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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Nov-99 10:20:07
  To: All                                               15-Nov-99 20:08:22
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <ebynaqcvapurfcznvyarg.fl90xf1.pminews@news.force9.net>,
"Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> wrote:
>I have decided that this drive, Yamaha 4416S, doesn't work with WSeB. It
>worked fine with Warp 4.0 but I cannot get past loading the Adaptec driver
>when I have my CDRW powered on (it's an external model). Under Warp 4.0 this
>wasn't a problem :-(    Of course it could be the Adaptec SCSI that is the
>problem....
>

Roland,

I've had my share of nits with Wseb. What I would suggest trying is copying
the scsi driver(s) from the 4.0 box to the Wseb box and reboot. Uhh... make
a backup first... :')

Over here, the Wseb supplied drivers for our bus mice and com.sys simply
refuse
to work. Also, we've noticed some really weird characters being displayed
where
time, date and other information should be displayed. It's such an annoyance,
I took the Wseb box offline and replaced it with old-but-true Lanserver 4.0.

Lanserver works... and works... and works...

In Wseb for instance, clicking open netscape on Wseb, going to page setup and
looking
at the margin settings... instead of seeing numbers, garbage is displayed and
once you open page setup, your netscape printing support is destroyed... It's
not a netscape specific problem as this "bug" is sprinkled all though Wseb.

Some days Wseb is perfect, some days all it wants to display is trash and it's
total hell.


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From: mcbrides@erols.com                                15-Nov-99 10:15:26
  To: All                                               15-Nov-99 20:08:22
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: mcbrides@erols.com (Jerry McBride)

In article <382f7ba2$2$ureafzbqrfgvy$mr2ice@news5.bellatlantic.net>,
hernsmodestil@technologist.com wrote:
>Does anyone Have any experience (good/bad/neither) with these Yamaha
>models under OS/2?
>
>YCRW4416S 4X4X16 SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive
>YCRW6416S 6X4X16 SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive
>

I have one 4416S on my personal OS/2 machine client and one 4416S on a Wseb
server.

They both run flawlessly, burning both CDR and CDRW via CDRECORD. IMHO the
6416
just isn't worth the extra bucks. You be better off buying the 4416 and
spending the difference that a 6416 costs on extra media...

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From: Roland.Pinches@pmail.net                          15-Nov-99 15:25:12
  To: All                                               15-Nov-99 20:08:23
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net>

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:37:06 GMT, Lorne Sunley wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:08:03, "Roland Pinches" 
><Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> wrote:
>
>> I have decided that this drive, Yamaha 4416S, doesn't work with WSeB. It
>> worked fine with Warp 4.0 but I cannot get past loading the Adaptec driver
>> when I have my CDRW powered on (it's an external model). Under Warp 4.0
this
>> wasn't a problem :-(    Of course it could be the Adaptec SCSI that is the
>> problem....
>> 
>Have you tried using the Adaptec driver you are using under
>Warp 4. WSeB has one the later versions of the Adaptec
>drivers that appear to cause annoying problems with some
>of the SCSI cards.
>
>Lorne Sunley
>
The driver I am using is the same as under Warp 4.0. I have tried previous
versions and all exhibit the same problem. This is the driver I'm using
currently (taken from a directory listing):

21-01-99  11:48a    138380         219  AIC78U2.ADD

This is version 3.02 of the driver as downloaded from the ASUS site, since it
is an Asus motherboard. It is the same as the driver that can be downloaded
from the Adaptec site too.

Not sure if I've tried the driver that comes with WSeB since I upgraded my
machine from Warp 4 to WSeB, rather than doing a fresh install. I'll check
this out...


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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               15-Nov-99 09:34:16
  To: All                                               15-Nov-99 20:08:23
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

In article <382f7ba2$2$ureafzbqrfgvy$mr2ice@news5.bellatlantic.net>,
  hernsmodestil@technologist.com wrote:
> Does anyone Have any experience (good/bad/neither) with these Yamaha
> models under OS/2?

> YCRW4416S 4X4X16 SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive
> YCRW6416S 6X4X16 SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive

> e-mail replies are greatly appreciated.

