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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  27-Aug-99 06:19:25
  To: Will Honea                                        28-Aug-99 01:06:28
Subj: Need Help with MAPping o

>>3) Unable to apply Current FixPaks to Warp v4.0 on a 1995mb partition.
>>   The fixpak installs using the latest CSD_141.EXE and QF11 to install from
>    hard drive.  The fix applies and then on re-boot I recieve TRAP ERRORS
>    with very little information in them.
>
>Insufficient info.  What traps with what messages and register dumps. 

     I was unable to get the trap error information, but have re-tried the
process of installing the fixpak again (7th time).  I copied the information
down while I was on another computer/system so that I would be able to save
the
information.  This is what little information it gave me.

trap error on comp-bbs is following:
---------------------------------------------------
TRAP 000d  ERRCD=ff00  ERACC=****  ERLIM=*******
--[ 5 or 6 lines, all entries where  "=********" type entries ]--

system detected an internal processing error at
locatation ##0168:fff492de - 000e:c2de.
60000, 9084

05860525
internal revision 9.035, 99/04/01
----------------------------------------------------
     I have a copy of the TRAP-ERROR code information, but don't know what
needs to be fixed to change the problem.

====================
TRAP 000d
Mike Roark (2:2490/8016)@8213.Fidonet
Thu Oct 02 21:00:37 1997

A trap 000D is caused (but not limited to) when a program references storag
outside the limit of the memory segment, references a storage segment that
restricted to privileged code, references storage with a selector value of
zero, writing read-only memory or code segment, reading from an execute-onl
code segment or loading an invalid value into a selector register. [SYS1943
===================

>Use the ALT-F2 at bootup to see what driver or process was in use when
>Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

     I tryed the trap dump log file for information.  Nothing in regards to
appling the fixpak was reported.  The file was empty.  Nothing recorded.

     I will try using ALT-F2 on bootup and see what it shows.

     Thanks for the replies.  They have helped.

Glen
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From: Super Keyby                                       23-Aug-99 07:50:22
  To: Michael Box                                       28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: fixpak 11 error

Ciao Michael!

20 Aug 99, Michael Box scrisse a All
a proposito di: fixpak 11 error ....riporto quotato il tuo messaggio!

 MB> I'm at a lost while trying to install fp11 on Warp4 I continuely get
 MB> the error checksum failure on file pmmerge.dl_. I've downloaded the
 MB> xr_m011.1dk 3 times (this contains the pmmerge file) and I still get

That's not true. pmmerge.dl_ is divided in a few disks. On Fix#8 (I'm sure
'cause I had the same exact problem you're having when installang Fix #8 at my 
office-computer) for example is both on Disk #1 and both on disk #8 (and maybe 
#10).

Redownload _ALL_ the fixpack.

You can even unpack the Disks with one of the newset unpacking utilities that 
_do_ control the CRC of the disk.

 /     |/
 /uper |\eyby - A presto, Michael!

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From: Ruth Argust                                       26-Aug-99 23:19:04
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Video card

Hello All!

I wish to replace my PCI video card. Running Warp 4 with FP10 here and the
present card is an S3 Trio 64+ which I don't like. I have seen comments about
Matrox video cards being good but was trying to find one locally which seems
to be no easy task.

Is anyone using an ATI or any other brand of video card who can recommend it?

Thanks!

                            *ruth*
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From: Ian Singer                                        26-Aug-99 07:49:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

-> Not really I get it for free because he is licensed to get me
-> anything he wants on there, don't ask me about that stuff, ask him,
-> all I care is that it's free.

Please pass on his name, address, phone, fax, and email so I can ask
him.  Thanks.

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From: Jack Stein                                        25-Aug-99 18:18:18
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Os2 & Dos

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS>Both a full and an incremental backup delete files in that only
 JS>current files on the system are in the archive.
  
 HG> AFAIK, incremental backup adds new files and updates the
 HG> version on the backup media (if there is a similarly named)
 HG> but doesn't delete files from the backup that have been
 HG> deleted from the source.

 JS> It does if you overwrite the original incremental back up each day.  A
 JS> standard back-up routine is to do a full back-up once per week, and an
 JS> incremental daily, overwriting the incremenatal each day, so it
 JS> contains only files that changed or were created since the last full
 JS> back-up.  This is essentially what you are doing, and is what the
 JS> archive bit on files is used for. 

 LE> ARGGHHH! NO!

ARGGHHH! YES!

 LE> The "standard" scheme you refer to requyires a *seperate*
 LE> incremental backup tape for *each day*. 

Nope, it doesn't.

 LE> Doing it the way you just described woud have a file get
 LE> created on Monday, included on monday's incremental backup,
 LE> and *not* included on Tuesday's backup because it hadn't
 LE> changed on Tuesday. So if you were using the same tape for
 LE> monday and tuesday, you'd no longer have the file backed up.

Note quite.  Doing it the way I discribed does not change the archive bit,
which is your choice when you do backups with RAR or PKZIP.  You change the
archive bit on full back-ups, on daily incremental backups you don't reset the 
archive bit, so each day you get all changed files since the last full backup, 
and files that are no longer on the drive are gone, which is what the original 
poster wanted to happen, and also how I want it to happen, and is how I've
been doing it for years, including when I did tape back-ups.

 LE> This is because the archive bits get cleared by *either*
 LE> sort of backup. 

I guess if you use a back-up application that prevents you from controlling
the archive bit.  I've never seen one of those, most allow full, and both
types of incremental, your method, and my method.  Since I don't use a back up 
application per say, I always have control of turning the archive bit on or
off, so I dictate exactly how it will be done.  For non-critical back-ups,
such as 99% of home users and most business situations, my method is probably
the most common method, and makes the most sense.

 LE> And in fact, for safety's sake, you need a second "full"
 LE> backup tape. 

I don't believe in tape back-ups at all, unless you need off site storage,
which few home users require.  Tapes have been a horrible mess for the home
user using standard cheap tape drives, and all would be better off purchasing
another HD to do their back-ups on, and all that is needed is a free scheduler 
and a decent archiver, such as RAR, and very minimal batch writing skills.

 LE> You alternate between them. That way if the
 LE> drive eats the tape, you still have *last week's* full
 LE> backup, which along with the incremental backups since then,
 LE> will allow you to recreate the system. 

Drives eating tapes, tapes not recording correctly, massive dust problems,
tape drives dying a quick death have been the joke of home tape systems IMO,
and experience.  I've lost 3 tape drives since 1990, and not ONE hard drive. I 
would have to lose two hard drives simultaneously for me to get in trouble,
and that is a very remote possiblity.  Additionally, I can restore any file
almost instantly stored on a random access HD, but it takes forever to load a
tape and search for a file with serial access.  

                                              Jack 
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   26-Aug-99 06:41:29
  To: John Thompson                                     28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Rodent

;
In a msg of <Tuesday August 24 1999>, John Thompson writes to Steve McCrystal:
;

 SM>> What did you use to generate these lists, please?

 JT> GO! v1.5 - (c) 1993-95 by Carsten Wimmer <cawim@train.oche.de>

 JT> Available from hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/process/go_15.zip

Thanks, John!  As it turns out, I have it here already.  :(

-[Steve]-

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From: Bat Lang                                          27-Aug-99 02:20:19
  To: Ken Shea                                          28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Ken Shea, [24 Aug 99  10:32:12] <=-

 JS> At any rate, both FC/2 and OS2 Commander are very good file managers
 JS> that clone NC for DOS, and add a BUNCH of functionality that make NC
 JS> look like the 1980's DOS app it was.  I recommend giving OS2C a long
 JS> hard look, well worth the effort.
 JS> OS2C-124.ZIP   OS/2 Commander Norton Clone by Wolfgang Sarp (Sysop
 JS> Recommended)

Jack tells it like it is. I couldn't have said it any better, well,
maybe just a bit. {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

BTW, FWIW, OS2C has not had any development or author response since v
1.24 ca. 7-25-98. While FC/2 has continued to be developed, and has an
active listserver which permits you to see all that others input, as
well as the author's response, a worthwhile perk. That said, every time
I try it, I come running back to OS2C. I expect that familiarity plays a
role here.

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Aug-99 10:33:14
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Need OS/2

Hi Albert,

23 Aug 99, Albert Sodyl of 1:153/307 wrote to EDDY THILLEMAN:

AS> Well the guy and I choose every component even the fan, and
AS> getting a $10 high quality 1 that is REALLY good...and so on.

Ofcourse. :)

AS> I wouldn't bother if someone can install it just as good.

I wouldn't let someone else install software on my system, after all my system 
is a personal system. :)

AS> I'd like to do that too, but I don't have the time and it's
AS> too risky and I'm not experienced enough.

If you never try you never learn. :) I'm a programmer, this helps immensely
ofcourse. :) But you can always ask here if you have questions or problems,
that's why these areas exists. :)

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Aug-99 21:04:25
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

Hi Albert,

23 Aug 99, Albert Sodyl of 1:153/307 wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:

AS> I didn't buy anything, I get everything for free 10 gigs of
AS> anything you want for free along with a new computer.

I suggest that you ask in any case for *uninstalled* OS/2 Warp 3 or Warp 4,
that you could burn that on a new fresh cdr disc (if you have such a device),
that would solve the problem not being able to reinstall. If you want, I can
talk (mail) you through this.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Aug-99 21:17:06
  To: David Noon                                        28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

Hi David,

23 Aug 99, David Noon of 2:257/609 wrote to Steven Thompson:

DN> I usually boost the DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT to 32, 

I usually boost that to 64 (=64 MB), meaning what's not used is not allocated.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Aug-99 21:19:23
  To: David Noon                                        28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Rodent

Hi David,

23 Aug 99, David Noon of 2:257/609 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

DN> I was providing answers, not questions.

As we love that. ;-)

DN> The only problem was, some of the answers raised more
DN> questions. [As they often do.]

And usually there is a guy who asks how it turned the way it has gone. ;-)

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    26-Aug-99 21:25:18
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hi All,

For the people that can't get the 128-bit "secure" Netscape: get the 40-bit
"unsecure" Netscape and run fortify to make it 128-bit. Fortify can be found
at http://www.fortify.net

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                27-Aug-99 15:37:14
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: win32OS2

25 Aug 99 10:30, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>>> Win32OS/2 has ported several - including Quake.

 SH>> You can port programs yourself with it.

 ET> I didn't think of this before, but can 32-bit win (loose) versions of 
 ET> "shockwave" and "realplayer" be converted to native 32-bit OS/2 with 
 ET> win32os2, do you know if it's already done?

I'm not sure. If you get all the required DLL files, I'm sure it's a
good posibility.

Grab the program and give 'er a try. People are porting all sorts of
things.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  27-Aug-99 05:49:04
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

 -=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD <=-

 AS> * MOOD: You are a friend :)

 AS> Hey JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD, what's up?

 AS> JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL
 AS> about Beware of shoddy dealers! 
 AS>> (There's this guy I know, when you buy a computer from him, he
 AS>> can add any commercial software on your computer [without the
 AS>> CDs] and any games, [...]

 JDBP> As soon as you added the phrase "[without the CDs]" alarm bells
 JDBP> started ringing.  Be very wary of a computer dealer who doesn't
 JDBP> give you the original installation discs along with the
 JDBP> hardware, even if his excuse is that he has already installed
 JDBP> the software for you.  Even if he preinstalls everything for
 JDBP> you, he should still provide you with the manuals, boxes, and
 JDBP> all discs for the software that he has preinstalled.

 AS> Well that would not really be fair for him because he gives me as much
 AS> software as I want, up to 10 gigs free and any programs/files because
 AS> he is licensed to do that.  Come on, 99.9% of the people who sell
 AS> computers, don't give you anything with your cpu.  I figure that free
 AS> software shouldn't have to have manuals and all that stuff.  If I want
 AS> the whole thing, I'd buy it for $100.  But I don't care if I'll have
 AS> OS/2 and everything without paying a cent and a whole computer with
 AS> everything and 4 gigs of progs for 1,500 CA money, I think I don't care
 AS> for the manuals. Why do I need 142 manuals and 162 discs?  I could get
 AS> them but I'd have to pay for them which would be like more then 500
 AS> dollars. 


You've just made it virtually *certain* that he's putting *pirated*
software on those systems. If the software publishers feel like making
an example, *you* could draw fines, and maybe even jail time.

If you were in the US, you could draw some really *nasty* fines, and
multiple years in prison.

 AS> Not really I get it for free because he is licensed to get me anything
 AS> he wants on there, don't ask me about that stuff, ask him, all I care
 AS> is that it's free.

Unless you get the CDs, Floppies, or at least the proper "licensing
certificate" from him, it's *not* free. It's *stolen goods*. 

 JDBP> So whenever a dealer tries to "explain" that no, he is required
 JDBP> to hang on to the original installation discs and cannot give
 JDBP> them to you, and no, he cannot even supply you with a software
 JDBP> licence pack of any sort for the software that you have
 JDBP> supposedly bought, be very wary.

 AS> I didn't buy anything, I get everything for free 10 gigs of anything
 AS> you want for free along with a new computer.

Sorry, but *legally* you *did* buy it. As part of the cost of the
system. Also, the penalties for copyright infringement *don't* care if
money changed hands.

The *least* your are going to lose if the law gets involved is the
computer. 

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  27-Aug-99 05:56:05
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

 -=> Quoting Albert Sodyl to MARK LEWIS <=-

 ML> what he said, albert!! if i were in your shoes, i'd be asking some
 ML> serious questions and looking elsewhere... this has all the
 ML> earmarks of fraud, piracy, and thievery...

 AS> Lets explain it one more time.... I GET THE PROGRAMS FOR FREE... and I
 AS> DON'T CARE HOW HE PUTS THEM ON MY COMPUTER... I JUST want them
 AS> there.... he says he is licensed to distribute software like
 AS> that...especially OS/2. 

Do you understand the phrase "accessory to grand theft"?

Would you buy a brand new "cheap" VCR with *hundreds* of "free" movies?
All of which come on hand labeled cassettes?

*That* is the sort of thing you are involved in here. I don't know
Canadaian law. I do know that under *US* law, if the *retail* price
(list, not discounted or "upgrade" prices) of the pirated software on
your system exceeds something like $1500 (easy enough to do these
days, it could take as few as three programs) you'd be looking at 10
years in prison, and a 5 figure fine.

*Especially* after what people here have told you, you *can't* get away
with a "Why should I have suspected it was illegal?" type defense. Not
that those are worth much in this sort of case. It's expected that a
"reasonable person" *would* know better. Thus your failure to ask
questions isn't a defense, it's looked upon as "willful blindness" and
becomes another nail in the coffin.

Most especially with Microsoft programs, if you don't get the fancy
multi-colored "certificate" complete with the pretty hologram, you are
not legally in possesion of the program no matter *what* the dealer
tries to tell you.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  27-Aug-99 20:25:00
  To: Ruth Argust                                       28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Video card

*** Quoting Ruth Argust to All dated 08-26-99 ***
> comments about Matrox video cards being good but was trying to find one
> locally which seems to be no easy task.

I cant believe you cant find one unless you are in the middle of the desert..
All the biger comp stores have them here. (NY & NJ).
At the comp shows, there's dozzens of venders with them..
Have you tried mail order??  The few $$$ postage may be cheaper then driving
out of the desert..  :}

I have the G-200 btw..  Works fine for me..

Rich
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  27-Aug-99 20:38:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Os2 & Dos

*** Quoting Jack Stein to Leonard Erickson dated 08-25-99 ***
> bit, which is your choice when you do backups with RAR or PKZIP.  You 
> change the archive bit on full back-ups, on daily incremental backups 
> you don't reset the archive bit, so each day you get all changed files 

Jack,

Sorry..  Differential backups do not reset the archive bit..  Incremental
backup does re-set it..

You have been lucky with data so far..  When Murphy strikes, you will know
it..  :}

Rich
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From: Andrew Belov                                      27-Aug-99 17:38:28
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Re: Hpfs, Hpfs386

Hi Stewart!

In a msg originally to LEE ARONER, Stewart Honsberger said:

 SH> Might be time for a fact check. CACHE386.EXE contains the line;

 SH> MS Run-Time Library - Copyright (c) 1990, Microsoft Corp

 SH> IBM copyrights that the other files do). Granted; the HPFS386 IFS and
 SH> DLL files don't contain a Microsoft copyright, but the fact that the
 SH> executables do is enough indication to me that they still hold some part
 SH> of the file system.

This signature is used by Microsoft C v 6.0 startup code to determine stack
overflows and does not indicate any copyright since the startup code itself
comes in source with each copy of MS C. IBM still widely uses MS compilers
where 16-bit code is needed, or a "bound" (DOS+OS/2) program is to be created. 
The funniest thing is that different versions of MS C are used for different
parts of OS/2, you can easily find 1987 (MS C v 5.0) and 1988 (MS C v 5.1)
signatures as well.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         26-Aug-99 03:03:17
  To: Jack Stein                                        28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: A BIG sort...

 JS> Note that the "+n" stuff is the same, as is the /r for reverse. That 
 JS> seems to make them totally compatable?

The option on IBM's SORT is "/+n", not "+n".

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         26-Aug-99 03:31:19
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Hpfs, Hpfs386

 LA>> 386HPFS was developed solely by IBM, after the breakup, Check it  out
 LA>> with a hex editor, you will see that the only copyright is by  IBM,
 LA>> whereas a lot of the Win/OS2 files still have joint  copyrights.

 SH> Might be time for a fact check. CACHE386.EXE contains the line;
 SH>
 SH> MS Run-Time Library - Copyright (c) 1990, Microsoft Corp
 SH>
 SH> As does PREPACL.EXE, BOOTSH.EXE, HVA.EXE (which doesn't contain the 2
 SH> IBM copyrights that the other files do). Granted; the HPFS386 IFS and
 SH> DLL files don't contain a Microsoft copyright, but the fact that the
 SH> executables do is enough indication to me that they still hold some
 SH> part of the file system.

All that that is is a copyright statement for the C Runtime Library. 
CACHE386.EXE was probably developed with Microsoft C 6.0.  You'll find
copyright statements by Microsoft, Borland, Watcom, and other compiler vendors 
in many applications and utilities.  That doesn't mean that Microsoft,
Borland, Watcom, /et al./ developed those applications, or own any rights to
the application code in them.  Those are the copyright statements for the
runtime library code, written and owned by Microsoft, Borland, Watcom, /et
al./, that is linked into the applications.

Ironically, the licence provisions for use of the Runtime Libraries in
applications developed using the commercial C and C++ compilers from
Microsoft, Borland, Watcom, /et al./ are actually *less* restrictive on what
applications could be linked to them than the original GNU Library licence.  
The compiler vendors generally bend over backwards to point out that they
don't own the code of the applications that are linked to their runtime
libraries.  (Although Microsoft does put in restrictive terms that limit what
*kind* of applications can be developed using its compiler.)

The existence of a copyright declaration for the C Runtime Library for
Microsoft C version 6.0 embedded within the executables does *not* imply that
Microsoft owns any rights to the application code in CACHE386.EXE, BOOTSH.EXE, 
PREPACL.EXE, or any of the other files.

For those interested in such trivia, the OS/2 Command Line Utilities are
members of a very select group of application programs that do *not* contain a 
runtime library copyright statement from Microsoft, Borland, Watcom, MetaWare, 
or any other compiler vendor:

        [C:\Develop\OS2CLU02\Release]strings Strings.exe | grep copyright
        (46):Strings.exe(9050):C++ Standard library.  (c) Copyright 1991-1998
         Jonathan de Boyne Pollard.  All rights reserved.
        (48):Strings.exe(9194):Copyright (c) 1991-1999 Jonathan de Boyne Poll
        ard.  All Rights Reserved.

        [C:\Develop\OS2CLU02\Release]

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         26-Aug-99 08:47:08
  To: All                                               28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Is the world about to get a CLU?

I direct the attention of all of my OS2CLU pre-release testers to the message
that I just posted in the OS2CLU echo (which some of you receive as a mailing
list, and may not read frequently -- because it has been rather quiet of late
-- hence the reason that I'm also posting this notice in this echo).  Please
note the rather short timescale.  This has been dictated by personal
circumstances.  I'd appreciate a response *as soon as possible* within the
next few days.

  JdeBP 

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From: David Noon                                        26-Aug-99 18:29:01
  To: John Hicks                                        28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Compaq + OS2

In a message dated 08-24-99, John Hicks said to All about "Compaq + OS2"

Hi John,

JH>Hi, Can someone tell me how to install os/2 warp 3 onto a 
JH>compaq presario 4506 with a phoenix bios? Can it be done? 

Yes, I think so.

JH>The bios is the problem as os/2 doesn't appear to like 
JH>them. There was a bit in the manual that these bioses were 
JH>incompatible with os/2.

I have not encountered any problems installing on Phoenix, AMI or Award
BIOS's.

The first thing you might need to address is BIOS-based virus protection.
This detects attempts to change the Master Boot Record (MBR), which OS/2
needs to do in order to activate its and/or Boot Manager's partition. Switch
off the virus protection during install, if this is a feature of your BIOS.

JH>Is there any way around this other 
JH>than getting another computer which I am obviously not 
JH>prepared to do? Is there a patch? Thanks. 

Shouldn't be needed.

Can you tell us what type of expansion cards (disk controller(s), video
adapter, etc.) you have in your bus? The main bugbear in getting OS/2
working is getting the device drivers sorted out. You might also need to
download newer drivers if your hard-drive is rather large.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: David Noon                                        26-Aug-99 18:54:04
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

In a message dated 08-23-99, Albert Sodyl said to Mark Lewis about "Beware
of shoddy dealers"

Hi Albert,

[snip]
 JdBP>> As soon as you added the phrase "[without the CDs]" alarm bells
 JdBP>> started ringing.  Be very wary of a computer dealer who doesn't
 JdBP>> give you the original installation discs along with

 ML> what he said, albert!! if i were in your shoes, i'd be asking some
 ML> serious questions and looking elsewhere... this has all the
 ML> earmarks of fraud, piracy, and thievery...

AS>Lets explain it one more time.... I GET THE PROGRAMS FOR FREE... and I
AS>DON'T CARE HOW HE PUTS THEM ON MY COMPUTER... I JUST want them there....
AS>he says he is licensed to distribute software like that...especially
AS>OS/2.

Software that is bundled with hardware is called "OEM licensed". Under such
an arrangement, the OEM ["Original/Other Equipment Manufacturer", in this
case the hardware supplier] is obliged to provide you with install media and
documentation that are marked "OEM version: Not for sale without a
computer", or words to that effect. Certainly OEM copies of DOS, Windows
(all versions) and OS/2 are marked this way. Larger vendors (e.g. Dell,
Gateway 2000) have their own media and documentation production runs, and
their OEM install media and documentation are badged with their company
logo, thus identifying the OEM installer.

Most importantly of all, you should receive a piece of paper or card that
says "Proof of License", one card for each software product the hardware
seller installs. These cards are supplied to hardware vendors by the
software companies, and should have the appropriate software company seal on
them. This seal is usually a holographically etched piece of metal foil.

If you do not receive such media and documentation then you should suspect
that the hardware seller is bootlegging the software. If you do not receive
the "Proof of License" cards then you can be fairly certain that he is
bootlegging.

As for not caring, you should be aware that if your hardware vendor is
indeed bootlegging the software, you could be charged with receiving stolen
goods. For your own sake, you should ensure that all is above board.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: August Abolins                                    27-Aug-99 12:00:00
  To: all                                               28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp pm email client

Does there exist a good (and free) PM-based multi pop3/smtp account email
program for OS/2?


 .aa.

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From: Bob Wright                                        26-Aug-99 19:03:23
  To: Darren Ryall                                      28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Need OS/2

Greetings, Darren...

 Darren Ryall hastily said to Albert Sodyl:



 AS>> I dialed it, and it doesn't work so...

 DR> Hmm, it sounds down.. tried dialing it myself and got nothing but
 DR> ringing..

It's definitely down.  There was an announcement there back in the Spring that 
it would be closing.  Reason - everything that was there could also be found
on the internet... (or on the Toronto BBS, which IIRC wasn't closing).


        -- Bob

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From: Sean Dennis                                       27-Aug-99 10:08:09
  To: David Noon                                        28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Windows NT is not based

Hello David.

22 Aug 99 13:01, you wrote to me:

 DN> Well, the Wartburg [or was it Wartberg? I can never remember] was an
 DN> East German car with the bodywork made from compressed cardboard (!!).
 DN> A crash in one of those was usually fatal for the driver and all the
 DN> passengers, so you can see the design parallel in Winslug NT.

That's one heck of a parallel.

 DN> Now, anybody who has been hit by a Cadillac knows that the person who
 DN> felt the impact the least was the one driving the Caddy. Again, the
 DN> design parallel with OS/2 is quite clear.

Unfortunatly, due to bad hardware, my OS/2 system likes to barf a lot, but I
still have faith in it. :)  I have to set up an NT machine for college, but
I'm going to learn how to set up my OS/2-BBS machine as the main server for my 
"HouseholdNet".

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       27-Aug-99 10:11:05
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: TescoNet isn't a very good ISP

Hello Jonathan.

21 Aug 99 10:35, you wrote to me:

 SD>>>> BTW, call me a dumb American, but just how much is 7 quid? :P

 JP>>> Somewhere between $11.20 and $12.00, depending from the exact
 JP>>> value of the exchange rate at the moment.

 SD>> OW!  I'd be irate also.  That is a lot of money for a 15 minute
 SD>> phone call... I pay 8 cents a minute, so that would be $1.30 for
 SD>> me..

 JP> I ought to stress that, as I said above, this was a *premium-rate*
 JP> telephone call.  The equivalent of what in the U.S. would be a "1-900
 JP> number".  It's not fair to compare that with the costs of a
 JP> non-premium rate number.

Ok, in that case, I'd be screaming mad.  Paying for a premium service and not
getting any help.  Grrr!

 JP> This is the way that "free" ISPs are generally organised here in the
 JP> U.K..  The dial-up lines are generally priced at the cost of a local
 JP> call, wherever one may be in the country, and there are no
 JP> subscription charges; but the technical support line is a premium rate
 JP> line.  TescoNet charges 50 pence per minute for its technical support
 JP> line, for example.  (And that's high even for a premium rate line,
 JP> which are generally around the 36 pence per minute or 44 pence per
 JP> minute marks.)

Yes, that is high.  Here, we call the ISP's help line and get a bunch of
pimple-faced geeks fresh out of school that think that Windows is the only OS
in the world.  I love giving them hell. ;P

Anyhow, I promise not to wander off-topic here again.  (Riiiight.)

Later,
Sean

... You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms
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From: Steven Thompson                                   27-Aug-99 20:20:21
  To: Ruth Argust                                       28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Video card

Hello Ruth.

26 Aug 99 23:19, you wrote to All:

 RA> I wish to replace my PCI video card. Running Warp 4 with FP10 here and
 RA> the present card is an S3 Trio 64+ which I don't like. I have seen
 RA> comments about Matrox video cards being good but was trying to find
 RA> one locally which seems to be no easy task.

Yes.  Matrox cards aren't as common as they used to be.

 RA> Is anyone using an ATI or any other brand of video card who can
 RA> recommend it?

