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From: sgross@fto.de                                     12-Nov-99 13:51:14
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 00:33:04
Subj: Dupes in this newsgroup from domain fto.de

From: sgross@fto.de (Steffen Gross)

Hallo

The reposting has stopped yesterday at evening , after i have found my
configuration error . 

I am sorry for this error .



Kind regards Steffen Gross

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        12-Nov-99 16:55:24
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 00:33:04
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:30:54 GMT, steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net
<steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>    * The Developer's Toolkit for OS/2 Warp 4.0 Update (CSD4) (G; M7)
> 
> >OK, so where do I find this?  The DevCon site lists the Toolkit itself as
> >Advanced level, is the update somewhere else?
> 
> See the G: M7.  That means it's available at General Level on CD #7.

Oh, I found it (under 'CSDs', not 'Toolkits').  It says it requires the
Warp 4 version of the toolkit already, though...

>    * NEW IBM OS/2 Developer's Toolkit Version 4.5 (A2)
> 
> Is this the one you are referring to?  I'm not sure what this is, since I
> can't find it on the A2 CD. (:  I'm going to guess it's the toolkit for
> WSeB.

Looking at the DevCon catalogue, under "Toolkits", I see:

  * The Developer's Toolkit for OS/2 Warp V4 (Merlin) (A2)


> >I suppose if all else fails, I can pick up a used DevCon CD set, they
> >seem to appear in c.o.o.m. and on ebay from time to time.
> 
> Why not just sign up for Partnerworld and buy a legal copy?  The CD's are
> usually available from IBM at basically manufacturing cost if you look at
> the promotions.

Is buying it from ebay not a "legal copy", then?

What/where is "PartnerWorld"?  (I just get lost in all of IBM's promotional 
jargon.)

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From: whonea@codenet.net                                12-Nov-99 20:55:28
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 03:31:18
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea)

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:55:20, alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)
wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:13:49 +0100, Paul Floyd <paul_floyd@see.sig> wrote:
> > > Well, I think I'll install it and check it out, anyway.  What kind of
> > > patches - from KaseWorks, or from IBM?
> > 
> > I got the patch I had from IBM. I *think* they can be found on Leo
> > (http://www.leo.org/leo_home_e.html). (perhaps also Hobbes). 
> 
> Well, it does seem kind of buggy...  What were the patches for,
> though - were they specific Kase:Set patches, or were they C Set or
> OS/2 patches?
> 
> I didn't see them on Leo after a brief look...

Start at ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/csetpp/fixes/v20 and 
scout around from there.  The ctc0012 fix is there along with some 
other stuff.  I gave up on Kase Set early on so I don't know what 
might be there.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

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From: rsteiner@visi.com                                 14-Nov-99 04:01:02
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 10:28:22
Subj: Re: Real Modem

From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Don McLeod <zachmcleod@earthlink.net>
spake unto us, saying:

>I have a 3Com/USR Internet Voice/Fax modem. I can't get the thing to run
>under OS/2 Warp 4. It's NOT a WINMODEM. I can get it to run fine under
>DOS, or Linux, but not Warp 4. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Which COM port and IRQ is it configured for?  Is it an internal or an
external modem?

-- 
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              ...and then she pressed the ctrl key...  :-)

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From: langman@earthling.net                             13-Nov-99 14:04:14
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 12:46:02
Subj: NASM

From: Kevin Langman <langman@earthling.net>

Anyone know what are the special things you have to do to get NASM to
generate OS/2 obj files?? I used the "USE32" and "FLAT' directives in
the segment line but still link386 complains with the following
message!!!

warning L4005: 32-bit fix-up in 16-bit record ignored at 5 in segment
text

thanks in advance!!
--

Kevin Langman
langman@earthling.net
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From: jSePnAsMaBjOcTe@w271zrz.zrz.tu-b...               13-Nov-99 17:49:18
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 16:36:24
Subj: Re: NASM

Message sender: jSePnAsMaBjOcTe@w271zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

From: jSePnAsMaBjOcTe@w271zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Jens Glathe)

On Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:04:29, Kevin Langman <langman@earthling.net> 
wrote:

Greetings!

> Anyone know what are the special things you have to do to get NASM to
> generate OS/2 obj files?? I used the "USE32" and "FLAT' directives in
> the segment line but still link386 complains with the following
> message!!!
> 
> warning L4005: 32-bit fix-up in 16-bit record ignored at 5 in segment
> text

For TASM you need the option /oi (Intel (?) linker format) to get an 
object file which links without complaints. For NASM, I don't know, 
however. I'd look into the command line options to find out which 
formats can be generated by NASM.