Hi

I have a 6416s, and a Tekram DC390U2W. I haven't had the drive long
enough yet to test it thoroughly, I haven't tried at all to record
anything with either Linux or Solaris.

It comes with Adaptec recording software for Win32, which seems to work
OK. It also comes with jumpers and a single connection SCSI cable
(SCSI-2, 10Mbyte/sec).

On OS/2, the software choice seems to be either RSJ ($$$) or
cdrecord/mkisofs. The latter seems to work. However, to date I haven't
succeeded in creating a multisession disk that OS/2 can read other than
the 1st session. Perhaps this is a limitation of the decrepit cdfs.ifs.

I haven't yet tried the demo version of RSJ.

Regards
Paul


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From: Roland.Pinches@pmail.net                          15-Nov-99 22:10:16
  To: All                                               15-Nov-99 20:08:23
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net>

Jerry,

In another posting, Eric Olson suggested that I flash the firmware on my
CDRW. Once I finally found the update files on the Yamaha web site (I must be
going blind!), I downloaded the latest flash and then set about building a
DOS boot disk with SCSI support. This is turning out to be a painfull
experience (I haven't used DOS for a *long* time) as I don't have any FAT
partitions on my system, so I'm trying to build everything onto a diskette. I
hate DOS...

Hopefully the firmware update will fix the problem as it specifically
addresses problems with identifying the CDRW at boot time. I hope it is all
worth it....

I have already tried the driver from Warp 4.0 and it hasn't made any
difference.

As for other problems with WSeB, I've not had too many. Java isn't too good
in Netscape 4.61 and the SMP performance didn't make as much difference as
I'd hoped for in the upgrade from Warp 4.0 (1 x 400MHz PII) to WSeB (2 x
400MHz PII), but generally it is exceptionally stable and does everything I
want. There are problems but I'm getting around them, however painfull :-)

Thanks,
Roly.


On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:20:15 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:

>In article <ebynaqcvapurfcznvyarg.fl90xf1.pminews@news.force9.net>,
>"Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> wrote:
>>I have decided that this drive, Yamaha 4416S, doesn't work with WSeB. It
>>worked fine with Warp 4.0 but I cannot get past loading the Adaptec driver
>>when I have my CDRW powered on (it's an external model). Under Warp 4.0 this
>>wasn't a problem :-(    Of course it could be the Adaptec SCSI that is the
>>problem....
>>
>
>Roland,
>
>I've had my share of nits with Wseb. What I would suggest trying is copying
>the scsi driver(s) from the 4.0 box to the Wseb box and reboot. Uhh... make
>a backup first... :')
>
>Over here, the Wseb supplied drivers for our bus mice and com.sys simply
refuse
>to work. Also, we've noticed some really weird characters being displayed
where
>time, date and other information should be displayed. It's such an annoyance,
>I took the Wseb box offline and replaced it with old-but-true Lanserver 4.0.
>
>Lanserver works... and works... and works...
>
>In Wseb for instance, clicking open netscape on Wseb, going to page setup and 
looking
>at the margin settings... instead of seeing numbers, garbage is displayed and
>once you open page setup, your netscape printing support is destroyed... It's
>not a netscape specific problem as this "bug" is sprinkled all though Wseb.
>
>Some days Wseb is perfect, some days all it wants to display is trash and
it's
>total hell.
>
>
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From: hernsmodestil@technologist.com                    16-Nov-99 04:54:25
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 05:11:17
Subj: IDE Hard Drive upgrade. Please help.

From: hernsmodestil@technologist.com

Does anyone Have any experience with the most recent high capacity IDE
hard drives under OS/2? 

I'd like to replace my current 6GB with something in the 20GB to 37GB
range.

I am inclined to buy the WD Caviar models, past experiences has been very
good. But all sugestions are welcome.

e-mail replies are greatly appreciated.
 
TIA
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From: hernsmodestil@technologist.com                    16-Nov-99 04:46:01
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 05:11:17
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: hernsmodestil@technologist.com

In <382f7ba2$2$ureafzbqrfgvy$mr2ice@news5.bellatlantic.net>, on 11/15/99 
   at 03:23 AM, hernsmodestil@technologist.com said:

>Does anyone Have any experience (good/bad/neither) with these Yamaha
>models under OS/2? 

