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From: Don Guy                                           01-Sep-99 06:54:21
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Quantum Lightning SCSI HDDs

{Greetings and Salivatations, All!}

 begin

I've sent this question off to Quantum Tech Support, but ol' Fido has never
failed me yet in these matters...  :-)

I have a 540Mb drive of the flavor noted in the subj., which the previous
owner informs me that he had disabled termination on the drive by removing a
jumper (he does not remember which one).

Quantum's web site however states that "Lightning SCSI does not use a jumper
to determine termination.  The drive utilizes resistor packs."

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle if there's anything on that drive where it looks 
like one might install/remove "resistor packs."  There are however two
unmarked (and currently open) pairs of jumper pins just north of the PO
jumper.

Any ideas?

 end;
     {Don}



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From: August Abolins                                    02-Sep-99 01:27:21
  To: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Internet Phone

Hi Andy!

On 08-30-1999 at 06:34:10AM, 
Andy Roberts (1:109/921.1) wrote to Andrew Grillet:

 AR> That is when I made my big mistake.  I went looking for a manufacturer
 AR> and distributor.  I contacted Radio Shack, among others.  I spent a
 AR> lot of time on the phone, but never actually showed anyone my
 AR> prototype.  No contracts were signed.  3 months later Radio Shack
 AR> released their version built into their computer with their software. 
 AR> Granted their's was not cheap nor flexible. But I had no doubt where
 AR> they got the idea from.

You did this all on the phone?  Sounds like you described your product too
much.  At most, you should have arranged to have a personal meeting and have
non-disclosure documents signed prior to your presentation.


 .aa.

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From: Herbert Bushong                                   01-Sep-99 17:16:00
  To: Gene Tucker                                       04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Sio

::> KS>I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore  about Sio. The Quatech
::> KS>OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are

::> HG>What do you mean by "more stable"?  I have been running SIO ever
::> HG>since OS/2 v2.1 and have never had any failures on neither outgoing
::> HG>nor incoming calls.

::> And the beta although it is aging to is good for serveral differnet PCI ca
::> it is stable and able to run more than just one type of hardware. I just w
::> Ray would get a new beta out.

And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM. 

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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Sep-99 12:09:12
  To: Mike Roark                                        04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Hi Mike,

 DC> Then again I am weird, I don't run a cover and have cables 
 DC> running from inside the system all over the place ;)

 MR> Aha.. Someone else with dangly-wire syndrome.. ;-) I 
 MR> had a connector on the PS go bad, and not having the 
 MR> time to replace it, I just added another splitter.. 
 MR> Problem is that it is one of the long ones. So it hangs 
 MR> outside the normal size of the case. Don't think the 
 MR> case has been on the computer in years.. Then I looked 
 MR> at the back of the desk, and I'm not even going to 
 MR> attempt to sort through that for a while.. ;-)

Yep, there is something really satisfying about having heaps of electrical
current runing in miles of cable around your bare feet. Besides, it keeps the
feet warm in winter.............;-)


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From: Stephen Haffly                                    03-Sep-99 08:43:19
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  04-Sep-99 08:20:03
Subj: sound card problem

On (01 Sep 99) Leonard Erickson wrote to All...

Hi Leonard,

 LE> I've got some dos mode stuff that I still use that needs to access my
 LE> sound card. The problem is, they either don't see it, or telse they
 LE> think they see it, but no sound comes out.

 LE> It's a Media vision PAS 16, but they pretty much think it's a
 LE> sound-blaster.

PAS 16 has two sides, the 16 bit side and an 8 bit sound blaster
compatable.  In effect, it is two cards in one, and requires setting up
two IRQ's and DMA channels for it to work right.

These are the lines I used when I had that card installed in my OS/2
Warp setup:

REM *** Multimedia Drivers
DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\MVPRODD.SYS /I:11 /D:5 /S:1,220,1,5 /N:PAS161$
DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\AUDIOVDD.SYS PAS161$


The main part used IRQ 11 and DMA 5.  The Sound Blaster side used IRQ 5,
DMA 1, which is pretty standard for Sound Blaster.

