
                  Bulletin Boards under OS/2       (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 28-Aug-1999 to Friday, 03-Sep-1999

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Steven Thompson                                   26-Aug-99 22:12:07
  To: Justin Baustert                                   28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Fixpack woes!

Hello Justin.

26 Aug 99 01:32, you wrote to Andrew Grillet:

 JB> You could tell that to IBM, but they might tell you that you're lucky
 JB> to be able to buy it at all.  Just as fixpaks don't make a major
 JB> change to OS/2 revision, refreshes sold with a FP shouldn't either,
 JB> but some sort of distinguishing mark would be helpful.

SYSLEVEL should show these changes.  There is no reason for there to be
distinuishing marks, since the only time it would really matter is when
applying a fixpack, in which case, you should check the SYSLEVEL anyway.

Steve.

... NEWS FLASH! Explosion at sperm bank. Tellers overcome.
--- GoldED/2 3.0.1
 * Origin: Mystic Triad -- Kingston, ON -- (613) 389-2439 (1:249/188)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Ruth Argust                                       27-Aug-99 14:03:22
  To: Steven Thompson                                   28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Scott is still the moderator

Hi Steven,

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 ST> <sob> <sniff> Was it something we said?  :)

:) 

 ST> Are you running a system under OS/2 right now?

The system has been running under OS/2 since v 2.0 (however many years that
is) but running a DOS BBS (off topic here <g>). Those were the DV/QEMM days
when I was trying to get enough memory to have 2 CD-roms online for download
along with two incoming phone lines and couldn't make it work well. OS/2 did
it with no problems and I have been with it ever since.

                                *ruth*


---
 * Origin:  The Great White South                    (1:2404/201)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Rich Wonneberger                                  27-Aug-99 20:44:00
  To: August Abolins                                    28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: MIA?

*** Quoting August Abolins to Steven Thompson dated 08-26-99 ***
> Some echos don't have "official" rules.  But I would imagine that "Stay
> on topic, and be nice!"  applies universally!   ;)

How would this apply in the FLAME echo???   :}

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


... I don't like money - but it quiets my spirit.
---
 * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914-783-2106 (1:2625/50)
120

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Sean Dennis                                       27-Aug-99 09:57:12
  To: Justin Baustert                                   28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: HELP!

Hello Justin.

26 Aug 99 01:25, you wrote to me:

 SD>> AT &F M0 W2 &K S11=50 S95=60 (using XON/XOFF flow control)

 JB> Why not use hardware flow control, Sean?

From what I have been told, flow control doesn't matter anyway with VModem.

Later,
Sean

... Oxymoron: dry heaves
--- AfterHours/2 and GoldED/2 : Enjoying the silence.
 * Origin: a..f..t..e..r..h..o..u..r..s..2..b..b..s (1:395/610)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Sean Dennis                                       27-Aug-99 14:50:08
  To: Steven Thompson                                   28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: HELP!

Hello Steven.

20 Aug 99 19:15, you wrote to me:

 SD>> I spent about another three days playing with it to no avail.  I
 SD>> simply switched software to Maximus/2.  Works like a charm now.
 SD>> I still don't know why Telegard/2 didn't want to look at the
 SD>> port.

 ST> Was it using a standard IRQ?  You made an excellent choice, anyways...
 ST> Max is pretty nice.  I don't mind Telegard, though.  I helped set a
 ST> version of it up once...  It was kinda cool...

Yes, to the first question.  However, TG has its problems-there's NO way to
import message bases, unless you're using FastEcho (as that's the only
converter written).  I wasn't too happy when I tried to import my 500+ message 
base echo by hand.  On the other hand, I found a nice little util for Max that 
took my SQUISH.CFG and made it into MSGAREA.CTL in about one minute.

I'd highly recommend TG for any new BBS sysop.  There's nothing easier to set
up, really.  There is great support for it and it seems like you can always
find a sysop that's run it at one time or another.  However, I have certain
needs and I've found Maximus/2 to meet them in a more capable way than TG.

Anyway, I'm off my soapbox now. ;)  AFAIC, any BBS program is cool as long as
you're happy with it.

Later,
Sean

... You must come full circle to find the truth. - Mr. Kryder
--- AfterHours/2 and GoldED/2 : Enjoying the silence.
 * Origin: a..f..t..e..r..h..o..u..r..s..2..b..b..s (1:395/610)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Sean Dennis                                       27-Aug-99 14:54:15
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: About Scott...

Hello All.

Scott Drake is still around.  However, he is extremely busy working two jobs
and with his personal health problems.  He does have an interest in OS/2 (as
that is what his IRC network servers for SysopNet do run off of) and BBSes.