HTH

Jens.

-- 
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From: langman@earthling.net                             13-Nov-99 19:10:19
  To: All                                               13-Nov-99 16:36:25
Subj: Re: NASM

From: Kevin Langman <langman@earthling.net>


Jens Glathe wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:04:29, Kevin Langman <langman@earthling.net>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> For TASM you need the option /oi (Intel (?) linker format) to get an
> object file which links without complaints. For NASM, I don't know,
> however. I'd look into the command line options to find out which
> formats can be generated by NASM.
>

I use the -f obj option..

The valid -f options are as follows!

valid output formats for -f are (`*' denotes default):
  * bin       flat-form binary files (e.g. DOS .COM, .SYS)
    aout      Linux a.out object files
    aoutb     NetBSD/FreeBSD a.out object files
    coff      COFF (i386) object files (e.g. DJGPP for DOS)
    elf       ELF32 (i386) object files (e.g. Linux)
    as86      Linux as86 (bin86 version 0.3) object files
    obj       MS-DOS 16-bit/32-bit OMF object files
    win32     Microsoft Win32 (i386) object files
    oldrdf    Relocatable Dynamic Object File Format v1.1
    rdf       Relocatable Dynamic Object File Format v2.0
    ieee      IEEE-695 (LADsoft variant) object file format

I read the documents and it said that OS/2 & MS-DOS both use the OMF
format.

This is correct but I think there is a big difference between DOS16bit and
OS/2 32bit OBJ files???

Maybe I could use the Linux aout format??? Does ld.exe support linux object
files??

thanks!
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langman@earthling.net
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From: zachmcleod@earthlink.net                          15-Nov-99 12:43:11
  To: All                                               15-Nov-99 20:08:23
Subj: Re: Real Modem

From: Zachariah McLeod <zachmcleod@earthlink.net>

No, I can't

Richard Steiner wrote:

> Here in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Zachariah McLeod <zachmcleod@earthlink.net>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >According to Windows 98 it's on COM 1, the interrupt is 4, and the address
> >is 3F8. Is the DMA than interrupt or the address?
>
> A modem shouldn't use a DMA.  The other information (IRQ and base addr)
> sure looks standard to me for something using COM1.
>
> Can you see the modem using the DOS software in a VDM?
>
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  rsteiner@visi.com  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>           Two wrongs don't make a right -- but three LEFTS do!!


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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        16-Nov-99 02:35:04
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 05:11:16
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:34:54 -0800, steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net
<steve53_remove_this@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Is buying it from ebay not a "legal copy", then?
> 
> My understanding of the license terms is, it is not legal to resell your
> license to use the current DevCon materials.  Also, with some exceptions,
> the right to use materials on the Devcon CD's expires with the release of
> the next set of CD's or after 18 months.  My memory says the right to use
> the Toolkits does not expire, but don't quote me. :)
 
<sigh> They don't exactly make it easy, do they?

...I'm beginning to think it's small wonder OS/2 has such relatively few
software developers...

> >What/where is "PartnerWorld"?  (I just get lost in all of IBM's
> >promotional  jargon.)
> 
> Start at:
> 
>   http://www.developer.ibm.com/

Actually, right after posting I suddenly found a link to it on the DevCon
page.  Of course, looking around it didn't find me anything useful, except
how to go around in endless circles of PHB-oriented buzzwords.  Much like
all of IBM's web pages...

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From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca                        16-Nov-99 02:36:14
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 05:11:17
Subj: Re: IBM C/Set++ 2.1 - any good?

From: alex@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca (Alex Taylor)

On 12 Nov 1999 20:55:57 -0700, Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> wrote:
> > > > Well, I think I'll install it and check it out, anyway.  What kind of
> > > > patches - from KaseWorks, or from IBM?
> > > 
> > > I got the patch I had from IBM. I *think* they can be found on Leo
> > > (http://www.leo.org/leo_home_e.html). (perhaps also Hobbes). 
> > 
> > Well, it does seem kind of buggy...  What were the patches for,
> > though - were they specific Kase:Set patches, or were they C Set or
> > OS/2 patches?
> > 
> > I didn't see them on Leo after a brief look...
> 
> Start at ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/csetpp/fixes/v20 and 
> scout around from there.  The ctc0012 fix is there along with some 
> other stuff.  I gave up on Kase Set early on so I don't know what 
> might be there.