The other part I found is that MIDI files wouldn't play right with DOS
programs unless I used the DOS mixer drivers that came with the card to
initialize the card.  .WAV files played fine.  I just made sure that
when I wanted to play a game that used MIDI files that I first started a
DOS session and initialized the card.

Hope this helps,


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    01-Sep-99 12:48:13
  To: Lee Aroner                                        04-Sep-99 15:15:26
Subj: Quatech free 32 ports

Hello Lee,
zaterdag 28 augustus 1999 07.44, LEE ARONER wrote to KRIS STEENHAUT:

 JP>> Given that SIO has been at around version 1.60 for quite a while
 JP>> now, I think that 8-port SIO version 1.02 is probably in need of
 JP>> an update. (-:
 LA>    For everyone else's benefit, the direct URL is:

 LA>        http://WWW.quatech.com/public/os2spdd.htm

Right, thank you.



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    01-Sep-99 12:50:21
  To: Mike Roark                                        04-Sep-99 15:15:26
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Mike,
zaterdag 28 augustus 1999 07.40, Mike Roark wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 MR> Hello Kris!

 MR> Thursday August 19 1999 09:23, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Mike Roark:


 MR> I wonder if there is something different between the different
 MR> language versions of OS/2 and the video drivers. If Matrox only makes
 MR> an American English version, and there is a difference between that
 MR> and say the Dutch or German, or UK version, that could also explain
 MR> the problems. Who knows what IBM does when they translate things.. ;-)

It's looks rather unbelievable, but we have seen more unbelievable things
lately, haven't we?



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    01-Sep-99 13:14:23
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    04-Sep-99 15:15:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hello Eddy,
zaterdag 28 augustus 1999 11.45, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Jonathan de Boyne
Pollard:

 ET> telephone device which I did both and my modem and my computer don't
 ET> have to be turned on to make a voice telephone call, it doesn't
 ET> matter. I can't think this would be different for ISDN.


Actually, it is different. I can sent/receive analogue voice calls while I am
ISDN on the Internet (or one of the few ISDN BBS's). On the very same line,
ofcoz.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    02-Sep-99 12:48:10
  To: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 15:15:26
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Andy,
maandag 30 augustus 1999 11.23, Andy Roberts wrote to Eddy Thilleman:


 AR> AFAIK 2.23 was the latest driver last week.  But I'm eagerly waiting
 AR> for a newer and fixed driver so I can enable Java and get all the
 AR> colors.

I wouldn't put my eggs in that basket anymore.

I tried already the beta 2.30 & 2.31 drivers. The beta 2.30 are even worser
than the 2.22, the 2.31 gives an amelioration, but it is still bad, bad enough 
to be not acceptable at all.

And you've noticed probably Matrox only makes Windxxx9x only executables
bios-upgrades avaible. There's a workaround ofcoz, but imho that's not very
reassuring in respect to Matrox's support for non-Windoze platforms.

Anyway, in almost the same computer (same Mobo, SCSI-system, but only 64 Mb
Ram instead of 256 on mine), I put there an S3 Virge DX. With the latest
1.03.25 drivers. Well,  this el cheapo works marvellous. Even though the S3
has only 4 Mb memory whereas the matrox has 8.
The NS glitches, the lockups and hangs simply doesn't occur on the S3 'puter.

Moreover, if on mine, when I do switch the Matrox drivers for the SDD, these
miserable phenomenae go away. This is a solid confirmation the Matrox drivers
do suck indeed.

Only snag with the SDD drivers here is the Acrobatic reader does acrobatics.
I'm hoping this will be fixed togheter with the SDD general release.


 AR> Furthermore I think both NetScape and Java have some serious bugs.
 AR> Those bugs may not show up on all web pages equally, nor all systems
 AR> equally, nor all apps equally, nor all Matrox cards equally, nor all
 AR> Matrox drivers equally.

Must say I hadn't had any lock up on the S3 'puter hit hereto.

 AR> You can be very sure I'm not at all happy to report that.

You can be sure I'm not happy at all with this Matrox stuff.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    03-Sep-99 11:16:10
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    04-Sep-99 15:15:26
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> Same here, but the 2.23 driver runs fine with 65535 colors.