From what I've seen, ATI are quite well supported by OS/2.  A word of warning, 
though.  Don't buy the LATEST ATI card, since it may not yet have a driver for 
OS/2.

Steve.

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From: John Thompson                                     27-Aug-99 10:58:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Norton AV

In a message to John Thompson, Murray Lesser wrote re: Norton AV

ML>     I bought IBMAV a couple of years ago (supposedly for OS/2, DOS, and
ML> Windows), and discovered there was really nothing in it for OS/2 because
ML> the documentation said that there were no known OS/2 viruses to check
ML> for.  Since I don't do Windows in any form (I don't even have WinOS/2
ML> installed), nor do I boot "real" DOS, I didn't bother to install the AV
ML> app, and didn't bother Semantic when they took over IBMAV.  Is there
ML> anything in your package of goodies actually aimed at any potential OS/2
ML> viruses, or are all the new viruses these days being written for Win32
ML> systems?

There are still virtually no native OS/2 viruses and even fewer 
in the wild, but if you share files/mail/etc. on a mixed 
Windows/OS/2 network or even stand-alone machine it's still 
probably prudent to scan in OS/2 for DOS and Windows viruses.

Looking at the new virus listing with each signature update, it 
appears almost all new viruses these days are not just 
Windows-specific, but MS-Word/Office macro viruses.  That's good 
for those of us who don't use Windows or other MS products but I 
can't help but wonder how long it will be before somebody manages
to exploit Java as a virus distribution/execution environment. 
Then OS/2 and even linux users would have something to worry 
about...


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From: Michael Box                                       27-Aug-99 18:04:09
  To: Super Keyby                                       28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: fixpak 11 error

* Replying to a msg in PERSONAL (PERSONAL)

Hello Super.

Monday August 23 1999 07:50, you wrote to me:

 MB>> I'm at a lost while trying to install fp11 on Warp4 I continuely
 MB>> get the error checksum failure on file pmmerge.dl_. I've
 MB>> downloaded the xr_m011.1dk 3 times (this contains the pmmerge
 MB>> file) and I still get

 SK> That's not true. pmmerge.dl_ is divided in a few disks. On Fix#8 (I'm
 SK> sure 'cause I had the same exact problem you're having when installang
 SK> Fix #8 at my office-computer) for example is both on Disk #1 and both
 SK> on disk #8 (and maybe #10).

Thanks ... that would explain it... I've been just redownloading the first
disk. I'll try em all again.

 SK> You can even unpack the Disks with one of the newset unpacking
 SK> utilities that _do_ control the CRC of the disk.

 SK>  /     |/
 SK>  /uper |\eyby - A presto, Michael!

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From: David Bowerman                                    27-Aug-99 23:54:09
  To: Ben Ritchey                                       28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Booting

Ben Ritchey wrote in a message to All:

 BR> Don't ask why I did it this way, OS/2 was being stubborn and only
 BR> let me put things in certain places, etc., Grrr... What I want to
 BR> do is use 1GB of the Open area for a FAT32 Win95 Test partition
 BR> (and/or a Linux/FreeBSD Test partition eventually) but OS/2 FDisk
 BR> will not let me add a fourth Primary partition! I have a spare 3GB
 BR> drive for moving stuff around if need be, but how do I add a fourth
 BR> Bootable/Primary?

The simple answer is that you can't.  The partition table only allows for 4
entries.  You have three primary and 1 extended partition recorded in that
table.  You may have to look into another solution such as System Commander
which does not require a partition for itself.  LILO might also work but I
have played that much with LILO since my Linux box is only used for Linux and
a DOS emergency boot at the moment.

Regards,
       David

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From: David Bowerman                                    27-Aug-99 23:58:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Copymania

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Darren Ryall:

 BL> I've never dabbled with 4DOS but I am aware that there is an analog
 BL> for OS/2 called (oddly enough) 4OS2. {^; There are even some of the
 BL> folks in this echo that use 4OS2.  Right, FOLKS???
 BL> Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

Yep.  I use 4OS2 to replace OS/2 command processor and 4DOS to replace
COMMAND.COM in DOS boxes under OS/2.  I must admit that I seldom dabble in
batch programming since I discovered REXX with OS/2 2.

Regards,
       David

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From: David Bowerman                                    28-Aug-99 00:02:07
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Copymania

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

 JdBP> I think it's about time that we let go of this CP/M nonsense.

 RJT> Agreed.  It was only put _in_ to CP/M in the first place because
 RJT> the CP/M directory structure does not store the exact size of a
 RJT> file.  It certainly doesn't have any place in a 32-bit OS...

The convention of using a ctrl-Z to denote EOF predates CP/M by a fair chunk.

Regards,
       David

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From: Ruth Argust                                       28-Aug-99 00:44:08
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Video card

Hi Rich,

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RW> *** Quoting Ruth Argust to All dated 08-26-99 ***
> comments about Matrox video cards being good but was trying to find one
> locally which seems to be no easy task.

 RW> I cant believe you cant find one unless you are in the middle of
 RW> the desert..

Actually we are :) But we did drive to Fry's in the San Fernando Valley and
were told by one of the salesmen that they are no longer sold in retail
stores, which came as a surprise to us!

 RW>  All the biger comp stores have them here. (NY & NJ).
 RW> At the comp shows, there's dozzens of venders with them..
 RW> Have you tried mail order??  The few $$$ postage may be cheaper
 RW> then driving out of the desert..  :}

That's the next step, Rich. If needbe, I will order one.

 RW> I have the G-200 btw..  Works fine for me..

If that one is the best, that may be what we go with. We normally do get most
things via mail order but like to have a local connection for video cards in
case one fails (as has happened in the past).

                                 *ruth*

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From: Ian Singer                                        27-Aug-99 19:19:00
  To: Gord Hannah                                       28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Re: Beware of shoddy deal

-> Have you seen his license to distribute the said software?  When you
-> buy a machine from a vendor you "must" recieve the masters of all
-> programming that is on your machine "before" you take it home.

Not true at all.  Some software is provided in such a way that the
licence fee is paid, and its installed on the hard drive by the dealer
but that there are no original CDs or floppies.

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From: Lars Abrahamsson                                  27-Aug-99 14:43:07
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Why is this?

 LA>> Is there a Swedish FP9 out now? Didn't know.

 ET> I really have forgotten that fixpack versions other than US lags
 ET> behind. I don't know what is the newest Swedish fixpack, but with
 ET> Warpcast you have the latest news. Other than that, you can check
 ET> IBM's online webpage for fixpacks to check what's the newest version
 ET> for you.

I am quite sure FP6 is the newes Swedish version.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Aug-99 22:07:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: config.sys

In a message dated 08-25-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Bryan Schwartz:

BS> I rebooted and config.sys said:  SYS1201 "The device driver
BS> D:\TCPIP\BIN\VDOSTCP.VDD specified in device statement on

ET>Maybe the copy on your harddisk is corrupt? Try with overwriting the
ET>one on harddisk, but I don't know where on the install cdrom it is.

It may also be compressed on the CD so it has to be "extracted".

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   27-Aug-99 22:07:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Os2 & Dos

In a message dated 08-25-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Eddy,

ET>Synchronizing directories and its subdirectories is what pcopy does?

Yes! The idea is that if the main HD goes west I can just switch HD's
and continue operating with the backup HD. Of course I will activate
a small d: partition to compensate for the lost second HD which of
course already has a primary partition (and therefore is D:).

The trick is to remove files that have been deleted from the source HD
from the backup HD and to update files that have changed on the source.

The updating and addition of new files from the source to the backup HD
is the easy thing.

Regards,

Holger

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From: Peter Knapper                                     28-Aug-99 20:19:25
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: The all important reader

Hi Leonard,

 KS> - Anyone know if KWQ/2 1.2i is year 2000 compliant?

 LE> It doesn't much matter. Last I heard the QWK *format* isn't y2k
 LE> compliant. 

Actually, there is no real "issue" of Y2K compliance as far as the QWK file
format is concerned, it can store any year you like, but only as a 2 digit
number. The "issue" is that the S/W USING the QWK data file must make an
ASSUMPTION regarding the intended value of the YEAR. The problem is that some
of the QWK readers do not make a correct "guess" of that value. 

This should be reasonably easy to do in the S/W, BBS messages should be
written within no more than about 3 months of todays real date, so on a
machine with a date of 10 January 2000, a message being read that indicates 26 
December 99 should be reasonably determined to actually be 26 December 1999.

Likewise on the Server side (the BBS), the QWK uploading section could look at 
the suplied 2 digit date and make an assumption that the intended date is no
more than about 6 months old, but again, this assumes the BBS QWk Server has
been set up to handle the rollover in an intelligent manner.

If the QWK Server and QWK Client code is written intelligently, they should be 
able to handle this situation and things should work fine, but unfortunately
not all QWK S/W has been upgraded to handle this situation.

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From: Peter Knapper                                     28-Aug-99 23:03:23
  To: Andy Roberts                                      28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Andy,

 ET> Of course you can still boot from SCSI-ID 0 or 1, but it's not
 ET> restricted any more to boot from those two

 AR> Alright granted.  But remember way back years ago when 
 AR> CPUs were slow and it was important to put your modem on 
 AR> a low IRQ. Think about the reason for that.  Sure it would 
 AR> work on most any IRQ, but not as well under all conditions. 

The issue with a low numbered IRQ for a UART revolved around the importance of 
clearing the Received Data Buffer before another character arrived. A Serial
port is not a fast device, however it was important to service its interrupts
quickly. Buffered UARTS resolved a lot of these issues but its still an area
that needs to tbe considered for response time critical applications such as
FAX decoding in the PC, not the modem.

 AR> But can you give me a good reason NOT to put my most demanding and 
 AR> fastest SCSI devices on the lowest SCSI ID and the next 
 AR> fastest and next most demanding devices in order of higher SCSI IDs 
 AR> with the slowest and least demanding devices on the highest SCSI ID, 

It all comes down to the type of device being serviced. For a long time I used 
an Archive Viper SCSI Tape drive that had minimal buffering. To optimise
performance it was ESSENTIAL to keep providing it with data so that it would
stream and not pause. Because the HD's were so much quicker than the Tape
drive, I kept the Tape at a higher SCSI address than all the HD's (higher
addresses are serviced BEFORE lower ones). When it was at a LOWER address than 
the HD's, the intensive system activity that used the HD's a lot could
frequently stop the Tape drive from streaming. 

To optimise performance for ALL devices on a common bus, you should set it up
to service the most response critical device FIRST, followed by the rest of
the devices in descending order of need for service. A Fast device with large
buffers (such as a modern HD) can generally afford to wait a bit longer than a 
slow device with minimal buffering that needs a response NOW. With only 1 or 2 
devices (not including the Host Adapter) on a SCSI bus the addressing issue is 
probably a moot point.

Regards...........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     28-Aug-99 22:45:06
  To: Jack Stein                                        28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: A BIG sort...

Hi Jack,

 JT> The sort utility that comes with the GNU text utilities package 
 JT> can readily sort multi-megabyte size files.  

 PK> I have that but as you say, its commandline syntax is very
 PK> different to the standard SORT so I am looking for other
 PK> alternatives. BIGSORT seems to be a good candidate at the
 PK> moment.

 JS> I have never used the original OS/2 sort, but I have 
 JS> sortorg.exe I renamed here, and it shows only a /R for 
 JS> reverse, and +n for the column?

The one situation I was wanting a replacement, the SORT commandline was
generated by another application so I did not have the option of converting
the parameters to the different format without some trikery. I also remember
there were other subtle differences such as explicit column numbering started
from 0 (GNU) instead of 1 (default sort), although you could specify a
different base if wanted. By default it also seemed to handle data values as
WORDS. To get plain column based sorting required explicit range specification 
as such. I found the differences annoying to me at the time, although I could
see how they could be useful for other tasks. 

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     28-Aug-99 22:58:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: A BIG sort...

Hi Jack,


 MR> 32-Bit BIGsort V4.4(C)1988-93 Turgut 
 MR> Kalfaoglu,1378 Sok.8/10,Izmir,Turkey
 MR> That's what I have here.  It's almost certainly available on Hobbes.

 PK> How about that, grabbed it from one of my copies of
 PK> Hobbes.......;-) No matter how I do a search, I always seem
 PK> to find the 9999th way of wording something and completely
 PK> miss the target..........;-(

 JS> Let me know how that one works... it never worked at 
 JS> all here, or very poorly. I deleted it from my system 
 JS> several years ago, perhaps an early version?

It appears there were 2 versions released fairly close together, 4.2 and 4.4,
about 2 months apart. A quick test with 4.4 shows that its syntax is identical 
to standard SORT and it worked fine on my one test. More testing is needed to
check it out fully. 

Regards.......pk.


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From: Russell Tiedt                                     26-Aug-99 21:51:03
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: ImageMagick (OS/2)

Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote in a message to andrew graham:

 TBK> Hi there andrew!

 TBK> Replying to a message of andrew graham to All:

 TBK> What is ImageMagick?

An image manipulation program, runs on Linux, not sure what other platforms
are supported.

Go well, and God bless,

Russell 
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   27-Aug-99 06:56:26
  To: Steven Thompson                                   28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Norton AV

;
In a msg of <Sunday August 22 1999>, Steven Thompson writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
Steven,

 SM>> I had been using IBM's AV software, and when IBM turned over
 SM>> development of it to Symantec, I called them (Symantec) and
 SM>> asked about upgrading to NAV.  They sent me a CD that
 SM>> contained all of the versions they publish... OS/2, DOS.
 SM>> Win3.x, Win9x, NT, and everything they publish... free.

Sorry to take so long getting back to you, but I have been looking for the
number, or where I filed the paper I printed it on.  Unfortunately, I can't
find it. :(

I do remember seeing it posted here in the echo, way back.  Perhaps John
Thompson or one of the other folks who upgraded has the number.

As I understand it, they are now charging a very small fee ($5, as I recall)
for shipping, but it's still worth the price.  If only I could get the
scheduler to run without trapping.

-[Steve]-

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   28-Aug-99 10:27:03
  To: David Bowerman                                    28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Copymania

David Bowerman wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 JdBP> I think it's about time that we let go of this CP/M nonsense.

 RJT> Agreed.  It was only put _in_ to CP/M in the first place because
 RJT> the CP/M directory structure does not store the exact size of a
 RJT> file.  It certainly doesn't have any place in a 32-bit OS...

 DB> The convention of using a ctrl-Z to denote EOF predates CP/M
 DB> by a fair chunk. 

I wouldn't doubt it...

Let's see,  I'll bet they used that in that RT-11 OS I played with back in '78 
or so,  do you think?  :-)

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    27-Aug-99 17:15:20
  To: Andy Roberts                                      28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Andy,

23 Aug 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

AR> Personally I'm still inclined to think the Sync speed setting
AR> could be more of a problem than the SCSI ID order. But that's
AR> just based on my RTFM and having seen the exact same symptoms
AR> with other SCSI devices.

After shutting down and turning off the system, cdrecord says: "The unit seems 
to be hung and needs power cycling."

dir cdrecord.exe gives:
16-05-99  18:29     131076         291  cdrecord.exe

C:\CDRecord>cdrecord -v dev=0,6,0 -checkdrive
Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J@rg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '0,6,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun: 0
atapi: 0
C:\CDRecord\cdrecord.exe: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder.
C:\CDRecord\cdrecord.exe: Error 0. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: retryable
error
CDB:  00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS)
cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s
C:\CDRecord\cdrecord.exe: The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling.

-------------- mk_cdrw.cmd --------------
@echo off
cdrecord.exe -v -eject dev=6,0 speed=2 c:\cdrecord\cdimage.raw
-------------- mk_cdrw.cmd --------------

C:\CDRecord>mk_cdrw.cmd
Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J@rg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
cdrecord.exe: Fifo not supported.
scsidev: '6,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun: 0
atapi: 0
cdrecord.exe: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder.
cdrecord.exe: Error 0. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
CDB:  00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS)
cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s
cdrecord.exe: The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling.

Also tried by lowering the speed for the cdrewriter to 20 MB/s (because it's
an ultra narrow drive), disabling wide negotiation and disconnect, all with
the same result above. So I couldn't make cdrecord write to cdr's or cdrw's.
That system is now going back to my friend, so I won't be able to try again.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Stack Overflow: Too many pancakes.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 09:54:29
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Torsten,

24 Aug 99, Torsten Balle Koefoed of 2:238/202.3 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

TBK> Or maybe skip 'f:' and put the batch file somewhere in your
TBK> path.

Putting the drive letter back on the mkisofs line worked.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... For people who love peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 09:56:12
  To: Andy Roberts                                      28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Andy,

26 Aug 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

AR> Midnight typo. Either it did or it didn't find the CDR,
AR> depending on which line you read above. I assume it did find
AR> the CDR now.

First it didn't find the drive, later it once found the drive, after I changed 
the SCSI IDs cdrecord didn't find the drive anymore.

AR> Oh well there's always RSJ.

I know.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Asimov of Borg: The Three Laws of Assimilation...
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 10:51:22
  To: Mads Orbesen Troest                               28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Why is this?

Hi Mads,

25 Aug 99, Mads Orbesen Troest of 2:238/202.1 wrote to John Thompson:

MOT> solution involving standard kernel API calls won't work;

So a HPFS disk editor is needed, such as found in GammaTech Utilities or
Graham Utilities (both commercial), or DFSee (freeware).

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... Genot is gratis... dus geniet maar met volle teugen
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  28-Aug-99 01:02:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 01:23:26
Subj: Os2 & Dos

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> And in fact, for safety's sake, you need a second "full"
 LE> backup tape. 

 JS> I don't believe in tape back-ups at all, unless you need off site
 JS> storage, which few home users require.  Tapes have been a horrible
 JS> mess for the home user using standard cheap tape drives, and all would
 JS> be better off purchasing another HD to do their back-ups on, and all
 JS> that is needed is a free scheduler and a decent archiver, such as RAR,
 JS> and very minimal batch writing skills. 
 LE> You alternate between them. That way if the
 LE> drive eats the tape, you still have *last week's* full
 LE> backup, which along with the incremental backups since then,
 LE> will allow you to recreate the system. 

 JS> Drives eating tapes, tapes not recording correctly, massive dust
 JS> problems, tape drives dying a quick death have been the joke of home
 JS> tape systems IMO, and experience.  I've lost 3 tape drives since 1990,
 JS> and not ONE hard drive.

I've never lost a tape drive. But I have had tapes go bad after only
moderate use (I won't buy Maxell tapes anymore!). And I've had floppies
turn out to be unreadable. 

Also, it's possible to have a power glitch in the middle of a backup,
which pretty much *ruins* ANY type of backup. And in the case of your
"use a second HD" method, you are stuck without a safety net.

I've never been interested in the tape units that attach to floppy
controllers. What I preferred back in the late 80s were the Everex
units that used what looked like normal cassettes (except for a notch
cut in the back of the case). They came in two varieties, 20 meg and 60
meg. 

That was quite adequate back then. And it took less than 5 minutes to
fill a 20 meg cassette! I couldn't believe the folks using floppy
tapes. Those things took an hour or so to move the same amount of data.
The 60 meg units were equally fast. 

There were larger units in the line two, but I never dealt with those.

 JS> Additionally, I can restore any file almost instantly
 JS> stored on a random access HD, but it takes forever to load a tape and
 JS> search for a file with serial access.   

It didn't take all that long on the Everex units. At least not as long
as you did a "file by file" backup. The tape put a directory at one end
and since it recorded at least 6 or 8 "tracks" on the tape, it only
took a short time to find the file. 

These days, I'm storing stuff I don't need only all the time on Zip
disks. And I've got the most important drive on my file server
mirrored, so everything is written on *two* drives. If one fails, I'll
get an error message on the server. But it'll keep running. 

And I'm in the process of trying to track down the backup software I
need to run an 8-gig SCSI tape unit.


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From: Charles Bowman                                    28-Aug-99 12:00:20
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Aug-99 01:23:26
Subj: a linux situation..

following up a message from Russell Tiedt to Roy J. Tellason:

 RT> Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to August Abolins:

 AA> I had understood that W95's 32bit file system was based on 
 AA> OS/2's HPFS design.  It looks like I made a made a mistake and 
 AA> that it was the file system for NT that I was thinking about.

 RJT> If I'm remembering right,  earlier (3.51?) versions of NT could
 RJT> use HPFS,  but I think they decided to move off in a different
 RJT> direction with that... 

 RT> If you have kept the driver "pinball.sys" from NT 3.50 or 3.51, you
 RT> can use it under NT4.0, not sure about Windows 2000.

Pinball.sys doesn't seem to work in Windows2000 which was one reason
for it to lose it's partition in my machine.

cbowman57@hotmail.com 
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  28-Aug-99 17:51:00
  To: Ruth Argust                                       29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Video card

*** Quoting Ruth Argust to Rich Wonneberger dated 08-28-99 ***
>  RW> I have the G-200 btw..  Works fine for me..
> 
> If that one is the best, that may be what we go with. We normally do 

The G-200 isnt the best, but works fine..  The G-400 is over double the
price!!  It does have more memory, but I dont need more then I have now..  In
the OS2HW echo you can get a technical difference between the 2, as the guru's 
there are more qualified then me..  Also matrox.com could list the
differences..

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


... I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
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From: George White                                      26-Aug-99 07:57:02
  To: Will Honea                                        29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Hpfs, Hpfs386

Hi Will,

You wrote to LEE ARONER:

WH>LA>    386HPFS was developed solely by IBM, after the breakup, Check it
WH>LA>    out with a hex editor, you will see that the only copyright is by
WH>LA>    IBM, whereas a lot of the Win/OS2 files still have joint
WH>LA>    copyrights.

WH>Another urban rumor bites the dust, I guess.  Makes the pricing
WH>structure even stranger - but fortunately we're upgrading from Warp
WH>Server Advanced.  In a loaded server environment it's worth the price
WH>even at list.

I don't think Lee has it quite right. I remember Mary Moynaham
(she worked on OS/2 file system drivers while OS/2 was still at
Boca) saying that HPFS386 was written by MS in assembler, so there was
very little they could do with it. She also said they were considering
re-writing it in C to enable them to enhance it, and I suspect if LEE is
looking at a recent version this is why there is no MS copyright on it.
If I can dig out archives from the period, (if I still have them, it was
several years ago) I'll check my recollections and post any corrections.

George
___
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From: George White                                      26-Aug-99 08:13:03
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Leonard,

You wrote to Andy Roberts:

LE> ET> Ofcourse you can still boot from SCSI-ID 0 or 1, but it's not
LE> ET> restricted any more to boot from those two

LE> AR> Alright granted.  But remember way back years ago when CPUs were slow
LE> AR> and it was important to put your modem on a low IRQ.  Think about the
LE> AR> reason for that.  Sure it would work on most any IRQ, but not as well
LE> AR> under all conditions.  I'm trying to make an analogy to IRQ and SCSI
LE> AR> ID.  Granted as CPUs get faster the need to adhere to the old rules of
LE> AR> thumb become less important.  But can you give me a good reason NOT to
LE> AR> put my most demanding and fastest SCSI devices on the lowest SCSI ID
LE> AR> and the next fastest and next most demanding devices in order of
higher
LE> AR> SCSI IDs with the slowest and least demanding devices on the highest
LE> AR> SCSI ID, with the exception that the controller itself is almost
always
LE> AR> on SCSI ID7 by default.

LE>Well, for what it's worth, on Mac gear, the first HD is always ID 6.
LE>And you work *down* towards zero. I've alsoi run into at least on PC
LE>SCSI card where things worked better did things that way.

I know there are systems where things are done that way, but I have read
that the PC way of putting the fastest devices (the HDs) on the lowest
priority SCSI IDs gave the best overall performance as it allowed slow
devices to get a look in (because they had a higher priority than the
HDs the HDs couldn't hog the SCSI bus). The SCSI HBA always needs to be
the highest priority device on the SCSI bus.

George
___
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         27-Aug-99 09:35:09
  To: Lars Abrahamsson                                  29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Why is this?

 LA>>>>> On my "La Cream - Chteau d' amour.MP3" that switch doesn't work.

 ET>>>> What file attributes has this file?

 LA>>> ATTRIB *.*

 LA>>> Gives you an SYS0002

 JP>> Have you ever used HPFS386 on this volume ?

 LA> Nope. Is it worth a try?

No.  That's not the reason that I asked.  I was wondering whether you might
have used HPFS386 at some point and had some ACLs left around.  This would be
one possible cause of the access denied message.  The ordinary HPFS filesystem 
driver won't let one manipulate ACLs in any way, but it does know about them.

The other hypothesis that could explain this is corrupted DBCS tables.  The
HPFS filesystem structure contains embedded DBCS tables in the volume so that
filenames stored in different national languages can be properly parsed.  Each 
directory entry contains the code page that was in force when it was created
and a "DBCS used" flag.  If either of these have become corrupted, or if the
DBCS tables themselves have become corrupted, HPFS could be having problems
with the filename, and "access denied" could simply be its best effort at a
meaningful error number to return in this case.

I'm working on the assumption that you've already run CHKDSK /F:2 on this
volume, by the way, and found no problems.  I don't know whether CHKDSK fixes
broken DBCS tables if it finds them, or not, though.  My educated guess would
be that it would, however.

  JdeBP 

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From: Christer Jacobsson                                28-Aug-99 23:07:12
  To: Frits Spieker                                     29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Sunday August 22 1999, Frits Spieker writes to Christer Jacobsson:

 CJ>> The registration website SUCKS!

 FS> Why?

 CJ>> First you have to fill in a form and submit it. The response you got
 CJ>> from that is a message to the effect "We are sorry bla bla bla...".
 CJ>> Essentially, the message is a registration FAILURE message, nowhere
 CJ>> does it mention that you should wait for an email confirmation of your
 CJ>> registration which also contains the download URL you should use!

 FS> Nope. The response I got was that I was immediately and automaticly
 FS> directed to the download page where I could download the whole thing.
Have
 FS> you got cookies enabled for that site?

Pray, show me *how* I should fill in the critical fields, i.e. name, userID,
phone, email adress and so on to gain access to the download aera! And no, I
have Cookies enabled for ALL sites, blowing your theory to kingdom come! By
the way, I've changed NS/2 so it won't communicator/2 to

I have tried literally EVERYTHING. but I'm always refused access with an
access code #53, #54 or #57. For example, HOW do i enter a CORRECT
international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've tried both
+46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were accepted as

I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called custom-friendly 
policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM utterly. If IBM:s release code
of NS/2 4.61 is shipped with this dumb download constraints, then I'll switch
to Communicator 4.61/win31, or Opera for that matter, as long as I can go away 
from this IBM crappy software as soon as possible.

A last-ditch prayer: Can *someone* outside US show me ECACTLY what a VALID
international telephone number & an international should be constructed so
that non-US telephone customer can access the download sites?



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From: Christer Jacobsson                                28-Aug-99 23:47:18
  To: Frits Spieker                                     29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Sunday August 22 1999, Frits Spieker writes to Christer Jacobsson:

 CJ>> The registration website SUCKS!

 FS> Why?