>YCRW4416S 4X4X16 SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive
>YCRW6416S 6X4X16 SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive

>e-mail replies are greatly appreciated.
> 
>TIA


Thank You everyone for your responses, your help is greatly appreciated. I
will order the YCRW6416S it's only five dollars more.
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From: cocke@catherders.com                              16-Nov-99 07:23:22
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 10:39:07
Subj: Re: IDE Hard Drive upgrade. Please help.

From: Michael W. Cocke <cocke@catherders.com>

I have a WD 20 Gb sitting in a box right now - no luck getting it to 
work under Warp 4 or WSeB.  To be fair, however, haven't had much time 
for it lately.  I heard that either the danis506.add or the newest 
(possibly not yet released) IBM1S506.add driver is required.


On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:54:50 GMT, hernsmodestil@technologist.com wrote:

>
>Does anyone Have any experience with the most recent high capacity IDE
>hard drives under OS/2? 
>
>I'd like to replace my current 6GB with something in the 20GB to 37GB
>range.
>
>I am inclined to buy the WD Caviar models, past experiences has been very
>good. But all sugestions are welcome.
>
>e-mail replies are greatly appreciated.
> 
>TIA
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From: zayne@omen.com.au                                 16-Nov-99 12:42:01
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 10:39:07
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: zayne@omen.com.au (Mooo)

"Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> wrote:

>I have decided that this drive, Yamaha 4416S, doesn't work with WSeB. It
>worked fine with Warp 4.0 but I cannot get past loading the Adaptec driver
>when I have my CDRW powered on (it's an external model). Under Warp 4.0 this
>wasn't a problem :-(    Of course it could be the Adaptec SCSI that is the
>problem....

Got one of these SCSI drives running under WSeB on an Adaptec 1542 no
problems so far.


Craig

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From: kahnt@adan.kingston.net                           16-Nov-99 13:31:07
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 20:09:23
Subj: Re: IDE Hard Drive upgrade. Please help.

From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@adan.kingston.net>

hernsmodestil@technologist.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone Have any experience with the most recent high capacity IDE
> hard drives under OS/2?
> 
> I'd like to replace my current 6GB with something in the 20GB to 37GB
> range.
> 
> I am inclined to buy the WD Caviar models, past experiences has been very
> good. But all sugestions are welcome.
> 
> e-mail replies are greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA
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Another wander down memory lanes - I remember when 16 of us made use of
a machine with 100 MB total disk space and 2 MB RAM to develop and
compile half a dozen different interpreters and the equivalent compiler
versions (where applicable - there can't really be an APL compiler) -
1983 at Watcom (back then it was WatCom). I remember running PCs with
128 KB and floppies...

I recently worked with a large life insurance company that lives on its
database, and the data for the entire mainframe, plus application code,
and source for those applications, lived on 22 GB (but mainframes don't
need anywhere near as much code to implement GUIs). Not that I'd try to
run the same setup off a PC, mind you ;) - it probably couldn't handle
500 simultaneous active users.

It all goes back to the difference in uses - I make use of background
wallpaper in Jpeg format (1024x768 Truecolour) that is still larger than
any of the executables we were producing at Watcom. I did a quick
"Hello, World!" program in a few different compilers recently, using
only standard linkages and runtime libraries, and the resulting code was
larger than many of the interpreter executables we were writing at
Watcom (except for gcc under Linux, which knew to use the libraries). In
my day, these large executables were known as sloppy coding and memory
planning.
-- 

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From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx                 17-Nov-99 00:39:25
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 21:31:09
Subj: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson)

i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be 
appreciated. 

thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             16-Nov-99 08:39:12
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 00:49:20
Subj: Re: IDE Hard Drive upgrade. Please help.

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


hernsmodestil@technologist.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone Have any experience with the most recent high capacity IDE
> hard drives under OS/2?
> 
> I'd like to replace my current 6GB with something in the 20GB to 37GB
> range.