 ET> I run with 32 bits color depth.

I have gone back to the 2.20.6 from the CD that came with the Matrox, all
problems are solved now.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Gene Tucker                                       04-Sep-99 17:40:00
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   04-Sep-99 17:40:00
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-01-99, Herbert Bushong said to Gene Tucker:


::> KS>I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore  about Sio. The Quatech
::> KS>OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are

::> HG>What do you mean by "more stable"?  I have been running SIO ever
::> HG>since OS/2 v2.1 and have never had any failures on neither outgoing
::> HG>nor incoming calls.

::> And the beta although it is aging to is good for serveral differnet PCI ca
::> it is stable and able to run more than just one type of hardware. I just w
::> Ray would get a new beta out.

HB>And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM. 

And I love Vmodem! <grin>
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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Sep-99 07:07:02
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    04-Sep-99 19:14:10
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Tuesday August 31 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Steve
Mccrystal:
;
Kris,

 SM>> Just curious... more stable than what?

 KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
 KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
 KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.

 KS> On Fido Iwas always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost 31200;
 KS> on the same BBS's, ofcoz.

You understand, of course, that what you're describing here is unlikely at
best, and in any case has nothing to do with what what com drivers you're
using... or with stability?

 KS> Imho, the Sio never have match completely the move from Warp 3
 KS> --> Warp 4.

Darn... I'm glad you added the qualifier to that!

 SM>> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?

 KS> The files are free for download. A free 32 port version. Don't
 KS> see  much reason to pay for more for getting less.

Aha, them you don't use VMODEM, or PMLM, or...

I have the Quatech drivers here, have had for some time.  I'd gladly pay Ray
again just so I didn't have to waste the time trying to make the Quatech
drivers FIND my 3 com ports!  Over the years, the only change I've had to make 
to the SIO lines in config.sys were those necessary to lock my modem port and
add a virtual port for VMODEM to use..

 SM>> I own one, and altho it is very fine hardware, it is far from free!

 KS> They give us a good reason to buy their hardware, don't they,

Well, yes they do.  However, so has Ray Gwinn! I'm sure glad *I* did, else I
might have HAD TO use the Quatech drivers!

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Sep-99 07:25:00
  To: LEE ARONER                                        04-Sep-99 19:14:10
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Sunday August 29 1999>, LEE ARONER writes to STEVE MCCRYSTAL:
;
LEE,

 LA> The driver supports legacy (MBoard) hardware without any
 LA> qualifications and at very high speeds.

That's what the docs say.  I'll be damned if they do here! :^)  I killed a
tree or two printing the PDF file, played around for a couple of hours, and
couldn't get the things to FIND all three of my com ports.  I don't have the
Quatech board installed at the moment, so I was working with entirely legacy
motherboard mounted ports plus an additional single port card my modem is
hooked to. FWIW, SIO also correctly IDs the 16750 UART on that port. The
Quatech drivers couldn't *ever* find it, even when I told them exactly where
to look!

 LA> No contest for me which I'll be using

Nor for me!

Should I desire to shoot for the completely impossible (like increasing modem
connect speeds by changing com drivers) I may try the Quatech stuff again.

Nah... I don't think so!

 LA>  but for the completely penurious, it might be an option.

I'll use the primary definition! :^)

-[Steve]-

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From: Holger Granholm                                   03-Sep-99 17:14:00
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    04-Sep-99 19:14:10
Subj: SIO

In a message dated 08-31-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Steve Mccrystal:

Hello Kris,

 SM> Just curious... more stable than what?

KS>More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
KS>Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
KS>regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.

That's your experience. I have regular 48000 connects to my ISP with a
TeleWell 56k V90 modem and SIO.

KS>On Fido Iwas always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost 31200; on
KS>the same BBS's, ofcoz.

The same modem gives me 3700 - 3800 cps Fido transfers both sending and
receiving. That is the maximum speed to be expected from a 33600 bps
analog connect. Still using SIO.

KS>Imho, the Sio never have match completely the move from Warp 3 -->
KS>Warp 4.

Again, that is your experience. Mileages may vary.