 CJ>> First you have to fill in a form and submit it. The response you got
 CJ>> from that is a message to the effect "We are sorry bla bla bla...".
 CJ>> Essentially, the message is a registration FAILURE message, nowhere
 CJ>> does it mention that you should wait for an email confirmation of your
 CJ>> registration which also contains the download URL you should use!

 FS> Nope. The response I got was that I was immediately and automaticly
 FS> directed to the download page where I could download the whole thing.
Have
 FS> you got cookies enabled for that site?

Pray, show me *how* I should fill in the critical fields, i.e. name, userID,
phone, email adress and so on to gain access to the download aera! And no, I
have Cookies enabled for ALL sites, blowing your theory to kingdom come! By
the way, I've changed NS/2 so it won't communicator/2 to

I have tried literally EVERYTHING. but I'm always refused access with an
access code #53, #54 or #57. For example, HOW do i enter a CORRECT
international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've tried both
+46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were accepted as

I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called custom-friendly 
policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM utterly. If IBM:s release code
of NS/2 4.61 is shipped with this dumb download constraints, then I'll switch
to Communicator 4.61/win31, or Opera for that matter, as long as I can go away 
from this IBM crappy software as soon as possible.

A last-ditch prayer: Can *someone* outside US show me ECACTLY what a VALID
international telephone number & an international accepted ZIP code should be
constructed so that non-US telephone customer can access the download sites?



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From: Christer Jacobsson                                29-Aug-99 00:40:05
  To: Frits Spieker                                     29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Sunday August 22 1999, Frits Spieker writes to Christer Jacobsson:

 CJ>> The registration website SUCKS!

 FS> Why?

 CJ>> First you have to fill in a form and submit it. The response you got
 CJ>> from that is a message to the effect "We are sorry bla bla bla...".
 CJ>> Essentially, the message is a registration FAILURE message, nowhere
 CJ>> does it mention that you should wait for an email confirmation of your
 CJ>> registration which also contains the download URL you should use!


 FS> Nope. The response I got was that I was immediately and automaticly
 FS> directed to the download page where I could download the whole thing.
Have
 FS> you got cookies enabled for that site?

Pray, show me *how* I should fill in the critical fields, i.e. name, userID,
phone, email adress and so on to gain access to the download aera! And no, I
have Cookies enabled for ALL sites, blowing your theory to kingdom come! By
the way, I've changed NS/2 so it won't EVER check documents in the cache
against the Web but to no avail. I've changed the Settings->Advanced->Cache->
Document in cache is compared to document on network->NEVER, but NS/2 STILL
"freezes" my desktop 5-20 seconds every minute! Explain that!

I have tried literally EVERYTHING. but I'm always refused access with an
access code #53, #54 or #57. For example, HOW do i enter a CORRECT
international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've tried both
+46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were accepted as

I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called custom-friendly 
policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM utterly. If IBM:s release code
of NS/2 4.61 is shipped with this dumb download constraints, then I'll switch
to Communicator 4.61/win31, or Opera for that matter, as long as I can go away 
from this IBM crappy software as soon as possible.

A last-ditch prayer: Can *someone* outside US show me ECACTLY what a VALID
international telephone number & an international accepted ZIP code should be
constructed so that non-US telephone customer can access the download sites?



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From: Gene Tucker                                       29-Aug-99 18:59:00
  To: Steven Thompson                                   29-Aug-99 18:59:00
Subj: Video Card

In a message dated 08-27-99, Steven Thompson said to Ruth Argust:



ST>From what I've seen, ATI are quite well supported by OS/2.  
ST>A word of warning, though.  Don't buy the LATEST ATI card, 
ST>since it may not yet have a driver for OS/2.

ST>Steve.

Steve,

Well for the most part correct I do wish to say the the current beta of
Scitech
Diplay Doctor includes support for the new ATI cards. Scitech Soft work
closely
with ATI to develop the drivers for OS/2. And they will support quite a few 3D
accellerated cards Nivida TNT and 3dx are to be included inth efinal release
not
to mention support for many late Matrox cards.
___
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From: Gene Tucker                                       29-Aug-99 19:00:01
  To: Ruth Argust                                       29-Aug-99 19:00:01
Subj: Video Card

In a message dated 08-28-99, Ruth Argust said to Rich Wonneberger:


RA>Hi Rich,

RA>Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RW> *** Quoting Ruth Argust to All dated 08-26-99 ***
> comments about Matrox video cards being good but was trying to find one
> locally which seems to be no easy task.

 RW> I cant believe you cant find one unless you are in the middle of
 RW> the desert..

RA>Actually we are :) But we did drive to Fry's in the San 
RA>Fernando Valley and were told by one of the salesmen that 
RA>they are no longer sold in retail stores, which came as a 
RA>surprise to us!

 RW>  All the biger comp stores have them here. (NY & NJ).
 RW> At the comp shows, there's dozzens of venders with them..
 RW> Have you tried mail order??  The few $$$ postage may be cheaper
 RW> then driving out of the desert..  :}

RA>That's the next step, Rich. If needbe, I will order one.

 RW> I have the G-200 btw..  Works fine for me..

RA>If that one is the best, that may be what we go with. We normally do get
RA>most things via mail order but like to have a local connection 
RA>for video cards in case one fails (as has happened in the 
RA>past).

Ruth if you guys have Internet then you can connect to many mail order places
to
get one. Hint don't get the lowest price you see especialy if it is
Buysoftware.com.
___
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Aug-99 00:28:28
  To: Charles Bowman                                    30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: a linux situation..

Charles Bowman wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 CB> following up a message from Russell Tiedt to Roy J.
 CB> Tellason: 

<...>

 RT> If you have kept the driver "pinball.sys" from NT 3.50 or 3.51, you
 RT> can use it under NT4.0, not sure about Windows 2000.

 CB> Pinball.sys doesn't seem to work in Windows2000 which was
 CB> one reason for it to lose it's partition in my machine.

You got as far as giving it a partition?  :-)

I have *no* desire to even try that out,  at this point.  Too busy having fun
with dos/dv,  OS/2,  and Linux,  and I don't have room for any more computers
than the four that are currently on my desk!

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From: Gord Hannah                                       28-Aug-99 09:45:11
  To: Ian Moote                                         30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Pesky directory.

Hi Ian, hope you are having a nice day! :-)

27-Aug-99 10:54:00, Ian Moote wrote to ALL
          Subject: Pesky directory.

 IM> I've got a pesky subdirectory here that won't delete.

 IM> - Delete.

 IM> "D:\OS2 System\Templates". (Yes, there was a repartitioning performed

Ian you might want to move the other files you have on this drive to a
safe place and then format the drive, that may be one of the ways, the
other is using attrib to remove any protection the directory has
attached to it.  Wont hurt to try either one of these approaches.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.
We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca 
Cheers!
Gord Hannah 
-=Team OS/2=-

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    28-Aug-99 21:17:13
  To: Marc Weinmann                                     30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Netscape Communicator

On (25 Aug 99) Marc Weinmann wrote to Stephen Haffly...

Hi Marc,

 MW>  - Stephen Haffly discussed "Netscape Communicator" with Charles
 MW> Gaefke -

SH> Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great

 MW> New Deal Office 98? What's that?

If you are familiar with the older Geoworks Ensemble, then you know
basically what it is.  This has been updated with a new kernal, and some
changes in the applications package.  Although it runs in a DOS VDM, it
runs well in an OS/2 environment, and it is a nice little productivity
package.  Perhaps it isn't as capable as Star Office, but it takes a
mere fraction of the drive space.  More info at www.newdealinc.com.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

... Windows - About as useful as airbrakes on a turtle

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    28-Aug-99 21:37:15
  To: August Abolins                                    30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp pm email client

On (27 Aug 99) August Abolins wrote to all...

Hi August,

 AA> Does there exist a good (and free) PM-based multi pop3/smtp account
 AA> email program for OS/2?

Check www.innoval.com.  IIRC, they were letting PostRoad Mailer 3.0 for
OS/2 be used for home use free.  Whether that has changed or not, I
don't know.  It wouldn't hurt to check though.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

... A truly wise person knows that he knows not.

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Aug-99 00:43:00
  To: DARREN RYALL                                      30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Re: Need OS/2

* MOOD: Singing and dancing :D

Hey DARREN RYALL, what's up?

DARREN RYALL was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about Re: Need OS/2!


 AS>> I can't get it because my computer I mean my modem is soooooo
 AS>> slow that it would take about 4 minutes per a small HTML page to
 AS>> load.

 DR> I used to use CommunityNet at 2400 Albert, on both an XT and 286..
 DR> it wasn't lighting fast, but was useable..

Look, Darren, if ANSIs are unbarably slow, I don't know what else could be
faster...... I don't know and they call it FreeNet, but it just isn't free
enough for me.

 AS>>> almost the same price.  (There's this guy I know, when you buy a

 DR> Hmmmm, how can I make this simple.  The way you said it, sounded
 DR> like he was a pirate.  I said not to say it that way, very bad in
 DR> here.  You have now said that he is a licenced dealer.  That is
 DR> okay.

Sure, thing, sometimes people take msgs like these the wrong way, it
happens often.

 DR> Making this simple.  If your computer dies, you *need* original
 DR> software for reinstalling.  You may as well get your original
 DR> software from your dealer if you are paying for it in any case.

I got DOS 6.22, disks, what else do I need but OS/2? I want to make a boot
manager so I can have win98 (piece of junk, but I have to use it), and
DOS(maybe if OS/2 can't run dos as good, I don't know), and OS/2 hopefully.

 AS>> yeah, I know tha'ts bad, mikero$oft is not that good right now
 AS>> except the orginial DOS that I use, it never crashes while
 AS>> win3.11 crashes ALWAYS, but I still need it.

 DR> I have the same experience that you have, having to move
 DR> everything out of Windows back to DOS to make things more stable.

Yup, I let my BBS run in DOS for a week while I was on a vacation and man
it didn't crash....woooo.

 DR> If you get Warp 3, add fixpack 39 or 40 to it.  If you get Warp 4,
 DR> add fixpack 10 or 11 to it.  You'll be able to use Warp after the
 DR> end of the year without problems.  You'll be able to use OS/2's
 DR> DOS for gaming and stuff without problems.  And you'll be able to
 DR> use both after the end of the year without problems with the
 DR> fixpacks.

No idea either, about these fixpacks, it's like the following tagline:

... OS/2?!? What is that? Half an operating system?

I just don't understand OS/2 at all right now, I've hardly even seen how it
looks like.



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  Nothing beats sleeping in.                          BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Aug-99 00:50:00
  To: STEWART HONSBERGER                                30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

* MOOD: You are a friend :)

Hey STEWART HONSBERGER, what's up?

STEWART HONSBERGER was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about Beware of
shoddy dealers!

 SH> 23 Aug 99 20:06, Albert Sodyl wrote to MARK LEWIS:

 AS>> them there.... he says he is licensed to distribute software like
 AS>> that...especially OS/2.

 SH> Sounds to me like your friend the computer dealer is looking for
 SH> trouble. I'm not judging his actions, I'm just stating that under
 SH> Canadian law he could end up being fined, or possibly losing his
 SH> business.


He is not a friend, he is a local computer dealer in the lowermainland. He
is licensed to distribute software with your pc, I repeat he is licensed.


 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  Nothing beats sleeping in.                          BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Aug-99 00:53:00
  To: EDDY THILLEMAN                                    30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Need OS/2

* MOOD: Singing and dancing :D

Hey EDDY THILLEMAN, what's up?

EDDY THILLEMAN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about Need OS/2!


 AS>> I wouldn't bother if someone can install it just as good.

 ET> I wouldn't let someone else install software on my system, after
 ET> all my system is a personal system. :)

Well that yes, but things that are not as easy.  For example your Hard
Drive.

 AS>> I'd like to do that too, but I don't have the time and it's too
 AS>> risky and I'm not experienced enough.

 ET> If you never try you never learn. :) I'm a programmer, this helps
 ET> immensely ofcourse. :) But you can always ask here if you have
 ET> questions or problems, that's why these areas exists. :)

I know and that's why I'm in them, but I'm going to disconnect from this
one soon I think because I'm getting too many messages, I can't read them
all, you're lucky that I answered your mail.  I'm a programmer myself, not
very good since I'm only starting out in C and I also do heavy Basic
programming now adays, no OS/2 programming though.



 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  Hand over some cash now. :]                         BC

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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Aug-99 01:00:00
  To: ALL                                               30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Dealers

 To everyone who writes me those messages about pirated software and so
 on....

I don't want to pirate software, and of course it's against the law too.
But the dealer I was talking about lives quite a way from me and I only
know the telephone number, which I lost, it is somewhere but I can't find,
I would if I wanted to get a computer now, but I won't until a really long
while.  So I don't pirate software, and I don't know about the deal, I
talked with him for some time and then later I never talked to him again
because I didn't have the money for a new computer.  I'm pretty sure he
doesn't pirate, since many people know him and the law would have cought to
him by now.  I don't know about what he really does with the software that
comes with the PC, wether you pay for it or you get the CDs and manuals for a
price or (like the operating system such as OS/2) it's free and comes with
CDs and everything.  I don't know too much since it was a while since I
knew him, if I ever find his business card I'll let you know.




 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

  TerMail/QWK  BC = British Columbia, not Bonehead Country.        BC

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From: Andy Roberts                                      29-Aug-99 06:37:04
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: cdrewriter

 Eddy Thilleman,

27-Aug-99 17:15:40, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Andy Roberts
 ET> 23 Aug 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
          Subject: cdrewriter

 AR>> Personally I'm still inclined to think the Sync speed setting
 AR>> could be more of a problem than the SCSI ID order. But that's
 AR>> just based on my RTFM and having seen the exact same symptoms
 AR>> with other SCSI devices.

 ET> After shutting down and turning off the system, cdrecord says:
 ET> "The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling.

 ET> dir cdrecord.exe gives: 16-05-99  18:29     131076         291
 ET> cdrecord.exe

Might suggest to him to get the newer version:

--- Except ---
From : feedback@os2ezine.com               23-Aug-99  03:48:50  1:2624/801
Subj : [WarpCast] CDRecord/2 V1.8a24 released
* Copied from: TEAMOS2
Subject: [WarpCast] CDRecord/2 V1.8a24 released
Source: Chris wohlgemuth (chris.wohlgemuth@cityweb.de)
 
CDRecord/2 is a port of the free CD recording utility from 
*nix released under the GPL.

New with V1.8a24:

-FIFO implemented
-Fixed READCD.EXE
-Fixed a bug in the SCSI-interface causing system hangs

Everybody should upgrade to this version, esp. those who 
experienced traps or hangs.

For more information visit:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/5785/cdrecord/cdrecordmain.htm
--- End Quote ---

 ET> Also tried by lowering the speed for the cdrewriter to 20 MB/s
 ET> (because it's an ultra narrow drive), disabling wide negotiation
 ET> and disconnect, all with the same result above. So I couldn't make
 ET> cdrecord write to cdr's or cdrw's. That system is now going back
 ET> to my friend, so I won't be able to try again

Might suggest to him to lower the Sync speed more, especially if the specs
for the CDR say to do so.  Not all devices that fit the plug can handle the
maximum speed for that type.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   28-Aug-99 15:59:24
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Norton AV

;
In a msg of <Wednesday August 25 1999>, Kenneth Abrams writes to James Byrnes:
;
Kenneth,

 KA> Given the proliferation of "Intelligent Updater" versions for
 KA> Windows alone, and the problems some of them have had (not to
 KA> mention the ridiculous, amateurish reasons for some of the
 KA> problems), I suspect the beginning of the end for NAVOS2 will be
 KA> an updater that doesn't work "for some reason" and we'll get a
 KA> lot of "we'll have to look into that".

FWIW, I've used the NAV/2 updater several times now, and it appears to work
fine (at least at the present time).  I don't particularly like HOW it works
(it takes over the machine while it is running, and you can't do ANYTHING
else), but work it does.

-[Steve]-

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                28-Aug-99 11:21:02
  To: Ian Singer                                        30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Re: Beware of shoddy deal

On Stardate 27 Aug 99  19:19:00, Ian Singer Communicated the Following
To Gord Hannah, Regarding Re: Beware of shoddy deal...

-> Have you seen his license to distribute the said software?  When you
-> buy a machine from a vendor you "must" recieve the masters of all
-> programming that is on your machine "before" you take it home.
IS> 
IS> Not true at all.  Some software is provided in such a way that the
IS> licence fee is paid, and its installed on the hard drive by the dealer
IS> but that there are no original CDs or floppies.

Does Packard Smell ring a bell? ;-)

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    28-Aug-99 16:30:26
  To: Andy Roberts                                      30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Andy,

28 Aug 99 09:56:24 Eddy Thilleman wrote to Andy Roberts:

ET> First it didn't find the drive, later it once found the
ET> drive, after I changed the SCSI IDs cdrecord didn't find the
ET> drive anymore.

*NOW*, after the system has been off for more than 12 hours, cdrecord actually 
*writes* the cdrw!! The Adaptec BIOS is - for all SCSI devices including the
cdrewriter - set to 80 MB/s synchronous transfer speed, wide negotiation and
enable disconnect.

This is the result:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 2
  Reference speed: 0
  Is not unrestricted
  Is erasable
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11625 (97:27/00)
  ATIP start of lead out: 336225 (74:45/00)
  speed low: 0 speed high: 4
  power mult factor: 6 6
  recommended erase/write power: 4
Disk type: phase change
Manuf. index: 81
Manufacturer: ILLEGAL: Old Ritek Co.???
Blocks total: 336225 Blocks current: 336225 Blocks remaining: 14016
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in write mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01: 629 of 629 MB written.
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 659879936/659879936 (322207 sectors).
Writing  time: 2159.170s
Fixating...
Fixating time:  125.240s
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not sure why it says "Manufacturer: ILLEGAL: Old Ritek Co.???" ?

AR>> Personally I'm still inclined to think the Sync speed setting
AR>> could be more of a problem than the SCSI ID order. But that's
AR>> just based on my RTFM and having seen the exact same symptoms
AR>> with other SCSI devices.

I'll keep this in mind when there is a problem with it in the future. No doubt 
my friend will call me when he has a problem with it. :)

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... I am not a modem addict. I can quit anytime. Well almost
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Aug-99 09:09:15
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: win32OS2

Hi Stewart,

27 Aug 99, Stewart Honsberger of 1:229/604 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

SH> Grab the program and give 'er a try. People are porting all
SH> sorts of things.

I'll...

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    29-Aug-99 09:10:20
  To: Holger Granholm                                   30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: config.sys

Hi Holger,

27 Aug 99, Holger Granholm of 2:20/228 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

HG> It may also be compressed on the CD so it has to be
HG> "extracted".

Yep.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

... URA Redneck if you had to remove the Marlboro to kiss the bride.<BR>
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From: David Bowerman                                    29-Aug-99 14:28:08
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Copymania

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to David Bowerman:

 RJT> Agreed.  It was only put _in_ to CP/M in the first place because
 RJT> the CP/M directory structure does not store the exact size of a
 RJT> file.  It certainly doesn't have any place in a 32-bit OS...

 DB> The convention of using a ctrl-Z to denote EOF predates CP/M
 DB> by a fair chunk. 

 RJT> I wouldn't doubt it...

 RJT> Let's see,  I'll bet they used that in that RT-11 OS I played with
 RJT> back in '78 or so,  do you think?  :-)

I remember it from using a PDP-8 back in the early 70's.  Not sure if it was
an artifact of the OS or the editor used.

Regards,
       David

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From: David Noon                                        28-Aug-99 17:47:01
  To: Lee Aroner                                        30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Rodent

In a message dated 08-25-99, Lee Aroner said to David Noon about "Rodent"

Hi Lee,

LA>   Ralf's list is pretty incomplete as far as OS/2 goes...

Since his list is titled "DOS Interrupts" that is to be expected.

DN> However, none of the exposed API calls relates to threading or
  > concurrent device access.

LA>   There are some semaphore calls available, IIRC, which could 
LA>   possibly be used for critical section purposes or suchlike.

These are only useful across address spaces. They cannot be used within a
VDM address space to serialize concurrent units of work, as a VDM cannot
have concurrent units of work. You could use them for concurrent VDM
sessions, I suppose.

LA>   Another thing that would be nice would be a close API like the 
LA>   one in W9x or DV/DVX.

What do you mean by "close API"?

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: David Noon                                        28-Aug-99 18:41:02
  To: Mads Orbesen Troest                               30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Why is this?

In a message dated 08-25-99, Mads Orbesen Troest said to John Thompson about
"Why is this?"

Hi Mads,

MT>What (a lot of) you don't seem to understand is that the file can NOT be 
MT>moved, opened, deleted, attribute'ed or anything, because 
MT>every file routine in the the kernel API fails to see the 
MT>file. :-/

It seems DosFindFirst()/DosFindNext() can see it, as it appears in a DIR
command.

MT>Consequently, any proposed solution involving 
MT>standard kernel API calls won't work;

Well, that depends.

The root cause of the problem could be something a silly as an ACL having
been attached to the file, in the manner of HPFS386. I think JdeBP has
already asked about this.

Another possibility is that the NLS character table(s) on that partition
have become corrupted. A sufficiently aggressive CHKDSK /F:2 approach might
find the problem and cure it. Maybe even a CHCP 437 before attempting to
delete it might do the job, as the code page 437 table could still be in
good shape.

MT>PM solutions are 
MT>certainly no exception, as all WPS manipulation of course 
MT>is routed through the kernel file-level APIs.

True, the kernel and IFS control what goes on regarding files.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Aug-99 21:31:15
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: error message

 LE> I opened a 4OS2 window and typed HELPMSG 0. I got "no help available"
 LE> message. And OSO001.MSG is in the directory.

Type

        [c:\]dpath

If your DPATH environment variable does not include C:\OS2\SYSTEM, then that
is your problem.

 LE> BTW, this is happening when I try to use COMP to compare files. :-(

Both the COMP command supplied with OS/2 and the OS2CLU COMP utility use
message files for the messages that they display.  They will both have
problems if the message files aren't locatable.  (The OS2CLU COMP command will 
compare commands, and will display the results of the comparison as best it
can without the actual message text to work from.  The COMP command supplied
with OS/2 will just refuse to run at all.)  The message files won't be
locatable if you have messed up your DPATH environment variable.  

  JdeBP 

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From: Ian Moote                                         29-Aug-99 16:20:00
  To: GORD HANNAH                                       30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Pesky directory.

GH> IM> I've got a pesky subdirectory here that won't delete.
GH>
GH> Ian you might want to move the other files you have on this drive to
GH> a safe place and then format the drive,

[:D Not nearly enough room! [:) I was hoping for something a little more 
elegant, anyway. [;)


GH> the other is using attrib to remove any protection the directory has
GH> attached to it.

No, the System or Read-Only attributes aren't set. I was going to dig 
out my Extended Attribute editor, but I don't think that's the problem. 
I can see how an EA would prevent me from deleting a file while in 
Presentation Manager, but not after booting the machine to the command 
line.

'Could be wrong, though.

Thanks anyway. Take care and TTYL.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  29-Aug-99 18:06:00
  To: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                30-Aug-99 00:56:28
Subj: Re: Beware of shoddy deal

*** Quoting Jeffrey J. Counsil to Ian Singer dated 08-28-99 ***
> IS> Not true at all.  Some software is provided in such a way that the
> IS> licence fee is paid, and its installed on the hard drive by the 
> dealer
> IS> but that there are no original CDs or floppies.
> 
> Does Packard Smell ring a bell? ;-)

Even they provided a restore CD which install'd the orig apps..  

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Ian Singer                                        29-Aug-99 09:23:00
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      30-Aug-99 00:56:28
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

AS> I didn't buy anything, I get everything for free 10 gigs of
AS> anything you want for free along with a new computer.

In most cases, unless it is being specifically written for you, you dont
buy software, you only buy a licence to use it. If you read a lot of
agreements first of all you will find that by opening the package you
agree to their terms, then you will find that you can not read their
terms without opening the package, then you will see that at any time
they consider the agreement to have been broken they can request back
all their software (originals and copies).

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From: Ian Singer                                        29-Aug-99 09:36:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Aug-99 00:56:28
Subj: Os2 & Dos

-> And I'm in the process of trying to track down the backup software I
-> need to run an 8-gig SCSI tape unit.

Novaback from Novastor ?

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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Aug-99 13:00:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Aug-99 13:00:00
Subj: Copymania

(Excerpts from a message dated 08-28-99, Roy J. Tellason to David
Bowerman)

Hi Roy--

 JdBP> I think it's about time that we let go of this CP/M nonsense.

 RJT> Agreed.  It was only put _in_ to CP/M in the first place because
 RJT> the CP/M directory structure does not store the exact size of a
 RJT> file.  It certainly doesn't have any place in a 32-bit OS...

 DB> The convention of using a ctrl-Z to denote EOF predates CP/M
 DB> by a fair chunk. 

RT>I wouldn't doubt it...

RT>Let's see,  I'll bet they used that in that RT-11 OS I 
  >played with back in '78 or so,  do you think?  :-)

    There is no way that anyone can blame the use of Ctrl-Z as an EOF
mark on any desktop operating system :-).

    Ctrl-Z (1fh) has been part of the ASCII 7-bit code since its
beginning (around 1960, IIRC).  The first three of the four "separator"
control characters, 1ch through 1eh (<FS>, <GS>, and <RS>) were
originally intended for data transmission segment separators.  IIRC,
Ctrl-Z <US> was the "user-defined separator" to be used in other
environments.  IMO, ASCII was originally devised to accommodate AT&T,
who realized that the 5-bit Baudot code (used previously for TTY
systems) was no longer sufficient for "modern" data transmission.  The
computer manufacturers were snookered into going along with the 7-bit
idea, because (at the time) nobody (except IBM) was contemplating any
computer character codes having more than six bits (and IBM wasn't
making public noises about System/360 at the time).  Later, Ctrl-Z was a
convention adopted by the computer manufacturers as an EOF mark for the
new 8-bit tape-drive systems.

    ASCII became a computer problem in 1964 with IBM's announcement of
the 8-bit System/360 and its associated 8-bit (plus parity) tape drives.
The ANSI committee met to decide how to "embed" seven-bit ASCII in the
new 8-bit medium.  Officially, ASCII is still a 7-bit code: the eighth
(high-order) bit in "true" ASCII embodiments is always zero!  The eighth
bit was put to use (for desktop machines) in the IBM PC (1981) with the
IBM-defined "extended ASCII" that made the top 128 characters available
for keyboard input, but has never been adopted as an official standard.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     29-Aug-99 13:28:01
  To: John Thompson                                     29-Aug-99 13:28:01
Subj: Norton AV

(Excerpts from a message dated 08-27-99, John Thompson to Murray Lesser)

Hi John--

JT>Looking at the new virus listing with each signature update, it
  >appears almost all new viruses these days are not just
  >Windows-specific, but MS-Word/Office macro viruses.  That's good
  >for those of us who don't use Windows or other MS products but I
  >can't help but wonder how long it will be before somebody manages to
  >exploit Java as a virus distribution/execution environment. Then
  >OS/2 and even linux users would have something to worry about...