I just installed a 13.5 GB IBM 7200 rpm drive without a problem.  It
installs just like a 130 MB drive, just a larger partition(s) :).  I
used the DANIS506.ADD driver rather than the IBM1S506.ADD driver but the
need for this is a function of the controller chipset (AMD Irongate/VIA)
in my case rather than the disk drive.  

> 
> I am inclined to buy the WD Caviar models, past experiences has been very
> good. But all sugestions are welcome.
> 
> e-mail replies are greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA
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From: Roland.Pinches@pmail.net                          16-Nov-99 16:46:10
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 00:49:20
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net>

The problem with my Yamaha CDRW4416S was the firmware level. Once it had been
bought up to the latest level, WSeB recognised it with no problems at all.

In case anyone else is thinking about going through the same process, I have
one piece of advice: the flash update/utility that is downloaded from Yamaha
is a WINZIP self extracting executable. It will require a flavour of Windows
to extract it. This is a bit odd since it is labelled as the DOS download
suitable, allegedly, for Unix and other OS's. If I didn't have a copy of
WinNT 4 on another machine I wouldn't have been able to extract the files.
So, that makes sense then...

The only other problems I had were self inflicted ie: trying to create a DOS
boot diskette with SCSI support for an Adaptec 2940 controller when I
actually have an Adaptec 7890 Ultra2 SCSI embeded controller! DOH!

Thanks to everyone that gave me suggestions on this.

Roly.

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:42:02 GMT, Mooo wrote:

>"Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> wrote:
>
>>I have decided that this drive, Yamaha 4416S, doesn't work with WSeB. It
>>worked fine with Warp 4.0 but I cannot get past loading the Adaptec driver
>>when I have my CDRW powered on (it's an external model). Under Warp 4.0 this
>>wasn't a problem :-(    Of course it could be the Adaptec SCSI that is the
>>problem....
>
>Got one of these SCSI drives running under WSeB on an Adaptec 1542 no
>problems so far.
>
>
>Craig



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From: rhinton@mediaone.net                              16-Nov-99 20:10:04
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:14
Subj: Lock up after awhile...

From: "Richard N. Hinton" <rhinton@mediaone.net>

Ever since upgrading my main chip to a AMD 450 mHz chip, I notice that
when I leave
OS2/V4/fp11 alone for a half an hour or more, it tends to lock up and I
have to re-boot, and go
though the chkdsk process once again.  What would cause this to happen?
Sounds like a
config.sys setting to me?

Second question: I am thinking of purchasing a 36.5 gig hard drive, will
OS-2 work on it?

Richard N. Hinton
rhinton@mediaone.net




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From: mcmorran@norfolk.infi.net                         16-Nov-99 20:49:26
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:14
Subj: Re: Please Help with Yamaha SCSI CD-ReWritable Drive.

From: mcmorran@norfolk.infi.net (Peter McMorran)

In <ebynaqcvapurfcznvyarg.flb8h80.pminews@news.force9.net>, on
11/16/99 
   at 04:46 PM, "Roland Pinches" <Roland.Pinches@pmail.net> said:

>The problem with my Yamaha CDRW4416S was the firmware level.
>Once it had been bought up to the latest level, WSeB recognised
>it with no problems at all.

>In case anyone else is thinking about going through the same
>process, I have one piece of advice: the flash update/utility
>that is downloaded from Yamaha is a WINZIP self extracting
>executable. It will require a flavour of Windows to extract it.
>This is a bit odd since it is labelled as the DOS download
>suitable, allegedly, for Unix and other OS's. If I didn't have a
>copy of WinNT 4 on another machine I wouldn't have been able to
>extract the files. So, that makes sense then...

Hi Roly,

I haven't looked at that Yamaha update (I have the 4416S 1.0g
firmware in a plain zip file) but you can usually unzip
self-extracting executables. Try unzip -l on it. unzip reports an
error for something unknown at the beginning -- that's the unzip
program -- then processes the rest of the image with no problem.

Cheers,
Peter

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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca                           17-Nov-99 03:11:05
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: Lock up after awhile...