 SM> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?

KS>The files are free for download. A free 32 port version. Don't see 
KS>much reason to pay for more for getting less.

You seem to avoid answering that question!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Sep-99 23:20:14
  To: David Calafrancesco                               04-Sep-99 20:36:04
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Hi David,

28 Aug 99, David Calafrancesco of 1:2624/306 wrote to Herbert Bushong:

DC> At around 2cm tall it also stacks nicely on top of a
DC> mini-tower case, 

Don't you have a big-big-tower?? I call that weird. ;-)

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Will Honea                                        04-Sep-99 16:57:00
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   04-Sep-99 16:57:00
Subj: Sio

Herbert Bushong wrote to Gene Tucker on 09-01-1999

HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM. 

And my personal favorite, PMLM.  Either of these is probably worth the
registration fee.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       04-Sep-99 03:38:00
  To: ROY J. TELLASON                                   05-Sep-99 00:19:13
Subj: SIO

Some senseless babbling from Roy J. Tellason to Peter Knapper
on 09-03-99  15:04 about SIO...

 RJT> Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Kris Steenhaut:
 
 KS>>  The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more
 KS>> stable,
 
 SM> Just curious... more stable than what?
 
 KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with 
 KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have 
 KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
 
 PK> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications 
 PK> driver that handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating 
 PK> System, can possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem? 
 PK> Its news to me that the serial port is in any way involved in 
 PK> the Analogue line negotiations that the modem makes with its 
 PK> Analog connection point...

 RJT> It would seem to me that a port driver that's better written and able
 RJT> to deal with actually moving more data through a port would also
 RJT> support higher connect rates...

No, not at all.  The connection speed of a modem has nothing to do with the 
speed of the serial port.  SIO can handle speeds up to 921600 (hardware 
permitting) with no problems.  

Even an 8250 UART can handle the maximum speed of a V.90 modem (though it 
requires more interrupts, due to the small buffers).

The new version of SIO (which appears to be stuck in beta) supports up to 
255 ports, incidentally.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 07:28:15
  To: Bat Lang                                          05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Matrox drivers?

 Bat Lang,

02-Sep-99 23:38:32, Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger
          Subject: Matrox drivers?

 GF>> with the latest drivers and flash bios code.

 BL> Where did you get your flash bios code, and what version # ? I am
 BL> using 2.7 here. If yours is no later than that, forget the source.

2.7 is old for your original Matrox Millennium.  Try 3.0

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Setup351.exe Apr. 9, 1999 720 KB
 Matrox BIOS files supporting G200 and G400 Series
 Matrox Setup and Utilities Rev 3.51. Supports G200 series, Productiva
 G100, Millennium 2, Mystique 220, Mystique and Millennium Please view
 the bios notes.
 http://www.matrox.com/mga/drivers/bios/home2.htm
 BIOSes that have changed are highlighted (**)
   Mystique                        BIOS version 1.8.37     858-8
   Mystique RRunner                BIOS version 1.8.14     861-8
   Millennium                      BIOS version 3.0.60     838-20
   MillenniumII PCI                BIOS version 1.5.24     859-5
   MillenniumII AGP                BIOS version 1.4.14     865-4
   Millennium II PCI RRunner       BIOS version 1.4.03     876-4
   Millennium II AGP RRunner       BIOS version 1.3.03     877-3
 **MGA G100 AGP                    BIOS version 1.6.22     874-6
   MGA G100 PCI                    BIOS version 1.2.09     873-2
   MGA G100 TVO AGP                BIOS Version 1.5.01     874-5TVO
 **MGA G200 PCI                    BIOS version 2.3.08     899-23
 **MGA G200 AGP                    BIOS version 2.3.11     900-23
   Mystique/Marvel G200 TVO AGP    BIOS version 2.2.04     900-22TV
   Marvel G200 TVO PCI             BIOS version 2.2.04     899-22TV
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bios_104.exe Aug. 3, 1999 837 KB
 Matrox BIOS files supporting G200 and G400 Series
 Matrox Setup and Utilities Rev 1.04 Supports G200 and G400 series
 Please view the bios notes.
 http://www.matrox.com/mga/drivers/bios/home2.htm                              
      
