Re: FP 12 and PM Shell won't start

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> 
> I applied FP12 last night (Using corrective service utility v1.41), and went
> out. When I got back, it told me to hit C-A-D to re-boot (so I went back to
the
> WPS and shut down).
> 
> When it re-booted, I got a trap 0008 on SINGLEQ$. I've seen a trap after
> applying previous fixpacks, so I just booted to command-prompt, rem'ed the
> VW32S.SYS line, and booted again. This time, the PM Shell started to come
> up, but I got a message something like "OS00032: Message not found in ... ",
> then another error from PCS C-A-D Commander that it couldn't start the
> keyboard manager, then another error from OS/2, then it stopped booting.
> 
> I once again booted to a command-prompt and replaced the updated KBDBASE.SYS
> with the one supplied with C-A-D Commander, but that only resulted in one
> less error message when I boot. I'm still getting the error about the
message
> not found.
> 
> Anyone else have similar problems?
> 
> Can anyone tell me how I can back out of this fixpack (back to FP11) from
> the command-prompt?

Boot from the fixtool disk.



> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> --
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: cfrank@rumms.uni-mannheim.de                      07-Oct-99 21:42:16
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:04
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: cfrank@rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Carsten Frank)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:33:05, J.Scholtysik@t-online.de (Joachim 
Scholtysik) wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:13:43, WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> > Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> > unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> > i have worked with all BIOS features )
> > 
> 
> Hi Wolfgang,
> 
> ich benutze ein Biostar M7MKA Board fuer den Athlon und ich mu sagen,
> es laeuft super bei mir. Ich hatte am Anfang auch Schwierigkeiten mit 
> dem Speicher, bis ich herausgefunden habe, dass das Biostar Board 
> nicht mit meinem 256 MB Speichermodul (LG Electronics) 
> zusammengearbeitet hat. Ich habe es gegen drei 64 MB Module von 
> Siemens ausgetauscht und auch zur Vorsicht das BIOS (Stand 10.09.1999)
> geupdatet. Nun laeuft alles einwandfrei.
> 
> Tschuess.
> 
> 
> Joachim
> 
> J.Scholtysik@t-online.de

Hast du auch verifiziert, da OS/2 den ganzen Speicher nutzt. 

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From: gj@NOSPAM.ucdavis.edu                             07-Oct-99 14:53:07
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 20:07:04
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "G. J. Mattey" <gj@NOSPAM.ucdavis.edu>

"David T. Johnson" wrote:

> Peter Jespersen wrote:
> >
> > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > >
> > > The MSI-6167 Athlon board uses an Award BIOS.  When you bootup, press
> > > the DEL key and you will enter the BIOS setup menu.  Select the BIOS
> > > features setup option on the first screen and you will get a new
> > > screen.  On the left side about 3 or 4 items from the bottom is an
> > > option to set OS/2 memory at >64MB enabled or disabled.  Set the memory
> > > at >64MB and after bootup OS/2 will see all 128 MB of memory.
> >
> > AFAIK this BIOS constraint only has influence on performance.
> > Warp 4 should be able to see/use all of the memory even without
> > this setting! I myself am using an AWARD BIOS, and the OS/2 (Warp
> > 4) does not care if the setting is enabled or disabled! Sounds
> > like
> > they have been messing around with the BIOS.
>
> You are right that OS/2 v4 (and v3) can access and use all of the
> installed memory up to 512 MB  but...only if it is detected by OS/2.
> The standard BIOS memory detection method only works up to 64 MB.  Over
> 64 MB, there are several different BIOS INT 15 installed RAM query
> methods implemented by the different BIOS versions and vendors.  The
> ones I have seen listed are
>
> INt 15h, AH=88h (reports max. of 16 to 64MB depending on system, works
> with everything)
>
> INT 15h, AX=801h (Used by Windows, reports > 64 MB RAM)
> INT 15h, AX=881h (Used by OS/2, reports > 64 MB RAM)
> INT 15h, AX=820h (Newer query, reports >64MB, supersedes 801h)
>
> The OS/2 memory>64MB BIOS setup option toggles the mapping of INT 15.  I
> have seen people claim that OS/2 v4 cleverly checks both AX code E801
> and E881 so that it always gets the max RAM and that therefore it did
> not matter if the setup option was set to enable or disable.  Depending
> on your BIOS/motherboard, this may be true and the 64MB OS/2 BIOS switch
> setting may have no effect.  But it is also possible that your BIOS does
> not use either of these older queries if the BIOS OS/2 switch is not set
> and the OS/2 detected RAM will then default to 64 MB.  Therefore, if
> your BIOS setup offers the ">64MB OS/2 DRAM option" (the MS-6167 BIOS
> words this a little differently) and you use OS/2 with more than 64MB of
> RAM, you should definitely assume that the BIOS vendor was considering
> OS/2 RAM > 64 MB queries and go ahead and enable the OS/2 mapping with
> the BIOS setup option.  If this still does not help, then there may be a
> problem with the physical memory or the BIOS may have a bug in the OS/2
> memory option feature.

My BIOS setup does not have this option (at least not that I can find).  All
the memory tests
I have tried show only 64mb, while 128mb is installed.  The swap file acts
like
it did on my old
computer with only 64mb.

I have an AMI BIOS with an Alladin 5 chipset suporting an AMI K2-6 processor.
The computer is
from Gateway 2000 and says on the outside "Designed for Microsoft Windows NT,
Windows 98."  Maybe part of the design is to disable the OS/2 RAM option.  The
BIOS idenfitication number is

52-0100-009999-00101111-071595-ALLADIN5-0AA0M021-K2KC-0

00AA0M021 is the latest BIOS update from Gateway.

Interestingly, AMI's web site motherboard identifier classifies this as an
evaluation
BIOS for a Taiwanese manufacturer.  The motherboard is made by Metrostar.

G. J. Mattey
UC Davis Philosohy Department

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From: abrahams@sparc.isl.net                            07-Oct-99 17:18:11
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 21:23:27
Subj: help

From: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <abrahams@sparc.isl.net>

After a rare OS/2 WARP 4 system crash, I have found that on my HPFS
drives, some of my files and directories date/time stamped got
updated to the date/time of the crash :-(

Using the detail view of the drives object, I see that the "last
write date" and "last write time" were the same as the "last access
date" and "last access time" (crash date/time), and naturally were
different from the "Creation date" and "Creation time"

How easy/hard/impossible would it be to write a REXX routine to
sequentially inspect every file on my HPFS drives, and reset a file
"last write date" and "last write time" to its file "Creation date"
and "Creation time", when/if it found the file "last write date" to
be the same as its "last access date"?

I am learning REXX, and this sounds like a neat utility, but I have
not the foggiest idea where those fields are maintained in a file,
and how to access/modify them :-(

TIA

...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
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From: pvolsted@image.dk                                 07-Oct-99 23:30:05
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: peter volsted <pvolsted@image.dk>

hi

> "Scott E. Garfinkle" wrote:
-----

> There ARE hidden VDM's for S3 and we beleive MATROX display adapters.
> Specifically, the GRADD versions of these driver (as I mentioned elsewhere).

-----

Just for completeness:
Running PS/2 -XGA2 -W4FP12 pstat shows pid=3xBox.

kind regards

peter

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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 07-Oct-99 23:58:17
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Re: Apology for Misinformation on OS/2

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Ron Vopicka wrote:
> 
> Some time back I indicated that OS/2 Warp 4 (client) was not in the IBM
> sales manual anymore.  I was apparently wrong.

I believe that Merlin actually was missing on the shelves a short
time!
Could be because of the new Y2K prepaired generation!

<snip>
 
> Would be interesting to know what fixpacks are installed (and if ALL of
> those fixpacks are installed, not just y2k)

Well my box (August), says Y2K ready!
But i seems like that either the fixlevel is not registrated in
the copy or they have only added the Y2K specific parts of the
FPs. Since LSS/2 insisted on, that the system was not prepared
for the install (FP5+).


-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 08-Oct-99 00:01:06
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Jim Backus wrote:

> > The System clock IS Y2K compliant. It shows (per your example)
> > 07-10-00 for the year 2000. It does not show 4 digits,
> 
> It _does_ seem like a big omission that OS/2 cannot display dates with
> 4 digits for years.  The international standard that is gradually
> gaining acceptance uses yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss as its date and time
> format.  I believe that this date format is standard in several
> countries including Sweden and China.

I heard something about, thet they did fix it in FP10! (FP11
should include the last WinOS2 Y2K fixes)
But you're right, now I see that it is not fixed....is it another
fix they have forgot to include thoug it exist ????

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: kaban@ix.netcom.com                               07-Oct-99 19:56:15
  To: All                                               07-Oct-99 21:23:28
Subj: Re: Different versions of Warp.

From: "N. Kaba" <kaban@ix.netcom.com>

Thanks for the reply. One system would be running Win95, the other two
will be running OS/2.

N.K.

Kim Cheung wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:54:36 -0400, N. Kaba wrote:
> 
> >Can somebody out there please enlighten me about the different flavors
> >of Warp. Specifically, at a flea market, I picked up a box that said
> >OS/2 WARP Server, Version 4; thinking it is Warp 4 but on doing some
> >reading in the manuals it appears to be Warp 3 with networking
> >capabilities. The questions are:
> >1. How is this version different from Warp Connect.
> 
> That's a server.    Warp Connect is a client with peer to peer connectivity.
> 
> 
> >2. Does this version offer any extra functionality (if that's the
> >difference) for networking 3 computers to warrant the upgrade from Warp
> >Connect.
> 
> 3 computers running all OS/2?   Windows?