    "Malicious Applets" in Java are not new.  The book "Java Security"
(ISBN 0-471-17842-X) was written by McGraw and Felten in 1997 (Felten
was the Princeton programming expert who testified for the Feds in the
Microsoft trial).  Most of the malicious applets reported in that book
have been blocked by later versions of Java and by later browsers, but
new ones keep cropping up.  One of the inherent problems with Java
Applet security is that the browser is responsible for implementing much
of the available security rules, and a browser bug can be exploited to
let the wrong things come through.  (This is not a problem with Java
application programs that are not run from Web sites: if you ignore the
usual dangers associated with running any application written in any
language when you don't know where it came from!)  I am still leery
enough of Java Applets to not visit any Web site unless I know the
perpetrator, and I use WebEx rather than Netscape if the site allows it
(and I avoid "freeware" from unknown sources).

    I tend to avoid Web sites, in general, because I find dealing with
them is a frustrating experience, mostly due to poor design.  Given the
choice between ordering catalog merchandise on the Web, or calling with
an 800 number and talking to a person, I'll take the telephone every
time!  I imagine that I am not the only one who has reached this
conclusion. According to a recent survey, the use of on-line banking is
mow decreasing, rather than continuing to increase as expected.
Apparently, the Average Idiot Home User is also finding it harder to do
business on the Web than some merchants expected it to be :-(.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Bryan Schwartz                                    29-Aug-99 10:32:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Aug-99 08:45:24
Subj: config.sys

I'd like to thank you, and everyone else, for their advise with regards
to my 'config.sys' problem.  I found the solution! It's something I should
have learned a long time ago.
" Always read the readme files before trying to install something! "
In the MPTS directory on the OS/2v4 CD  CID\IMG\MPTS
is a readme file  README.MPT that I had overlooked. Apparently the
file \OS2\INSTALL\IBMLANLK.LST can prevent MPTS from installing sometimes.
Once I moved this small text file to a floppy ( I never delete stuff
since I almost always regret the deletion latter ) MPTS installed OK.
With MPTS installed OK, TCAPPS installed OK.  I can now get
onto the internet with Explorer and everything is working fine.
Thank you all for your assistance! 

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   29-Aug-99 23:17:02
  To: David Bowerman                                    30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: Copymania

David Bowerman wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> Agreed.  It was only put _in_ to CP/M in the first place because
 RJT> the CP/M directory structure does not store the exact size of a
 RJT> file.  It certainly doesn't have any place in a 32-bit OS...

 DB> The convention of using a ctrl-Z to denote EOF predates CP/M
 DB> by a fair chunk. 

 RJT> I wouldn't doubt it...

 RJT> Let's see,  I'll bet they used that in that RT-11 OS I played with
 RJT> back in '78 or so,  do you think?  :-)

 DB> I remember it from using a PDP-8 back in the early 70's. 
 DB> Not sure if it was an artifact of the OS or the editor used.

Funny you should mention that,  as I *have* a PDP-8,  and I'm not sure that
I'm gonna do much of anything with it...

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 08:33:27
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: Os2 & Dos

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 RW> *** Quoting Jack Stein to Leonard Erickson dated 08-25-99
 RW> *** 

> bit, which is your choice when you do backups with RAR or 
> PKZIP.  You 
> change the archive bit on full back-ups, on daily incremental backups 
> you don't reset the archive bit, so each day you get all changed files 

 RW> Sorry..  Differential backups do not reset the archive bit..
 RW>  Incremental backup does re-set it..

I see, my termonology is wrong.  I see two types of back-ups, one where you
set the archive bit, and one where you don't. 

 RW> You have been lucky with data so far..  When Murphy strikes,
 RW> you will know it..  :}

I don't think luck has anything to do with it.  I know I back up all my files
once a week, and all files that change since then daily.  I don't need 7 back
up files, just two, one full, and one partial, or incremental, or
differential, whatever name is given it.

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 08:55:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: A BIG sort...

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> Note that the "+n" stuff is the same, as is the /r for reverse. That 
 JS> seems to make them totally compatable?

 JDBP> The option on IBM's SORT is "/+n", not "+n".

Yes, IBM likes to be as wordy as possible.<g>  Actually, I don't think the gnu 
sort uses the "/" as a switch at all, just the "-" as a switch symbol.  So
it's -r not /r.  Total incompatability...  At any rate, I'd highly recommend
the gnu sort and delete the IBM/MS SORT.  He could use SED to go though all
his scripts to change sort /r's or /+n's to -r's and +n's...

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 09:14:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: File Managers

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Ken Shea:

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Ken Shea, [24 Aug 99  10:32:12] <=-

 JS> OS2C-124.ZIP   OS/2 Commander Norton Clone by Wolfgang Sarp (Sysop
 JS> Recommended)

 BL> Jack tells it like it is. I couldn't have said it any
 BL> better, well, maybe just a bit. {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

I'm still learning the English language... 18 years of English classes and I
knew how to talk when I walked into my first class in the early 50's... I
never did learn to spell, or to type very well either.  I think I slept during 
every single English class though, and I think it was a wise and useful option 
of which I do not regret<g>

 BL> BTW, FWIW, OS2C has not had any development or author
 BL> response since v 1.24 ca. 7-25-98. While FC/2 has continued
 BL> to be developed, and has an active listserver which permits
 BL> you to see all that others input, as well as the author's
 BL> response, a worthwhile perk. That said, every time I try it,
 BL> I come running back to OS2C. I expect that familiarity plays
 BL> a role here.

Yes, I think that is an important issue.  If I were looking now, I probably
would go with the one still under development, if for no other reason than to
support the guy still interested.  I think they are close enough in utility to 
use either, although I wouldn't swear to that, since I haven't used FC/2 for
other than brief testing.  All others failed the comparisons quickly in the
testing procedure.
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 09:25:21
  To: David Bowerman                                    30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: Copymania

David Bowerman wrote in a message to Bat Lang:

 BL> I've never dabbled with 4DOS but I am aware that there is an analog
 BL> for OS/2 called (oddly enough) 4OS2. {^; There are even some of the
 BL> folks in this echo that use 4OS2.  Right, FOLKS???
 BL> Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

 DB> Yep.  I use 4OS2 to replace OS/2 command processor and 4DOS
 DB> to replace COMMAND.COM in DOS boxes under OS/2.  I must
 DB> admit that I seldom dabble in batch programming since I
 DB> discovered REXX with OS/2 2.

Ditto here.  About half of 4OS2 and 4DOS utility is in the batch extensions,
and at least in OS/2, they are not that much of an extension, since REXX is
available.  The other half though, the command line enhancements and so on
still make 4OS2 a must have application.  IBM would have been much better off
buying Rex Conn and the 4DOS stuff for a few bucks than wasting $3,000,000,000 
on Lotus.  

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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 09:36:21
  To: Peter Knapper                                     30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: A BIG sort...

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> I have never used the original OS/2 sort, but I have 
 JS> sortorg.exe I renamed here, and it shows only a /R for 
 JS> reverse, and +n for the column?

 PK> The one situation I was wanting a replacement, the SORT
 PK> commandline was generated by another application so I did
 PK> not have the option of converting the parameters to the
 PK> different format without some trikery. 

Yes, that would definitly be a problem.  Highly unusual for an executible to
hard code an external application into it's code though.  I've done it myself
for personal stuff, but would not do it with anything published, particularly
a sort routine.

 PK> I also remember there
 PK> were other subtle differences such as explicit column
 PK> numbering started from 0 (GNU) instead of 1 (default sort),
 PK> although you could specify a different base if wanted. By
 PK> default it also seemed to handle data values as WORDS. To
 PK> get plain column based sorting required explicit range
 PK> specification as such. I found the differences annoying to
 PK> me at the time, although I could see how they could be
 PK> useful for other tasks. 

The only annoying thing I found was that IBM and MS would foist such a lame,
incompetant SORT utility on the public.  I'd be ashamed to have something that 
limited associated with my name, let alone a giant computer mega-company.  In
fact, a brief look at command.com and cmd.exe, compared to 4DOS, 4OS/2 and
Unix shells clearly shows that IBM and MS have had their collective heads
deeply placed where the sun don't shine for what, 15-20 years now?  
               
I know that has not much to do with solving your problem, but I need to lift
my arm pits and air them out occasionally.<g>
               
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 09:48:23
  To: Peter Knapper                                     30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: A BIG sort...

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 MR> 32-Bit BIGsort V4.4(C)1988-93 Turgut 

 JS> Let me know how that one works... it never worked at 
 JS> all here, or very poorly. I deleted it from my system 
 JS> several years ago, perhaps an early version?

 PK> It appears there were 2 versions released fairly close
 PK> together, 4.2 and 4.4, about 2 months apart. A quick test
 PK> with 4.4 shows that its syntax is identical to standard SORT
 PK> and it worked fine on my one test. More testing is needed to
 PK> check it out fully. 

OK, I'll have to look for that one.  The GNU one does most of what I want
though, but I did use a DOS one once called QSORT that was very powerful.
 
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From: Jack Stein                                        29-Aug-99 09:54:21
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: Os2 & Dos

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> I've never lost a tape drive. But I have had tapes go bad
 LE> after only moderate use (I won't buy Maxell tapes anymore!).
 LE> And I've had floppies turn out to be unreadable. 

I've lost 3, and worse, in between losing the drive itself, the tapes and
backups were the most un-reliable hardware I've ever owned.  Pretty sad for
something who's only purpose in life was to be a reliable device...

 LE> Also, it's possible to have a power glitch in the middle of
 LE> a backup, which pretty much *ruins* ANY type of backup. And
 LE> in the case of your "use a second HD" method, you are stuck
 LE> without a safety net. 

I figure if the chances of me needing a back-up (very remote) and a power
glitch occuring at the same time (also very remote) must be astronomical.  I
guess it'll happen tonight, since you made me say that... I'll be yelling at
you if it does, assuming I can ever get back on-line.:-)

 LE> I've never been interested in the tape units that attach to
 LE> floppy controllers. What I preferred back in the late 80s
 LE> were the Everex units that used what looked like normal
 LE> cassettes (except for a notch cut in the back of the case).
 LE> They came in two varieties, 20 meg and 60 meg. 

We have a 60 meg tape back-up on our unix systems at work.  Never had a
problem with that thing, had the big cassets, not the little ones the home
systems have.  It was slow though, but, been running daily since 1988-1999, I
guess it still is working, haven't looked at it or the system in several years 
now.  About all they do is run my back-up every day...  We took a giant step
backwards at work, and now run MS junk-ware.

 LE> These days, I'm storing stuff I don't need only all the time
 LE> on Zip disks. And I've got the most important drive on my
 LE> file server mirrored, so everything is written on *two*
 LE> drives. If one fails, I'll get an error message on the
 LE> server. But it'll keep running.  

Yep, thats the way to do it.  Only problem is you never need a backup when you 
have backups working.  They are good insurance to make sure everything keeps
working more than anything else...

                                              Jack 
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From: James Mckenzie                                    29-Aug-99 13:58:16
  To: Christer Jacobsson                                30-Aug-99 09:18:02
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Christer!

29 Aug 99 00:40, Christer Jacobsson wrote to Frits Spieker:

 CJ> Pray, show me *how* I should fill in the critical fields, i.e. name,
 CJ> userID, phone, email adress and so on to gain access to the download
 CJ> aera! And no, I have Cookies enabled for ALL sites, blowing your
 CJ> theory to kingdom come! By the way, I've changed NS/2 so it won't EVER
 CJ> check documents in the cache against the Web but to no avail. I've
 CJ> changed the Settings->Advanced->Cache-> Document in cache is compared
 CJ> to document on network->NEVER, but NS/2 STILL "freezes" my desktop
 CJ> 5-20 seconds every minute! Explain that!

 CJ> I have tried literally EVERYTHING. but I'm always refused access with
 CJ> an access code #53, #54 or #57. For example, HOW do i enter a CORRECT
 CJ> international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've
 CJ> tried both +46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were
 CJ> accepted as

You cannot. The "fortified" version of Netscape is restricted by US law to
the United States and Canada.

 CJ> I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called
 CJ> custom-friendly policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM
 CJ> utterly. If IBM:s release code of NS/2 4.61 is shipped with this dumb
 CJ> download constraints, then I'll switch to Communicator 4.61/win31, or
 CJ> Opera for that matter, as long as I can go away from this IBM crappy
 CJ> software as soon as possible.

Only the 128 bit version.  I do not know if Fortify is available for what is
essentially a beta version.

 CJ> A last-ditch prayer: Can *someone* outside US show me ECACTLY what a
 CJ> VALID international telephone number & an international accepted ZIP
 CJ> code should be constructed so that non-US telephone customer can
 CJ> access the download sites?

You should be able to access the download site for the 40 bit version.

AS A WORD OF NOTE:  IBM IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE THE FRENCH LAW WHICH REQUIRES
YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE "INTERNATIONAL:FRANCE" VERSION.

James

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From: Gene Tucker                                       30-Aug-99 19:04:00
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    30-Aug-99 19:04:00
Subj: *Free* Multi Pop3/Smtp P

In a message dated 08-28-99, Stephen Haffly said to August Abolins:


SH>On (27 Aug 99) August Abolins wrote to all...

SH>Hi August,

 AA> Does there exist a good (and free) PM-based multi pop3/smtp account
 AA> email program for OS/2?

SH>Check www.innoval.com.  IIRC, they were letting PostRoad Mailer 3.0 for
SH>OS/2 be used for home use free.  Whether that has changed or not, I
SH>don't know.  It wouldn't hurt to check though.


and the good news is it is free the bad news is that it won't be updated
anymore
as Innoval bows out of the OS/2 market.
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From: James Byrnes                                      30-Aug-99 19:18:00
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    30-Aug-99 19:18:00
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp p

On 08-28-1999, Stephen Haffly wrote to August Abolins about "*free*
multi pop3/smtp pm:"

Hi Stephen,

SH>  AA> Does there exist a good (and free) PM-based multi pop3/smtp account
SH>  AA> email program for OS/2?
SH> 
SH> Check www.innoval.com.  IIRC, they were letting PostRoad Mailer
SH> 3.0 for OS/2 be used for home use free.  Whether that has changed or
SH> not, I don't know.  It wouldn't hurt to check though.
SH> 
SH> 

Actually, all their OS/2 stuff is free now according to a message from
Innoval on Warpcast.  They are dropping out of the OS/2 market. 
Postroad, Jstreet & Webwilly are all on Hobbes now.

Regards,  Jim

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From: Will Honea                                        29-Aug-99 23:54:00
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    29-Aug-99 23:54:00
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp p

Stephen Haffly wrote to August Abolins on 08-28-1999

SH> Check www.innoval.com.  IIRC, they were letting PostRoad Mailer
SH> 3.0 for OS/2 be used for home use free.  Whether that has changed or
SH> not, I don't know.  It wouldn't hurt to check though. 

You won't find it there.  You can find it on the Hobbes site
(hobbes.nmsu.edu) or at:

http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval

Innoval has dropped OS/2 support but they made several programs
available fro free download AND DISTRIBUTION.  Postroad Mailer requires
a serial number which is available at the yahoo site.  If you get it
from Hobbes, use 31571728 to 'regiater' it.


Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        29-Aug-99 23:57:01
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  29-Aug-99 23:57:01
Subj: Re: Beware of shoddy dea

Rich Wonneberger wrote to Jeffrey J. Counsil on 08-29-1999

RW> *** Quoting Jeffrey J. Counsil to Ian Singer dated 08-28-99 ***
RW> > IS> Not true at all.  Some software is provided in such a way that the
RW> > IS> licence fee is paid, and its installed on the hard drive by the 
RW> > dealer
RW> > IS> but that there are no original CDs or floppies.
RW> > 
RW> > Does Packard Smell ring a bell? ;-)
RW> 
RW> Even they provided a restore CD which install'd the orig apps..  
RW> 
RW> Rich

Not the ones I saw from Walmart - all they provided was a program to
copy the install data from the hard drive to floppies:  Too cheap to
even supply a CD!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea                                        30-Aug-99 20:05:02
  To: Murray Lesser                                     30-Aug-99 20:05:02
Subj: Copymania

Murray Lesser wrote to Roy J. Tellason on 08-29-1999

ML>    Ctrl-Z (1fh) has been part of the ASCII 7-bit code since its
ML> beginning (around 1960, IIRC).  The first three of the four
ML> "separator" control characters, 1ch through 1eh (<FS>, <GS>, and
ML> <RS>) were originally intended for data transmission segment
ML> separators.  IIRC, Ctrl-Z <US> was the "user-defined separator" to be used 
in other
ML> environments.  IMO, ASCII was originally devised to accommodate
ML> AT&T, who realized that the 5-bit Baudot code (used previously for
ML> TTY systems) was no longer sufficient for "modern" data
ML> transmission.  The computer manufacturers were snookered into going
ML> along with the 7-bit idea, because (at the time) nobody (except IBM)
ML> was contemplating any computer character codes having more than six
ML> bits (and IBM wasn't making public noises about System/360 at the
ML> time).  Later, Ctrl-Z was a convention adopted by the computer
ML> manufacturers as an EOF mark for the new 8-bit tape-drive systems. 

These codes were also implemented by certain terminals, such as the
TTY Model 33 and 34 which had paper tape punches.  They served to
generate leaders, tear lines, etc. to the best of my recollection. 
Along with the 'BELL' command and a few others they were command and
control operators. They were also used as rudimentary steering
commands, so they did have a real use - thankfully long since
abandoned.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   29-Aug-99 15:48:29
  To: Ruth Argust                                       31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Video card

On Saturday August 28 1999 at 00:44, Ruth Argust wrote to Rich Wonneberger:

 RA> Actually we are :) But we did drive to Fry's in the San Fernando
 RA> Valley and were told by one of the salesmen that they are no longer
 RA> sold in retail stores, which came as a surprise to us!

I suspect that'd come as a surprise to Matrox, too.  The G200 models have been 
superceded by the G400s, but Matrox cards are still sold at retail.

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From: Ben Ritchey                                       29-Aug-99 18:44:13
  To: David Bowerman                                    31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Re: Booting

CHRS: IBMPC 2

* Previously, David Bowerman & Ben Ritchey :

 DB> The simple answer is that you can't.  The partition table only allows
 DB> for 4 entries.  You have three primary and 1 extended partition

Found that out, but thanks for feedback <g>

    Be well,

      Ben    aka CMech  http://Positron.org/cmech/

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From: Ben Ritchey                                       29-Aug-99 18:45:17
  To: John Thompson                                     31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Re: Backup

CHRS: IBMPC 2

* Previously, John Thompson & Ben Ritchey :

 JT> the latest release.  In any case, I use InfoZip's ZIP.EXE to back
 JT> up my wife's laptop and have used UNZIP.EXE to restore to a bare
 JT> HD on that machine and it worked fine.

You wouldn't have the syntax/switches handy? Grabbed Infozip this Pm.

    Be well,

      Ben    aka CMech  http://Positron.org/cmech/

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Aug-99 09:14:14
  To: Ian Singer                                        31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

Ian Singer wrote in a message to Albert Sodyl:

AS> I didn't buy anything, I get everything for free 10 gigs of
AS> anything you want for free along with a new computer.

 IS> In most cases, unless it is being specifically written for
 IS> you, you dont buy software, you only buy a licence to use
 IS> it. If you read a lot of agreements first of all you will
 IS> find that by opening the package you agree to their terms,
 IS> then you will find that you can not read their terms without
 IS> opening the package, then you will see that at any time they
 IS> consider the agreement to have been broken they can request
 IS> back all their software (originals and copies).

And from what I hear,  a lot of the stuff in those "shrinkwrap licenses" can
be considered more or less unenforceable...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Aug-99 09:15:27
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: config.sys

Bryan Schwartz wrote in a message to Eddy Thilleman:

 BS> Once I moved this small text file to a floppy ( I never delete 
 BS> stuff since I almost always regret the deletion latter ) 

It's quicker to just rename it to something else...

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  30-Aug-99 11:28:27
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Russell!

24 Aug 99 17:17, Russell Tiedt wrote to All:
 RT> I am trying to install Fixpack 38 for WARP3 to WARP3 CONNECT, but I
 RT> get the following error on running  "fpinst WARP3"
 RT> CSF0257: No product has been selected.
    Use latest kicker package. For example 1.39 or newer.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... OS/2...Opens up Windows, shuts up Gates.
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  30-Aug-99 11:30:23
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Is the world about to get a CLU?

Hello Jonathan!

26 Aug 99 07:47, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to All:
 JP> I direct the attention of all of my OS2CLU pre-release testers to the
 JP> message that I just posted in the OS2CLU echo (which some of you
 JP> receive as a mailing list, and may not read frequently -- because it
 JP> has been rather quiet of late -- hence the reason that I'm also
 JP> posting this notice in this echo).  Please note the rather short
 JP> timescale.  This has been dictated by personal circumstances. I'd
 JP> appreciate a response *as soon as possible* within the next few days.
    What is CLU?

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... Windows?  Homey don't play that!
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From: Holger Granholm                                   29-Aug-99 21:48:00
  To: David Noon                                        31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Windows NT is not based

In a message dated 08-27-99, Sean Dennis said to David Noon:

SD>22 Aug 99 13:01, you wrote to me:

 DN> Well, the Wartburg [or was it Wartberg? I can never remember] was an
 DN> East German car with the bodywork made from compressed cardboard (!!).
 DN> A crash in one of those was usually fatal for the driver and all the
 DN> passengers, so you can see the design parallel in Winslug NT.

Actually the Wartburg had a steel body. It was the Trabant that had the
"cardboard" shell.

SD>Unfortunatly, due to bad hardware, my OS/2 system likes to barf a
SD>lot, but I still have faith in it. :)  I have to set up an NT
SD>machine for college, but I'm going to learn how to set up my
SD>OS/2-BBS machine as the main server for my "HouseholdNet".

Actually, I'm afraid to do anything to my OS/2 systems because they are
so stable. Sooner or later however I have to apply a FixPak to make them
y2k compliant.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: LEE ARONER                                        29-Aug-99 22:40:00
  To: GEORGE WHITE                                      31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Hpfs, Hpfs386

WH>LA>    386HPFS was developed solely by IBM, after the breakup, Check it
WH>LA>    out with a hex editor, you will see that the only copyright is by
WH>LA>    IBM, whereas a lot of the Win/OS2 files still have joint
WH>LA>    copyrights.

WH>Another urban rumor bites the dust, I guess.  Makes the pricing
WH>structure even stranger - but fortunately we're upgrading from Warp
WH>Server Advanced.  In a loaded server environment it's worth the price
WH>even at list.

GW> I don't think Lee has it quite right. I remember Mary Moynaham
  > (she worked on OS/2 file system drivers while OS/2 was still at
  > Boca) saying that HPFS386 was written by MS in assembler, so there was
  > very little they could do with it. She also said they were considering
  > re-writing it in C to enable them to enhance it, and I suspect if LEE is
  > looking at a recent version this is why there is no MS copyright on it.
  > If I can dig out archives from the period, (if I still have them, it was
  > several years ago) I'll check my recollections and post any corrections.

   George, what I posted was worked out in discussions with Dennis 
   Tonn about 9 months ago, and from IBM documentation, including an 
   interview with the then OS/2 chief architect (whose name I can't 
   recall).

   I suspect what you will come up with is that HPFS was written by 
   MS, and the 386 extensions were started at MS and rewritten 
   entirely at IBM.

   If I get the chance, (and still have em), I'll post you some of 
   the messages from that thread...

   In any case, even if it was a re-write job, the effect is still 
   the same: MS has no rights to 386, which explains why they don't 
   support it. It also probably explains why it works so well.

   [Later...]

   Here's what Dennis had to say (7/98) about the topic:


====================[start schnip]============================

 HPFS386 was originally written for Lan Manager and IBM Lan Server 
(both OS/2 server products). There was both IBM and MS code (and 
copyrights) in the original. 
 I am not privy to the legal arrangements between IBM and MS, but my 
understanding is that IBM got paid more for MS use of HPFS386 than MS
got paid for IBM's use of this code. In fact, this was true for the
licensing ratio between IBM and MS during Win3.1 and OS/2 2.0 too (and 
probably one of the big drivers to stop Win3.1 support after Win95 was
released).

 The HPFS386 agreement was separated from the general discussions 
during the "split" between IBM and MS. Different rules applied than 
for the rest of the OS/2 product. 

 HPFS386 has been 100% IBM written for a while now (around Lan Server 
3-4 days they removed the last vestiges of MS code). It has never been 
100% MS owned (or written).

 Of particular significance is that NT has never supported the HPFS386 
extensions to the file system (integrated user access rights, etc). In
fact, Lan Manager versions have never supported the dynamic buffer
sizing and later extensions of HPFS386, so we can guess at the time 
frame when the MS code was phased out. 

 The "rewrite" you found discussed in the 92-93 time frame was an all 
IBM project. I doubt MS had access to the rewritten code (but anything
is possible). 


   Denis       

====================[end schnip]===============================


                                             LRA


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   30-Aug-99 14:38:13
  To: Murray Lesser                                     31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Norton AV

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to John Thompson:

 ML>     I tend to avoid Web sites, in general, because I find 
 ML> dealing with them is a frustrating experience, mostly due to 
 ML> poor design.

Yeah,  some of the guys that put that stuff together ought to be made to try
and _use_ it,  maybe...

 ML> Given the choice between ordering catalog merchandise on the 
 ML> Web, or calling with an 800 number and talking to a person, 
 ML> I'll take the telephone every time!

You mean there are still companies out there that you can call where you
actually get a _person_ on the other end of a phone call?  I didn't think
there were any left!

 ML> I imagine that I am not the only one who has reached this 
 ML> conclusion. 

That's for sure.

 ML> According to a recent survey, the use of on-line banking is mow 
 ML> decreasing, rather than continuing to increase as expected. 
 ML> Apparently, the Average Idiot Home User is also finding it 
 ML> harder to do business on the Web than some merchants expected 
 ML> it to be :-(.

I'll bet that this is exactly the same phenomenon that came around in the
early days of personal computers,  when there was some truly awful stuff out
there.  And,  just like then,  somebody who's got the right marketing savvy
stands to make a *pile* of money at it.

The ones that really get me are those that say you need to be running certain
software to get at them,  whether it's an anti-M$ bias showing by asking for
netscape,  a M$-bias showing by asking for IE,  or the site's designer so
wrapped up in their own ego trips that they *insist* that you be running the
latest version of stuff,  whether it be the browser,  java,  assorted
plug-ins,  or whatever the case may be so that they can "show off their
stuff"! 

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                30-Aug-99 15:00:08
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

29 Aug 99 00:50, Albert Sodyl wrote to STEWART HONSBERGER:

 SH>> Sounds to me like your friend the computer dealer is looking for
 SH>> trouble. I'm not judging his actions, I'm just stating that under
 SH>> Canadian law he could end up being fined, or possibly losing his
 SH>> business.

 AS> He is not a friend, he is a local computer dealer in the 
 AS> lowermainland. He is licensed to distribute software with your pc, I 
 AS> repeat he is licensed.

"I repeat" - it's illegal. You can't install software on people's
machines without providing the original medium and (optionally)
documentation. That's known as piracy.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... I am not opinionated... I am just always right
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From: Albert Sodyl                                      29-Aug-99 00:35:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Need OS/2

Hey Bob Wright, what's up?