 The Unified DOS Utilities ver 1.04 Build 000
 This release only applies to G200- and G400- based boards.
 Installation instructions:
 1. Download the bios_104.exe file.
 2. Double click on the file to extract it.
 3. Extract the file to an empty folder (default c:\mgafold)
 4. Go to that folder and view the README file for more details.
 Changes:
 - (All BIOSes) Fix boot up problem on some systems with a TV connected.
 - (All BIOSes) Fix WIn9x reboot issue occuring on some systems
 - (G400 only) Fix small bug with panning causing corruptions.
 Changes to Progbios.exe
 - Bug fix
 BIN files
 (BIOSes that have changed are highlighted **)
 **MGA G200 PCI                    BIOS version 2.6.17             899-26
 **MGA G200 AGP                    BIOS version 2.6.20             900-26
 **Mystique/Marvel G200 TVO AGP    BIOS version 2.6.14             900-26TV
 **Marvel G200 TVO PCI             BIOS version 2.6.14             899-26TV
 **MGA G400                        BIOS version 1.5.22             897-15
 **MGA G400 TVO                    BIOS version 1.5.11             897-15TV
 Utilities:
 **- Progbios ver 1.94d
 - PCISPY ver 1.19s
 - Makedisk.exe
 - DI8.exe
 - UBiosDos.exe ver 1.1
 - UBiosWin.exe ver 1.5
 - VBEXT.exe ver 1.2
 - Pbios9x.exe ver 1.5
 - PbiosNT.exe ver 1.5 
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BTW, the original Millennium is the only Matrox with a switch to prevent/allow
BIOS overwrite.  You'll probably need a magnifing glass to see the switch.
You can find exactly which of the 2 switches in milleng.pdf 566,672.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Herbert Bushong                                   03-Sep-99 14:12:00
  To: David Calafrancesco                               05-Sep-99 02:18:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

::>  HB> I've read your reasons for wanting an internal (the Courier
::>  HB> was my first  external), but personally, I'd move my grandma
::>  HB> out of the way to make room for  my Courier :)

::> At around 2cm tall it also stacks nicely on top of a mini-tower case, othe
::> wasted space in most systems. Then again I am weird, I don't run a cover a
::> have cables running from inside the system all over the place ;)

hehe, that's where I keep mine, on the tower case :)

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From: Andrew Grillet                                    01-Sep-99 07:34:19
  To: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 06:44:27
Subj: Internet Phone

Hi Andy,

-=> On 30 Aug 99  06:34:20 Andy Roberts said to Andrew Grillet <=-

 AR> Andrew Grillet,

 AR>> Would you please provide more details about your Internet Phone?
 
 AG> It exists only as a concept - basically, looks like an 'ornery'
 AG> phone, but if you dial a long distance number, it dials your ISP
 AG> and sends voice over tcp/ip instead - thus bypassing LD or
 AG> international call charges.

 AR> But requires special services at the receiving end???

Yes. So does a Fax machine and e-mail.
 
 AG> I invented the 'sinclair' microdrive, the programable organ
 AG> (before casio, etc), pay per view TV, and numerous other things
 AG> that were later invented by others. Unfortunately I don't have the
 AG> contacts to make anything of the inventions.)

 AR> "Concepts" and ideas are easy to copy.  

I gave it to them as a 'loss leader' at a job interview. They offered me
a job, but Xerox offered me double the pay rate, so I went to work for
Xerox.

 AR> Even if you have a prototype
 AR> regardless of patents and copyrights, your "contacts" may cut you out
 AR> of the cash flow.  Much safer to start up your own manufacturing
 AR> facility where your product can remain a secret until you have a large
 AR> quantity and can get a payback from sales.

If only I had some capital. 

<Description of clever idea>

 AR> I felt it would sell.

 AR> That is when I made my big mistake.  I went looking for a manufacturer
 AR> and distributor.  I contacted Radio Shack, among others.  I spent a lot
 AR> of time on the phone, but never actually showed anyone my prototype. 
 AR> No contracts were signed.  3 months later Radio Shack released their
 AR> version built into their computer with their software.  Granted their's
 AR> was not cheap nor flexible. But I had no doubt where they got the idea
 AR> from. 