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From: cvopicka@erols.com                                07-Oct-99 20:13:09
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: Apology for Misinformation on OS/2

From: Ron Vopicka <cvopicka@erols.com>

> Well my box (August), says Y2K ready!
> But i seems like that either the fixlevel is not registrated in
> the copy or they have only added the Y2K specific parts of the
> FPs. Since LSS/2 insisted on, that the system was not prepared
> for the install (FP5+).
> 

What is the date on IBM1S506 ?

Ron

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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              07-Oct-99 09:23:24
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

I have changed all Ram moduls but it all teh same, only 128mb RAM under OS/2.
I build 2 x 64 MB, 1 x 128 MB and 1 x 256 MB , all new RAM, under WINDOWS ok
OS/2 only 64MB!

Peter Jespersen schrieb:

> WolfgangHaas wrote:
> >
> > I would bye a new Motherboard for an AMD K7 Athlon 500.
> > Witch Board runs suggestfull under OS/2 Warp 4? The MSI Board donot work
> > unter OS/2., because Warp detect only 64 MB Ram. Installed 128 or more.(
> > i have worked with all BIOS features )
>
> My first thought is that you've got a sick memory module!
>
> --
>
> Live long and prosper...
> _________________________________________________________________
>  Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
>  flywheel@image.dk
>  http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
>  Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              07-Oct-99 19:12:18
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Stan Goodman wrote:
> Does
> anybody know of a utility that will enable me to make use of buttons #3 and
> #4?

Kensington's own driver works fine for me. I particularly like having a
single button which double clicks MB1 (I have a Thinking Mouse, the
mouse version of the Expert Mouse which is actually a trackball if I
remember correctly).

Graham.

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From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net                     07-Oct-99 20:11:03
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net

In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99 
   at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:

IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed. 
Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
capabilities.

Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.

Roland

>Trevor Hemsley <Trevor-Hemsley@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>>
>> The driver for an ESS 1869 soundcard. Use Alt+F1 to boot up to a command
>> prompt then use TEDIT to REM out the line that refers to it
>> (ESS1869.SYS?).

>I had to use the installation floppies to get a command prompt, the
>system was crashing before it got to the prompt when coming from the hard
>disk.

>Anyway, I REM'd the two lines with the offending string and the system
>boots. How do I get my sound card back? It's a no-name clone without
>manual...

>Incidentally, I discovered that when booting from floppies the third one
>seems "locked" in the drive. If I put another floppy in the drive after I
>get the command prompt, a DIR still gives me the beginning of the listing
>for the diskette that was removed, not the one in the drive.

>Even worse, the TEDIT on diskette 1 "cannot be run in an OS/2 session".
>There's something very screwy going on! (The one in \OS2 on the hard
>drive  worked fine.)

>Pierre, still worried, and still without Netscape.

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From: norrisg@linkline.com                              07-Oct-99 19:18:18
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@linkline.com>

Have you established that ANYTHING can see the RAM over 64MB? Do you
have another OS on the system like Linux, or that Win thingie? Or do you
have some system diagnostics you can run? I assume that the BIOS itself
actually reports 128MB when you boot?

It's possible this particular motherboard is defective and has a stuck
adddress line - there's only a one bit difference between 64M and 128M
when it comes to addressing it.

Graham.

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From: osric@apk.net                                     07-Oct-99 22:28:12
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: Kensington "Expert Mouse" trackballs

From: Tarquelne <osric@apk.net>

>I did. That's what I said, if you will look at my original query.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

_Very_ efficient.  
From your reaction, I can only assume that my interpretation was
better than I thought.
                                            Tarquelne
                                       <osric@apk.net>
        I know how God can make a rock so big He can't move it.
                                  ************************
Use the address above to reply - not the anti-spam "Reply-to" address
___________________________________________________________
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avoided this whole thing by not saying anything."
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From: mckinnis@ibm.net                                  07-Oct-99 22:30:05
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: help

From: Chuck McKinnis <mckinnis@ibm.net>

I suspect FP11.  Suggest you go to FP12.  However, go to
http://www.os2ss.com/users/mckinnis for further discussion, a work
around, and a little Rexx routine that will put things back after you
get rid of the offending HPFS stuff.

"Lionel C. Abrahams" wrote:
> 
> After a rare OS/2 WARP 4 system crash, I have found that on my HPFS
> drives, some of my files and directories date/time stamped got
> updated to the date/time of the crash :-(
> 
> Using the detail view of the drives object, I see that the "last
> write date" and "last write time" were the same as the "last access
> date" and "last access time" (crash date/time), and naturally were
> different from the "Creation date" and "Creation time"
> 
> How easy/hard/impossible would it be to write a REXX routine to
> sequentially inspect every file on my HPFS drives, and reset a file
> "last write date" and "last write time" to its file "Creation date"
> and "Creation time", when/if it found the file "last write date" to
> be the same as its "last access date"?
> 
> I am learning REXX, and this sounds like a neat utility, but I have
> not the foggiest idea where those fields are maintained in a file,
> and how to access/modify them :-(
> 
> TIA
> 
> ...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
>    using OS/2 WARP 4 + FP11
> 
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Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             08-Oct-99 05:32:10
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 04:17:06
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: jsjones@selectric.net

There *are* updates to the BIOS; the latest was released in the last day or
two:

	http://www.msi.com.tw/BBS/686BASE/6167/W667MS13.EXE

Obviously, MSI and Award are making fixes if people will REPORT the problems.

The install instructions (English) are at:

	http://www.msi.com.tw/technical/Bios/bios_inside.htm

I don't know if this update or the prior 2 fix the difficulties Wolfgang is
having. 
But, I do know they will never fix it if they don't hear about it.

In <37FCC882.A463742D@isomedia.com>, "David T. Johnson"
<djohnson@isomedia.com> writes:
>
>WolfgangHaas wrote:
>> 
>> NO in all newsgroups i write : this Option doesnt works on a Athlon MSI
Board.
>> By this Option i have only 24 MB Ram detect from OS/2.
>> Sorry ,now im a little gracy then all people write me: do this Option!!!!
>> the opptin  >64MB enabled doesnt goes of the MSI Board!!
>
>Sorry, I had not seen your other posts.  If the OS/2 switch does not
>work, then all we OS/2 users can do is wait for a bug fix from MSI or
>try another board.  Has anyone tried the FIC SD-11 board, yet, with
>OS/2?  It uses the AMI BIOS rather than the Award BIOS.

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  07-Oct-99 18:05:18
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 05:11:22
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Bill wrote:

> On 3 Oct 1999 18:49:50 GMT, pcguido@attglobal.net wrote:
>
> >In <37F67653.9344D6EE@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> >|Jim Stuyck wrote:
> >||
> >|| "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote:
> >||
> >|| > Frank McKenney wrote:
> >|| > >
> >|| > > In <37F4306B.4315DA13@adan.kingston.net>, "Mark L. Kahnt"
<kahnt@adan.kingston.net> writes:
> >|| > > >Frank McKenney wrote:
> >|| >
> >|| > [***SNIP!!!***]
> >|| >
> >|| > >
> >|| > > Well, now that you mention it...
> >|| > >
> >|| > > Back in the mid-70s a professor at Princeton developed a method for
> >|| > > reproducing semi-photograph-quality graphic output from a 1403 line
> >|| > > printer (for the younger readers, that's one of those heavy-duty
boxes
> >|| > > attached to an IBM mainframe that will, on occasion, suck up and
spit
> >|| > > out a full box of 14"-wide paper in seconds (;-)).
> >
> >Oh Yeah! Wasn't that a hoot to see & hear? When the little brushes that
> >read the carriage control tape would get too dirty... whoosh! If you
> >didn't have a stacker, the paper would stand up off the top of the
> >printer and go straight across the room.
> >
> >I was actually lucky enough to see this happen twice. Thanks for the
> >memory! :)
> >

Almost as fascinating as raising the acoustic hood and watching it
disgorge a whole box of fanfold while it's chain hammers accurately
rendered a very musical "Anchors Away" or "Rule Brittania" from the
deck of cards you had diligently spent hours punching just to amuse the
kids on IBM's Open Day!
"Ooo Daddy I didn't know those big 'fings could play music"?

> I prefer the stories from the card days of 2nd and 3rd shift
> operators lifting floor panels, looking for their beer stash,
> and dropping the panel on a fire sensor and dumping the halon.
> And being buried under a cards.

You mean just the most geriatric deaf Ops  persons that could'nt get to
the door in time within the 30sec exit delay?
Personally I preferred my lager cooled by taping it inside the lagging
on the CW intake on the Frame 15 CDU.......also  nice and safe for
keeping my floor tile "sucker" and EPO reset key that otherwise seemed
to get "borrowed"!  <g>

> Bill

 --
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: jr_fox@earthlink.net                              07-Oct-99 23:03:00
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 05:11:22
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net>

yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
> 
> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
> capabilities.
> 
> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.
> 
> Roland
> 

I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written, 
or I'm not reading it correctly): if this only applies to the
ESS based cards, how does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ?
I doubt that many are using ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4 
soundcards here (trying to line up the best one for Warp), and 
*none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying that FP-12 
breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't 
heard this assertion anywhere else.