Bob Wright was heard grumbling this to Albert Sodyl about Need OS/2!

 BW> Greetings, Albert...

 BW> Albert Sodyl hastily said to Darren Ryall:

 DR>>> I know for a fact that you can buy copies down there, I used to
 DR>>> live in Vancouver.  The absolute best thing that you can do is
 DR>>> to get onto the IBM BBS down there and get into their message
 DR>>> bases.

 AS>> I don't know what the phone number to the IBM BBS is and I never
 AS>> heard of it.  If it's long distance then I can't call it.

 BW> Unfortunately the Vancouver IBM BBS got shut down earlier this
 BW> year.  Yet another victim of WWW-itis....

Yup, that's a shame for me.

 BW> I wasn't absolutely sure, though, so I just tried the number(s) I
 BW> had for it and they don't answer.

Then there is no hope for me I guess....say goodbye to OS/2 for me.




... OS/2?!? What is that? Half an operating system?

 ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----

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From: Ruth Argust                                       30-Aug-99 17:41:17
  To: Steven Thompson                                   31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Video card

Hi Steven,

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RA> Is anyone using an ATI or any other brand of video card who can
 RA> recommend it?

 ST> From what I've seen, ATI are quite well supported by OS/2.  A word
 ST> of warning, though.  Don't buy the LATEST ATI card, since it may
 ST> not yet have a driver for OS/2.

I visited the OS/2 device repository and came up with a list of supported
cards but having drivers and delivering performance may be two different
things :) Hearing from someone that their cards indeed works well is the
better recommendation.

And you are correct, the newer S9 (I believe it was) by ATI does not have OS/2 
drivers.

                                *ruth*
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From: Ruth Argust                                       30-Aug-99 18:11:02
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Video card

Hi Rich,

Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RW> The G-200 isnt the best, but works fine..  The G-400 is over double
 RW> the price!!  It does have more memory, but I dont need more then I
 RW> have now..

I surely will consider that.

 RW> In the OS2HW echo you can get a technical difference between the 
 RW> 2, as the guru's there are more qualified then me.. Also 
 RW> matrox.com could list the differences.. 

Good idea, I will check their web pages. Thank you.

                              *ruth*

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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Aug-99 12:19:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Devcon

LA>   Murray:  I don't suppose you'd consider selling those unused CD's
LA>   to a programmer who is expanding from DOS to OS/2, but can't
LA>   afford a subscription, would you?

Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
Server for e-Business.

www.developer.ibm.com

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Aug-99 12:22:01
  To: Steven Thompson                                   31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

ST>I am having problems running DOS4GW based games in an OS/2
ST>DOS session.  First, I am wondering if this is even
ST>possible, and second, I am wondering how I might tweak my
ST>setup to allow this to happen.

Set DPMI memory to 64M, for some reason, less often doesn't work, it
doesn't matter how much memory you actually have.  DPMI_DOS_API to
enabled.  I haven't heard of that game, so I don't have any specific
suggestions. I have run a number of other DOS4GW based games with no
problems.  If you have any other games you are having problems with, let
us know.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        30-Aug-99 17:00:02
  To: Ian Moote                                         31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Pesky directory.

IM>I've got a pesky subdirectory here that won't delete.

You could try dragging it to a floppy, then formatting that.

Rob.
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From: Ruth Argust                                       30-Aug-99 18:21:20
  To: Gene Tucker                                       31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Video Card

Hi Gene,

Gene Tucker wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 GT> Ruth if you guys have Internet then you can connect to many mail
 GT> order places to get one. Hint don't get the lowest price you see
 GT> especialy if it is Buysoftware.com.

I have given up looking in the computer stores and am going to check out
pricewatch.com and some others to let my fingers do the walking. If I need a
backup, I can always use the S3 Trio 64V+ that I have not and am not fond of
:)

                              *ruth*

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From: Ruth Argust                                       30-Aug-99 18:23:18
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Video card

Hi Coridon.

Coridon Henshaw wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RA> Actually we are :) But we did drive to Fry's in the San Fernando
 RA> Valley and were told by one of the salesmen that they are no longer
 RA> sold in retail stores, which came as a surprise to us!

 CH> I suspect that'd come as a surprise to Matrox, too.  The G200
 CH> models have been superceded by the G400s, but Matrox cards are
 CH> still sold at retail. 

If we had the time, my "S-O", Gerry, wanted to visit the Fry's in Manhattan
Beach and get one (assuming that they would have one in stock). Then call up
the saleman in the other Fry's and tell him that his info was a bit incorrect
:) As it was, we ran short of time -:(

                              *ruth*

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         28-Aug-99 23:30:09
  To: John Thompson                                     31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: 4 digit years

 JT> I've never seen 4-digit years displayed in a commnd-line 
 JT> directory listing.

You have now:

        0 $z [C:\temp]dir *.txt

        The volume label in drive C: is WARP.
        The Volume Serial Number is 6c01:ab46.

        Directory of: *.txt

        1999-04-27 08:18:04        307          0 ______ TAGLINES.TXT
        1997-01-21 19:30:56       1427          0 ______ TEARLINE.TXT
                   1734 bytes in          2 files found.
                   2048 bytes allocated.
             3378661376 bytes free
        0 $z [C:\temp]

  JdeBP 

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From: Sean Dennis                                       30-Aug-99 13:36:19
  To: August Abolins                                    31-Aug-99 12:49:19
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp pm email client

Hello August.

27 Aug 99 12:00, you wrote to all:

 AA> Does there exist a good (and free) PM-based multi pop3/smtp account
 AA> email program for OS/2?

Hope this helps. :)

=== Cut ===

              Coming August 1999 -- Inet.Mail Pro 1.5
         Virtual domains on a single ip address, increased
     performance, and more from the best mail server for OS/2.
            http://www.hethmon.com -- sales@hethmon.com
****************************** WarpCast ******************************

Source: Dan Porter (porter@innoval.com)
Moderator: Christopher B. Wright (wrightc@dtcweb.com)
**********************************************************************

Effective immediately, InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc. is
withdrawing the following products from marketing and
support.

Post Road Mailer for OS/2
J Street Mailer for Java
Web Willy Watch for OS/2

Anyone may download free copies of these products from our
online store at http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval. In
addition, anyone may freely distribute executable copies of
the software through online software repositories and
websites. You are encouraged to do so because we will only
be able to keep them in our online store for a limited time.
If you distribute the Post Road Mailer you must also
distribute a serial number to allow a user to activate the
product. You may use a serial number you received from us in
the past (for release 3.0), or you may use serial number
31571728. You may also post serial numbers in newsgroups and
websites. Online orders, for these specific products, placed
with us during the last sixty days, have not been processed
and customers' credit cards have not been charged. These
orders will be cancelled and customers are free to keep and
use the downloaded code that they received when they placed
their order.

For me, personally, this is a sad day. Our company tried to
hang in as long as possible with OS/2. OS/2 is still my
favorite platform and OS/2 customers are the best customers
our company ever had. I have made many good friends through
my associations with all of you. You'll still see me popping
in at OS/2 users group meetings throughout the country when
my travels coincide with a meeting.

Our company continues to do very well. The consulting side
of the business has always been strong. The most exciting
area of business, however, is Iceptur. Iceptur is our new
Internet filtering software for the Windows 95/98/NT
platform. Despite the fact that there are over two hundred
competitors in this market niche, we are experiencing
phenomenal success. This is partly because of the unique
technology we developed and partly because there is a strong
demand for high quality Internet filtering solutions
(release 2.0 will hit the streets by September 5th). We have
entered into a number of strategic alliances with several
companies to market Iceptur and license the underlying
technology for use in other products.

I need, now, to focus all of InnoVal's resources on Iceptur
and our consulting business. I tried, during the past year,
to juggle resources but in doing so was not doing the right
kind of job for our customers, the OS/2 community at-large,
InnoVal's employees, or InnoVal's owners. You made the Post
Road Mailer into the number one email client for OS/2. You
worked with us on J Street Mailer as we tried to negotiate a
platform independent course with Java. You have my thanks
and the thanks of everyone at InnoVal.

We are moving on to bigger things, but not better. OS/2 was
better and (oh, how I wish) it could have been big.

Thanks again,

Dan Porter, President
InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.





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From: Charles Gaefke                                    29-Aug-99 19:19:14
  To: Christer Jacobsson                                31-Aug-99 12:49:19
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator

CJ> I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called
custom-frien
CJ> policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM utterly. If IBM:s release
co
CJ> of NS/2 4.61 is shipped with this dumb download constraints, then I'll
swit
CJ> to Communicator 4.61/win31, or Opera for that matter, as long as I can go
a
CJ> from this IBM crappy software as soon as possible.

    Can someone tell me exactly where this page is?  I've heard about NS 4.61 
for OS/2 a couple times now.. but I'm not able to find it.

    The link at home.netscape.com points to internet.ibm.com, but I have yet 
to be able to get to that page.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


... Follow your dreams!

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From: Frits Spieker                                     30-Aug-99 20:02:00
  To: Christer Jacobsson                                01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Netscape Communicator

And then Christer Jacobsson mumbled something about 'Netscape Communicator'.

Well, taking into consideration that it took you 3 tries to post the message I 
am responding to now, I won't rule out user induced error at the start, but
here goes:


 CJ> Pray, show me *how* I should fill in the critical fields, i.e. name,
 CJ> userID, phone, email adress and so on to gain access to the download
 CJ> aera! And no, I have Cookies enabled for ALL sites, blowing your
 CJ> theory to kingdom come!

It was not a theory, just a question. Maybe there is a "rude moron" filter in
use at IBM?


 CJ> Explain that!

Maybe it doesn't like you yelling at it?


 CJ> international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've
 CJ> tried both +46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were
 CJ> accepted as

If you entered the country correctly, you only have to fill in your area code
and subscriber number. In your case that would probably be something like
0600-500xxx.
If you do insist on filling in the whole thing, try (+46)-60500xxx. (That
worked for me: (+31)-1024xxxxxx.

 CJ> I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called
 CJ> custom-friendly policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM
 CJ> utterly.

Well, if that is your desire, why then don't you do what could be better for
your health; wipe OS/2 of your HD, install Windows 98 and start whining in the 
Windows support areas that your registry got corrupted again and that you have 
to re-install Win98 yet again?

 CJ> A last-ditch prayer: Can *someone* outside US show me ECACTLY what a
 CJ> VALID international telephone number & an international accepted ZIP
 CJ> code should be constructed so that non-US telephone customer can
 CJ> access the download sites?

If you would have taken a deep breath, some valium and a walk around the block 
and *then* looked at my origin, you would have noticed that I *am* outside of
the US.

My zipcode is 3063 HA and I entered it as such. Was accepted. My telephone
number (locally) is 010-242xxxx and both that version *and* the
"international" version (+31)-10242xxxx were accepted.

If that does not work for you, than "tough shit", but don't blame IBM for your 
"mistakes".


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From: Ian Moote                                         31-Aug-99 10:38:00
  To: ROB BASLER                                        01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Pesky directory.

RB> IM>I've got a pesky subdirectory here that won't delete.
RB>
RB> You could try dragging it to a floppy, then formatting that.

Oooo -- forgot about _that_ trick! [:) I don't think the "move" will 
work, but I'll give it a shot in a few minutes. Actually, I haven't 
tried renaming it yet, either. Might be worth a shot.

Thanks! Take care and TTYL.

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From: Jan Deboer                                        31-Aug-99 08:13:29
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

On 30 Aug 99  15:00:16 Stewart Honsberger wrote to Albert Sodyl...

 AS> He is not a friend, he is a local computer dealer in the
 AS> lowermainland. He is licensed to distribute software with your pc, I
 AS> repeat he is licensed.

 SH> "I repeat" - it's illegal. You can't install software on people's
 SH> machines without providing the original medium and (optionally)
 SH> documentation. That's known as piracy.

WRONG! "I repeat - WRONG!" In order to offer budget-priced systems,
dealers can be licensed by Microsoft to "pre-install" an operating
system on a computer's hard drive, without providing any documentation,
manuals, or "original medium" copy of the OS. (A copy of the "license"
_IS_ provided!) On such installations, the purchaser is not entitled to
any support from Microsoft, but must rely on the dealer. I know, from
personal experience, that this is done by 3D Micro, distributors of IPC
and Bondwell computers, and by Toshiba, on entry-level machines. The
operating system software, Windows 95 in the cases I'm familiar with,
allowed the purchaser to make ONE, and only one, set of floppies that
contain the operating system, allowing re-installation of the system in
case of HD failure, or user screwup, from those floppies. Of course, a
knowledgeable user can easily defeat the "one-time" restriction, and
make multiple copies. The systems I encountered came with a coupon which
allowed the purchaser to send for a CD-ROM copy of the OS for $20, if
they didn't want to bother with the DIY floppies, or wanted a copy on CD
as well. BTW, it took over FORTY floppies to make the back-up of the W95
OS. By eliminating the CD, floppies, manual, and Microsoft support, this
arrangment allowed vendors to offer barebones systems at rock bottom
prices. Otherwise, cash-strapped purchasers would likely buy a cheap
system without an OS, and install their own (pirated) copy of the OS.
With the "pre-installed" OS, at least Microsoft got their license fee,
although probably less than they got from the full monty, but they still
win, because they don't have to provide any support. As well, they KNOW
that the buyer will soon get suckered for an "upgrade" anyway!


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From: Steven Thompson                                   30-Aug-99 22:45:25
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Java OS/2

Hello Bryan.

20 Jun 99 09:32, you wrote to All:

 BS> OS/2 Warp Development Kit for Java and Runtime Environment
 BS> Sun Java 2 technology   preview version 1.1.8
 BS> http://www.ibm.com/software/os/warp/downloads/java

I was under the impression that it was a full release.  At least, the copy I
have is.  :)

Steve.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       30-Aug-99 00:30:00
  To: ALBERT SODYL                                      01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

Some senseless babbling from Albert Sodyl to Mark Lewis
on 08-23-99  20:06 about Beware of shoddy dealers...

 AS> * MOOD: Could not be better :)

 AS> Hey MARK LEWIS, what's up?

 AS> MARK LEWIS was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about Beware of
 AS> shoddy dealers!
 
 AS>>> (There's this guy I know, when you buy a computer from him, he
 AS>>> can add any commercial software on your computer [without the
 AS>>> CDs] and any games, [...]

 JdBP>> As soon as you added the phrase "[without the CDs]" alarm bells
 JdBP>> started ringing.  Be very wary of a computer dealer who doesn't
 JdBP>> give you the original installation discs along with
 
 ML> what he said, albert!! if i were in your shoes, i'd be asking some
 ML> serious questions and looking elsewhere... this has all the
 ML> earmarks of fraud, piracy, and thievery...

 AS> Lets explain it one more time.... I GET THE PROGRAMS FOR FREE... and I
 AS> DON'T CARE HOW HE PUTS THEM ON MY COMPUTER... I JUST want them
 AS> there.... he says he is licensed to distribute software like
 AS> that...especially OS/2. 

Ever hear the term "willful ignorance"?  It has a special legal meaning.  
If it can be demonstrated that you intentionally maintained ignorance of a 
criminal act of which you took part, then that ignorance is not a legal 
defense.  That is, receiving stolen goods cannot be prosecuted if you were 
unaware of their nature, but not if you were deliberately unaware.  Buying 
a stolen television from an electronics store, for example, would make you 
justifiably ignorant.  Buying one from someone on the street (especially 
without a box) would leave you deliberately ignorant, as a reasonable 
person would under those circumstances understand the television to be 
stolen.

If your computer dealer is brought up on charges for his piracy (if he 
indeed is doing that - and it seems likely, going by your description), you 
(and any other customers taking your stance) would also be liable, for 
receiving the stolen property, intellectual though it may be.  And given 
your attitude towards finding out whether or not he is acting legitimately, 
ignorance would be no defense.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Aug-99 09:27:02
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Need OS/2

Hi Albert,

29 Aug 99, Albert Sodyl of 1:153/307 wrote to EDDY THILLEMAN:

AS> Well that yes, but things that are not as easy. For example
AS> your Hard Drive.

Why do you say "my hard drive is not easy"? I don't see any difficulty (at
least not for me).

AS> I know and that's why I'm in them, but I'm going to
AS> disconnect from this one soon I think because I'm getting too
AS> many messages, 

I know the feeling, but this is not a reason for me to disconnect, just read
messages later or not all messages.

AS> I can't read them all, you're lucky that I answered your mail.

My message editor collects all mail addressed to me so I can answer them
first.

AS> I'm a programmer myself, not very good since I'm only starting
AS> out in C and I also do heavy Basic programming now adays, no
AS> OS/2 programming though.

What do you mean with "heavy programming"? No other languages than Basic and
beginning in C? I program in Clipper, Pascal, assembler, REXX.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Aug-99 09:34:10
  To: Andy Roberts                                      01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Andy,

29 Aug 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

AR> Subj : [WarpCast] CDRecord/2 V1.8a24 released

I just read that yesterday myself.

It didn't hung or trap.

AR> Might suggest to him to lower the Sync speed more,

cdrecord works on full speed, that is the speed negotiated by the hostadapter
and the device, in the SCSI BIOS it is set to 80 MB/s sync speed, wide
negotation, disconnect enabled.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Aug-99 10:27:11
  To: Lars Abrahamsson                                  01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Why is this?

Hi Lars,

27 Aug 99 09:35:18 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Lars Abrahamsson:

JdBP> Each directory entry contains the code page that was in
JdBP> force when it was created and a "DBCS used" flag.

If checkdisk can't or won't correct this problem, you can look at DFsee,
from the DFSee doc file:

fixcp           = Update superblock with found LSN for codepage info

and DFsee can show copepage info and codepage data (don't know what the
difference between these two is, they both named in the dfsee doc file)

FIXCP           = Write the CodePage-LSN found with the '0#f c' command back

Purpose:       Fix bad CodePage-LSN pointer
Parameters:    none
Output:        none
Remarks:       It is better to lock the physical disk before writing to it

DFsee can be found at http://www.fsys.demon.nl and it's freeware.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                31-Aug-99 12:18:06
  To: Jan Deboer                                        01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

31 Aug 99 08:13, Jan Deboer wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 JD> WRONG! "I repeat - WRONG!" In order to offer budget-priced systems,
 JD> dealers can be licensed by Microsoft to "pre-install" an operating
 JD> system on a computer's hard drive, without providing any 
 JD> documentation, manuals, or "original medium" copy of the OS. (A copy 
 JD> of the "license" _IS_ provided!)

A copy of the license is provided. You also mentioned that they were
allowed to make a set of installation floppies?

Apples and oranges. I'm talking about software installed from CD to your
system with no license and no medium provided. Microsoft is an
exception, because they'd rather get a meager license fee than the full
cost of the OS just to get their OS on every home computer in the world.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                31-Aug-99 15:53:02
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator

29 Aug 99 19:19, Charles Gaefke wrote to Christer Jacobsson:

 CG> Can someone tell me exactly where this page is?  I've heard about NS 
 CG> 4.61 for OS/2 a couple times now.. but I'm not able to find it.

http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

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From: paul marwick                                      31-Aug-99 10:05:20
  To: Bat Lang                                          01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: File Managers

Hi Bat

Replying to a message of Bat Lang to John Thompson:

 BL> As a registered user of OS2C (OS/2 Commander), with which I was happy
 BL> until the author became incommunicado about a year ago. I am still
 BL> quite happy with it, but would like it a whole lot more if there was
 BL> an author taking an active interest in furthering its
 BL> usefulness/features. It is a text mode twin window display (similar
 BL> to QFiler, my DOS preference).

I've been a long term user of InspectA (I was one of the original beta
testers). While it still does some things better than any other file manager
I've used, I finally got sick of its bugs (after it destroyed the file
descriptions in a large file area...).

Anyhow, I've just completed an extensive review of OS/2 file managers. The
results will be on my Web site within the next couple of weeks (just being
proof-read and having graphics added).

OS/2 Commander was one of the programs that I tried. I liked it a good deal,
but found a number of annoying bugs (failure handing files with long filenames 
and FILES.BBS entries, failure to read most self-extracting archives, odd
behaviour after viewing files within archives, etc..). Having got no replies
at all from the author, I wasn't prepared to register it.

I looked at a number of other options as well. Including MC. While MC is very
like OS/2 commander (text-mode, exteneded Norton Commander clone), its fairly
painful to set up (and the docs aren't real clear on what has to be done
either..). The fact that its free helps, but not enough...

 BL> If you could please supply a few specifics about MC (I am not into
 BL> _ix). Is it PM or Text mode? Do you have any comparison basis with
 BL> other similar clones? Thanks for any response, and Good Modeming! 
 BL> /\oo/\

If I ever get MC set up completely, I may be able to compare it. For the
moment, the amount of work involved in getting it to do what I want has put me 
off.

Other programs that I looked at:

FileFreedom - PM, now free, but a bit limited, and not an NC clone

Ztree - text mode, but I always hated Xtree, so I'm not real taken with Ztree.

EFCommander - PM, NC clone, broken in a number of respects and goes _way_ 
beyond being simply annoyware - its a _real_ turkey.

Larsen Commander - PM, NC clone, nice, but still beta, no price yet.

FC/2 - text mode, NC clone, _very_ few bugs, still under active development,
also has a Win9x version should you need it. A bit cheaper to register than
OS/2 Commander. Commander has a few things I need, but without bug fixes, I'm
not prepared to spend any money on it. 

So far, my vote is overwhelmingly for FC/2. Current version is FC2_211.ZIP,
should be available in lots of places. Home is: 

http://silk.apana.org.au/pub/fc2/index.html

There is also an active mailing list (well, reasonably active...). Registraion 
via BMT Micro.

Hopefully the full review should be on the web site wihin the next couple of
weeeks (depends when the proof-readers get through with it). So you should be
able to find it shortly at:

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~paulm/os2sig

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      31-Aug-99 10:32:23
  To: KEN SHEA                                          01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: File Managers

Hi KEN

Replying to a message of KEN SHEA to All:

 KS> I would be interested to know if anyone here is using some sort of
 KS> Norton Commander type clone under OS/2. I, here am trying out EFcomm
 KS> and it seems pretty good although it has a few quirks. I really NEED
 KS> a decent NC-clone since I find file managing in OS/2 is pretty
 KS> crummy.

:-) Saying that EFCommander has a few quirks seems very generous. I'd say its
buggy, its author goes way beyond annoying when it comes to encouragement to
register. Doesn't have a lot going for it...

 KS> Currently using EF Commander v2.29 Still to check out (although, I
 KS> don't like the idea of installing a big pile of software in OS/2 only
 KS> to delete it later. They usually leave little turds behind) :

 KS> File Commander/2 v2.10

Of all the programs I tried, this is the best. Mature, still under
development, few if any bugs, works well. Isn't even very annoying prior to
registration. 8/10

 KS> FileJet/2 v7.75

Ok, but nothing special, and expensive. 5/10

 KS> FM/2 v3.01

I'm biased, but to me, this thing is one of the worst examples of blotware
I've ever seen. 2/10

 KS> Larsen Commander for OS/2 v0.97 (freeware)

Very nice, but still beta (current .981), so its incomplete. It will cost
money once  completed, don't know the price. PM, and pretty with it. Still a
number of bugs, but it is beta... 6/10 (maybe 8/10 once 1.0 comes out)

 KS> Look v3.3 for OS/2

Ok, but nothing special IMHO 4/10

 KS> FileStar/2 v2.00.3d

Strange. I'm probably biased, 4/10

 KS> ZtreeBold for OS/2 v1.75

I'm biased, but I always did hate Xtree - 2/10

 KS> Jet Commanderv2.75

Can't work out whats different between this and FileJet. Both too expensive,
anyway. 4/10

 KS> OS/2 Commander v1.24

Good, but has a few bugs and does not seem to be under active develpment any
more. No response to 3 e-mail bug notifications. Pity 5/10

 KS> iLogic Dirmaster v2.2 for OS/2

Broken on large (2GB plus partitions). No longer being developed? 4/10


 KS> Any comments would be appreciated.

Given that you want an NC-style manager, FC/2 is the one to go for at present. 
Larsen Commander if/when it is fully released should also be very good.

Current FC/2 is FC2_211.ZIP. There is also a Win9x version - FCW_211.ZIP.
Works well, well supported and quite cheap to register.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     31-Aug-99 08:57:00
  To: All                                               31-Aug-99 08:57:00
Subj: Netscape Communicator

    The following is copied from the IBM e-mail marketing newsletter
"WARP FM InfoFlash '99 # 6" dated Mon, 30 Aug 1999:

  "Remember the new version of Netscape Communicator 4.6.1 we told you
   about last month?  Free download of the beta version?  Well, it has
   been refreshed, so if you got the original, you should get the
   update. Have a look at http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/"

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     31-Aug-99 12:12:01
  To: Will Honea                                        31-Aug-99 12:12:01
Subj: Beware of shoddy dealers

(Excerpts from a message dated 08-29-99, Will Honea to Rich Wonneberger)

Hi Will--

RW> *** Quoting Jeffrey J. Counsil to Ian Singer dated 08-28-99 ***
RW> > IS> Not true at all.  Some software is provided in such a way that the
RW> > IS> licence fee is paid, and its installed on the hard drive by the 
RW> > dealer
RW> > IS> but that there are no original CDs or floppies.
RW> > 
RW> > Does Packard Smell ring a bell? ;-)
RW> 
RW> Even they provided a restore CD which install'd the orig apps..  

WH>Not the ones I saw from Walmart - all they provided was a program to
  >copy the install data from the hard drive to floppies:  Too cheap to
  >even supply a CD!

    In 1993, I bought an 8MB-RAM IBM PS/VP 433DX directly from IBM.  It
arrived (as ordered) with OS/2 2.00.1 installed.  I soon discovered that
factory (or most dealer) preinstalled software is useless: I hadn't been
able to live with one big partition since the days of the 10MB HD on my
PC/XT.  So, as soon as I discovered this useless configuration, I needed
to reconfigure and reinstall.  I had two choices:  I could use the
furnished application to download the installed software from the HD to
a flock (IIRC, 30) of floppies, or I could use the enclosed coupon to
order the OS on floppies from IBM, for a reduced price which wasn't much
higher than the cost of bare floppies in those days.  Being lazy, I
ordered the set of floppies and installed from them.  There was no
CD-drive on the machine (I added one later) and OS/2 2.0 was never
furnished in any way other than on floppies.  At present, that machine
(now with 32MB RAM and a second HD) is being used by my wife, running
under Warp 4.0 installed from CDs!

    My most recent hardware (a ThinkPad 365XD, vintage 1997) arrived
from IBM with Win95 preinstalled.  I think there was a way to get it off
to floppies, but I never tried.  I started over with Warp 4 and the
ThinkPad utilities that came with the Warp 3 Device Driver Pak CD.

    IMO, mass-produced preinstalled software is for the Average Idiot
Home User, and is essentially useless (unless configured to order) for
any serious PC user.  Since IBM was unable to convince the AIHU to learn
to use OS/2, there really isn't much inducement for any reputable dealer
to furnish it preinstalled, other than as a customized service.  After
all, the dealer (or hardware manufacturer) is supposed to pay the vendor
a fee for every copy of "licensed" software furnished with any hardware
system sold.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Steven Thompson                                   31-Aug-99 19:30:06
  To: Rob Basler                                        01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

Hello Rob.