<opinion>

If people want to whine and bitch, you oughta do it somewhere else.  I pay for 
my bandwidth and I don't appreciate this "where's the moderator" crap.  Why
don't you drop him a line at sdrake@isonline.com and whine to him there? 
Maybe I'll talk to him and take over as moderator.

If you want to flame me about this, try afterhoursbbs@bigfoot.com.  That's
free for me.

</opinion>

Later,
Sean

... You now may give birth.--Worf
--- AfterHours/2 and GoldED/2 : Enjoying the silence.
 * Origin: a..f..t..e..r..h..o..u..r..s..2..b..b..s (1:395/610)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Steven Thompson                                   27-Aug-99 12:11:28
  To: August Abolins                                    28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: MIA?

Hello August.

26 Aug 99 14:32, you wrote to me:

 AA> Some echos don't have "official" rules.  But I would imagine that
 AA> "Stay on topic, and be nice!"  applies universally!   ;)

Heh.  Yeah.

 AA> If there is an official .RUL file on file, I think its possible to
 AA> fetch a copy of it with an direct email/netmail request to the
 AA> ECHOMOD.

My point is more that the moderator SHOULD participate in echoes which he
moderates.  What good is a moderator who doesn't moderate?

Steve.

... A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel good.
--- GoldED/2 3.0.1
 * Origin: Mystic Triad -- Kingston, ON -- (613) 389-2439 (1:249/188)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Steven Thompson                                   27-Aug-99 15:03:16
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Scott is still the moderator

Hello Leonard.

25 Aug 99 21:03, you wrote to Ruth Argust:

 LE> The backboner "split" a few months back. The "old" backbone still has
 LE> the "expire inactive echoes" rule. The "new" one doesn't. And since
 LE> something like 90% of the hubs link via the "new" backbone, it really
 LE> *doesn't matter* if the "old" backbone quits carrying an echo.

Well, we can see that you enjoy mediocrity.  What about the 10% of the systems 
who still link via the old backbone?  Will they just lose out because someone
is too lazy to relist an echo?

Steve.

... "I am the parking meter that expires while you shop" - Darkwing Duck
--- GoldED/2 3.0.1
 * Origin: Mystic Triad -- Kingston, ON -- (613) 389-2439 (1:249/188)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Kenneth Duke                                      28-Aug-99 08:29:20
  To: Sean Dennis                                       28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Re: HELP!

*** Quoting Sean Dennis from a message to Steven Thompson ***

SD> I'd highly recommend TG for any new BBS sysop.  There's nothing 
SD> easier to set up, really.  There is great support for it and it seems 
SD> like you can always find asysop that's run it at one time or another. 
SD>  However, I have certain needs and I've found Maximus/2 to meet them 
SD> in a more capable waythan TG.

Thats something we TG/2 sysops have been asking for, for a long time.
Someone that did the FE2TG converter did a very nice job with it, and loved
every minute of it.
However, as a GE 120/pro user, in the same bind as you, I basically took a
areas.bbs list, imported it into FE, then, ran fe2tg...  I got all my message
bases in there, in less than a few minutes..

BTW, Gecho also exports a areas.bbs... So, it would be real easy for anyone to 
do that..
Now, the only thing I have to do, is add new echos when they start.. And thats 
not a big thing.. Adding close to 990 into TG is... :)


--- Telegard/2 v3.09.g2-sp3/mL
 * Origin: telnet://pcnashville.dhs.org (1:116/158)
120

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Steven Thompson                                   29-Aug-99 15:18:27
  To: Sean Dennis                                       30-Aug-99 08:45:24
Subj: About Scott...

Hello Sean.

27 Aug 99 14:54, you wrote to All:

 SD> If people want to whine and bitch, you oughta do it somewhere else.  I
 SD> pay for my bandwidth and I don't appreciate this "where's the
 SD> moderator" crap.  Why don't you drop him a line at sdrake@isonline.com
 SD> and whine to him there?  Maybe I'll talk to him and take over as
 SD> moderator.

I don't consider it whining wondering why the moderator is MIA.  Also, we
shouldn't have to contact him via the Internet, since he is the moderator, and 
as such should read the messages in his echo (especially the ones addressed to 
him).

 SD> If you want to flame me about this, try afterhoursbbs@bigfoot.com.
 SD> That's free for me.

Why would anyone want to flame you about this?  I don't find anything
offensive about offering an opinion, as long as I can offer one in return.

Steve.

... Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana.
--- GoldED/2 3.0.1
 * Origin: Mystic Triad -- Kingston, ON -- (613) 389-2439 (1:249/188)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Aug-99 09:19:26
  To: Steven Thompson                                   31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: About Scott...