From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:10:08, "Richard N. Hinton" 
<rhinton@mediaone.net> wrote:

> Ever since upgrading my main chip to a AMD 450 mHz chip, I notice that
> when I leave
> OS2/V4/fp11 alone for a half an hour or more, it tends to lock up and I
> have to re-boot, and go
> though the chkdsk process once again.  What would cause this to happen?
> Sounds like a
> config.sys setting to me?
> 
> Second question: I am thinking of purchasing a 36.5 gig hard drive, will
> OS-2 work on it?
> 

The HD should work with the updated IDE drivers that are
in the DD fixpack 1.

The machine locking up like that sounds more like
a hardware error to me. There may be a timing glitch
with the new CPU or some other kind of hardware error.

Is the new CPU on the same motherboard you were using
before?

Lorne Sunley


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From: sma.spam-not@rtd.com                              17-Nov-99 03:54:02
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com>


mark davidson wrote:
> 
> i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz

    Just about any will do this. I am using epox MBs. DFI and ASUS are
also highly recommended.


> and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.

   !!???!? I do not believe it is possible for a PC mainboard to do
this. The largest I have heard recently is 2 MB. Though I have heard
discussion of a third level cache for the pentium3 and amd k7; even so,
those were in the 8 MB max range.
    Have you yourself heard of this kind of MB with such a large cache?
How much RAM were you planning on having then? 2 GB?


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From: n3jja@my.address.is.my.business....               17-Nov-99 04:23:25
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

Message sender: n3jja@my.address.is.my.business.jackoff

From: n3jja@my.address.is.my.business.jackoff (Jim Nuytens)

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:39:51, xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark 
davidson) wrote:

> i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
> and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
> long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be 
> appreciated. 

If you can find them, I'd suggest the FIC 503+ (AT style) or the FIC 
2013 (ATX style) boards. 1MB cache handles 128MB RAM nicely and Warp 4
sees all the RAM.


"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe."
Dr. McCoy to Kirk / Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home

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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             16-Nov-99 21:57:22
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>

mark davidson wrote:
> 
> i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
> and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
> long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be
> appreciated.


The ASUS K7M with the Athlon processor is a very sweet OS/2 platform. 
Has UDMA/66 that works and is supported by the DANIS506.ADD driver.  And
OS/2 sees all of the memory over 64 MB.  

> 
> thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

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From: moschleg@erols.com                                17-Nov-99 01:33:07
  To: sma@rtd.com                                       17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

To: James Moe <sma@rtd.com>
From: Mark Schlegel <moschleg@erols.com>

James Moe wrote:
> 
> mark davidson wrote:
> >
> > i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
> 
>     Just about any will do this. I am using epox MBs. DFI and ASUS are
> also highly recommended.
> 
> > and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.
> 
>    !!???!? I do not believe it is possible for a PC mainboard to do
> this. The largest I have heard recently is 2 MB. Though I have heard
> discussion of a third level cache for the pentium3 and amd k7; even so,
> those were in the 8 MB max range.
>     Have you yourself heard of this kind of MB with such a large cache?
> How much RAM were you planning on having then? 2 GB?
> 
> --
> 
> sma at rtd dot com
> Remove ".spam-not" for email

You misunderstood him, he doesn't mean the SRAM cache
is 64MB, but that the cache is caching a system DRAM
that is > 64MB, the SRAM cache doing that is a lot smaller..
probably more like 512 KB.

Mark

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From: warp@ktn.net                                      16-Nov-99 21:20:19
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: Lock up after awhile...

From: Lee Pearson <warp@ktn.net>

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:10:08 -0500, Richard N. Hinton wrote:

>Ever since upgrading my main chip to a AMD 450 mHz chip, I notice that
>when I leave
>OS2/V4/fp11 alone for a half an hour or more, it tends to lock up and I
>have to re-boot, and go
>though the chkdsk process once again.  What would cause this to happen?

Do you have a temperature monitor in your CMOS setup?  Check the CPU temp
after 
20 minutes or so.  The K6-2's at 400> run hot, and not all heatsinks+fans that 

say they are for the K6 will actually do the job of moving that heat away from 

the CPU.