<jf>

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From: horseman@ibm.net                                  07-Oct-99 18:04:09
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 05:11:22
Subj: Re: FP 12 and PM Shell won't start

From: Tony Wright <horseman@ibm.net>

Stewart Honsberger wrote:

> I applied FP12 last night (Using corrective service utility v1.41), and went
> out. When I got back, it told me to hit C-A-D to re-boot (so I went back to
the
> WPS and shut down).
>
> When it re-booted, I got a trap 0008 on SINGLEQ$. I've seen a trap after
> applying previous fixpacks, so I just booted to command-prompt, rem'ed the
> VW32S.SYS line, and booted again. This time, the PM Shell started to come
> up, but I got a message something like "OS00032: Message not found in ... ",
> then another error from PCS C-A-D Commander that it couldn't start the
> keyboard manager, then another error from OS/2, then it stopped booting.
>
> I once again booted to a command-prompt and replaced the updated KBDBASE.SYS
> with the one supplied with C-A-D Commander, but that only resulted in one
> less error message when I boot. I'm still getting the error about the
message
> not found.
>
> Anyone else have similar problems?
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can back out of this fixpack (back to FP11) from
> the command-prompt?

Presumably you did the obvious first?:
Backup config.sys and remove all references to C-A-D commander(inc path
statements), and reset to VGA before retrying?
You checked C-A-D Cdr hadn't overlayed any other DLL's or files other
than KBDBASE driver?
What relevant details on "errors" (if any) does servicing/install log
give?

Trap8's a "double protection fault" and SINGLEQ$ fault is typically in
video subsystem but undoubetdly you already knew that....
If you havn't got CSF kickers to backout  then you perhaps ought to
define more details on both your video chipset/drivers/bios etc and via
what method you actually applied service.

> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> blackdeath@13softhome.net  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: horseman@ibm.net

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: radu@rds.ro                                       08-Oct-99 11:11:04
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 05:11:22
Subj: Buying from eBay advice request

From: radu <radu@rds.ro>

Hello!

If I buy an OS/2 (v3, v4, server, whatever) from eBay, do I become a
licensed user for that copy?
The same question for VA CPP or other compilers.
I'd like to buy few of this in order to test my progs and to be able to
make 'em public with no problems (and for a small OS/2 museum, too :-).
Thanks!
radu

(PS. English mistakes are inherent, since I'm not a native English
speaker)


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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 08-Oct-99 10:09:06
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:23
Subj: Re: Apology for Misinformation on OS/2

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>


Ron Vopicka wrote:
> 
> > Well my box (August), says Y2K ready!
> > But i seems like that either the fixlevel is not registrated in
> > the copy or they have only added the Y2K specific parts of the
> > FPs. Since LSS/2 insisted on, that the system was not prepared
> > for the install (FP5+).
> >
> 
> What is the date on IBM1S506 ?

It is 26-08-1996

Haven't checked the date before now, I just automatically
(habbit) replaced it with the latest available at DDP.

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       08-Oct-99 11:17:18
  To: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               08-Oct-99 11:55:23
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

To: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>
From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

I was wrong about PSTAT not reporting them. It does, but as Scott said
in another message some of them are shown as 3xBox.

On my machine PID 1 and 20 are identified as 3xBox.
Pid 2 is identified as (kernel).

So I have

0001      0000       00      3xBox       01      0100     FFF05C3C  
Block
                                                 02      0200    
FFF6D067   Block
                                                 03      0200    
FFF41E39   Block
                                                 04      0300    
FFF01420   Block
                                                 05      0300    
FFF05ED0   Block
                                                 07      031E    
040012C6   Block
0002      0001       00      (kernel)    01      031F     0A28BBFC  
Block
0020      001F       FF0      3xBox     01      0300     FE27BEEC  
Block

According to Scotts message it should have been:

0001   (kernel)
0002   3xBox - due to IBM1S506 OR DANIS506

PID 0020 appears to be new after installing FP12. So I still don't know
what is causing it.

I do not use GRADD.

Henk

Irv Spalten wrote:
> 
> I have that feature enabled, and on my FP 11 machine, the last two are
> SYSINIT as well? I can't tie them back via PSTAT though to anything?
> 
> The only one I see 'odd' is :
> 
>  C:\OS2\CMD.EXE   004B       1C      C:\OS2\DLL\DOSCALL1.DLL*
>  C:\OS2\CMD.EXE   0049       1B      C:\OS2\DLL\DOSCALL1.DLL*
>  C:\TCPIP\BIN\REXECD.EXE   004E       1B      C:\MPTN\DLL\TNLS32.DLL
> 
> Is the 1C what you consider hidden? Nothing after it?
> 
> Looking at the PID's, I see :
> 
>  001C   EPWROUT
> C:\OS2\EPWROUT.EXE
>  001B   EPWDDR3
> C:\OS2\EPWDDR3.EXE
> 
> Irv
> 
> Henk kelder wrote:
> >
> > Irv Spalten wrote:
> > >
> > > Henk, as the risk of appearing 'stupid' here, let me ask :
> > >
> > > 1) How can I recreate this?
> >
> > Install FP12?. Okay, I should add that I've also tried the SDD beta 7 on
> > my machine.
> > First I thought the problem orignated from that because some of my
> > previous experiments with the GRADD drivers more or less had the same

> > result. All versions of GRADD never worked properly on my machine (a
> > Toshiba Satellite Pro 490XCDT), so I had to revert back to the Virge/MX
> > specific drivers. But after installing the original drivers I ended up
> > with  a CPU hogging VDM. Killing the VDM solved the CPU hogging, but the
> > problem came back after each reboot.
> > After searching the problem I found that it was caused by an appearant
> > incompatibilty between one of the DLL's  supplied with GRADD and my
> > video driver. (I think it was VCFGMRI.DLL) My driver only installed this
> > DLL if it was installing on WARP 3. By manually installing the DLL from
> > the S3 drivers the problem was solved.
> >
> > However in this situation I see the VDM being there, but the CPU problem
> > doesn't occur. Also, I've tried to determine which DLL as supplied with
> > the S3 Virge/MX drivers is installed with a newer version in OS2\DLL,
> > but I cannot find one. So my assumption was that FP12 caused the extra
> > VDM to appear. I just wanted confirmation that FP12 caused it to appear
> > and not something I did....
> >
> > I should add I use DANIS506.ADD. This one also creates an VDM. I had to
> > use this since the IBM1S506.ADD (at least in FP11) hangs my machine.
> > This problem seems related to the fact that on this machine (Toshiba
> > 490XCDT) I can no longer run certain DOS task such as TSETUP (the
> > toshiba's BIOS setup program) and I can also not run Win98's DOS in a
> > VMB, while on my previous machine (Toshiba 470CDT) I could run all these
> > programs....
> >
> > The thirth VDM is as far as I know created by created VPRPMI.SYS.
> >
> > > 2) How can I see the 'hidden' VDM (and your definition of it)?
> >
> > SET SCKILLFEATUREENABLED=YES and the warpcenter shows three SYSINIT
> > tasks. PROCS shows the same. PSTAT also shows these PIDs as SYSINIT, but
> > only if asking for information on the given PID.
> >
> > > 3) What video adapter do you have?
> >
> > A S3 Virge/MX M5.
> >
> > > 4) What is the level of your Video Driver?
> >
> > S3, Inc. M3/M5+, GX-LT Version 5.10.01 Built 26 Jun 1998, 6:41pm
> >
> > Syslevel reports:
> > M3/M5,M5+,GX-LT
> > Version 5.10     Component ID 562107701
> > Current CSD level: S351001
> > Prior   CSD level: S351001
> >
> > Henk Kelder

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From: nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl                       08-Oct-99 11:22:23
  To: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             08-Oct-99 11:55:23
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

To: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>
From: Henk kelder <nospam_hkelder@capgemini.nl>

Scott E. Garfinkle wrote:

>         3. At least most of the people who have a mysterious vdm later are
> using GRADD services.
>                 They use a VDM thread, too.

Scott,

Could it be that by installing SDD (which is based on GRADD) and
reverting back to the original Virge/MX M5 drivers a GRADD component
could still be in use that creates this (zombie?) VDM?
Like I stated in an earlier message I've had this problem before,
although it had more impact then. (Like 100 CPU - until I killed that
VDM, Now I cannot kill it)
I resolved the problem then, by reinstalling some DLL's from the S3
Video driver that normally were only installed on WARP 3 systems.

Henk

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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              08-Oct-99 08:21:28
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:23
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

Windows98 find 128MB

"Graham C. Norris" schrieb:

> Have you established that ANYTHING can see the RAM over 64MB? Do you
> have another OS on the system like Linux, or that Win thingie? Or do you
> have some system diagnostics you can run? I assume that the BIOS itself
> actually reports 128MB when you boot?
>
> It's possible this particular motherboard is defective and has a stuck
> adddress line - there's only a one bit difference between 64M and 128M
> when it comes to addressing it.
>
> Graham.

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From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr                            08-Oct-99 09:37:18
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:23
Subj: Re: Another IBM Poll...

From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher)

On 1 Oct 1999 19:35:28 GMT, e-frog <isaacl@grizzlies.ece.ubc.ca> wrote:
>This one is actually about notebook hard drives.
>But since they ask what OS you are using, go to it and let 'em know what
>you think!
>
>http://ssddom01.storage.ibm.com/hdd/hddsurvey.nsf/survey?OpenForm
>
>They'll probably come back with a note saying "Nobody uses OS/2. Please
>refrain from prank posts".

Well, after filling in the whole thing with neat, constructive prose, I
found myself unable to submit it, since the bloody form offers no text
based SUBMIT button (but a text based RESET button). Well, that's what
I'd call web design! I don't think I'll type my stuff again in
NutScraper.  Too bad there are so many amateurs out there. 