30 Aug 99 12:22, you wrote to me:

 RB> Set DPMI memory to 64M, for some reason, less often doesn't work, it
 RB> doesn't matter how much memory you actually have.  DPMI_DOS_API to
 RB> enabled.  I haven't heard of that game, so I don't have any specific
 RB> suggestions. I have run a number of other DOS4GW based games with no
 RB> problems.  If you have any other games you are having problems with,
 RB> let us know.

Having a heck of a time with Sim City 2000.

Steve.

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From: Steven Thompson                                   31-Aug-99 19:30:28
  To: Ruth Argust                                       01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: Video card

Hello Ruth.

30 Aug 99 17:41, you wrote to me:

 RA> I visited the OS/2 device repository and came up with a list of
 RA> supported cards but having drivers and delivering performance may be
 RA> two different things :) Hearing from someone that their cards indeed
 RA> works well is the better recommendation.

I agree.  It's always best to have first hand knowledge, since what the
manufacturer says will work often doesn't.  I had a sound card (Sound Image by 
Genius w/ a YAMAHA OPL3-SA3C chipset) that came with OS/2 drivers, but I sure
as heck can't get the darn thing to work.

 RA> And you are correct, the newer S9 (I believe it was) by ATI does not
 RA> have OS/2 drivers.

It's a sick world we live in.  :)

Steve.

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From: Bob Wright                                        30-Aug-99 19:14:01
  To: August Abolins                                    01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp pm email client

Greetings, August...

 Stephen Haffly said to August Abolins:

 SH> On (27 Aug 99) August Abolins wrote to all...

 SH> Hi August,

 AA>> Does there exist a good (and free) PM-based multi pop3/smtp account
 AA>> email program for OS/2?

 SH> Check www.innoval.com.  IIRC, they were letting PostRoad Mailer 3.0 for
 SH> OS/2 be used for home use free.  Whether that has changed or not, I
 SH> don't know.  It wouldn't hurt to check though.

There was a note from Innoval in Warpcast yesterday (Aug 29).  They are
releasing Post Road Mailer free for any use... Also J Street Mailer.  You can
get them from
http://stores.yahoo.com/innoval.  Published serial number for Post Road
registration is  31571728.

Unfortunately, it seems that they didn't get enough revenue from their OS/2
products to enable them to survive.  (Where have we heard this before?).

It's really too bad.  I think Post Road is a very solid product (I'm using a
registered ver 3.0).  I downloaded but haven't installed JStreet simply
because I hadn't gotten on the Java update track when it first came out...then 
the inevitable <> happened and I just never got around to doing anything with
it..

They're left with one product... <Surprise!!> Win 95/98/NT based, plus their
consulting business.

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        30-Aug-99 19:25:03
  To: Albert Sodyl                                      01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: Need OS/2

Greetings, Albert...

 Albert Sodyl hastily said to DARREN RYALL:

 DR>> Making this simple.  If your computer dies, you *need* original
 DR>> software for reinstalling.  You may as well get your original
 DR>> software from your dealer if you are paying for it in any case.

 AS> I got DOS 6.22, disks, what else do I need but OS/2? I want to make a
boot
 AS> manager so I can have win98 (piece of junk, but I have to use it), and
 AS> DOS(maybe if OS/2 can't run dos as good, I don't know), and OS/2
 AS> hopefully.

Well, just to give you a simple answer here... IIRC, without the OS/2
installation disks/cd you WILL NOT be able to put Boot Manager on your
system... unless your oh-so-helpful dealer installs that along with all your
other stuff... Of course, when the fecal matter hits the rotating device,
you'll be SOL since you won't be able to re-establish the pre-installed
setup..

        -- Bob

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From: Hilary Blank                                      01-Sep-99 12:06:12
  To: All                                               01-Sep-99 12:06:12
Subj: Comm Mgr Y2K?

Any way for me to find out how to make Communications Maanger V1.11 Y2K? gotta 
know soon.... thanks,


Hilary 


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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                01-Sep-99 07:24:12
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Re: Beware of shoddy deal

On Stardate 29 Aug 99  18:06:00, Rich Wonneberger Communicated the Following
To Jeffrey J. Counsil, Regarding Re: Beware of shoddy deal...

RW> *** Quoting Jeffrey J. Counsil to Ian Singer dated 08-28-99 ***
> IS> Not true at all.  Some software is provided in such a way that the
> IS> licence fee is paid, and its installed on the hard drive by the 
> dealer
> IS> but that there are no original CDs or floppies.
> 
> Does Packard Smell ring a bell? ;-)
RW> 
RW> Even they provided a restore CD which install'd the orig apps..  

Nope..  They had a program called "Disk Wizard"(win3.1) which you used to
create the install diskettes for the pre-installed software.  The only disk
that came with them was one "recovery/boot" diskette.  If you didn't make your
diskettes and something happened, you were screwed..  But then, buying a PB, 
you get what you pay for..

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From: Bat Lang                                          01-Sep-99 01:50:14
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Charles Gaefke to Christer Jacobsson, [29 Aug 99  19:19:28] <=-

 CG> Can someone tell me exactly where this page is?  I've heard about
 CG> NS 4.61  for OS/2 a couple times now.. but I'm not able to find it.

http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/

I hope you have been following the technique for converting this dnld
into an ftp session. If not, and you are having problems with aborted
dnlds on the above site, holler back.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Sep-99 09:58:16
  To: paul marwick                                      01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: File Managers

paul marwick wrote in a message to Bat Lang:

 pm> I've been a long term user of InspectA (I was one of the 
 pm> original beta testers). While it still does some things better 
 pm> than any other file manager I've used, I finally got sick of 
 pm> its bugs (after it destroyed the file descriptions in a large 
 pm> file area...).

How did this happen?  I use that,  very much more than any other file manager
here,  both the dos and os2 versions...

The only problems I've noticed with it (so far?) are that the program seems to 
get real slow when it comes to displaying the files in really large
directories.  One of these days I'm going to make "unsorted" the default and
see if that's where the slowdown is.  In only one case did it ever actually
have a problem,  and I had a *LOT* of files in one directory there,  something 
over 1400 (that area has since been split up into two directories).

<...>

 pm> Other programs that I looked at:

<...>

 pm> EFCommander - PM, NC clone, broken in a number of respects and 
 pm> goes _way_  beyond being simply annoyware - its a _real_ turkey.

That's the way I felt about FM/2.  That stupid thing went into a screen that
displayed a "shower of currency" and then proceeded to exit,  after giving you 
an annoy-screen.  The first time this happened was maybe 20 minutes after I'd
installed it,  the second time within the hour and in response to me trying
for "help" to figure out some aspect of it -- that's all it took,  and the
program is not only no longer installed but no longer available in the files
section on this bbs...

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From: Rob Basler                                        01-Sep-99 13:04:00
  To: Steven Thompson                                   01-Sep-99 22:46:29
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

ST>Having a heck of a time with Sim City 2000.

From the OS2\INSTALL\DATABASE.TXT file:

REM -------------------------------------------------------
REM SimCity 2000 by Maxis
REM -------------------------------------------------------
    NAME                        SC2000.EXE
    TITLE                       SimCity 2000
    PARAMETERS                  NO_MEM_CHK NO_INTRO
    TYPE                        DOS
    ASSOC_FILE                  SC2000.DAT
    DEF_DIR                     \SC2000
    SESSION_MODE                FULLSCREEN
    DOS_BACKGROUND_EXECUTION    OFF
    DOS_HIGH                    ON
    DOS_UMB                     ON
    EMS_MEMORY_LIMIT            0
    HW_TIMER                    ON
    IDLE_SECONDS                60
    IDLE_SENSITIVITY            100
    INT_DURING_IO               OFF
    KBD_ALTHOME_BYPASS          ON
    KBD_CTRL_BYPASS             CTRL_ESC
    VIDEO_8514A_XGA_IOTRAP      OFF
    VIDEO_RETRACE_EMULATION     OFF
    XMS_MEMORY_LIMIT            4096
    FOLDER                      <WP_GAMES>


This info is used by the Migrate utility, just type MIGRATE and hit
Enter at an OS/2 command prompt.  Good luck.

Rob.
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From: Bryan Schwartz                                    01-Sep-99 09:46:00
  To: Steven Thompson                                   01-Sep-99 22:46:29
Subj: Java OS/2

'preview' is what the E-mail from IBM said. I can only repeat what they 
claim since I can't download all that stuff myself ( I just don't have 
the ISP time or time in general to check all this stuff out). 'Preview'
is what is written. Like I've written before, IBM is a very big organization.
It's not uncommon for one department not to know ( or care )
what another department is doing so maybe somebody got confused and
wrote 'preview' when its not.

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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Sep-99 10:08:29
  To: paul marwick                                      01-Sep-99 22:46:29
Subj: File Managers

 paul marwick,

31-Aug-99 10:05:40, paul marwick wrote to Bat Lang
 pm> Replying to a message of Bat Lang to John Thompson:
          Subject: File Managers

 pm> FC/2 - text mode, NC clone, _very_ few bugs,

What bugs in particular?

 pm> still under active development, also has a Win9x version should you need
 pm> it. A bit cheaper to register than OS/2 Commander. Commander has a few
 pm> things I need, but without bug fixes, I'm not prepared to spend any
 pm> money on it.

 pm> So far, my vote is overwhelmingly for FC/2. Current version is
 pm> FC2_211.ZIP, should be available in lots of places. Home is:

 pm> http://silk.apana.org.au/pub/fc2/index.html

 pm> There is also an active mailing list (well, reasonably active...).

Humm.. I should look into the Mailing List.

Anyway I'm glad to see my old favorite moving up to the top of the charts.

--- Excerpt FC.INI ---
[Associations]
*.inf: view
*.hlp: view
*.htm: netscape /!
*.wav: wepm
*.gif: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
*.jpg: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
*.bmp: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
*.pdf: g:\acrobat3\reados2\acroread.exe
*.mid: D:\mmos2\play.cmd !

d1=F:\Mr2i\Attached
d2=F:\Mr2i
d3=F:\ncFTP\.ncftp
d4=F:\Adept\My-Cmd
d5=F:\Adept\Mailer\Outbound_Mail
d6=F:\Adept\Mailer\Password
d7=F:\Adept\Mailer\Janis
d8=F:\Test-Fil\GOOD
d9=F:\FC
--- End Quote ---

If anyone has more associations or other neat tricks for FC/2, please post
them.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Murray Lesser                                     01-Sep-99 21:42:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   01-Sep-99 21:42:00
Subj: Norton AV

(Excerpts from a message dated 08-30-99, Roy J. Tellason to Murray
Lesser)

Hi Roy--

 ML> Given the choice between ordering catalog merchandise on the 
 ML> Web, or calling with an 800 number and talking to a person, 
 ML> I'll take the telephone every time!

RT>You mean there are still companies out there that you can call where
  >you actually get a _person_ on the other end of a phone call?  I
  >didn't think there were any left!

    Although you were being facetious, I think it is necessary to
clarify this point for the members of the younger generation on this
echo, who appear to believe that if it is newer, it must be better.  All
the old-line catalog retailers that I use still offer 1-800 telephone
service (although they have added new, poorly designed and difficult to
use Web sites) with real live people to talk to:  L.L. Bean, IBM,
Indelible Blue, and the Smithsonian Institution, are a few that I use
regularly.  I also make all my airline, hotel, and auto-rental
reservations by telephone: quick and easy with no hunting through
confusing graphics to find which button to click.  The technique is to
let the salesperson on the other end of the phone connection (who is
getting paid for it) do the fussing with incomprehensible computer-entry
problems :-(.

 ML> I imagine that I am not the only one who has reached this 
 ML> conclusion. 

RT>That's for sure.

    According to a columnist in the business section of today's NY Times
(1 September), available data for the Web-only retailers is indicating
that although both yearly revenue and number of customers keeps rising
for each of the major players, dividing the yearly revenue by the number
of customers for each retailer indicates that the amount purchased per
year per customer is declining rapidly.  I guess that the "we lose a
little on each sale but make it up on the volume" pitch isn't going to
keep working forever for the "investors" :-(.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Bat Lang                                          01-Sep-99 20:37:28
  To: paul marwick                                      02-Sep-99 13:32:19
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting paul marwick to Bat Lang, [31 Aug 99  10:05:40] <=-

 pm> Hi Bat

Howdy, PM!  It's been a while. {^;

 pm> Replying to a message of Bat Lang to John Thompson:

 pm> Anyhow, I've just completed an extensive review of OS/2 file managers.
 pm> The results will be on my Web site within the next couple of weeks
 pm> (just being proof-read and having graphics added).

Please drop a note in here when it's ready. File Managers, Editors and
Viewers are of =more= than passing interest to me.

 pm> OS/2 Commander was one of the programs that I tried. I liked it a good
 pm> deal, but found a number of annoying bugs (failure handing files with
 pm> long filenames and FILES.BBS entries, failure to read most
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How long? I never found that problem, but then I didn't try to see how
long was too long. {^; So long as it never faulted on those that I
encountered of others creation (I continue to be satisfied with 8.3 for
most any that I create).

 pm> self-extracting archives, odd behaviour after viewing files within
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have that same problem, and mentioned it in here. The selfex' that it
will read are few and far between. Virtually none of those that I dnld
from IBM. }^: When I did bring it up, JS downplayed that failing. Thanks
for that support. {^; I am able to test those using an F2 entry that
calls unzip -t-M [%P]\[%F], but better still is a small batch file from
the command line followed by ^<Enter> which pastes in the selfex name.
That batch file which I call UNT.CMD (UNzip to Test) looks like:
@echo off
d:\util\unzip -t-p %1 %2 %3 |hv

Which uses a pipe to HV (or your choice) to display the entire STDOUT
for scrolling, or whatever. This will enable you to read the contents
and even copy a filename to the clipboard (for a one file extraction).
Unfortunately, I have not been able to paste any of those to the OS2C
command line. }^:

 pm> archives, etc..). Having got no replies at all from the author, I
 pm> wasn't prepared to register it.
 pm> I looked at a number of other options as well. Including MC. While MC
 pm> is very like OS/2 commander (text-mode, exteneded Norton Commander
 pm> clone), its fairly painful to set up (and the docs aren't real clear
 pm> on what has to be done either..). The fact that its free helps, but
 pm> not enough...

I too struggled with that one. I never could get the version I have to
even execute. It would just quit with an error msg. Emails with that
author did not resolve the problem. Particularly the error about 'Not
Powerful Enough'? (P200 w/80mb ram) or 'couldn't determine my operating
system' or some such? This was with MC4562BI.ZIP. It seems like the
author writes presuming a complete knowledge of *ix, of which I have
next to zero.

 pm> If I ever get MC set up completely, I may be able to compare it. For
 pm> the moment, the amount of work involved in getting it to do what I
 pm> want has put me off.
 pm> Other programs that I looked at:

 pm> FileFreedom - PM, now free, but a bit limited, and not an NC clone

 pm> Ztree - text mode, but I always hated Xtree, so I'm not real taken
 pm> with Ztree.

We are again on the same wavelength. I too never liked Xtree, preferring
QFiler (strictly for DOS).

 pm> EFCommander - PM, NC clone, broken in a number of respects and goes
 pm> _way_  beyond being simply annoyware - its a _real_ turkey.

 pm> Larsen Commander - PM, NC clone, nice, but still beta, no price yet.

 pm> FC/2 - text mode, NC clone, _very_ few bugs, still under active
 pm> development, also has a Win9x version should you need it. A bit
 pm> cheaper to register than OS/2 Commander. Commander has a few things I
 pm> need, but without bug fixes, I'm not prepared to spend any money on
 pm> it.

I can certainly identify with that. What it does do, it does well! Mine
is already registered. I think the author's last act was to cash my
registration, then headed for a desert isle. {^;

 pm> So far, my vote is overwhelmingly for FC/2. Current version is
 pm> FC2_211.ZIP, should be available in lots of places. Home is:
 pm> http://silk.apana.org.au/pub/fc2/index.html

It might be mine too at this point, as a recommendation, but having
registered OS2C, I continue to prefer it to FC/2, but that could change
in the future. Thanks for the comeback, and let us know when that review
is ready.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: John Hicks                                        02-Sep-99 17:06:00
  To: George Fliger                                     02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: Compaq + OS2

Hi George. Thanks for the reply but I'm stuch stuck with the compaq as I am
paying it off but in the future if I need another computer or am advising
someone of on a computer I'll steer clear of compaq products.

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From: John Hicks                                        02-Sep-99 17:08:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: OS/2 on a compaq?

The pheonix bios is the problem according to the readme file on my cd. Aside
from this the installation freezes shortly after its begun and I would assume 
its the bios incompatiblity that is the problem. 
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From: Ruth Argust                                       01-Sep-99 22:06:17
  To: Steven Thompson                                   02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: Video card

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 ST> I agree.  It's always best to have first hand knowledge, since what
 ST> the manufacturer says will work often doesn't.

Very true.

 ST> I had a sound card (Sound Image by Genius w/ a YAMAHA OPL3-SA3C 
 ST> chipset) that came with OS/2 drivers, but I sure as heck can't get 
 ST> the darn thing to work.

I usually check on the internet to see if any updated drivers are available
for anything since the prepacked ones are usually 5 years old :)

                             *ruth*

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From: George White                                      29-Aug-99 11:53:02
  To: Peter Knapper                                     02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: cdrewriter

Hi Peter,

You wrote to Andy Roberts:

PK> ET> Of course you can still boot from SCSI-ID 0 or 1, but it's not
PK> ET> restricted any more to boot from those two

PK> AR> Alright granted.  But remember way back years ago when
PK> AR> CPUs were slow and it was important to put your modem on
PK> AR> a low IRQ. Think about the reason for that.  Sure it would
PK> AR> work on most any IRQ, but not as well under all conditions.

PK>The issue with a low numbered IRQ for a UART revolved around the importance
PK>of clearing the Received Data Buffer before another
PK>character arrived. A Serial port is not a fast device,
PK>however it was important to service its interrupts quickly.
PK>Buffered UARTS resolved a lot of these issues but its still
PK>an area that needs to tbe considered for response time
PK>critical applications such as FAX decoding in the PC, not
PK>the modem.

Not suprisingly the designers of OS/2 considered it. As a result COM2
(IRQ3) has the highest priority on the system. OS/2 IRQ priority is:
3,4,5,6,7,0,1,8,9/2,10,11,12,13,14,15

PK> AR> But can you give me a good reason NOT to put my most demanding and
PK> AR> fastest SCSI devices on the lowest SCSI ID and the next
PK> AR> fastest and next most demanding devices in order of higher SCSI IDs
PK> AR> with the slowest and least demanding devices on the highest SCSI ID,

PK>It all comes down to the type of device being serviced. For a long time I
PK>used an Archive Viper SCSI Tape drive that had minimal
PK>buffering. To optimise performance it was ESSENTIAL to keep
PK>providing it with data so that it would stream and not
PK>pause. Because the HD's were so much quicker than the Tape
PK>drive, I kept the Tape at a higher SCSI address than all
PK>the HD's (higher addresses are serviced BEFORE lower ones).
PK>When it was at a LOWER address than the HD's, the intensive
PK>system activity that used the HD's a lot could frequently
PK>stop the Tape drive from streaming.

Which is to be expected, of course :-)

PK>To optimise performance for ALL devices on a common bus,
PK>you should set it up to service the most response critical
PK>device FIRST, followed by the rest of the devices in
PK>descending order of need for service. A Fast device with
PK>large buffers (such as a modern HD) can generally afford to
PK>wait a bit longer than a slow device with minimal buffering
PK>that needs a response NOW. With only 1 or 2 devices (not
PK>including the Host Adapter) on a SCSI bus the addressing
PK>issue is probably a moot point.

I think you and Andy are saying th same thing in different ways.

George
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From: George White                                      31-Aug-99 07:36:05
  To: Lee Aroner                                        02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: Hpfs, Hpfs386

Hi Lee,

LA>WH>LA>    386HPFS was developed solely by IBM, after the breakup, Check it
LA>WH>LA>    out with a hex editor, you will see that the only copyright is by
LA>WH>LA>    IBM, whereas a lot of the Win/OS2 files still have joint
LA>WH>LA>    copyrights.

LA>WH>Another urban rumor bites the dust, I guess.  Makes the pricing
LA>WH>structure even stranger - but fortunately we're upgrading from Warp
LA>WH>Server Advanced.  In a loaded server environment it's worth the price
LA>WH>even at list.

LA>GW> I don't think Lee has it quite right. I remember Mary Moynaham
LA>  > (she worked on OS/2 file system drivers while OS/2 was still at
LA>  > Boca) saying that HPFS386 was written by MS in assembler, so there was
LA>  > very little they could do with it. She also said they were considering
LA>  > re-writing it in C to enable them to enhance it, and I suspect if LEE
is
LA>  > looking at a recent version this is why there is no MS copyright on it.
LA>  > If I can dig out archives from the period, (if I still have them, it
was
LA>  > several years ago) I'll check my recollections and post any
corrections.

LA>   George, what I posted was worked out in discussions with Dennis
LA>   Tonn about 9 months ago, and from IBM documentation, including an
LA>   interview with the then OS/2 chief architect (whose name I can't
LA>   recall).

As Mary was actually working on the source, I'll go with what she wrote.
It's just that, so far, I can't track down the archive to check it out
:-(.

LA>   I suspect what you will come up with is that HPFS was written by
LA>   MS, and the 386 extensions were started at MS and rewritten
LA>   entirely at IBM.

What you say here doesn't tally with the explicit statement you first
gave (in the first paragraph) that HPFS386 was totally developed by IBM.

LA>   If I get the chance, (and still have em), I'll post you some of
LA>   the messages from that thread...

LA>   In any case, even if it was a re-write job, the effect is still
LA>   the same: MS has no rights to 386, which explains why they don't
LA>   support it. It also probably explains why it works so well.

Yes indeed, the re-write was (I believe) primarily to add some features,
fix some bugs, and allow easier maintenance and as a side effect
removed any MS ownership of the code.

<snip> supporting evidence.

George
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Aug-99 10:14:22
  To: Jack Stein                                        02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: A BIG sort...

 JS> Actually, I don't think the gnu sort uses the "/" as a switch at all, 
 JS> just the "-" as a switch symbol.  So it's -r not /r.  Total
 JS> incompatability...  At any rate, I'd highly recommend the gnu sort 
 JS> and delete the IBM/MS SORT.  He could use SED to go though all his 
 JS> scripts to change sort /r's or /+n's to -r's and +n's...

... or if he cannot do that, and *requires* command-line compatibility,
there's always the OS2CLU SORT, which is command-line compatible with the IBM
SORT, 32-bit instead of 16-bit, capable of handling files up to the limit of
available virtual memory rather than up to a mere 64KiB, and faster than the
IBM SORT as well.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         31-Aug-99 10:59:18
  To: Jerry McBride                                     02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: "DIR" command with 4 digit years and sort option

You're looking for a DIR command that displays 4-digit years and is capable of 
sorting its output ?  Like this, you mean ?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
0 $z [C:\temp]dir /oe ???.*

The volume label in drive C: is WARP.
The Volume Serial Number is 6c01:ab46.

Directory of: ???.*

1998-09-18 09:27:18          0          0 ____D_ .
1998-09-18 09:27:18          0          0 ____D_ ..
1999-08-02 20:31:06         27          0 _____A aaa.bkp
1999-08-02 20:31:06         35          0 _____A bbb.bkp
1999-08-14 16:24:18         19          0 _____A ccc.bkp
1999-08-18 14:41:04        125          0 _____A ddd.bkp
1999-08-19 14:44:38         61          0 _____A eee.bkp
1999-08-19 14:47:10         49       1496 _____A fff.bkp
1999-08-02 20:32:20         54          0 _____A aaa.cmd
1999-08-02 20:32:38         49          0 _____A bbb.cmd
1999-08-14 16:24:22         18       1168 _____A ccc.cmd
1999-08-23 00:12:56        136          0 _____A ddd.cmd
1999-08-19 14:44:46         70          0 _____A eee.cmd
1999-08-19 14:47:42         58       1520 _____A fff.cmd
1999-08-20 08:06:42         17          0 _____A ggg.cmd
1997-03-16 14:02:10        174       1876 ______ S.CMD
1998-10-12 08:29:04      38697          0 ______ CPP.UUE
          39589 bytes in         17 files found.
          46080 bytes allocated.
     3370648576 bytes free
0 $z [C:\temp]
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From: David Noon                                        31-Aug-99 19:13:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     02-Sep-99 13:32:20
Subj: Character sets

In a message dated 08-29-99, Murray Lesser said to Roy J. Tellason about
"Copymania"

Hi Murray,

RT>Let's see,  I'll bet they used that in that RT-11 OS I 
  >played with back in '78 or so,  do you think?  :-)

ML>    There is no way that anyone can blame the use of Ctrl-Z as an EOF
ML>mark on any desktop operating system :-).

Well, RT-11 ran on DEC PDP-11 machines, most of which were the size of a
refrigerator, but only served to keep beer hot, not cold.

ML>    Ctrl-Z (1fh) has been part of the ASCII 7-bit code since its
ML>beginning (around 1960, IIRC).  The first three of the four "separator"
ML>control characters, 1ch through 1eh (<FS>, <GS>, and <RS>) were
ML>originally intended for data transmission segment separators.  IIRC,
ML>Ctrl-Z <US> was the "user-defined separator" to be used in other
ML>environments.  IMO, ASCII was originally devised to accommodate AT&T,
ML>who realized that the 5-bit Baudot code (used previously for TTY
ML>systems) was no longer sufficient for "modern" data transmission.

Correct. ASCII was originally conceived as the 7-bit character set to be
used by the paper tape readers attached to the sides of ASR-33 TTY's, mostly
made by ITT.

ML>The
ML>computer manufacturers were snookered into going along with the 7-bit
ML>idea, because (at the time) nobody (except IBM) was contemplating any
ML>computer character codes having more than six bits (and IBM wasn't
ML>making public noises about System/360 at the time).

General Electric and UNIVAC had 9-bit byte (actually 36-bit word) machines
in their labs around the same time IBM was developing the S/360. These later
appeared as the GE-600 series (of MULTICS fame) and the UNIVAC 1100 series.
Both of these machines could switch between 6-bit BCD, 7-bit ASCII and 8-bit
EBCDIC with ease.

ML>Later, Ctrl-Z was a
ML>convention adopted by the computer manufacturers as an EOF mark for the
ML>new 8-bit tape-drive systems.

I think you will find it was <ETX> [end-of-transmission] in the TTY world,
and that is why we still have it as end-of-file.

ML>    ASCII became a computer problem in 1964 with IBM's announcement of
ML>the 8-bit System/360 and its associated 8-bit (plus parity) tape drives.
ML>The ANSI committee met to decide how to "embed" seven-bit ASCII in the
ML>new 8-bit medium.  Officially, ASCII is still a 7-bit code: the eighth
ML>(high-order) bit in "true" ASCII embodiments is always zero!  The eighth
ML>bit was put to use (for desktop machines) in the IBM PC (1981) with the
ML>IBM-defined "extended ASCII" that made the top 128 characters available
ML>for keyboard input, but has never been adopted as an official standard.