Did you get them to sign aa non-disclosure treaty? It is MUCH more
binding than a patent. If they ratted on that, then you could have
sued the pants off them. Even in England you could probably get
a lawyer to sue speculatively, or get legal aid. Their name would have
been mud - no city trader would touch their shares if they were caught
breaking one.

<symptoms of depression>

 AR> I attribute most of my failure to my ignorance (at the time) of the
 AR> manufacturing and distribution chain from an individual inventor's
 AR> perspective.  All my previous inventions and prototypes were made
 AR> while I worked for some large company.  So the companies I worked for
 AR> already had the distribution and sales lined up.  All I had to do
 AR> previously was come up with a great idea, build a prototype and at most
 AR> organize a small pilot run of the product.  

I have spent plenty of time working for large companies. For the most part,
even if I gave them a brilliant invention, they didn't want to know.

GEC Snartcard rejected the idea of pay-per-view TV.

 AR> So having a bright idea is 1 thing.

 AR> Researching the market and competition is another.

 AR> Perfecting your product is another.

 AR> Getting your product to market before the competition is pretty stiff.

 AR> Finding a way to keep the secrets all the way through the many
 AR> "contacts" until your product is ready to flood the market is very
 AR> important. 
 AR> My advice, either try to control the whole process from beginning to
 AR> end, or get under some other big company's umbrella.

I'd love to. However, I have no contacts with any money, and I have enough
problems paying the rent. Its my experience that UK industry hates the idea
of making anything new, and would probably rather pay a mafia hit man to
get rid of you than make a new product. The Ford motor company said my
new car engine was great, and probably much better than what they were
making, but they already had a production line set up for the current type
of engine, and they weren't about to reinvest.

I am not short of viable ideas. I am short of friends or family who have 
any money. This is normal in the UK. Our tax system is designed to make 
everyone equal/poor as hell.

I prefer my ideas to be ripped off than die a death in a cupboard.

The government is opposed to producing things. For some reason they
have this strange belief that the future lies in having a 'service
economy' which is like saying 'we will pay the rent by washing our
own dishes'. Farming is now producing 1/4 of what it did two years
ago (ie at the height of the Mad Cow Disease fiasco). The government
tells the farmers - its OK: there are plenty of jobs for insurance 
salesmen and bankers!

Depressing being an inventor, isn't it.

Andrew



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From: Andrew Grillet                                    01-Sep-99 07:54:12
  To: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 06:44:28
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hi Andy,

-=> On 30 Aug 99  09:36:36 Andy Roberts said to Andrew Grillet <=-

 AR> Andrew Grillet,


 AR> I have a feeling USR does test a sample of their Sportsters and
 AR> probably a larger sample if not all their Couriers.


I doubt they test the Sportsters.  certainly not the PCMCIA ones, which
seem to have a very high faailure rate.

 AR>> ZOOM is cheap but not economical.
 
 AG> This is not my experience.

 AR> We'll see in the long run.

It IS the ling run. I used my zoom for a while and then gave it
to my brother. 
 
 AR>> Way too may users including myself have been put on Hold for many
 AR>> hours waiting to get a ZOOM RMA.  

I ahve done that too. They sent me a new firmware set by post for no 
charge. Maybe because I am a sysop.

 AR> Granted in my case that was years ago, when ZOOM was popular.  

Its true, I ahve not bought a zoom since V34.

 AR>> After that I just threw the
 AR>> ZOOM modems on the shelf and didn't waste my time even trying to
 AR>> get an RMA if I could not get it within 15 minutes.
 
 AG> But at least 50% worked?

 AR> Maybe
 
 AG> In my experience, 5/5 work.

Typo, I meant to type 4/5.

 AG> And its still cheaper buy two and throw 50% away than to buy USR!

 AR> No Way.!

 AR> While it may have been so that you could buy a ZOOM for 1/2 the price
 AR> of a USR Courier, that is not cheaper.  