 Stefan


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=========================================================================
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From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com                            08-Oct-99 11:17:21
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:24
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:12:58, "Scott E. Garfinkle" 
<seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >There ARE hidden VDM's for S3 and we beleive MATROX display adapters.
> Specifically, the GRADD versions of these driver (as I mentioned elsewhere).
> Personally, I still
> strongly prefer the Matrox drivers from Matrox -- particularly the new
> version on Hobbes. But then, that's different discussion.
> 
For a data point, I run a Matrox (latest Matrox drivers), and if I 
understood your previous posting on 3xBox == kernal thread, kernal == 
3xBox (VDM).  I have no hidden VDMs running w/FP12.

Lee W. Riemenschneider 
Die Hard Purdue Fan!
OS/2 User and Supporter 

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From: WolfgangHaas@swol.de                              08-Oct-99 13:25:07
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:24
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de>

The BIOS is updatet. The problem is not OK i have only 64 MB under OS/2!

jsjones@selectric.net schrieb:

> There *are* updates to the BIOS; the latest was released in the last day or
two:
>
>         http://www.msi.com.tw/BBS/686BASE/6167/W667MS13.EXE
>
> Obviously, MSI and Award are making fixes if people will REPORT the
problems.
>
> The install instructions (English) are at:
>
>         http://www.msi.com.tw/technical/Bios/bios_inside.htm
>
> I don't know if this update or the prior 2 fix the difficulties Wolfgang is
having.
> But, I do know they will never fix it if they don't hear about it.
>
> In <37FCC882.A463742D@isomedia.com>, "David T. Johnson"
<djohnson@isomedia.com> writes:
> >
> >WolfgangHaas wrote:
> >>
> >> NO in all newsgroups i write : this Option doesnt works on a Athlon MSI
Board.
> >> By this Option i have only 24 MB Ram detect from OS/2.
> >> Sorry ,now im a little gracy then all people write me: do this Option!!!!
> >> the opptin  >64MB enabled doesnt goes of the MSI Board!!
> >
> >Sorry, I had not seen your other posts.  If the OS/2 switch does not
> >work, then all we OS/2 users can do is wait for a bug fix from MSI or
> >try another board.  Has anyone tried the FIC SD-11 board, yet, with
> >OS/2?  It uses the AMI BIOS rather than the Award BIOS.
>
> selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com                           08-Oct-99 07:53:04
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:24
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com>

On <vdCZ2p92dNiH-pn2-XrodDxGLCpzr@localhost>, on 10/07/99 at 08:48 PM,
   li_9_thop@plantlife73.com.na (Jim Backus) said:


> It _does_ seem like a big omission that OS/2 cannot display dates with 4
> digits for years.  The international standard that is gradually  gaining
> acceptance uses yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss as its date and time  format.  I
> believe that this date format is standard in several  countries
> including Sweden and China.

My clock on the WarpCenter taskbar shows the date as four digits. I had to
select that format in the OS/2 System, System Setup, Country settings. My
clock also displays time in 24 hour format which is set on another page in
the the same folder.

With the clock on the WarpCenter bar, I have no use for the System Clock
display on the desktop.

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---------------
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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 9
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: flywheel@image.dk                                 08-Oct-99 13:52:14
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:24
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> Scott E. Garfinkle wrote:
> 
> >         3. At least most of the people who have a mysterious vdm later are
> > using GRADD services.
> >                 They use a VDM thread, too.
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Could it be that by installing SDD (which is based on GRADD) and
> reverting back to the original Virge/MX M5 drivers a GRADD component
> could still be in use that creates this (zombie?) VDM?
> Like I stated in an earlier message I've had this problem before,
> although it had more impact then. (Like 100 CPU - until I killed that
> VDM, Now I cannot kill it)
> I resolved the problem then, by reinstalling some DLL's from the S3
> Video driver that normally were only installed on WARP 3 systems.

I do not use GRADD/SDD, I believe that last GRADD i tried was
0.077 on my old installation!
And I have only two VDM's (prior to FP12 I only had one)!

Yesterday I browsed through my os2 folder, and discovered a
gradd.sys there!
Has GRADD been secretly introduced via the FP's or has a time
vortex been messing around?

-- 

Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
 Peter Jespersen, Team OS/2 Denmark
 flywheel@image.dk
 http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
 Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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From: opencity@aol.com                                  08-Oct-99 14:03:07
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 11:55:24
Subj: OS/2 nominations sought for SharewareJunkies.com Awards

From: opencity@aol.com (Opencity)

Nominations for the year's best shareware programs are being sought for the
fourth annual SharewareJunkies.com Awards, to be presented on January 3, 2000
by the popular Internet site SharewareJunkies.com.  Net surfers are invited to
cast their votes at http://www.sharewarejunkies.com between now and December
15.

The 2000 SharewareJunkies.com Awards will consist of five categories: four are
specific to individual operating systems--Best Windows Program, Best Macintosh
Program, Best OS/2 Program, Best DOS Program--and the fifth celebrates the
Best
Freeware Program, which is open to a product running on any operating system
as
long as it is available at no cost.  The program which receives the highest
number of votes will be named Best Program of the Year.

Previous winners of the SharewareJunkies.com Award for Best Program have been
Hot Dog, the HTML authoring tool from Sausage Software, Download Butler, a
desktop utility from Lincoln Beach Software, and ClipMate, a utility for
enhancing the native clipboard functionality of the Windows operating system
from Thornsoft Development.

For more information, e-mail info@sharewarejunkies.com or visit
SharewareJunkies.com at http://www.sharewarejunkies.com.
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From: jsjones@selectric.net                             08-Oct-99 14:36:10
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: jsjones@selectric.net

I sympathize with your frustration, but no one in this newsgroup can solve
this 
problem. You need to report it to MSI and work with their technical support
team 
to get it fixed or get a refund and a recommendation from AMD on a motherboard 

that will work for you.

In <37FDE2AB.68B7F91B@swol.de>, WolfgangHaas <WolfgangHaas@swol.de> writes:
>The BIOS is updatet. The problem is not OK i have only 64 MB under OS/2!

selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: bvermo@powertech.no                               08-Oct-99 15:01:27
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <bvermo@powertech.no>

Jim Backus wrote:

>
> It _does_ seem like a big omission that OS/2 cannot display dates with
> 4 digits for years.

Mine has always displayed four digits, both dir, detail views and in other
places:
[G:\]date
Current date is: Fri  8.10.1999
Enter the new date: (dd.mm.yy)

Maybe your system is not configured to display 4-digit years?
Have you been into the System Setup folder to see what you have defined?

The desktop clock application (and other old Bonus Pack freebies)  is no
longer
supported. It is not part of OS/2 in any case, and it is always possible for a
lazy programmer to ignore system settings.


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             08-Oct-99 08:56:22
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: ATHLON Board

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

jsjones@selectric.net wrote:
> 
> There *are* updates to the BIOS; the latest was released in the last day or
two:
> 
>         http://www.msi.com.tw/BBS/686BASE/6167/W667MS13.EXE
> 
> Obviously, MSI and Award are making fixes if people will REPORT the
problems.

Yes, Award is probably unaware that enabling the OS/2 64MB BIOS switch
makes only 24 MB of memory available to OS/2.  If the switch is
disabled, there are 64MB available.  Obviously, the switch is changing
the mapping but is doing it incorrectly.  Award lists OS/2 as a
supported OS on their website at:

http://www.phoenix.com/platform/awardbios.html

I suggest that you contact MSI at their Taiwan website and report this
bug by email using the tech support address.  You can find the proper
email address at the bottom of the page at:

http://www.msi.com.tw/technical/technical_Inside.htm

This bug should be a simple thing for Award/MSI to fix.  






> 
> The install instructions (English) are at:
> 
>         http://www.msi.com.tw/technical/Bios/bios_inside.htm
> 
> I don't know if this update or the prior 2 fix the difficulties Wolfgang is
having.
> But, I do know they will never fix it if they don't hear about it.
> 
> In <37FCC882.A463742D@isomedia.com>, "David T. Johnson"
<djohnson@isomedia.com> writes:
> >
> >WolfgangHaas wrote:
> >>
> >> NO in all newsgroups i write : this Option doesnt works on a Athlon MSI
Board.
> >> By this Option i have only 24 MB Ram detect from OS/2.
> >> Sorry ,now im a little gracy then all people write me: do this Option!!!!
> >> the opptin  >64MB enabled doesnt goes of the MSI Board!!
> >
> >Sorry, I had not seen your other posts.  If the OS/2 switch does not
> >work, then all we OS/2 users can do is wait for a bug fix from MSI or
> >try another board.  Has anyone tried the FIC SD-11 board, yet, with
> >OS/2?  It uses the AMI BIOS rather than the Award BIOS.
> 
> selectric.net? think international business machines, instead.

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From: j-sivier@uiuc.edu                                 08-Oct-99 15:59:16
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: which CD-R for OS/2?

From: j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier )

   I'm interested in adding a rewritable CD drive to my system.  Which
one(s) are supported by OS/2?  Does anyone have any recommendations?

   Thanks for any information.

Jonathan

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             08-Oct-99 17:49:03
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: FP12:  A Piece Of Cake!