Thanks.  Although, I actually ended up using the /csetpp/fixes/v21
directory.

I also did a search on "Kase" on Hobbes, and found a number of other
useful-looking patches, so I now have plenty to play with.  :)

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From: niclas.lindstrom@edt.ericsson.se                  16-Nov-99 21:55:11
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 20:09:24
Subj: Changing fontsize in OS/2 Window from rexx?

From: Niclas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lindstr=F6m?= <niclas.lindstrom@edt.ericsson.se>

How do I change the current font size for an OS/2 VIO Window from within
a Rexx program..??

Niclas Lindstrm

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From: hubert@ugrad.cs.ualberta.ca                       16-Nov-99 16:38:04
  To: All                                               16-Nov-99 21:31:09
Subj: Re: Advise

From: Hubert Chan <hubert@ugrad.cs.ualberta.ca>

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, rover wrote:

> Okay, since no one seems to support the old C compiler anymore, I have to
> convert to C++
What are you talking about?  Any (decent) C++ compiler will be able to
double as a C compiler.

> I learnt C using the ORIGINAL K&R  C-bible (pre - ANSII) and I was wondering
> how steep the learning curve is on C++, Oh yes, what is the difference
> between straight C++ and the Visual C++.
Almost any valid C program is a C++ program.  There are a few differences,
such as the declaration foo() == foo(...) in C, but foo(void) in C++, and
C++ has more strict type checking.  If you really want to get into the
special C++ stuff, that would require learning about Object-Oriented
design.  The book I would recommend is "The C++ Programming Language" by
Stroustrup, 3rd edition.

AFAIK, Visual C++ is just C++ with a nice user interface.  But I've never
used Visual C++, so I could be wrong.

HTH

Hubert.

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From: rover_82@hotmail.com                              16-Nov-99 16:14:00
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 00:49:20
Subj: Advise

From: "rover" <rover_82@hotmail.com>

Okay, since no one seems to support the old C compiler anymore, I have to
convert to C++

I learnt C using the ORIGINAL K&R  C-bible (pre - ANSII) and I was wondering
how steep the learning curve is on C++, Oh yes, what is the difference
between straight C++ and the Visual C++.

See yah later


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From: rover_82@hotmail.com                              17-Nov-99 02:21:27
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 03:37:15
Subj: Re: Advise

From: "rover" <rover_82@hotmail.com>

Hubert Chan <hubert@ugrad.cs.ualberta.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSO.4.10.9911161629330.6380-100000@cab013.cs.ualberta.ca...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, rover wrote:
>
> > Okay, since no one seems to support the old C compiler anymore, I have
to
> > convert to C++
> What are you talking about?  Any (decent) C++ compiler will be able to
> double as a C compiler.
>
> > I learnt C using the ORIGINAL K&R  C-bible (pre - ANSII) and I was
wondering
> > how steep the learning curve is on C++, Oh yes, what is the difference
> > between straight C++ and the Visual C++.
> Almost any valid C program is a C++ program.  There are a few differences,
> such as the declaration foo() == foo(...) in C, but foo(void) in C++, and
> C++ has more strict type checking.  If you really want to get into the
> special C++ stuff, that would require learning about Object-Oriented
> design.  The book I would recommend is "The C++ Programming Language" by
> Stroustrup, 3rd edition.
>
> AFAIK, Visual C++ is just C++ with a nice user interface.  But I've never
> used Visual C++, so I could be wrong.

I'll have a look for the book... I still prefer the old K&R since it was so
thin and could fit easily into my briefcase... Thanks for the info.

See yah later



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From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com                               17-Nov-99 13:27:03
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 14:38:16
Subj: Re: Advise

From: pjfloyd@my-deja.com

In article <dpfY3.6092$1J5.501776@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>,
  "rover" <rover_82@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, since no one seems to support the old C compiler anymore, I have
to
> convert to C++

Most compilers support ANSI C. IBM VAC++ 4.0 is a relatively rare
exception.

> I learnt C using the ORIGINAL K&R  C-bible (pre - ANSII) and I was
wondering
> how steep the learning curve is on C++, Oh yes, what is the difference
> between straight C++ and the Visual C++.

I'd count 6 months to learn C++, less if you work full time with it. I'd
say it takes 2 or 3 projects to learn to design with C++.