 AR> That scenario is based on long past experience.  Are the present ZOOM
 AR> modems still 1/2 the price of the Sportster?  (ie.: ~$35)  If not, then
 AR> the economics are even less in favor of ZOOM.

I accept my experience is probably two years out of date - time flies when
you dial LD :-) I believe that part of this is because you are in Zone 1.

Here, a Courier costs UKL230 - about $300, while a Zoom or
a Sportster is about $100.

And of the two, I would say Zoom is definitely better than Sportster.
(See others posting messages about lock-ups, non negotiation, etc)

 AR> Either way that's also assuming the user's time is not worth anything
 AR> at all. Even if the user is making free local calls, the ZOOM will take
 AR> longer to accomplish the same data transfer than the USR.  

Only by 2-3% at best. At $0.03 per minute, it takes a lot of
call time to pay an extra 100 for a modem.

 AR> So given the
 AR> same usage over the life of the modem, the ZOOM user will waste many
 AR> hours of time. 

The average life of a modem is less than 2 years. Particularly if it
is not a Courier! Hainv said that, I still have a courier v34
'with ADSL' which is not economic to upgrade, and does not
do callss 2 or 2.0 fax, and thus is no use, and not
worth the cost of an upgrade.

 AG> I own both Zoom and USR modems,

 AR> So do I.  And the last of my 1/2 a dozen ZOOM modems (a 14.4 from
 AR> before ZOOM's downfall) is limping along just well enough to send Fax. 
 AR> I never use it for data anymore.

My brother is now using my internal Zoom for Internet access on a daily 
basis. He has not complained to me once about it. The one I use for the 
BBS has run every day since I got it with no problems - except it says
its flashable but it won't flash - probably three years or more.

 AR> I have 2 of those ZOOM 28.8 V.FC modems.  One of my local logon users
 AR> was using a 2400.  I gave him the other good ZOOM 28.8 V.FC and told
 AR> him he could just keep it, unless I had a major emergency that wipped
 AR> out all my other modems.  Actually I just told him that, since he
 AR> didn't want to take a free gift and I knew he could not afford a new
 AR> modem.  Loaner was acceptable to him, even though I didn't want it
 AR> back.  A few months later he gave the modem back because he bought a
 AR> WinModem that had better performance.  Sheesh... I can't even give a
 AR> ZOOM modem away free. 

I love this story! Its great!

 AG> Where performance justifies it get a Courier. Where it doesn't,
 AG> Rockwell is seriously better than no-name junk.

 AR> I think if the user intended to get a new modem every year or so and
 AR> poor performance in the mean time is of no concern, then maybe the
 AR> lesser price for the ZOOM can be justified.  

My point entirely. An external real Zoom is far better than a Winmodem
IMHO. (evidently YMMD).

 AR> But the distinction between Rockwell (which is primarily ZOOM) and
 AR> no-name (which is primarily ZOOM) rebadged to protect the rotten
 AR> reputation of the guilty, is IMO trying to draw a fine line between the
 AR> bottom and where the bottom fell out.

 AR> Anyway I'm glad you got 5 good ZOOM modems.  I have a feeling my

Sorry about the typo - the 2nd one did have to have its firmware replaced 
(twice) before it would accept incoming calls.

And I admit that I sold/gave away three, and only have two left. 

 AR> Courier will still be working long after all ZOOM modems have died and
 AR> gone to.. Well.. <g> 

I expect mine will too. But the price difference is much bigger for us
for some reason - a Courier is three times the price of a Zoom here.

Andrew

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From: David Calafrancesco                               04-Sep-99 22:57:13
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 06:44:28
Subj: SIO

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 RJT> Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Kris Steenhaut:

 KS>>  The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more
 KS>> stable,

 SM> Just curious... more stable than what?

 KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with 
 KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have 
 KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.

 PK> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications 
 PK> driver that handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating 
 PK> System, can possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem? 
 PK> Its news to me that the serial port is in any way involved in 
 PK> the Analogue line negotiations that the modem makes with its 
 PK> Analog connection point...

 RJT> It would seem to me that a port driver that's better written
 RJT> and able to deal with actually moving more data through a
 RJT> port would also support higher connect rates...