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <37FD5EE4.26B2@earthlink.net>, "J. R. Fox" <jr_fox@earthlink.net> writes:
>yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
>> 
>> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>> 
>> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.  You can't get
>> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.  Unless you
>> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are screwed.
>> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater sound chips
>> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.  They have no
>> plans to.  They have moved onto chips with higher margins and greater
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> Give IBM a big round of applause for finally killing OS/2.
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>
>I don't follow your logic here (or it is imprecisely written, 
>or I'm not reading it correctly): if this only applies to the
>ESS based cards, how does that account for 60 % of OS/2 users ?
>I doubt that many are using ESS.  At the moment, I've got 4 
>soundcards here (trying to line up the best one for Warp), and 
>*none* of them are ESS-based.  If you're saying that FP-12 
>breaks *any* installed soundcard -- and this turned out to be
>true -- that would indeed be serious.  But, to date, I haven't 
>heard this assertion anywhere else.
>
><jf>
>

Organized crime is working OS/2 and what's left of IBM over, 
of course.  So no, the logic doesn't follow.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: ispalten@us.ibm.com                               08-Oct-99 11:02:01
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: Irv Spalten <ispalten@us.ibm.com>

Fold, we've not got up Theseus3. It is quite similar to Watchcat and
other PID display programs. It has other surprises in it I've not been
able to get answers on, but it certainly is worth looking at.

Go to URL
http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixnews.html
for links and info.

Irv

Henk kelder wrote:
> 
> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
> 
> Anyone else seen this?
> 
> Henk
> --
> Remove nospam when replying..

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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               08-Oct-99 17:41:29
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu


I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time and
effor to 
this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
to Windows 2000.

Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete access
to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as you 
would
like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there are
for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to fear
there is
even a rexx for Linux.


If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is the
superior
choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying SusE
6.2
Linux that contains
                         ViaVoice for Linux
                         Java for Linux
                         DB2 for Linux
                         Most other useful programming languages invented
                         X Windows
                         Slick IDE's and debbugers
                         K
                         QT
                         Plug N Plag
                         PCI compatibility
                         Compatibility for large hard drives
                         Slick, superior window managers.
                         Internet capabilities to die for
                         Security to die for etc.

How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.

Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the books
away.
Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.

It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.

                            Open Source is the future
                            Linux is open source
                            Linux has a future

K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.

Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
really counts.

Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.

Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
Future
                                                  

                         


                  

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From: esitea@inficad.com                                08-Oct-99 10:54:02
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: NTFS Disk

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

Simon,

I haven't tried this, but there is a vfat driver for OS2 to enable long
filename support when accessing Windows partitions at:

http://os2warp.dyndns.org/files/vfat_005.zip

Give it a try.

Ezra

Simon Hart wrote:

> I have a PC with a removable drive which is used to swap between Win NT 4
> and OS/2 Warp 4.
>
> It has a second drive which is used to transfer data between the two
> operating systems. This is a FAT drive. Unfotunately OS/2 only sees the
> short filenames on this drive.
>
> If I used NTFS on this drive would Warp be able to see it (and the long
> filenames). Is there anything I need to do to enable Warp to see this disk.
>
> TIA
>
> Simon Hart



--
Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the
most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep,
his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their
own conscience.

C. S. Lewis


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From: Bodhisattva@ctimail.com                           09-Oct-99 01:54:29
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: Orange <Bodhisattva@ctimail.com>

The primary partition contained NT Loader should be set active otherwise even
NT bootup the drives would be in mess.  NT Loader cannot bootup OS/2 but OS/2
Boot Manager.  That is you want to bootup OS/2 with NT Loader should installed
Boot Manager and boot it from NT.  This is my own experience, I have the same
OSes installed in my computer as you.

Osmo Vuorio wrote:

> In article <c1.01.2SNvY4$0AX@hamei.pacbell.net>, hamei@pacbell.net says...
> >
> >In <37f55957_4@news1.prserv.net>, fheitka@ibm.net writes:
> >
> >>I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
> >>OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
> >>NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
> >>letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
> >>arrange drive letters based on the startable
> >>or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?
>
> Let the NT itself to change the active partition to the
> bootmanager - and no more driver letter circulation.
> But before doing this, reset the active partition as
> it was before the bootmanager partition installation.
>
> >F: for some reason. (the reason is that NT is incredibly stupid)
> >"Disk Administrator" in will you to change drive letter designations.
>
> No need in this case.
>
> Osmo

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From: wellmet@attglobal.net                             08-Oct-99 17:42:06
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: Buying from eBay advice request

From: wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs)

In <37FDB52C.61DFE80A@rds.ro>, radu <radu@rds.ro> writes:
>
>If I buy an OS/2 (v3, v4, server, whatever) from eBay, do I become a
>licensed user for that copy?
>The same question for VA CPP or other compilers.

The software package has an ownership thing in it.  With IBM
software it's a 'Proof of Licence' card or serial number on a 
registration pamphlet.  It is quite clear. When you have that 
detail, you own that software, regardless of disks or 
manuals, and you are a 'licenced user'. When you buy an OS/2
whatever software on eBay, the package you get must contain
that ownership thing, otherwise you did not get an OS/2
software.

While registration is not as important as proof of 
ownership, if the registration card is new, if you like send 
it in. Then you are a 'registered licenced user'.

If the registration card has been sent in, send in a xerox 
with a letter explaining that you bought the software from so 
and so and now own it, and then you will be, again, the
'registered licenced user'.  Whatever you xerox to send in 
must demonstrate that you own the software.

For other software, the ownership thing varies.  Usually 
it's the first diskette or CDROM that proves ownership. 
There is an element of trust.  With one major software I know,
though, proof of ownership consists of a capability of walking 
into their local dealer's office and having him brighten up 
and say, 'HI Joe, how's your software running for you these
days...?', and disks and manuals don't mean anything. 

>I'd like to buy few of this in order to test my progs and to be able to
>make 'em public with no problems (and for a small OS/2 museum, too :-).


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: esitea@inficad.com                                08-Oct-99 11:02:12
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 15:24:09
Subj: Re: StarOffice 5.1 Download woes

From: Ezra Sitea <esitea@inficad.com>

Why don't you order it from Sun at:

http://www.sun.com/dot-com/staroffice.html

$10 + shipping isn't that bad.  Plus you get all versions on one CD.

Ezra


> Stan Irish wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know of an FTP site to download this product from?  Have made 6
attempts to http download from the Sun site - all
> > died part way through. At least with a good FTP tool, the transfer could
be "resumed".
>
>



--
Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the
most oppressive. It may be better to live under
robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's
cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some
point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us
without end for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience.

C. S. Lewis


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From: jonholland@eclipse.co.uk                          07-Oct-99 11:01:26
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Help: Outlook Express 5 - error in directdb.dll

From: "Jon" <jonholland@eclipse.co.uk>

This occurs when trying to access the deleted items folder or delete a mail
in outlook express 5.  Have removed (and hence created new) deleted
items.mbx and .idx but this hasn't help.  Anyone any ideas?

Not a problem I know how to solve..I have a customer who is
suffering...bless her.

--
Jon
Technical Support
Eclipse Networking
01392 202348


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             08-Oct-99 11:11:23
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:
> 
> I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
> vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
> new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time
and effor to
> this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
> and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
> interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
> to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
> to Windows 2000.
> 
> Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
> to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as
you would
> like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there
are
> for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
> most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
> to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to
fear there is
> even a rexx for Linux.
> 
> If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is the
superior
> choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying
SusE 6.2
> Linux that contains
>                          ViaVoice for Linux
>                          Java for Linux
>                          DB2 for Linux
>                          Most other useful programming languages invented
>                          X Windows
>                          Slick IDE's and debbugers
>                          K
>                          QT
>                          Plug N Plag
>                          PCI compatibility
>                          Compatibility for large hard drives
>                          Slick, superior window managers.
>                          Internet capabilities to die for
>                          Security to die for etc.
> 
> How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
> Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
> it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.
> 
> Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
> Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.


IBM is a very large company and would probably not notice if every SOHO
user packed up their OS/2.  The decision on whether to use OS/2 is a
personal one that should be based on what benefits there are for you
versus what effort and cost you are expending to gain those benefits.  



> 
> It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.
> 
>                             Open Source is the future
>                             Linux is open source
>                             Linux has a future
> 
> K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
> Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.
> 
> Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
> really counts.
> 
> Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.
> 
> Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
> Future
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    08-Oct-99 18:03:27
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

	Everything you say is true of course, that is for the future.  
Thing is, the future isn't here yet.  This is the present, and OS/2 does 
a good job on its own.
	One area that you kind of goofed on in the hardware part of your 
post is the one on scanners.  It's funny, funny because Linux's scanner 
supports stinks compared with OS/2's. ;-)
	With Linux, you have SANE...that's it.  With OS/2, we have SANE 
ported over, including two commercial products (STi and CFM) that provide 
OS/2 native scanning support for some scanners and also the advantage of 
Win-OS/2.  Some scanners using their Windows 3.1 software have been 
reported to work under OS/2 in this manner.  The success rate is not too 
high, though, but it is a route that an OS/2 user can go that a Linux 
user can not.
	VMWare is a truly nice thing to have, though, that I'd admit.

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From: williamd1@ibm.net                                 08-Oct-99 18:58:07
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: williamd1@ibm.net (williamd)

PMFJI, but would this also hold true for Warp 3 at fp 40?