Yes, ASCII was junk then and is still junk now, compared to EBCDIC.

What I could never fathom was why IBM allowed the PC to be developed using
ASCII, when all the other platforms IBM manufactured in the late 1970's used
EBCDIC. The S/370, S/3x, S/7 and S/1 were all EBCDIC boxes, as were all of
IBM's network front-end processors. All the control sequences for BSC and
SDLC communications were EBCDIC. In that context, ASCII made no sense at
all!

It still doesn't.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  01-Sep-99 19:42:02
  To: Ruth Argust                                       02-Sep-99 17:37:18
Subj: Video card

 -=> Quoting Ruth Argust to Rich Wonneberger <=-

 RW> I cant believe you cant find one unless you are in the middle of
 RW> the desert..

 RA> Actually we are :) But we did drive to Fry's in the San Fernando
 RA> Valley and were told by one of the salesmen that they are no longer
 RA> sold in retail stores, which came as a surprise to us! 

Ah. You haven't heard the old joke:

Q. What's the difference between a computer salesman and a used car salesman?
A. The used car salesman *knows* when he's lieing.



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From: LEE ARONER                                        30-Aug-99 17:33:00
  To: DAVID NOON                                        02-Sep-99 17:37:18
Subj: Rodent

LA>   Another thing that would be nice would be a close API like the 
LA>   one in W9x or DV/DVX.

DN> What do you mean by "close API"?


   A unit's worth a thousand words. Give me an email address and 
   I'll send you some code.

   leea@psynet.net

                                           LRA


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From: LEE ARONER                                        30-Aug-99 17:34:00
  To: DAVID NOON                                        02-Sep-99 17:37:18
Subj: Rodent

DN> In a message dated 08-25-99, Lee Aroner said to David Noon about "Rodent"

DN> Hi Lee,

LA>   Ralf's list is pretty incomplete as far as OS/2 goes...

DN> Since his list is titled "DOS Interrupts" that is to be expected.

   My reference was to OS/2 calls *from*a* DOS app, which is why I 
   say it's incomplete.

   I'm still searching for a coherent explaination/layout of the 
   Family Mode(?) API.


DN> However, none of the exposed API calls relates to threading or
  > concurrent device access.

LA>   There are some semaphore calls available, IIRC, which could 
LA>   possibly be used for critical section purposes or suchlike.

DN> These are only useful across address spaces. They cannot be used within a
  > VDM address space to serialize concurrent units of work, as a VDM cannot
  > have concurrent units of work. You could use them for concurrent VDM
  > sessions, I suppose.


   They could  be used within a single VDM's address space, but that 
   would only duplicate what the application could do for itself, 
   so...

                                       LRA


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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    01-Sep-99 23:35:02
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    02-Sep-99 19:20:03
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Charles,

29 Aug 99 19:19, Charles Gaefke wrote to Christer Jacobsson:

 CG>     Can someone tell me exactly where this page is?  I've heard about
 CG> NS 4.61 for OS/2 a couple times now.. but I'm not able to find it.

 CG>     The link at home.netscape.com points to internet.ibm.com, but I
 CG> have yet to be able to get to that page.

I started at www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/swchoice/ and went from there. Still 
haven't found time to install it, but I've got it.

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    01-Sep-99 23:49:05
  To: Steven Thompson                                   02-Sep-99 19:20:03
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

Hello Steven,

31 Aug 99 19:30, Steven Thompson wrote to Rob Basler:

 ST> Having a heck of a time with Sim City 2000.

Use this as parameters: NO_MEM_CHK NO_INTRO

Works for me. Been working for me for years. Can't remember where exactly I
picked that up, might have been here.

Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Scott Jones                                       01-Sep-99 07:35:10
  To: Gene Tucker                                       03-Sep-99 00:13:18
Subj: Re: *Free* Multi Pop3/Smtp P

-=> Gene Tucker wrote to Stephen Haffly <=-


 SH>Check www.innoval.com.  IIRC, they were letting PostRoad Mailer 3.0 for
 SH>OS/2 be used for home use free.  Whether that has changed or not, I
 SH>don't know.  It wouldn't hurt to check though.


 GT> and the good news is it is free the bad news is that it won't be
 GT> updated anymore as Innoval bows out of the OS/2 market.

Postroad is, for all intents and purposes, dead in the water.  However,
there *is* a private party who is actively working on JStreet Mailer.
The most recent update came just yesterday, AAMOF.

http://paul.vankeep.com/jstreet/index.html for more info.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: paul marwick                                      02-Sep-99 08:39:19
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Sep-99 00:13:18
Subj: File Managers

Hi Roy

Replying to a message of Roy J. Tellason to paul marwick:

 pm>> I've been a long term user of InspectA (I was one of the 
 pm>> original beta testers). While it still does some things better 
 pm>> than any other file manager I've used, I finally got sick of 
 pm>> its bugs (after it destroyed the file descriptions in a large 
 pm>> file area...).

 RJT> How did this happen?  I use that,  very much more than any other file
 RJT> manager here,  both the dos and os2 versions...

If I knew completely, I might be able to avoid future incidents... InspectA
always did get upset at some things found in FILES.BBS. I think that this was
similar. One minute, I was moving through a file area, cleaning up old or
duplicated files. The next, InspectA had gone. When I started it up again and
went back to the file area (naturally, a good, big area), half the files no
longer had FILES.BBS entries. It took me quite a while to recreate the
FILES.BBS from a file listing... There is no indication in POPUPLOG.OS2 as to
the nature of the abend, either.

Given the other bugs in InspectA, that one was the final straw.

 RJT> The only problems I've noticed with it (so far?) are that the program
 RJT> seems to get real slow when it comes to displaying the files in
 RJT> really large directories.  One of these days I'm going to make
 RJT> "unsorted" the default and see if that's where the slowdown is.  In
 RJT> only one case did it ever actually have a problem,  and I had a
 RJT> *LOT* of files in one directory there,  something over 1400 (that
 RJT> area has since been split up into two directories).

:-) Yes, that is a well known problem. You want to try using it on a large CD
directory (some of the early Night Owl CDs had _very_ large directories).
Unfortunately, its not the sort that creates the problem, but the way David
was handling memory when reading the directory structure, so changing to
unsorted won't make much (if any) difference. David did fix the problem - the
final beta that I have is much better when it comes to large directories.
Unfortunately, its dangerous in other areas...

Other bugs that affect my usage of InspectA - attempting to examine a number
of self-extracting archives causes InspectA to abend, using Insert to edit an
existing FILES.BBS entry causes a second entry to be generated rather than
just editing the existing entry, partitions over 2gb list available space in
negative numbers, a number of characters in FILES.BBS will upset the InspectA
display, leaving spurious characters on unused parts of the screen, it doesn't 
understand newer archive types (such as RAR archives), truncating long
descriptions when  copying files, etc.

Apart from the bugs, the lack of the things that were to be incorporated into
the next version is also annoying - it was to get its own internal editor and
viewer, include much more flexible handling of FILES.BBS. Unfortunately, the
final beta that I have is dangerously unstable, and marks the point where
David decided that the attempt to put InspectA out as shareware had been a
failure (which I can't comment on, though I sold in excess of 30 licences for
him myself..) and stopped develoment. While it is now possible to get a "free" 
registration key for the product, the lack of further development doesn't
encourage anyone to register. The lack of available source code also leaves
those who did register with a dead, unspported product...

 pm>> EFCommander - PM, NC clone, broken in a number of respects and 
 pm>> goes _way_  beyond being simply annoyware - its a _real_ turkey.

 RJT> That's the way I felt about FM/2.  That stupid thing went into a
 RJT> screen that displayed a "shower of currency" and then proceeded to
 RJT> exit,  after giving you an annoy-screen.  The first time this
 RJT> happened was maybe 20 minutes after I'd installed it,  the second
 RJT> time within the hour and in response to me trying for "help" to
 RJT> figure out some aspect of it -- that's all it took,  and the program
 RJT> is not only no longer installed but no longer available in the files
 RJT> section on this bbs...

Hmm. Obviously, I didn't try FM/2 for long enough. That is pretty much what EF 
Commander does. After some usage, it will fill the screen full of dollar and
cent graphics, then exit. When you chose to exit, it does exactly the same
thing, not to mention locking the message queue, so you have to wait until its 
finished its display of petulance. 

While I certainly respect an author's right to release shareware with some
form of built in reminder that it should be registered (and I do register any
shareware which I use extensively), this sort of thing is so irritating that
even if the program is absolutely wonderful, I have great reluctance to
register. I usually just delete the thing and make a note not to bother in the 
future...

regards, paul

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From: John Thompson                                     02-Sep-99 15:42:00
  To: Ben Ritchey                                       03-Sep-99 00:13:18
Subj: Backup

In a message to John Thompson, Ben Ritchey wrote re: Backup

JT> In any case, I use InfoZip's ZIP.EXE to back
JT> up my wife's laptop and have used UNZIP.EXE to restore to a bare
JT> HD on that machine and it worked fine.
 
BR> You wouldn't have the syntax/switches handy? Grabbed Infozip this Pm.

I use:

zip -9rS d:\backup c:\* -x c:\os2\system\SWAPPER.DAT

This recursively backs up everything on the C: drive to 
d:\backup.zip (on an external ZIP drive) using maximum
compression, except for the swap file, which is ignored.  To
restore simply "unzip d:\backup" from C:\


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Sep-99 21:51:02
  To: paul marwick                                      03-Sep-99 01:30:01
Subj: File Managers

paul marwick wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 pm>> I've been a long term user of InspectA (I was one of the 
 pm>> original beta testers). While it still does some things better 
 pm>> than any other file manager I've used, I finally got sick of 
 pm>> its bugs (after it destroyed the file descriptions in a large 
 pm>> file area...).

 RJT> How did this happen?  I use that,  very much more than any other file
 RJT> manager here,  both the dos and os2 versions...

 pm> If I knew completely, I might be able to avoid future 
 pm> incidents... InspectA always did get upset at some things found 
 pm> in FILES.BBS. 

What things?  I don't recall any odd behavior of that sort here,  though I
tend to use the dos version *way* more than the OS/2 version.

 pm> I think that this was similar. One minute, I was moving through 
 pm> a file area, cleaning up old or duplicated files. The next, 
 pm> InspectA had gone. When I started it up again and went back to 
 pm> the file area (naturally, a good, big area), half the files no 
 pm> longer had FILES.BBS entries. It took me quite a while to 
 pm> recreate the FILES.BBS from a file listing... There is no 
 pm> indication in POPUPLOG.OS2 as to the nature of the abend, 
 pm> either.

And this was under OS/2?  Did a chkdsk find any bits of the old file around?

 pm> Given the other bugs in InspectA, that one was the final straw. 

What other bugs?  I have been using this program for ages,  and have never
heard of any of this sort of problems with it...

 RJT> The only problems I've noticed with it (so far?) are that the program
 RJT> seems to get real slow when it comes to displaying the files in
 RJT> really large directories.  One of these days I'm going to make
 RJT> "unsorted" the default and see if that's where the slowdown is.  In
 RJT> only one case did it ever actually have a problem,  and I had a
 RJT> *LOT* of files in one directory there,  something over 1400 (that
 RJT> area has since been split up into two directories).

 pm> :-) Yes, that is a well known problem. You want to try using it 
 pm> on a large CD directory (some of the early Night Owl CDs had 
 pm> _very_ large directories). Unfortunately, its not the sort that 
 pm> creates the problem, but the way David was handling memory when 
 pm> reading the directory structure, so changing to unsorted won't 
 pm> make much (if any) difference.

Oh.  I _do_ use it to browse cdroms,  but apparently the ones I'm using it
with don't have the huge directories that are causing the problem.

 pm> David did fix the problem - the final beta that I have is much 
 pm> better when it comes to large directories. Unfortunately, its 
 pm> dangerous in other areas...

Hm.  I did't know that there were other versions out there.

 pm> Other bugs that affect my usage of InspectA - attempting to 
 pm> examine a number of self-extracting archives causes InspectA to 
 pm> abend, 

I've never had a problem like that.

 pm> using Insert to edit an existing FILES.BBS entry causes a 
 pm> second entry to be generated rather than just editing the 
 pm> existing entry, 

Nor that one.

Duplicate entriees in a files.bbs are fairly common with at least some of the
files I have flowing in here,  but not at all a problem with the others, 
depending I guess on how the TIC file is put together or something like that.  
What bugs me (and this is SEAL,  not anything else) is when a new file comes
in with the same name,  instead of just replacing the existing entry it
removes it and puts the new one at the end of the file,  meaning I need to go
in there and edit it if I want to keep them in order.

 pm> partitions over 2gb list available space in negative numbers,

I hit that one early on with the OS/2 version,  the first time I'd dealt with
a partition that was all that big.  Under the dos/dv setup in this box I keep
'em small to avoid the cluster size issue to the extent possible.  It's a real 
irritation when it won't move or copy files because it insissts that there
isn't enough room...

 pm> a number of characters in FILES.BBS will upset the InspectA 
 pm> display, leaving spurious characters on unused parts of the 
 pm> screen,

I never had a problem with that,  but then mine are pretty plain-vanilla for
the most part anyhow.  It may be a good thing that I don't just automatically
use a FILE_ID.DIZ imported into FILES.BBS automatically like some folks do.
What characters does it have a problem with?

 pm> it doesn't understand newer archive types (such as RAR 
 pm> archives), 

The inability to extend the archive list has also been a source of irritation
to me.  And there are a few in there that I have never heard of or run into.
But I haven't spent much time in the config utility trying to rearrange that
stuff...

 pm> truncating long descriptions when copying files, etc.

How long?  I have *something* in my setup (probably DLC,  my download counter
utility) that truncates descriptions at 256 characters,  which is a real
irritation at times.  I suspect that program because it's only files that have 
been downloaded that get that treatment...

Maximus has,  if I'm remembering right,  a 1024-character limit in this,  so
I'm not used to using *real* long descriptions.  Qedit can't seem to do more
than 512 characters,  at least not the older version I'm using here,  anyhow.

 pm> Apart from the bugs, the lack of the things that were to be 
 pm> incorporated into the next version is also annoying - it was to 
 pm> get its own internal editor and viewer, include much more 
 pm> flexible handling of FILES.BBS. Unfortunately, the final beta 
 pm> that I have is dangerously unstable, and marks the point where 
 pm> David decided that the attempt to put InspectA out as shareware 
 pm> had been a failure (which I can't comment on, though I sold in 
 pm> excess of 30 licences for him myself..) and stopped develoment. 
 pm> While it is now possible to get a "free" registration key for 
 pm> the product, the lack of further development doesn't encourage 
 pm> anyone to register. The lack of available source code also 
 pm> leaves those who did register with a dead, unspported product...

I was aware of the availability of that key,  but already had one <g>.  Do you 
think that there is no possibility of source becoming available?

I found a few things somewhat annoying when I first started using it (and
still do,  on occasion),  but a lot of that was the program I'd been used to
using before,  a real old and clunky utility that I won't even mention the
name of,  which absolutely refused to deal with more than about 700 files in a 
directory and choked when the directory tree got too complicated.  It doesn't
even work on newer versions of dos,  and heaven help you if you want some
other platform supported.

 pm>> EFCommander - PM, NC clone, broken in a number of respects and 
 pm>> goes _way_  beyond being simply annoyware - its a _real_ turkey.

 RJT> That's the way I felt about FM/2.  That stupid thing went into 
 RJT> a screen that displayed a "shower of currency" and then 
 RJT> proceeded to exit,  after giving you an annoy-screen.  The 
 RJT> first time this happened was maybe 20 minutes after I'd 
 RJT> installed it,  the second time within the hour and in response 
 RJT> to me trying for "help" to figure out some aspect of it -- 
 RJT> that's all it took,  and the program is not only no longer 
 RJT> installed but no longer available in the files section on this 
 RJT> bbs...

 pm> Hmm. Obviously, I didn't try FM/2 for long enough. That is 
 pm> pretty much what EF Commander does. After some usage, it will 
 pm> fill the screen full of dollar and cent graphics, then exit. 
 pm> When you chose to exit, it does exactly the same thing, not to 
 pm> mention locking the message queue, so you have to wait until 
 pm> its finished its display of petulance.

Sounds like another candidate for the bit bucket to me...

 pm> While I certainly respect an author's right to release 
 pm> shareware with some form of built in reminder that it should be 
 pm> registered (and I do register any shareware which I use 
 pm> extensively), this sort of thing is so irritating that even if 
 pm> the program is absolutely wonderful, I have great reluctance to 
 pm> register. I usually just delete the thing and make a note not 
 pm> to bother in the future...

Yep!

I'm giving some serious thought to looking over the source code to midnight
commander,  and seeing what I can do to it to make it more to my liking. 
These people who write this annoyware stuff can all try and sell to each other 
or something (the term circle jerk comes to mind for some reason) and I'll go
play elsewhere...

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         01-Sep-99 10:32:08
  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:07:12
Subj: Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

                              Announcing the

                 
                 OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0
                 

The OS/2 Command Line Utilities, OS2CLU, version 2.0 comprises a suite of
native 32-bit OS/2 commands that provide many useful abilities for the
OS/2 user, from searching archive files and subdirectories for filenames,
through searching text files for patterns, to improved versions of several
of the commands that are supplied with OS/2 itself that allow one to
remove more of the 16-bit vestiges that remain in OS/2 Warp.

They are "command line" utilities because they can all be driven from the
command line, making them suitable for use in command scripts ("batch
files").  However, OS2CLU comprises a mixture of text-mode and
Presentation Manager (i.e. graphical) programs.


FEATURES


 All of the utilities are fully 32-bit native OS/2 programs, written to
  take advantage of many of the features of 32-bit OS/2, such as its
  ability to scan directories efficiently.

 27 new commands that weren't in OS2CLU version 1.0:  ANACLOCK, ARCDIR,
  BCOMP, CALCTZ, COMP, CPUIDG, CPUIDT, DELTREE, DIGCLOCK, DIRSIZE, FIND,
  FINDDUPS, FITSIZE, HELP, PARTLIST, RESETINI, SAYDATE, SETDATE, SORT,
  STRINGS, SUM, TASKLIST, TEE, TEXTCONV, TREE, WINSIGHT, and Y.

 All of the utilities that deal with dates are fully capable of handling
  dates beyond the year 2000, beyond the year 2038 -- which is the "drop
  dead" date for much 32-bit C and C++ code --, and right up to the year
  2107, in fact.

  Ironically, this ability in the TOUCH and XDIR commands has revealed two
  Year 2100 bugs in OS/2's own FAT and HPFS filesystem drivers!

 All of the utilities that deal with files support extended wildcards,
  which are a superset of the standard OS/2 wildcard syntax, similar to
  the wildcards that are available in most UNIX shells.

  For example:

    [c:\]attrib +r *.{zip,arj,rar,lzh,tar.gz}

        and

    [c:\]xdir [a-c]*

        and

    [c:\]dump /s *.{su,mo,tu,we,th,fr,sa}[0-9]

 Several of the utilities are 32-bit replacements for commands supplied
  with OS/2 itself that are *still*, even in OS/2 Warp version 4, 16-bit
  programs or batch files, such as ATTRIB, COMP, FIND, HELP, SORT, and
  TREE.

  Needless to say, many of the uglier "features" of the OS/2-supplied
  commands have been removed.  The OS2CLU SORT command, for example, can
  sort files named on the command line as well as its standard input, and
  can sort files that are greater than 64KiB in size.  The OS2CLU COMP
  command can be used in a batch file with ease.  The OS2CLU FIND command
  supports regular expressions and the ability to be used in a command
  pipeline.  The OS2CLU HELP command can be configured to search different
  on-line books by default and won't destroy a customised command prompt
  if one turns help on and off.  And the OS2CLU TREE command, unlike the
  TREE supplied with OS/2, *actually displays a tree*!

 The command-line interface to all of the utilities is straightforward
  and consistent, and is based on conventions that will be familiar to PC
  users.

  For example, all of the utilities support the /? option for obtaining
  help; and the /S option always means "recurse into subdirectories",
  whatever the command.

 The utilities come with a detailed on-line help document, in the
  standard OS/2 INF file format.

 The DUMP, FIND, GREP, SORT, STRINGS, SUM, TEE, TEXTCONV, WC, WHAT, and Y
  commands can be used as filter commands, for use in a command pipeline,
  acting upon what they receive from their standard input, and producing
  results on their standard output.

 All of the utilities contain international support, displaying the date
  and time in the format appropriate to the current setting given for
  COUNTRY in CONFIG.SYS, and using OS/2's system message file for the text
  of error messages.

 All of the utilities that deal with dates and times can also use the ISO
  8601 standard date and time representation, which uses an unambiguous
  format with a 4-digit year, in order to avoid the inherent ambiguity in
  the "national" date formats for the first 31 years of the 21st century
  (e.g. 01/02/03).

 The SAYDATE and DIGCLOCK utilities fully support the TZ environment
  variable, with the standard POSIX syntax (ISO/IEC 9445-1:1990), allowing
  one to operate in any timezone, in either hemisphere, with daylight
  savings time rules being applied correctly and automatically.

  This also allows different commands to be run in different timezones.
  So one could have, if one wanted, multiple instances of DIGCLOCK running
  on the desktop at the same time, all operating in different timezones
  and with different daylight savings time rules!  A fully configurable
  and extensible "world clock"!

 All utilities are limited only by available virtual memory.

  The DIR command in CMD, the default command processor supplied with
  OS/2, refuses to sort a directory listing containing more than 2073
  files.  The DIR command in 4OS2 fails when the directory size reaches a
  more respectable 20,000 files.

  But the XDIR command in OS2CLU was able, in testing, to sort a directory
  listing of 100,000 files, and even that didn't reach its limit!  (We
  just ran out of enthusiasm to go any higher.  (-:)

 All of the utilities that deal with files fully support long filenames,
  filenames with embedded spaces and multiple full stops, deep directory
  trees, and large directories.

  Indeed, the TREE command was added to OS2CLU version 2.0 because one of
  the popular TREE utilities for OS/2 couldn't handle the C:\OS2\ARCHIVES
  directory tree and would always crash because it was too deep!

 All of the utilities that deal with files fully support the Universal
  Naming Convention, used by LANs and by OS/2 Warp Server 5 ("Aurora").

  For example, one doesn't need to use drive letters to access files on
  LAN fileservers, since one can use UNC filenames instead:

    [c:\]ff /s/e \\server\sharename\*.txt

        and

    [c:\]xdir \\server\sharename\*.{exe,com,cmd}

 All of the text-mode utilities can be used when OS/2 is booted to a
  text-mode command line.


THE INDIVIDUAL UTILITIES


    ANACLOCK    A simple Presentation Manager analogue clock program, with
                full support for timezones and automatic (and effortless)
                switching to and from daylight savings time.

    ARCDIR      Displays the contents of archives.  It performs much the
                same function as the "l" or "-view" option to many
                archiving tools, except that one tool supports multiple
                archive types with one uniform command syntax, can list
                files within the archive matching particular wildcards,
                can sort the listing, and can even produce a single
                (sorted) list of the contents of multiple archive files
                that match a particular wild card, optionally recursing
                into subdirectories to find them.

    ATTRIB      Is an enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit
                ATTRIB command.  It includes, amongst other enhancements,
                extended wildcards, the ability to include and exclude
                files by attribute, and the ability to modify the
                attributes of subdirectories as well as files.

    BCOMP       A simple binary byte-for-byte comparison of two files.

    CALCTZ      A Presentation Manager utility to help calculate the TZ
                environment variable string for any given timezone and
                daylight savings time rules.  Unlike other TZ calculators,
                this command calculates a TZ string that is in the
                standard POSIX 1003.1 (ISO/IEC 9445-1:1990) format.

    COMP        Is an enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit COMP
                command.  It doesn't prompt the user, so can be used in
                command scripts, and has a more compact output format so
                that differences are easier to spot.  It can also recurse
                into subdirectories to compare entire directory trees; and
                it supports extended wildcards.

    CONVCASE    Renames filenames to upper, lower, or mixed case, which is
                handy in those situations where other programs insist upon
                creating all-uppercase or all-lowercase filenames.  It
                supports the standard OS2CLU features of recursing into
                subdirectories, including/excluding files by attribute,
                and extended wildcards.

    CPUIDG      A Presentation Manager program to display the information
                obtained about the CPU by the CPUID instruction, including
                the various AMD and Cyrix extensions.

    CPUIDT      A text-mode program to display the information obtained
                about the CPU by the CPUID instruction, including
                the various AMD and Cyrix extensions.

    DELTREE     A REXX wrapper script for the XDEL command that behaves
                much like the DELTREE command in MS-DOS and DR-DOS does.

    DIGCLOCK    A simple Presentation Manager digital clock program, with
                a fully configurable display format and full support for
                timezones and automatic (and effortless) switching to and
                from daylight savings time.

    DIRSIZE     Displays the sizes of directories, much like the GNU `du'
                command does, but with the standard OS2CLU features such
                as enhanced wildcards and the ability to include/exclude
                files by attribute, and with the same simple, consistent,
                PC-style, interface of the other utilities that should be
                familiar to OS/2 users.  It also displays the actual true
                "allocated space" figures when used on large FAT volumes.

    DUMP        Dumps the contents of many types of file, including the
                popular ARC, ARJ, LZH, RAR, ZIP, and ZOO archive file
                formats, PKT files (used for mail transfer on Fidonet),
                executable and DLL files, and Intel object module files
                (OBJ and LIB files).

    FF          A versatile yet simple and fast file finder, that is also
                capable of locating files that are contained within ARC,
                ARJ, LZH, RAR, ZIP, and ZOO archives.  It supports the
                standard OS2CLU features of recursing into subdirectories,
                including/excluding files by attribute, and extended
                wildcards.

    FIND        A REXX wrapper for the GREP command that can replace
                OS/2's 16-bit FIND command, searching for lines in text
                files that contain a given string.  It has the standard
                OS2CLU features of being able to operate recursively on
                files in subdirectories and include/exclude files by
                attribute.  It can also has a "brief" display format, and
                the ability to display counts of the number of lines
                found.

    FINDDUPS    Locates files that are exact duplicates of one another,
                even if they have different names and timestamps.  It
                supports the standard OS2CLU features of recursing into
                subdirectories, including/excluding files by attribute,
                and extended wildcards.

    FITSIZE     Groups files into bundles that don't exceed a given total
                size.  It is useful for burning CD-ROMs, or collecting
                files onto LS-120 super-floppy discs.

    GREP        Finds lines that match a given pattern in text files, much
                like the GNU `egrep' command, but with the standard OS2CLU
                features.  It implements almost the entire POSIX "extended"
                regular expression syntax -- far more than most other grep
                utilities, which usually only provide the POSIX "basic"
                syntax.

    HELP        An enhanced, REXX, replacement for OS/2's HELP command
                (which is a "batch file").  It won't upset customised
                PROMPT strings, and doesn't require the 16-bit HELPMSG
                program in order to function.  It also allows the command
                reference on-line book that is used by default to be
                configured via the CMDREF environment variable.