--Lee



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From: whonea@codenet.net                                17-Nov-99 00:13:11
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:54:05, James Moe <sma.spam-not@rtd.com> wrote:

>    !!???!? I do not believe it is possible for a PC mainboard to do
> this. The largest I have heard recently is 2 MB. Though I have heard
> discussion of a third level cache for the pentium3 and amd k7; even so,
> those were in the 8 MB max range.
>     Have you yourself heard of this kind of MB with such a large cache?
> How much RAM were you planning on having then? 2 GB?

I think he's talking about the L2 cache being able to cache more than 
64 MB of RAM, not the size of the cache itself.  Intel TX and some 
other chip sets had this limitation.  Anything with later Intel chip 
sets should work.  Certainly, the VIA and SIS chipsets will cache 
more.  My FIC board with VIA chips allows up to 2 MB of L2 caches and 
will supposedly cache up to 1 GB of RAM (or was that 2 GB - whatever 
it was, it exceeded my wallet capacity).

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com                                 17-Nov-99 08:59:26
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 10:26:29
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: DLaRue@NetSRQ.Com (David LaRue)

  Mark,

  I've been using DFI's P2XBL/D and P2XBL/S boards.  Both of these have had
no problems with the memory problems reported lately.  They support udma
but I use only SCSI-I/II/III devices so I can't vouch for the udma quality. 
They
aren't mainboards, but they do work well with OS/2.  I was looking at 
mainboards too for a long time.  The on board SCSI support is what moved me.
That may not be of any use to you though.

  Good luck,

  David LaRue

In <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-rEEX3b6xC5xv@camb1288.capecod.net>,
xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson) writes:
>i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
>and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
>long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be 
>appreciated. 
>
>thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

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From: dcasey@ibm.net                                    17-Nov-99 07:06:10
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 10:27:00
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey)

In article <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-rEEX3b6xC5xv@camb1288.capecod.net>,
xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson) wrote:
>i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
>and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
>long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be
>appreciated.
>
>thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

Unfortunatley, the type of processor DOES matter. For Socket 7
(Pentium, AMD K6, K6-2, and Cyrix), the only Intel chipset that would
cache more than 64 Mb of RAM was the old HX, which is no longer
produced, and only available on very outdated mainboards.

VIA and SiS chipsets will cache more than 64 Mb of RAM, and work well
with OS/2, provided you use Dani's IDE Drivers (DANIS506.ADD from
Hobbes).

Pentium III Mainboards with Intel chipsets will cache more than 64 Mb
of Ram.

Athlon (AMD K7 processors) need a patch to the OS2LDR file, also from
Dani, and also available at hobbes, in order for OS/2 to even see more
than 64 Mb of RAM in the system. Once that patch is applied, all of
the ram should be recognized. I say *should* because the patch has
only been available for about 5 days, and all reports have been
positive, so far.

In short, the Socket 7 mainboards are the only ones with limitations
on the amount of RAM that can be cached, so processor type does make a
difference.

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From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx                 17-Nov-99 08:02:12
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 10:27:00
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: mark davidson <xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx>

On 17 Nov 1999 00:13:23 -0700, whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea) wrote:

you are correct.  as i'm intel-stupid, might you be able to list which
of their chipsets does not suffer the memory caching limitation of the
TX series?

thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

>I think he's talking about the L2 cache being able to cache more than 
>64 MB of RAM, not the size of the cache itself.  Intel TX and some 
>other chip sets had this limitation.  Anything with later Intel chip 
>sets should work.  Certainly, the VIA and SIS chipsets will cache 
>more.  My FIC board with VIA chips allows up to 2 MB of L2 caches and 
>will supposedly cache up to 1 GB of RAM (or was that 2 GB - whatever 
>it was, it exceeded my wallet capacity).
>
>Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>



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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             17-Nov-99 08:59:06
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 14:38:17
Subj: Re: Lock up after awhile...

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


"Richard N. Hinton" wrote:
> 
> Ever since upgrading my main chip to a AMD 450 mHz chip, I notice that
> when I leave
> OS2/V4/fp11 alone for a half an hour or more, it tends to lock up and I
> have to re-boot, and go
> though the chkdsk process once again.  What would cause this to happen?
> Sounds like a
> config.sys setting to me?