Bill

__
williamd1@ibm.net


On 7 Oct 1999 19:48:04 GMT, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug
Bissett) wrote:

>The System clock IS Y2K compliant. It shows (per your example) 
>07-10-00 for the year 2000. It does not show 4 digits,

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From: possum@tree.branch                                08-Oct-99 18:53:29
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Buying from eBay advice request

From: possum@tree.branch (Mike Trettel)

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:11:08 +0200, radu <radu@rds.ro> wrote:
>Hello!
>
>If I buy an OS/2 (v3, v4, server, whatever) from eBay, do I become a
>licensed user for that copy?
>The same question for VA CPP or other compilers.
>I'd like to buy few of this in order to test my progs and to be able to
>make 'em public with no problems (and for a small OS/2 museum, too :-).
>Thanks!
>radu
>
>(PS. English mistakes are inherent, since I'm not a native English
>speaker)
>
>

If the software comes with the license then you are the legal owner, plain
and simple.  With IBM the license consists of a small printed manual,
approximately 5 inches by 7 inches, with the IBM logo on front.  Depending
upon the product the license may be multilingual or in a single language
only.  For example, my Warp 4 license is a booklet as described printed
up in the major European languages with English being the first choice.
Some software, such as OEM disks, have a differing arrangement, wherein
ownership of the media itself is the license.  Since almost all copies of
OS/2 that'll turn up on the used market are over the counter copies you
will need the license booklet to be legal.  Some companies have attempted
to define licenses that are "single sale" (i.e., non transferable)-MS is
the most infamous with regards to this although I'm sure they are not
alone.  If you ever read through one of the MS license agreements you will
be impressed by the assertion that you can't transfer the license
ever-it's couched in enough legal jargon as to be nearly indecipherable.
The legality of this has never been established in a court of law to my
knowledge, and in fact it would appear to be unenforceable.  My NT cd is
an OEM copy with such a license-I bought it second hand with the
registration # scribbled on a piece of paper from the original owner.
Since the PC it was originally installed on is no more one would think
that the original owner would be free to sell the software and license,
but apparently MS will assert otherwise.

This isn't meant to be a slam against MS-the legalities of software
licensing of second hand software is an interesting legal topic though! 

 -- 
===========
Mike Trettel    trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net

I don't buy from spammers.  No exceptions.  Fix the reply line to mail me.

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From: cahughes@cc.ysu.edu                               08-Oct-99 15:03:21
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Cameron <cahughes@cc.ysu.edu>


John Hong wrote:

>         Everything you say is true of course, that is for the future.
> Thing is, the future isn't here yet.  This is the present, and OS/2 does
> a good job on its own.
>         One area that you kind of goofed on in the hardware part of your
> post is the one on scanners.  It's funny, funny because Linux's scanner
> supports stinks compared with OS/2's. ;-)
>         With Linux, you have SANE...that's it.  With OS/2, we have SANE
> ported over, including two commercial products (STi and CFM) that provide
> OS/2 native scanning support for some scanners and also the advantage of
> Win-OS/2.  Some scanners using their Windows 3.1 software have been
> reported to work under OS/2 in this manner.  The success rate is not too
> high, though, but it is a route that an OS/2 user can go that a Linux
> user can not.
>         VMWare is a truly nice thing to have, though, that I'd admit.

  With respect to scanners  From a user's perspective you are correct.,
However from a programmer's perspective the scanner libraries available for
Linux/Unix dwarf  library availability under OS/2.  Again you are right with
respect to the present. My version of OS/2 is currently up and working but
every upgrade or hardware replacement gets tougher and costs more. Every year
with OS/2 you will make a few more compromises and rationalize a little more
about what new technology you don't really need.

OS/2 users have been victims of date rape.

The journey to Linux is not a nearly as painful as the constant slaps in the
face from IBM. Furthermore you really are better off.

                    If the goal is stability, availability of applications,
security,
                    support, access, control, flexibility, low cost and
staying power then
                    Linux is the only logical choice.

I wish it were possible but we cannot use OS/2 in a vaccum.  Even if OS/2
works today, hardware moves on and in some cases exponentially so.  OS/2 is
no longer the
wise and prudent choice that it once was.  It is no longer the 'superior
alternative'.




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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Oct-99 14:43:07
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Buying from eBay advice request

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

wellmet@attglobal.net  (Joe Kovacs) said:

>If the registration card has been sent in, send in a xerox 
>with a letter explaining that you bought the software from so 
>and so and now own it,

While you're at it you might as well include a letter asking why they haven't
acknowledged your registration.  That'll save a little time later.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: nospam@nospam.com                                 08-Oct-99 12:06:25
  To: j-sivier@uiuc.edu                                 08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: which CD-R for OS/2?

To: Jonathan Sivier <j-sivier@uiuc.edu>
From: John Mandeville <nospam@nospam.com>

Jonathan Sivier wrote:
> 
>    I'm interested in adding a rewritable CD drive to my system.  Which
> one(s) are supported by OS/2?  Does anyone have any recommendations?
> 
>    Thanks for any information.
> 

Check the RSJ web site http://www.rsj.de/ for their list of supported
drives.  I use a Teac R55S, but it is not rewritable.

--
John Mandeville
jemandy at earthlink dot net

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From: morgannalefey@my-deja.com                         08-Oct-99 19:34:19
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: Siobhan Perricone <morgannalefey@my-deja.com>

In article <7tlbmb$jkb$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
  jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) wrote:
> 	Everything you say is true of course, that is for the future.
> Thing is, the future isn't here yet.  This is the present

Hee hee hee, I just had to comment on this. :)

The future is ALWAYS not here.  It's ALWAYS the present. ;D

"But that's never been done before!"
"So you think nothing should be done?"
"On the contrary, many, many things should be done.  But nothing should
be done for the first time."
(paraphrased from "Yes, Prime Minister")

--
Siobhan Perricone
PC Technician
Alltel Information Services
(I only speak for myself, not for Alltel)


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: kim@haverblad.com                                 08-Oct-99 21:50:25
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Problem adding LPT2: to Warp 4 System!?

From: "Kim Haverblad" <kim@haverblad.com>

Added an another ISA-card with 2 extra printer ports. Currently now I'm only
using one of the extra, LPT2: using IRQ 9. Windoze for ones figured this one
out and works fine with the new extra port. But, OS2 won't find it. Have also
defined the ISA-card in bios and added the irq just in case.

Anyone that have some ideas?

//Kim


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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    08-Oct-99 19:55:08
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Siobhan Perricone (morgannalefey@my-deja.com) wrote:

: Hee hee hee, I just had to comment on this. :)

: The future is ALWAYS not here.  It's ALWAYS the present. ;D

	Of course.  Why put off buying something now when I am always 
waiting for something that is supposed to be *better*, *bigger*, etc.?

	A lot of computer users in general, not just OS/2 users, have 
been waiting on Linux to be more ready for their liking.  I've been 
waiting since 1998...how long will it take already?  It is a little 
unfair to make fun of Microsoft users almost when they wait and wait on 
their OS releases, because in the end we are *all* doing the same thing.  
Both waiting on something that still isn't here yet.  What I suggust is 
pretty much "f" it all.

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From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca                    08-Oct-99 20:08:03
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong)

Cameron (cahughes@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:

:   With respect to scanners  From a user's perspective you are correct.,
: However from a programmer's perspective the scanner libraries available for
: Linux/Unix dwarf  library availability under OS/2.

	But doesn't most of that work for OS/2 in the end anyways?  As 
long as SANE for *nix is being kept up to date, in all probability, so 
would the actual port for OS/2.

: Again you are right with respect to the present. My version of OS/2 is 
: currently up and working but every upgrade or hardware replacement gets 
: tougher and costs more. Every year with OS/2 you will make a few more 
: compromises and rationalize a little more about what new technology you 
: don't really need.

	In a way it is true, but IBM have been able to put in some decent 
work arounds to these kind of problems.  With video cards, they made 
GRADD which really is quite a cool idea.  As long as the video card has 
VESA compliancy, it will probably work witht the generic SVGA driver 
allowing at least higher resolutions then the 640x400 VGA, just don't go 
over 256 colors, the redraw gets unbearable (though I haven't used the 
SVGA GRADD on the latest version of GRADD yet).
	With printers, this is where OS/2 absolutely *kills* Linux.  Yes, 
kills Linux.  Not only do we already have native support for some 
WinPrinters (Lexmark and Epson supported models), but also thanks again 
to Win-OS/2, as long as any printer has Windows 3.1 support, it will 
work with the fullest of abillities under Win-OS/2 including 
WinPrinters.  I have yet come across any printer that doesn't work under 
OS/2 in this manner.  As well, Linux can not use specialty features for 
a printer such as a photo cartridge.  Under Win-OS/2, we can and get 
equal output as those users under Windows 95.  However it would mean 
that we would have to use a Windows 3.1 application in order to get this 
working, but it is something that OS/2 users can do that Linux users can 
not.
	OS/2 probably does have the edge in modem support as well seeing 
how we already have a Lucent WinModem chipset driver in beta.  Linux 
still has nothing for this yet.  The main area where OS/2 does lack in is 
sound card support, Linux really does have a big lead over any of the 
other alternative OS's thanks in part to OSS commercial drivers and the 
Aldus freeware project on the go.

: OS/2 users have been victims of date rape.

	No, we OS/2 users have made our bed and some of us are simply 
complaining about having to have to lie in it.

: The journey to Linux is not a nearly as painful as the constant slaps in the
: face from IBM. Furthermore you really are better off.

	Better off for who is really the only question.  Linux itself I 
never found that hard to install, but once installed...what do we do with it?
It's fun to learn and poke around with, but once its time to start some 
real work, it then becomes a pain in the ass when it doesn't do what you 
want it to do.

: I wish it were possible but we cannot use OS/2 in a vaccum.  Even if OS/2
: works today, hardware moves on and in some cases exponentially so.  OS/2 is
: no longer the wise and prudent choice that it once was.  It is no 
: longer the 'superior alternative'.

	Probably not in the overall scheme of things, but for some it 
still is.  Linux has quite a learning curve, regardless of KDE or GNOME.

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From: ned_snow@my-deja.com                              08-Oct-99 22:04:14
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: FP12: A Piece Of Cake!