Visual C++ is a Microsoft product, targeting Microsoft Windows. Are you
sure you mean this product, given that this is an OS/2 programmer group?
In any case, it is a compiler with an IDE (integrated development
environment). It also has tools for producing dialog boxes graphically.
It doesn't offer any real "visual programming".

IBM VisualAge C++, which might be what you mean, is a similar compiler
with IDE. However, VAC++ does include a Visual Builder, which does
allow visual programming.

Paul
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From: rover_82@hotmail.com                              17-Nov-99 18:58:06
  To: All                                               17-Nov-99 16:33:03
Subj: Re: Advise

From: "rover" <rover_82@hotmail.com>

<pjfloyd@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:80uaf8$q99$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <dpfY3.6092$1J5.501776@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>,

> Visual C++ is a Microsoft product, targeting Microsoft Windows. Are you
> sure you mean this product, given that this is an OS/2 programmer group?
> In any case, it is a compiler with an IDE (integrated development
> environment). It also has tools for producing dialog boxes graphically.
> It doesn't offer any real "visual programming".

Well, I currently use Lattice-C V6 (last version but has a great DB
interface) and CSET-2 (yeph the IBM one) I always get lost in the dialog and
other interfaces so mostly do CLI interfaces. I'm not terribly worried about
menu etc... since these are mostly programs that supply me with challlenges
and personal tools. :)

> IBM VisualAge C++, which might be what you mean, is a similar compiler
> with IDE. However, VAC++ does include a Visual Builder, which does
> allow visual programming.

Might have to take a gander at those.

Thanks for the info.

See yah later





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From: swaugh1@attglobal.net                             17-Nov-99 19:21:07
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 21:42:12
Subj: Simplicity for Java question

From: Scott <swaugh1@attglobal.net>

I was wondering if anyone has had luck getting Simplicity for Java to
install successfully on their OS/2 system?  My install finishes and says
it's complete, but it's way too fast and only creates the directories
(no files are populated in them).

Has anyone else run into this problem?  And/or know what a possible
solution is?

I'm running OS/2 4.0 fixpack 12, Java JDK 1.1.8 with swing.

Any help would be appreciated,

Scott

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From: norrisg@spam_free_linkline.com                    17-Nov-99 19:15:13
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 21:42:13
Subj: Re: Simplicity for Java question

From: "Graham C. Norris" <norrisg@spam_free_linkline.com>

There used to be a plain zip version available which will install, I
expect there still is. Email their tech support for the location of the
current one.

Graham.

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From: asuri@vpub.powernet.co.uk                         18-Nov-99 10:09:27
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 23:54:09
Subj: RE EPM Bars (without drinks!)

From: Adrian Suri <asuri@vpub.powernet.co.uk>

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A little while ago some one on this news group asked if it was possible
to get epm to open up
with different Tool bars, I discovered the tool bar that loads up is
present in EPM's
ini file normally on your OS2 dir, I thought one way around this problem
would be to write
a Rexx prog to change the setting in that file before opening epm,
however there must be a better way

Any ideas?

Adrian Suri

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From: thomson@nospam.com                                18-Nov-99 17:26:11
  To: All                                               18-Nov-99 23:54:10
Subj: Re: Advise

From: Brian Thomson <thomson@nospam.com>


pjfloyd@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <dpfY3.6092$1J5.501776@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>,
>   "rover" <rover_82@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Okay, since no one seems to support the old C compiler anymore, I have
> to
> > convert to C++
>
> Most compilers support ANSI C. IBM VAC++ 4.0 is a relatively rare
> exception.

I am not sure what you are referring to here.   VAC++ 4.0 certainly does
contain an ANSI C compiler.

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From: fBeythien@gmx.de                                  19-Nov-99 08:47:24
  To: All                                               19-Nov-99 05:24:20
Subj: Re: RE EPM Bars (without drinks!)

From: fBeythien@gmx.de (Frank Beythien)

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:09:54, Adrian Suri <asuri@vpub.powernet.co.uk> 
wrote:

 Hi

> A little while ago some one on this news group asked if it was possible
> to get epm to open up
> with different Tool bars, I discovered the tool bar that loads up is
> present in EPM's
> ini file normally on your OS2 dir, I thought one way around this problem
> would be to write
> a Rexx prog to change the setting in that file before opening epm,
> however there must be a better way
> 
> Any ideas?

RMB on toolbar to create / save your customized tooolbar

epm->options->preferences->toolbar   to set the new default toolbar.

CU/2
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Frank Beythien   fBeythien@gmx.de

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