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

 SD> If people want to whine and bitch, you oughta do it somewhere else.  I
 SD> pay for my bandwidth and I don't appreciate this "where's the
 SD> moderator" crap.  Why don't you drop him a line at sdrake@isonline.com
 SD> and whine to him there?  Maybe I'll talk to him and take over as
 SD> moderator.

 ST> I don't consider it whining wondering why the moderator is MIA. 
 ST> Also, we shouldn't have to contact him via the Internet, since 
 ST> he is the moderator, and as such should read the messages in 
 ST> his echo (especially the ones addressed to him).

 SD> If you want to flame me about this, try afterhoursbbs@bigfoot.com.
 SD> That's free for me.

 ST> Why would anyone want to flame you about this?  I don't find 
 ST> anything offensive about offering an opinion, as long as I can 
 ST> offer one in return. 

Well,  here's one more:  I don't think that any of this stuff has any place in 
here.  If you don't like the way an echo is run,  start your own!  None of
this talk has any bearing whatsoever on the topic in here,  which is
presumably what people who are linked to this echo are looking for...

--- 
 * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615)
120

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Sean Dennis                                       30-Aug-99 12:26:14
  To: Kenneth Duke                                      31-Aug-99 12:49:19
Subj: HELP!

Hello Kenneth.

28 Aug 99 08:29, you wrote to me:

 SD>> I'd highly recommend TG for any new BBS sysop.  There's nothing
 SD>> easier to set up, really.  There is great support for it and it
 SD>> seems like you can always find asysop that's run it at one time or
 SD>> another.  However, I have certain needs and I've found Maximus/2
 SD>> to meet them in a more capable waythan TG.

 KD> Thats something we TG/2 sysops have been asking for, for a long time.
 KD> Someone that did the FE2TG converter did a very nice job with it, and
 KD> loved every minute of it. However, as a GE 120/pro user, in the same
 KD> bind as you, I basically took a areas.bbs list, imported it into FE,
 KD> then, ran fe2tg...  I got all my message bases in there, in less than
 KD> a few minutes..

 KD> BTW, Gecho also exports a areas.bbs... So, it would be real easy for
 KD> anyone to do that.. Now, the only thing I have to do, is add new echos
 KD> when they start.. And thats not a big thing.. Adding close to 990 into
 KD> TG is... :)


Unfortunatly, our cries for help fall on deaf ears.  I have been flat out told 
by several of the TG 'groupies' (i.e. beta team) that that program simply
would be 'too hard' to write.  Then I'm wondering why the hell FE2TG was
written. Wouldn't be too hard to modify that to work with AREAS.BBS or
SQUISH.CFG.

For that reason and a few others, I dropped TG and am happily running
Maximus/2.

Later,
Sean

... Confucius say: User who has sexual hang-up use Laptop.
--- AfterHours/2 and GoldED/2 : Enjoying the silence.
 * Origin: a..f..t..e..r..h..o..u..r..s..2..b..b..s (1:395/610)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Justin Baustert                                   31-Aug-99 01:10:11
  To: Sean Dennis                                       01-Sep-99 02:31:22
Subj: Re: HELP!

 JB> Why not use hardware flow control, Sean?

 SD> From what I have been told, flow control doesn't matter anyway with
 SD> VModem.

You still have a hardware modem talking to another hardware modem on the 
other end of the phone line.  I think you'll find most others go with 
hardware flow control, as well..


JB

--- Telegard/2 v3.09.b24a/mL
 * Origin: Courier Central \ Edmond, OK \ 405.359.3390 (1:147/92)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Rich Wonneberger                                  31-Aug-99 21:16:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: HELP!

*** Quoting Sean Dennis to Kenneth Duke dated 08-30-99 ***
> For that reason and a few others, I dropped TG and am happily running 
> Maximus/2.

Sean,

What didnt you like about TG??
I'm still running TAG till 12/31/99

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


... CENSORED BY THE TAGLINE POLICE...
---
 * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914-783-2106 (1:2625/50)
120

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Rich Wonneberger                                  31-Aug-99 21:18:00
  To: Justin Baustert                                   01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: Re: HELP!

*** Quoting Justin Baustert to Sean Dennis dated 08-31-99 ***
> You still have a hardware modem talking to another hardware modem on 
> the 
> other end of the phone line.  I think you'll find most others go with 
> hardware flow control, as well..

Are you trying to say my modem can control your modem thru hardware??

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


... Instant Human: Just Add Coffee...
---
 * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914-783-2106 (1:2625/50)
120

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Sean Dennis                                       31-Aug-99 08:03:24
  To: Steven Thompson                                   02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: About Scott...