From: ned_snow@my-deja.com

In article
<37fd372d$1$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$mr2ice@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net
>,
  yyyc186.illegaltospam@ibm.net wrote:
> In <7tc5ub$e8i$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/05/99
>    at 02:30 AM, rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) said:
>
> IBM kissed off over 60% of the OS/2 user base with FP 12.
You can't get
> your soundcard back and they have no intention of fixing it.
Unless you
> can read the chip numbers and find the manufacturer you are
screwed.
> Actually, you are still screwed.  ESS has moved on to greater
sound chips
> and hasn't updated the OS/2 driver for the 1869 since 1997.
>

This appears not to be the case. I am running Warp 4/FP12 with
an Eagle ESS1869 base card, and the sound is fine. When I
installed FP11 and got the expected trap, I found this driver
via a deja search of the OS/2 newsgroups. It can be obtained
here:

http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

( Thanks Duane! ).

The ESS drivers are the first thing on the page.




Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Oct-99 20:52:15
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: HELP.JAVA 1.1.8 will not start

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:48:23, elygre@c2i.net wrote:

> I have installed JAVA 1.1.8, but it will not start. No error messages 
> or anything.
> If I drag a sample object to NC, it displays a message saying: 
> "Starting JAVA" and a counter showing how many % is loaded. At about 
> 15 %, NC dies without a message.
> If I try to run the famous code "hello" (JAVA hello) in an os/2 
> window, nothing happens. The cursor just reappear ready for a new 
> command.
> If I double click the icon hello.java in the folder "hello" in SAMPLES
> an os/2-window is opened with the title "Compile Java code". An error 
> message without a number (identification) is displayed saying 
> something like "Unrecoverable error. Process stopped. Press a key when
> ready."
> 
> Any idea what to do?
> 

What happens, if you go to an OS/2 command line, and type: "JAVA 
-version" (no quotes, all on one line, and it must be lower case)? How
about "JAVA -fullversion"??

Waiting to hear...
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Oct-99 20:52:14
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: help

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:18:22, "Lionel C. Abrahams" 
<abrahams@sparc.isl.net> wrote:

> After a rare OS/2 WARP 4 system crash, I have found that on my HPFS
> drives, some of my files and directories date/time stamped got
> updated to the date/time of the crash :-(
> 
> Using the detail view of the drives object, I see that the "last
> write date" and "last write time" were the same as the "last access
> date" and "last access time" (crash date/time), and naturally were
> different from the "Creation date" and "Creation time"
> 
> How easy/hard/impossible would it be to write a REXX routine to
> sequentially inspect every file on my HPFS drives, and reset a file
> "last write date" and "last write time" to its file "Creation date"
> and "Creation time", when/if it found the file "last write date" to
> be the same as its "last access date"?
> 
> I am learning REXX, and this sounds like a neat utility, but I have
> not the foggiest idea where those fields are maintained in a file,
> and how to access/modify them :-(
> 
> TIA
> 
> ....Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
>    using OS/2 WARP 4 + FP11
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News
==----------
>    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!
> ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including  Dedicated  Binaries Servers
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As suggested elsewhere, you might be seeing a bug, introduced in FP11.
Go to FP12, or back out to your previous FP.

I don't know if it will help, but check out the REXX Tips an tricks 
(look for RXTT29.ZIP). There is a LOT of good stuff there.

Hope this helps...
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From: seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com                             08-Oct-99 13:38:19
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <seg@NOSPAM-us.ibm.com>

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:02:03 -0500, Irv Spalten wrote:

>> After installing FP12 I seem to have an additional (hidden) VDM.
>> Now I have a total of 3 hidden VDM's.
To alleviate confusion, I've made the following changes to PSTAT. These
changes will be in effect for FP13, FP43, and Aurora FP?:
	1. Internel kernel threads are now marked as (kernel)
	2. "minivdm" threads spawned by the internal int13 and int10 services
are marked as "SystmVDM".
	3. Regular dos/win apps are marked as "VDM".
I am not inviting suggestions for changes to this, please! You can get, for
the next couple of days, a copy of the changed pstat as
ftp://testcase.boulder.ibm.com/ps/fromibm/os2/pstat.zip.  Once it goes away,
please don't ask me for it again, though.
	thanks to all, scott


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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               08-Oct-99 16:43:16
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk> wrote:

>> Could it be that by installing SDD (which is based on GRADD) and
>> reverting back to the original Virge/MX M5 drivers a GRADD component
>> could still be in use that creates this (zombie?) VDM?
>> Like I stated in an earlier message I've had this problem before,
>> although it had more impact then. (Like 100 CPU - until I killed that
>> VDM, Now I cannot kill it)

Seen the post of Scott Grafinkle of 7 Oct. If you use IBM506S (and I think
he wanted to say IDE instead of SCSI only because I use DANI506S and 
have the same) you should at least one unkillable VDM pointing to PID2.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: News@The-Net-4U.com                               08-Oct-99 16:43:20
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: Additional VDM after FP12?

From: News@The-Net-4U.com (M.P. van Dobben de Bruijn)

> lwriemen@wcic.cioe.com (Lee Riemenschneider) wrote:
 
> For a data point, I run a Matrox (latest Matrox drivers), and if I 
> understood your previous posting on 3xBox == kernal thread, kernal == 
> 3xBox (VDM).  I have no hidden VDMs running w/FP12.

Are you SCSI only? I think Scotts post should be read SCSI only (or at
least no IDE-drivers) and non-GRADD means you can be without them.

Regards from Leeuwarden
Peter van Dobben de Bruijn
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From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca                          08-Oct-99 20:31:03
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: isaacl@sonics.ece.ubc.ca (e-frog)

Uh, yeah. IBM wouldn't really care if 100% of SOHO users dropped OS/2. We
already paid for it, and few of us are on subscriptions. Use it or not, it
doesn't affect OS/2's bottom line.

As for your other arguments, well, in my opinion, Linux is not ready for a
plain USER (i.e. not programmer) just yet. I've tried the latest Linux
with KDE and Gnome. (Give me a break! There have been several articles
from the Linux mag's and web sites which state that OS/2's WPS is still
something to aspire to. K desktop is NOT superior and not even close to
being equal). It is not even close to being ready. I'll jump ship to Linux
WHEN it is ready, but not before.

My OS/2 system runs fine RIGHT NOW. And any upgrades I anticipate in the
near future (scanner, CD-R, new video card, printer, etc) are not a
problem. Most of the major brands are still supported. Oooh, lessee, if I
pick up an Adaptec 2940, Epson scanner, Yamaha CD-R, Matrox G400, Lexmark
printer,  yup, that's really cheating myself out of premium equipment,
isn't it?

You've got to stop thinking from the perspective of a programmer. I _like_
being just a user. I don't have the time or skill to "keep my system
current" a la the Linux style. Fixpacks I can apply, (especially the RSU),
but don't as me to re-code and fix the bugs in the OS.



Isaac


cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:


: I am currently a OS/2 user, however in face IBM's position, many of the
hardware
: vendor's position things like Scanners, Hardrives, Graphic adapters, Zip
drives,
: new joystick types etc. I find it difficult to continue to invest my time
and effor to 
: this product.  Many of the users that  use OS/2 did so because it was the
smart
: and superior alternative to Windoze. They found rock solid reliability, a
fresh user
: interface and a power user's playground.  Well my friends the time has come
: to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
: to Windows 2000.

: Furthermore, there is no company to jerk you around.  You have complete
access
: to the source code of the operating system.  You can keep it as current as
you would
: like. As of 10/08/99  There are far more applications for Linux than there
are
: for OS/2 because of VMWARE (www.vmware.com)  Linux can run every NT
application,
: most Windows 3.1 application and most dos applications. The K desktop is
superior
: to Presentation Manager.  The linux shell's are superior to Rexx. Not to
fear there is
: even a rexx for Linux.


: If the OS/2 users really want to vote with their dollars, then Linux is the
superior
: choice. I am posting this message from OS/2 Warp.  However I am enjoying
SusE 6.2
: Linux that contains
:                          ViaVoice for Linux
:                          Java for Linux
:                          DB2 for Linux
:                          Most other useful programming languages invented
:                          X Windows
:                          Slick IDE's and debbugers
:                          K
:                          QT
:                          Plug N Plag
:                          PCI compatibility
:                          Compatibility for large hard drives
:                          Slick, superior window managers.
:                          Internet capabilities to die for
:                          Security to die for etc.

: How will OS/2 look in a 64 bit world? i.e. IA-64  how will it compare to
: Monterey or Linux?  If OS/2 were open source then we could upgrade it,
maintain
: it. However, that's not the case. IBM has dogged us for sound financial
reasons.

: Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2. Pack the software away, Pack the
books away.
: Purchase the latest version of some Linux distribution and never look back.

: It will be painful at first.  But will be the smartest move you ever make.

:                             Open Source is the future
:                             Linux is open source
:                             Linux has a future

: K is Corba Compliant.  K has multiple virtual desktops.  K is superior to
: Presentation Manager in every way that really counts.

: Linux console mode is superior to OS/2 console mode in every way that
: really counts.

: Most importantly you have complete control over your environment.

: Support Open Source.,  Support Linux.,  Take control over your
: Future
:                                                   

:                          


:                   

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Oct-99 20:52:13
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:48:38, li_9_thop@plantlife73.com.na (Jim Backus)
wrote:

> It _does_ seem like a big omission that OS/2 cannot display dates with
> 4 digits for years.  The international standard that is gradually 
> gaining acceptance uses yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss as its date and time 
> format.  I believe that this date format is standard in several 
> countries including Sweden and China.
>  

I think you are missing something. OS/2 CAN, and DOES, return the 
date, to the programs, in four digits.  The System clock (System 
Setup-> System clock), does not display the four digits, BUT, it IS 
Y2K compliant, because it does, properly, display "00" for the year, 
in the year 2000 (the assumption here is that most people know that 
"00" means "2000", and not "1900", in this specific case).