                It is also useful as a replacement for the HELP command
                that is built in to Take Command for OS/2, JP Software's
                command interpreter for OS/2, which doesn't work too well!

    PARTLIST    Displays the entire, unmodified, contents of the partition
                table on one or all of the available partitionable disc
                devices.  Unlike FDISK /QUERY, the partition table is
                displayed in raw uninterpreted form, with the partition
                sizes displayed in numbers of sectors, rather than being
                converted to KiB.

                The /FIX option will fix some of the more common errors
                caused by disc geometry changes (which can occur when a
                disc is moved from one machine to another or when a
                different make of SCSI host adapter is used, for example).

    PLAYTUNE    Plays a tune through the PC speaker.  No more messing
                around converting a tune to a series of numbers for BEEPs!
                And no more need to run QBASIC in a VDM, which eats CPU
                time, just to play a tune!  The tune is given in a format
                compatible with the "PLAY" statement in the BASIC language
                and with so-called "ANSI music" as used by several BBS and
                offline mail and comms utilities.

    RESETINI    Removes the read-only attribute from the user and system
                INI files, and then instructs Workplace Shell to reload
                them.  It is useful as an aid to recovery if an incomplete
                shutdown has left the INI files read-only by accident.  It
                also has the side-effect of closing and re-opening the WPS
                Desktop folder without restarting the system.

    SAYDATE     Displays the current, or any given, date and time, with a
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  To: All                                               03-Sep-99 06:07:12
Subj: 2 Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

                fully configurable display format and full support for
                timezones and automatic (and effortless) switching to and
                from daylight savings time.  The DATE and TIME commands
                cannot be used in command scripts to display the date and
                time without some ugliness, because they prompt for input.
                This command can be!

    SETDATE     Allows the hardware real-time clock to be set from a date
                or time expressed as local time in any arbitrary timezone.
                It also sets the date and time simultaneously, avoiding
                race conditions in command scripts when used near
                midnight.

    SORT        An enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit SORT
                command.  It can sort up to the size of available virtual
                memory and has no 64KiB limit, can also sort files named
                on the command line, and supports extended wildcards and
                the other standard OS2CLU features.  It's also quicker!

    STRINGS     Displays embedded strings of characters in files, which is
                particularly useful for searching binary files for text
                strings.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features of
                recursing into subdirectories, including and excluding
                files by attribute, and extended wildcards.

    SUM         Calculates CRC-16, CRC-32, two different types of checksum
                (UNIX BSD and System V), and the MD5 fingerprint for
                files.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features of
                recursing into subdirectories, including/excluding files
                by attribute, and extended wildcards.

    TASKLIST    Lists the contents of the PM Window List in text form,
                suitable for parsing, or use from text-mode programs.

    TEE         A "T-shaped" pipe fitting, that sends its standard input
                to its standard output, writing or appending a copy of it
                to one or more files named as its arguments.

    TEXTCONV    Converts text files from one code page and newline
                convention to another.  It makes it easy to interchange
                text files between OS/2 and Usenet, the Macintosh, and
                UNIX/linux, or between OS/2 users in different countries
                with different code pages.  It supports code page 1004 in
                particular, in order that one can convert text files from
                other code pages to ISO 8859 Latin-1.

    TOUCH       Changes the last modification, last access, or creation
                timestamp of files and directories.  It can override
                read-only protection, and it supports the standard OS2CLU
                features of being able to recurse into subdirectories and
                include/exclude files by attribute, and extended
                wildcards.

    TREE        An enhanced 32-bit replacement for OS/2's 16-bit TREE
                command.  Unlike the latter, this command actually
                displays a tree!  It can also display size information,
                and be limited to using only ASCII characters instead of
                character graphics.  It also supports extended wildcards.

    WC          Counts the number of lines, words, letters, characters, and
                bytes in files.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features
                of recursing into subdirectories, including/excluding
                files by attribute, and extended wildcards.

    WHAT        Finds any embedded SCCS identifying strings in files.

    WHICH       Finds out what would be executed if a given command name
                were used.  It knows about commands that are built into
                the 16-bit CMD, 32-bit CMD, and 4OS2 command interpreters,
                and obeys the PATHEXT environment variable.

    XDEL        Deletes files.  It supports the standard OS2CLU features
                of recursing into subdirectories, including/excluding
                files by attribute, and extended wildcards.  It can also
                remove empty subdirectories, override read-only
                protection, and wipe the contents of files before deleting
                them in order to prevent them from being successfully
                undeleted.

    XDIR        Displays directory listings.  It supports the standard
                OS2CLU features of recursing into subdirectories,
                including/excluding files by attribute, and extended
                wildcards.  It can also sort files from multiple
                subdirectories into one big list, allowing one to see all
                files in multiple subdirectories sorted together by size
                for example, and has no arbitrary limits on the number of
                files that it can process.

    WINSIGHT    Displays the hierarchy of Presentation Manager windows as
                a tree structure, showing window handles, parents, owners,
                process and thread IDs, styles, IDs, types, and text.

    Y           A "Y-shaped" pipe fitting, that concatenates its standard
                input with one or more files and sends the result to its
                standard output.  It can also be used as a more powerful
                replacement for the TYPE command built into IBM's 16-bit
                CMD command interpreter, since it supports the standard
                OS2CLU features of extended wildcards, inclusion and
                exclusion of files by attributes, and recursion into
                subdirectories.


WHERE TO FIND OS2CLU


The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both OS2CLU02.ZIP and
OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can be File Requested by
anyone at any time of the day from the following Fidonet nodes:

    1:109/921.0        TSR BBS in the U.S.
    2:257/609.0        Air Applewood BBS in the U.K.

It is also available on any Fidonet site around the world that carries the
Fidonet file distribution echo that is hosted by Fernwood BBS in the U.S..

It can also be found on the Hobbes FTP site run by New Mexico State
University in the U.S., and on the LEO FTP site in Germany.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jonathan de Boyne Pollard is a professional computer programmer who
specialises in consultancy and development of operating systems and tools,
and who writes things like the OS/2 Command Line Utilities in his spare
time.  Other previous projects of his include such things as a complete
replacement for the runtime library for Borland C++ 3.1, allowing it to be
used to develop 16-bit OS/2 programs.  He also maintained the Highly
Unofficial Fidonet OS2PROG C++ Compiler Pros and Cons List for several
years, and is the moderator of the international OS2DOS Fidonet echo.  He
is currently working on a project which he believes will astonish 32-bit
OS/2 users.

The best, most reliable, and quickest, way to contact him is on Fidonet,
by sending netmail addressed to either

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, FIDONET#2:257/609.3

  or

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, FIDONET#1:109/921.70,

which are his two permanent "point" addresses.  Alternatively, you can
post a message in the Fidonet OS2PROG or OS2 echoes.

Another way to contact him is via the Internet mailbox
<J.deBoynePollard@tesco.net>.  Since this is a mailbox hosted by one of
the U.K.'s "free ISPs", and subject to the standard "use every 90 days or
it will be deleted" conditions that such ISPs impose, this latter address
is not guaranteed to be reliable, or even valid, in years to come however.

  JdeBP 

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From: Peyton Bay                                        02-Sep-99 16:13:00
  To: all                                               03-Sep-99 06:07:12
Subj: recovering chkdsk create

I recently had a power surge/outage that left me with a bunch of files
and directories created when chkdsk was run upon reboot. Can they
be saved and, if so, is there a trick to it? I copied some of them
into another directory with no problem but on subsequent chkdsk and/or
reboot they were once again put into a chkdsk (FOUNDxx) directory.
Perhaps some attribute needs to be (re)set? I'm Using Warp 4, fp9.  TIA

Peyton

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From: Louis Aubree                                      30-Aug-99 19:27:00
  To: Jonathan De boyne poll                            03-Sep-99 06:07:12
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

Hello Jonathan!

From the "A big sort..." thread :

JP> SORT     Enhanced, 32-bit, replacement for OS/2's 16-bit SORT
JP>          command.
JP>          Can sort up to the size of available virtual memory and
JP>          has no 64KiB limit.  Can also sort files named on the
                      ^^^
<snip>

JP> Here it is sorting a 686KiB text file, sent to its standard input
                            ^^^
JP> (I could just as easily have passed the name of the file as an
JP> argument to SORT.), with the output piped into a word count program
JP> (so that I don't have to paste 686KiB of text into this message!):
                                      ^^^

Does "KiB" mean 1024 bytes?

I wrote elsewhere, a few months ago, that we need new symbols for the
powers of 1024, because the difference with the powers of 1000
becomes more and more intolerable, and 'k' (kilo), 'M' (mega), 'G'
(giga), 'T' (tera) are really defined as powers of 1000, not powers
of 1024. But I proposed 'ik', 'iM', 'iG', 'iT' as prefixes for the
powers of 1024...

Is there any international effort about this?

  L.A.   
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From: Peter French                                      03-Sep-99 06:39:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        03-Sep-99 06:39:00
Subj: *free* multi pop3/smtp p

On 1999-08-30, Bob Wright wrote to August Abolins on message number 435;
  Hello Bob,
BW> It's really too bad.  I think Post Road is a very solid product (I'm using 
a
BW> registered ver 3.0).  I downloaded but haven't installed
BW> JStreet simply because I hadn't gotten on the Java update
BW> track when it first came out...then the inevitable <>

  Hmmm, my first reaction wasn't to cry for Innoval.  They buggered their
users
around towards the end and weren't very transparent about their product
directions.  Dan Porter is/was a staunch supporter of OS/2 so I'll concede he
has done a lot for his customers and the general user community.  I feel they
could have better managed their company - and by implications the support,
direction and delivery of the products we all paid top$ for.
  <Chest now clear> Having said all that, I've been just waiting for the first
good JAVA application that will signal the access for OS/2 into mainstream
applications - after all we have the best performing Java Virtual Machine
(JVM).
JStreet Mailer has undergone a revival with a user managed e-mail list server
and a bunch of Java programmers that have decomposed the JStreet code and
fixed
in 1 month what we wanted Innoval to do in the whole spluttering life of
JSteet.  What a revelation!  This e-mail client is 99% ready in my view, fast,
feature rich, supported by OS/2 and free (gnash gnash - as a charter member I
did pay for it!)


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From: Bob Wright                                        02-Sep-99 19:22:04
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Java OS/2

Greetings, Bryan...

 Bryan Schwartz hastily said to Steven Thompson:

 BS> 'preview' is what the E-mail from IBM said. I can only repeat what they
 BS> claim since I can't download all that stuff myself ( I just don't have
 BS> the ISP time or time in general to check all this stuff out). 'Preview'
 BS> is what is written. Like I've written before, IBM is a very big
 BS> organization. It's not uncommon for one department not to know ( or care
)
 BS> what another department is doing so maybe somebody got confused and wrote
 BS> 'preview' when its not.

Actually, you're probably both right.  Looking back at what appears to be your 
prior message in this thread I see it's dated June 20th.  IIRC the Java 1.1.8
went from preview to General Availability in late July or thereabouts..  I do
know that the directory I downloaded the thing into was created on August
8th..

And I definitely am not that strong technically that I want to play with a
"preview" version of Java... (other things, maybe...)

        -- Bob

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From: LEE ARONER                                        02-Sep-99 19:56:00
  To: ROB BASLER                                        03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Devcon

LA>   Murray:  I don't suppose you'd consider selling those unused CD's
LA>   to a programmer who is expanding from DOS to OS/2, but can't
LA>   afford a subscription, would you?

RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
  > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
  > Server for e-Business.


   Yeah, and it costs a pile too.

   I'm just looking for reference material - API's, driver examples 
   and suchlike...a copy of DevCon would be nice to have at 2am when 
   I get stuck for ideas and it's gotta be done tomorrow...

                                       LRA


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From: LEE ARONER                                        02-Sep-99 20:38:00
  To: GEORGE WHITE                                      03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Hpfs, Hpfs386

GW> As Mary was actually working on the source, I'll go with what she wrote.
  > It's just that, so far, I can't track down the archive to check it out
  > :-(.

LA>   I suspect what you will come up with is that HPFS was written by
LA>   MS, and the 386 extensions were started at MS and rewritten
LA>   entirely at IBM.

GW> What you say here doesn't tally with the explicit statement you first
  > gave (in the first paragraph) that HPFS386 was totally developed by IBM.

   I don't always make the exactly correct choice of words, but the 
   basic thrust was that MS no longer has any financial interest in 
   it, and I thought that was what would get across. If you took it 
   as a statement of historical fact, my apologies.

   My guess is when you find your quote, we will see that the 
   original MS attempt was so bug infested as to be unusable (like 
   so much of what they produce...).


LA>   If I get the chance, (and still have em), I'll post you some of
LA>   the messages from that thread...

LA>   In any case, even if it was a re-write job, the effect is still
LA>   the same: MS has no rights to 386, which explains why they don't
LA>   support it. It also probably explains why it works so well.

GW> Yes indeed, the re-write was (I believe) primarily to add some features,
  > fix some bugs, and allow easier maintenance and as a side effect
  > removed any MS ownership of the code.

   Viva la Side-Effect!

                                       LRA


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From: Bat Lang                                          03-Sep-99 01:13:18
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Sep-99 19:21:04
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to paul marwick, [01 Sep 99  10:08:59] <=-

 AR> -!- Excerpt FC.INI ---
 AR> [Associations]
 AR> *.inf: view
 AR> *.hlp: view
 AR> *.htm: netscape /!
 AR> *.wav: wepm
 AR> *.gif: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
 AR> *.jpg: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
 AR> *.bmp: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
 AR> *.pdf: g:\acrobat3\reados2\acroread.exe
 AR> *.mid: D:\mmos2\play.cmd !

 AR> If anyone has more associations or other neat tricks for FC/2, please
 AR> post them.

You might wish to reorganize those as per the following example:

[Viewer Associations]
*.{INF,HLP}: D:\UTIL\HVPM !
*.{BGA,BMP,GIF,JPEG,JPG,PBM,PCD,PCX,PNG,TGA,VAR}: PMJ !f
*.{DOC,TXT,ASC,DIZ,ME,OS2,LST,LOG,MNU,TMP,1ST,2ND,TOO}: D:\UTIL\HV !f
*.{HTM,HTML}: D:\UTIL\HVPM !f
*.PDF: D:\ACROBAT3\READOS2\acroread.exe !f

Saves a bit of space and 'appears' a bit more organized. YMMV. {^; Good
Modeming! /\oo/\


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From: paul marwick                                      03-Sep-99 10:56:03
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Sep-99 23:17:10
Subj: File Managers

Hi Andy

Replying to a message of Andy Roberts to paul marwick:

 pm>> FC/2 - text mode, NC clone, _very_ few bugs,

 AR> What bugs in particular?

:-) I've not found anything other than a couple of cosmetic problems - mainly
in the Windows version (which I end up using, given the amount of time I have
to spend working on Windows boxes..). Officially, the following have been
fixed for the next release:

Archive reading would crash on archives with more than 32768 entries.
Found files list box wasn't being updated properly after deleting files from
it with F8

 pm>> There is also an active mailing list (well, reasonably active...).

 AR> Humm.. I should look into the Mailing List.

Its pretty  quiet at present (also haven't heard back from Brian after sending 
hi e-mail regarding my paying an extra fee to have a couple of extra features
added..). Still, a potentially valuable resource.

 AR> Anyway I'm glad to see my old favorite moving up to the top of the
 AR> charts.

Well, I looked at a lot of file managers. I still like many of the things that 
InspectA does, but I can't stand the bugs any more.. Of all the alternates I
looked at, FC/2 had the best mix of features and quality.

 AR> -!- Excerpt FC.INI ---
 AR> [Associations]
 AR> *.inf: view
 AR> *.hlp: view
 AR> *.htm: netscape /!
 AR> *.wav: wepm
 AR> *.gif: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
 AR> *.jpg: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
 AR> *.bmp: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
 AR> *.pdf: g:\acrobat3\reados2\acroread.exe
 AR> *.mid: D:\mmos2\play.cmd !

 AR> If anyone has more associations or other neat tricks for FC/2, please
 AR> post them.

*.{doc,txt,log,bbs,diz}: fc.exe /v !

Which is Brian's suggestiion to mimic something found in OS/2 Commander - the
ability to define an association for the internal viewer. Not quite as
flexible, but does the job...

I use quite a lot of log files and prefer that the viewer does not start with
word wrap on. I didn't find any way of changing the default in the setup, but
I did find the following in FC/2's .INI file:

ViewerWrap=off

Once saved, this allows the internal viewer to start with word wrap off.

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      03-Sep-99 10:28:25
  To: Bat Lang                                          03-Sep-99 23:17:10
Subj: File Managers

Hi Bat

Replying to a message of Bat Lang to paul marwick:

 BL> Howdy, PM!  It's been a while. {^;

:-) Certainly has...

 pm>> Anyhow, I've just completed an extensive review of OS/2 file
 pm>> managers. The results will be on my Web site within the next couple
 pm>> of weeks (just being proof-read and having graphics added).

 BL> Please drop a note in here when it's ready. File Managers, Editors and
 BL> Viewers are of =more= than passing interest to me.

Yeah, sure. Hopefully won't be long - just depends on the proof reder and a
little bit of sorting on my part to get the right graphics.

 BL> How long? I never found that problem, but then I didn't try to see how
 BL> long was too long. {^; So long as it never faulted on those that I
 BL> encountered of others creation (I continue to be satisfied with 8.3
 BL> for most any that I create).

It will handle files a little longer than 8.3, but not a great deal. Problem
seems to stem from the fact that it has a fixed position to start the
description text and when that position is still occupied by filename data, it 
crashes. Easy to reproduce...

 BL> I have that same problem, and mentioned it in here. The selfex' that
 BL> it will read are few and far between. Virtually none of those that I
 BL> dnld from IBM. }^: 

:-) The only one I've found so far is the self-ex that it was packed in when I 
got it... Every other one I've tried, it says it can't read. 

I also hit one archive that it read incorrectly - instead of a small
FILE_ID.DIZ and a 140K executalbe, it reported a 0-length FILE_ID.DIZ and no
executable. It was somewhat miraculous though - it could display the contents
of that 0-length .DIZ...

 BL> When I did bring it up, JS downplayed that
 BL> failing. Thanks for that support. {^; I am able to test those using
 BL> an F2 entry that calls unzip -t-M [%P]\[%F], but better still is a
 BL> small batch file from the command line followed by ^<Enter> which
 BL> pastes in the selfex name. That batch file which I call UNT.CMD
 BL> (UNzip to Test) looks like: @echo off d:\util\unzip -t-p %1 %2 %3 |hv

 BL> Which uses a pipe to HV (or your choice) to display the entire STDOUT
 BL> for scrolling, or whatever. This will enable you to read the contents
 BL> and even copy a filename to the clipboard (for a one file
 BL> extraction). Unfortunately, I have not been able to paste any of
 BL> those to the OS2C command line. }^:

Hmm, thanks for that - makes it usable for that sort of situation at least.
I'll have to add something like that.

 BL> I too struggled with that one. I never could get the version I have to
 BL> even execute. It would just quit with an error msg. Emails with that
 BL> author did not resolve the problem. Particularly the error about 'Not
 BL> Powerful Enough'? (P200 w/80mb ram) or 'couldn't determine my
 BL> operating system' or some such? This was with MC4562BI.ZIP. It seems
 BL> like the author writes presuming a complete knowledge of *ix, of
 BL> which I have next to zero.

:-) I had trouble with it under one Linux distribution as well - Redhat 5.2 -
kept failing...Even when I have got it to run, I've not managed to get all its 
functions operating by any means. Pity - the later betas have some potentially 
interesting functions.

 pm>> Ztree - text mode, but I always hated Xtree, so I'm not real taken
 pm>> with Ztree.

 BL> We are again on the same wavelength. I too never liked Xtree,
 BL> preferring QFiler (strictly for DOS).

:-) Before I moved to InspectA, I used to use Directory Freedom, which did
what I needed.

 pm>> need, but without bug fixes, I'm not prepared to spend any money on
 pm>> it.

 BL> I can certainly identify with that. What it does do, it does well!
 BL> Mine is already registered. I think the author's last act was to cash
 BL> my registration, then headed for a desert isle. {^;

:-( That seems to be becoming all too common. I've got a number of registered
programs that are no longer supported, no source is available, so my money has 
effectively been thrown away. While I don't mind in some respects (in most
instances, I've got reasonable value for the original investment), the lack of 
source for things that I still need and have no viable replacements for is
very annoying...

At least with things like FleetStreet (which I registered a long time ago),
when the author dropped support, he released a free version and the source.

Another thing that is of concern is that many of these unspuported programs
can still cost you money. For instance, BMT Micro is still accepting
registrations for OS/2 Commander, FTP Browser, FileBar and several other
products which are effectively dead and unspported. The only indication that
the customer has of this status is to check when the procuct was last updated, 
which is not always easy to do...

 pm>> So far, my vote is overwhelmingly for FC/2. Current version is
 pm>> FC2_211.ZIP, should be available in lots of places. Home is:
 pm>> http://silk.apana.org.au/pub/fc2/index.html

 BL> It might be mine too at this point, as a recommendation, but having
 BL> registered OS2C, I continue to prefer it to FC/2, but that could
 BL> change in the future. Thanks for the comeback, and let us know when
 BL> that review is ready.  

Apart from the bugs I hit in OS/2 Commander, I found that FC/2 seemed cleaner
and more consistent in operation. Hence my choice. I just hope I can talk
Brian into adding a few of the features that Commander has and FC/2 currently
doesn't have...

I'll post a note as soon as the review finally goes up.

 BL> Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

to you too...

regards, paul

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From: Will Honea                                        03-Sep-99 21:18:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        03-Sep-99 21:18:00
Subj: Devcon

LEE ARONER wrote to ROB BASLER on 09-02-1999

LA> RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
LA>   > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
LA>   > Server for e-Business.
LA> 
LA> 
LA>    Yeah, and it costs a pile too.
LA> 
LA>    I'm just looking for reference material - API's, driver examples 
LA>    and suchlike...a copy of DevCon would be nice to have at 2am when 
LA>    I get stuck for ideas and it's gotta be done tomorrow...

Lee, there's a version of the SDP for non-commercial developers that's
a lot easier to qualify for and I think it gets you web access to the
whole DEVCON selection - at least thru the member level, but I think it
may give full access.  

I can empathize with the 2AM bit - when I needed the UDB 5 SDK for
both NT and OS/2 at about that time.  That covered the cost of the
whole program (discounted) at one pass!

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     03-Sep-99 22:36:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        03-Sep-99 22:36:00
Subj: Rodent

(Excerpt from a message dated 08-30-99, Lee Aroner to David Noon)

Hi Lee--

LA>   I'm still searching for a coherent explaination/layout of the 
  >   Family Mode(?) API.

    Programs written using only the Family API functions could be
induced to run both in real mode under DOS and in 16-bit protected mode
under OS/2.  The best source of information on FAPI functions is the
OS/2 1.3 version of the "Control Program Programming Reference."

    There is a fairly good discussion of the underlying design and usage
of the Family API in Gordon Letwin's book "Inside OS/2" [ISBN
1-556615-117-9], Microsoft Press, 1988, pp 251-256.  (Letwin was the
Microsoft "Chief Architect" for systems software during the joint
development program.)  The FAPI Library (contained in "bound" EXE files
that could run under either system) includes DOS (INT 21h) analogs of
the equivalent OS/2 FAPI calls.  When running the program in real mode
under DOS, these "library" functions are called; when running in
protected mode under OS/2, the calls are to the equivalent 16-bit OS/2
API function DLLs.  The "decision" as to which set to enable is
established by the program loader.  As I understand it, there is no way
to switch operating modes during execution of the program.

    According to the book "Converting Applications to OS/2" by
Moskowitz, Evans, and Bergman [ISBN 0-13-171943-2], Brady Books (Simon &
Shuster), 1989: "There isn't really anything magical about the FAPI
library.  It represents the OS/2 [v 1.x] functions that Microsoft and
IBM thought would be most needed and/or used if people wanted to create
dual-mode applications."  This book presents methods for creating your
own "FAPI" library of dual-use 16-bit functions (pp 205-211), as well
procedures for porting C programs from DOS to "native" 16-bit OS/2.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     03-Sep-99 22:54:01
  To: David Noon                                        03-Sep-99 22:54:01
Subj: Character sets

(Excerpts from a message dated 08-31-99, David Noon to Murray Lesser)

Hi David--

ML>    ASCII became a computer problem in 1964 with IBM's announcement of
ML>the 8-bit System/360 and its associated 8-bit (plus parity) tape drives.
ML>The ANSI committee met to decide how to "embed" seven-bit ASCII in the
ML>new 8-bit medium.  Officially, ASCII is still a 7-bit code: the eighth
ML>(high-order) bit in "true" ASCII embodiments is always zero!  The eighth
ML>bit was put to use (for desktop machines) in the IBM PC (1981) with the
ML>IBM-defined "extended ASCII" that made the top 128 characters available
ML>for keyboard input, but has never been adopted as an official standard.

DN>Yes, ASCII was junk then and is still junk now, compared to EBCDIC.

DN>What I could never fathom was why IBM allowed the PC to be developed
  >using ASCII, when all the other platforms IBM manufactured in the
  >late 1970's used EBCDIC. The S/370, S/3x, S/7 and S/1 were all EBCDIC
  >boxes, as were all of IBM's network front-end processors. All the
  >control sequences for BSC and SDLC communications were EBCDIC. In
  >that context, ASCII made no sense at all!

DN>It still doesn't.

    Nowadays, the Average Idiot Home User hasn't heard of any character
code other than ASCII, if even that :-(.  As you well know, the stupid
collating sequence of ASCII is due to the great desire of AT&T to pack
everything they thought anybody would ever want into seven bits, while
letting the presence of a single bit differentiate between lower- and
upper-case alpha characters (a desirable characteristic only for fully
mechanical terminals).  Making sense (from a computer-architectural
standpoint) has never been a requirement for standards committees!  (I
have a great dislike, based on many years of past participation, of most
computer-related standardizing activities.  The standards committee
members seem to be more interested in showing how smart they are than in
following Euripides' "legacy" law of computer architecture:  "The gods
visit the sins of the fathers upon the children.")

    As to why the PC architecture included the use of ASCII as an
internal character code: since I had nothing to do with the IBM PC
development, I have only some conjectures.  The PC was developed by a
semi-independent group in Florida.  The then upper management of IBM
didn't believe it was ever going to go anywhere, so probably didn't care
that the original perpetrators were using their 8-bit version of ASCII
instead of EBCDIC!  The character-code choice may have had something to
do with the fact that the 7-bit version of ASCII (embedded in eight
bits) was being used in most desktop machines up to that date.  (My CP/M
machine, vintage 1979, used a so-called ASCII terminal that had no way
to input the high-order eighth bit.)  Only some word processors of the
time used that bit for anything.

    The 8088/86 instruction set was derived from the 8080 set, and two
of the three operating systems originally offered for the IBM PC were
(to some extent) "upward compatible" from CP/M.  IMO, the PC fathers did
the best that they could to make ASCII barely usable, supplying both the
missing "upper" 128 characters and also text-mode graphic symbols for
the otherwise useless (by then) ASCII control characters.  We OS/2
children are still living with the results of their sins.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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