If you have a Matrox video card, get the updated Matrox BIOS (must be
unzipped with Win95 but can be installed from OS/2 DOS prompt) and
latest driver.  Sometimes a glitch in the video system can do this.


> 
> Second question: I am thinking of purchasing a 36.5 gig hard drive, will
> OS-2 work on it?

Yes as long as there is a driver for your chipset.  The DANIS506.ADD
driver supports most current IDE controller chipsets.

> 
> Richard N. Hinton
> rhinton@mediaone.net

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From: xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx                 17-Nov-99 13:36:02
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 16:33:03
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: mark davidson <xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx>

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:06:21 -0500, dcasey@ibm.net (Dan Casey) wrote:

>In article <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-rEEX3b6xC5xv@camb1288.capecod.net>,
>xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson) wrote:
>>i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
>>and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
>>long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be
>>appreciated.

>Unfortunatley, the type of processor DOES matter. For Socket 7
>(Pentium, AMD K6, K6-2, and Cyrix), the only Intel chipset that would
>cache more than 64 Mb of RAM was the old HX, which is no longer
>produced, and only available on very outdated mainboards.

understood ... what i meant is that the type of cpu doesn't matter to
me in terms of upgrading.  i've used socket 7 exclusively in the past
but am more than willing to switch if the new cpu type/mainboard meets
the 2 requirements.

thanks/regards, .. mark davidson


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From: djohnson@isomedia.com                             17-Nov-99 11:52:17
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 14:35:21
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: "David T. Johnson" <djohnson@isomedia.com>


Dan Casey wrote:
> 
> In article <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-rEEX3b6xC5xv@camb1288.capecod.net>,
> xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson) wrote:
> >i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
> >and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
> >long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be
> >appreciated.
> >
> >thanks/regards, .. mark davidson
> 
> Unfortunatley, the type of processor DOES matter. For Socket 7
> (Pentium, AMD K6, K6-2, and Cyrix), the only Intel chipset that would
> cache more than 64 Mb of RAM was the old HX, which is no longer
> produced, and only available on very outdated mainboards.
> 
> VIA and SiS chipsets will cache more than 64 Mb of RAM, and work well
> with OS/2, provided you use Dani's IDE Drivers (DANIS506.ADD from
> Hobbes).
> 
> Pentium III Mainboards with Intel chipsets will cache more than 64 Mb
> of Ram.
> 
> Athlon (AMD K7 processors) need a patch to the OS2LDR file, also from
> Dani, and also available at hobbes, in order for OS/2 to even see more
> than 64 Mb of RAM in the system. Once that patch is applied, all of
> the ram should be recognized. I say *should* because the patch has
> only been available for about 5 days, and all reports have been
> positive, so far.

Note that this patch is not required if you use the ASUS K7M Athlon
motherboard.



> 
> In short, the Socket 7 mainboards are the only ones with limitations
> on the amount of RAM that can be cached, so processor type does make a
> difference.
> 
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From: sma@spam-not.rtd.com                              17-Nov-99 20:04:01
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 14:35:21
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: James Moe <sma@spam-not.rtd.com>


Mark Schlegel wrote:
> 
> 
> You misunderstood him, he doesn't mean the SRAM cache
> is 64MB, but that the cache is caching a system DRAM
> that is > 64MB, the SRAM cache doing that is a lot smaller..
> probably more like 512 KB.
> 
    Urk! Quite so.

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From: cmhall@umich.edu                                  18-Nov-99 14:26:23
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 23:54:08
Subj: Re: looking for mainboard recommendations

From: cmhall@umich.edu (Chris Hall)

In <fIF9M9pMNugl-pn2-rEEX3b6xC5xv@camb1288.capecod.net>,
xyxmadxyx@xyxziplinkxyx.xyxnetxyx (mark davidson) writes:
>i'm looking to upgrade to a mainboard that [1] supports udma at 66 mhz
>and [2] can cache more than 64 mb ram.  type of cpu isn't important as
>long as it meets the 2 objectives.  any recommendations will be 
>appreciated. 
>
>thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

It's always a good idea to pop over to www.indelible-blue.com and check out
the MB's there. They tend to sell for the OS/2 and Linux crowd.

Chris Hall  (cmhall@umich.edu)
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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