Hello Steven.

29 Aug 99 15:18, you wrote to me:


 ST> I don't consider it whining wondering why the moderator is MIA.  Also,
 ST> we shouldn't have to contact him via the Internet, since he is the
 ST> moderator, and as such should read the messages in his echo
 ST> (especially the ones addressed to him).

 SD>> If you want to flame me about this, try
 SD>> afterhoursbbs@bigfoot.com. That's free for me.

 ST> Why would anyone want to flame you about this?  I don't find anything
 ST> offensive about offering an opinion, as long as I can offer one in
 ST> return.

I apologize if I was a bit touchy with that post.  I ignored my own rule and
posted when I shouldn't have (I wasn't in a good mood).  Scott's MIA with his
IRC network too most of the time... it's been known to limp along for a few
days before he realizes there's something wrong.

Anyhow, I wanted to let you know that hindsight on my part is 20/20.  Sorry.

Later,
Sean

... What do you call 13 Witches in a hot tub? A self-cleaning coven.
--- AfterHours/2 and GoldED/2 : Enjoying the silence.
 * Origin: a..f..t..e..r..h..o..u..r..s..2..b..b..s (1:395/610)
387/770

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: Jack Stein                                        01-Sep-99 07:11:12
  To: All                                               02-Sep-99 19:20:03
Subj: BBS2 Babble August Part 1 of 1

                               Part  1                               
                    The OS/2 REXX BabbloMeter Report                    
       Monthly Babble received in OS2BBS at Jack's Free Lunch BBS       
                            August, 1999                             

                    27 users babbled 88 Messages                     

Outbound Babble        %     K   Avg K | Incoming Babble         %
=======================================|============================
 24 STEVEN THOMPSON  27.3%   33k   1.4 |  20 STEVEN THOMPSON   22.7%
 13 SEAN DENNIS      14.8%   26k   2.0 |  12 ALL               13.6%
  7 JUSTIN BAUSTERT   8.0%   11k   1.6 |  10 ALAN HESS         11.4%
  6 ALAN HESS         6.8%    7k   1.2 |   8 SEAN DENNIS        9.1%
  5 RUTH ARGUST       5.7%    9k   1.9 |   6 JUSTIN BAUSTERT    6.8%
  3 ROGER NELSON      3.4%    5k   1.5 |   5 RUTH ARGUST        5.7%
  3 MARK LEWIS        3.4%    5k   1.7 |   4 ANDREW GRILLET     4.5%
  3 ANDREW GRILLET    3.4%    6k   1.9 |   2 ROGER NELSON       2.3%
  2 DAN EGLI          2.3%    3k   1.3 |   2 STEPHEN HAFFLY     2.3%
  2 STEPHEN HAFFLY    2.3%    4k   2.0 |   2 ROBERT TODD        2.3%
  2 VINCE COEN        2.3%    4k   2.0 |   2 KENNETH DUKE       2.3%
  2 KENNETH DUKE      2.3%    3k   1.7 |   2 MARK LEWIS         2.3%
  2 Z1B OPERATIONS    2.3%    4k   1.8 |   2 AUGUST ABOLINS     2.3%
  1 LEONARD ERICKSON  1.1%    2k   1.5 |   1 RANDAL PUTNAM      1.1%
  1 MARC WEINMANN     1.1%    1k   1.0 |   1 LEONARD ERICKSO    1.1%
  1 KARI SUOMELA      1.1%    2k   1.5 |   1 KARI SUOMELA       1.1%
  1 RICH WONNEBERGER  1.1%    1k   1.1 |   1 ROSS SLADE         1.1%
  1 ROBERT TODD       1.1%    2k   1.7 |   1 JACK STEIN         1.1%
  1 JACK STEIN        1.1%    3k   3.0 |   1 SCOTT DRAKE        1.1%
  1 ROY J. TELLASON   1.1%    2k   1.8 |   1 GORDON LEWICKY     1.1%
  1 GORDON LEWICKY    1.1%    3k   2.7 |   1 GEORGE FLIGER      1.1%
  1 ELWYN GOLDSBURY   1.1%    2k   2.2 |   1 CLIVE BROWN        1.1%
  1 CLIVE BROWN       1.1%    1k   1.4 |   1 VINCE COEN         1.1%
  1 BOB JUGE          1.1%    2k   2.0 |   1 BOB JUGE           1.1%
  1 BOB JONES         1.1%    1k   1.0 |  
  1 AUGUST ABOLINS    1.1%    1k   1.3 |  
  1 ANDY BROWN        1.1%    2k   1.6 |  

--- MakeMsg v2.1
 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171.0)
120
278/111
2433/225

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

+============================================================================+