The symptom of a non-Y2K compliant program, is that it would display 
"1900" in place of "2000", and/or, it would not sort dates properly, 
and/or a lot of other things. The evolving international standard 
makes a lot of sense, but there is no point in going back to rewrite 
old programs, as long as they display the date properly (and "00" is 
considered to be correct for the year 2000, as long as there is no 
possibility of confusing it with 1900, or 2100, or...).

Hope this helps...
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     08-Oct-99 20:52:14
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: Full-Duplex Sound Card

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:22:23, l_luciano@da.mob (Stan Goodman) wrote:

> Is there a sound card that supports full-duplex operation under OS/2?
>  
> Failing this, what such cards can be installed under Win-OS/2?
>  
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>  
> 

I, personally, have had excellent luck with the AOpen (formerly Acer) 
cards (the AW35Pro, and the AW37, cards, specifically). They are 
supported by the generic Crystal OS/2 drivers (available from 
http://www.cirrus.com/drivers/audiodrv/). The Crystal drivers are 
acknowledged to be the "best" Os/2 sound drivers, and they do support 
"full duplex", within the parameters that OS/2 will allow (better than
anything else, that I know of). WinOS2 support works well, for me 
(although, I don't use it much).

Hope this helps...
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From: paul@crane.li-po.edu                              08-Oct-99 21:02:25
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: OS/2 Bootmanager and NT 4 problem

From: paul@crane.li-po.edu (Paul Lew)

The BUG has existed since 3.5.1 and still exists in 4.0 and
probably in nt5.  The disk mangler uses its own "partition
table" that it creates and NOT the hardware/normal partition
table other systems see.  The "mess" with the drive designations
only occurs in nt; the drives will be seen correctly in os/2
and linux; I've been thru the route before.

nt even messes the drives up when it is the ONLY os around;
had to re-install about 6-8 months ago.  ms will not
acknowledge the bug which executive software have come to
encounter fairly recently so I'm not the only one.

If ms won't acknowledge a bug, then gates can "comfortably"
say that there are few bugs in ms software; people just call
to "ask for help" and not saying that there is a bug.


On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:54:58 +0800, Orange <Bodhisattva@ctimail.com> wrote:
>The primary partition contained NT Loader should be set active otherwise even
>NT bootup the drives would be in mess.  NT Loader cannot bootup OS/2 but OS/2
>Boot Manager.  That is you want to bootup OS/2 with NT Loader should
installed
>Boot Manager and boot it from NT.  This is my own experience, I have the same
>OSes installed in my computer as you.
>
>Osmo Vuorio wrote:
>
>> In article <c1.01.2SNvY4$0AX@hamei.pacbell.net>, hamei@pacbell.net says...
>> >
>> >In <37f55957_4@news1.prserv.net>, fheitka@ibm.net writes:
>> >
>> >>I've installed NT 4 on my PC, which also has
>> >>OS/2, Linux, and Windows 95.  After I install
>> >>NT and enable bootmanger, and reboot, the drive
>> >>letters are messed up in NT.  I think NT must
>> >>arrange drive letters based on the startable
>> >>or active partition.  Anyway around this problem?
>>
>> Let the NT itself to change the active partition to the
>> bootmanager - and no more driver letter circulation.
>> But before doing this, reset the active partition as
>> it was before the bootmanager partition installation.
>>
>> >F: for some reason. (the reason is that NT is incredibly stupid)
>> >"Disk Administrator" in will you to change drive letter designations.
>>
>> No need in this case.
>>
>> Osmo
>

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From: fat_ox@hotmail.com                                09-Oct-99 01:00:09
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 19:57:08
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: "OS/2 Fan" <fat_ox@hotmail.com>

On 8 Oct 1999 17:41:58 GMT, cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:
Well my friends the time has come
>to jump ship. Linux with KDE is a smart and superior alternative to OS/2 and
>to Windows 2000.

Linux has a way to go but it's promising.  You state it's superior
yet offer no data, just an opinion, which is respected but only as
good as any other.  Nothing beats the WPS.  
Regards,
Xtralarge OS/2 fan
	
Opinions expressed are mine only.  Ignore them and
killfile me.  Leave the University and/or my ISP alone, 
I don't speak for them, they have nothing to do with it, 
and they probably have more lawyers than you anyway.  


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Oct-99 18:23:21
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Win32

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

What is Win32 as applied to OS/2?  I've seen some talk about it in NGs, and
asked what it is, but got no answer so far.  Is it something that makes Win 9x
software run on OS/2?  If so, how much brainpower does it take to set it up?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
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From: piquant00@uswestmail.net                          08-Oct-99 22:30:16
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: piquant00@uswestmail.net (Annie K.)

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:41:58, cahughes@cc.ysu.edu wrote:

:Our revenge is to quietly remove OS/2.

 How is doing exactly what IBM would have us do "revenge"?

-- 
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bell...               08-Oct-99 22:54:29
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Re: Win32

Message sender: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net

From: rodsmith@adsl-151-203-46-57.bellatlantic.net (Rod Smith)

[Posted and mailed]

In article <37fe6f84$1$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
	lifedata@xxvol.com writes:
> What is Win32 as applied to OS/2?  I've seen some talk about it in NGs, and
> asked what it is, but got no answer so far.  Is it something that makes Win
9x
> software run on OS/2?  If so, how much brainpower does it take to set it up?

Win32 is the name of Microsoft's API (application programming interface)
for 32-bit versions of Windows, such as Windows 95, Windows 98, and
Windows NT.

OS/2 4.0 includes a DLL that includes support for many, but not all, of
the Win32 APIs, but implemented in OS/2's PM GUI.  In theory, this was
supposed to make it easier for developers to port Windows programs to
OS/2.  It may have done so, I really don't know, but it's certainly not a
matter of just recompiling a program, even with that support.

There's also a project, known as Odin, to produce a means of converting
existing Win32 programs into OS/2 executables.  This project was formerly
known as Win32-OS/2, and it's located at http://www.os2ss.com/win32-os2/. 
The idea is that you take an existing Windows binary (MS Word, Solitaire,
whatever) and run it through a converter and get an OS/2 binary as output.

-- 
Rod Smith       smithrod@bellatlantic.net
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Oct-99 19:05:14
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

"David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com> said:

>IBM is a very large company and would probably not notice if every SOHO user
>packed up their OS/2.

A couple years ago I told some suit at IBM about a major DOS BASIC Language
Compiler company that wanted to port their EXTREMELY POWERFUL compiler to
OS/2,
but they weren't getting any cooperation from IBM.  In spite of this they were
running their entire system on OS/2 - BBS, Web server, etc.)  He wouldn't even
bother to call the author.  Now they've gone to Windows.  Just because IBM
doesn't give a ____.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: elygre@c2i.net                                    08-Oct-99 23:14:27
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Re: HELP.JAVA 1.1.8 will not start

From: elygre@c2i.net

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:52:31, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug 
Bissett) wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:48:23, elygre@c2i.net wrote:
> 
> > I have installed JAVA 1.1.8, but it will not start. No error messages 
> > or anything.
> > If I drag a sample object to NC, it displays a message saying: 
> > "Starting JAVA" and a counter showing how many % is loaded. At about 
> > 15 %, NC dies without a message.
> > If I try to run the famous code "hello" (JAVA hello) in an os/2 
> > window, nothing happens. The cursor just reappear ready for a new 
> > command.
> > If I double click the icon hello.java in the folder "hello" in SAMPLES
> > an os/2-window is opened with the title "Compile Java code". An error 
> > message without a number (identification) is displayed saying 
> > something like "Unrecoverable error. Process stopped. Press a key when
> > ready."
> > 
> > Any idea what to do?
> > 
> 
> What happens, if you go to an OS/2 command line, and type: "JAVA 
> -version" (no quotes, all on one line, and it must be lower case)? How
> about "JAVA -fullversion"??
> 
> Waiting to hear...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

After "JAVA -version" it displays : JAVA.EXE version "1.1.8"
After "JAVA -fullversion" I get a system error message:
SYS2070
The system could not load the applications segment.
JAVAI --> JAVAR._strodieee is wrong (in error).
For more info. HELP 127

My translation.


Einar Lygre

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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Oct-99 19:11:15
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Re: 4-digit year in System Clock?

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>I think you are missing something. OS/2 CAN, and DOES, return the  date, to
the
>programs, in four digits.

I note, as a curiosity, that in OS/2 System>System Setup>System CLock
Properties>Year you don't see 2000, you dont see 00 - you see 0.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: lifedata@xxvol.com                                08-Oct-99 19:17:06
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: Re: The Revenge of OS/2 users

From: lifedata@xxvol.com

jdc0014@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (John Hong) said:

>It is a little unfair to make fun of Microsoft users almost 
when they wait and wait on  their OS releases,

If I made fun it would be because they think Gates is God.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: dfitz@kmrmail.kmr.ll.mit.edu                      09-Oct-99 11:03:23
  To: All                                               08-Oct-99 21:25:14
Subj: O'Hanlon

From: Dina Fitzpatrick <dfitz@kmrmail.kmr.ll.mit.edu>

Is anyone familiar with O'Hanlon database programming language as it
relates to Novell and a Y2K problem?
dfitz@kmrmail.kmr.ll.mit.edu

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