Nope. What the better comm driver can do is run the computer to modem connect
at optimum rates. The only thing that can affect the modem to modem connect
rate is the modems and the phone lines. Period. Once negotiated at a
particular rate, assume 48000 for discussion, the connection between computer
and modem (along with the protocols used) can affect throughput. If I take a
V90 modem and connect it to my computer using a locked port rate of 38,400 and 
software handshaking (sending ascii start and stop characters) then the
throughput will be no better than the worst 28k modems. It won't take
advantage of data compression as the modem will always be ready to send and
not take the time to compress the outbound data. The modems will be stopped
waiting to clear the inbound packets often and as such transfers will seem to
crawl. Take the same hardware and connect computer to modem at 115200 using
hardware flow and the throughput of that same 48000 connect can jump to the
full 115200 rate that the computers are connected at with the use of inline
data compression. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               04-Sep-99 23:02:27
  To: Mike Roark                                        05-Sep-99 06:44:28
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Mike Roark wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 MR> Saturday August 28 1999 11:00, David Calafrancesco wrote to
 MR> Herbert Bushong: 

 DC> otherwise wasted space in most systems. Then again I am weird, I don't
 DC> run a cover and have cables running from inside the system all over
 DC> the place ;)

 MR> Aha.. Someone else with dangly-wire syndrome.. ;-) I had a
 MR> connector on the PS go bad, and not having the time to
 MR> replace it, I just added another splitter.. Problem is that
 MR> it is one of the long ones. So it hangs outside the normal
 MR> size of the case. Don't think the case has been on the
 MR> computer in years.. Then I looked at the back of the desk,
 MR> and I'm not even going to attempt to sort through that for a
 MR> while.. ;-)

Tell me about it... about every three years I make an effort to shut
everything down and pull all the cables out and put them back in their storage 
boxes. I usually find an extra dozen power cables tangled in the mess from
where I had unplugged something from both ends and it was all twisted in the
mess and I wasn't willing to drop the rest of the systems to pull a $1 power
cord. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               04-Sep-99 23:07:21
  To: Don Guy                                           05-Sep-99 06:44:28
Subj: Quantum Lightning SCSI HDDs

Don Guy wrote in a message to All:

 DG> {Greetings and Salivatations, All!}

 DG>  begin

 DG> I've sent this question off to Quantum Tech Support, but ol'
 DG> Fido has never failed me yet in these matters...  :-)

 DG> I have a 540Mb drive of the flavor noted in the subj., which
 DG> the previous owner informs me that he had disabled
 DG> termination on the drive by removing a jumper (he does not
 DG> remember which one).

 DG> Quantum's web site however states that "Lightning SCSI does
 DG> not use a jumper to determine termination.  The drive
 DG> utilizes resistor packs."

 DG> Well I'll be a monkey's uncle if there's anything on that
 DG> drive where it looks like one might install/remove "resistor
 DG> packs."  There are however two unmarked (and currently open)
 DG> pairs of jumper pins just north of the PO jumper. 

 DG> Any ideas?

Look on the circuit card side for several rows of little inline pin holes or
else one or two empty DIM sockets. If you can't find them then either Quantum
is lying or you haven't looked hard enough. I don't use Quantums myself so
can't tell you what exactly to look for on the drive but have used SCSI drives 
for over 14 years (since before my BBS went up) and have seen every form of
termination imaginable. I got so fed up that I now exclusively remove all
termination from every drive and use an inline terminator at the end of my
cables. One for my internal chain and one for my externals. It saves lots of
problems with the damn things. I used to have to keep the resister packs safe
somewhere and know which went where on what drive, what a mess... 

A terminator should be a few bucks at a computer faire. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: David Calafrancesco                               04-Sep-99 23:14:15
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Sep-99 06:44:28
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 ET> 28 Aug 99, David Calafrancesco of 1:2624/306 wrote to
 ET> Herbert Bushong: 

DC> At around 2cm tall it also stacks nicely on top of a
DC> mini-tower case, 

 ET> Don't you have a big-big-tower?? I call that weird. ;-)

Nope, don't have a big tower, I am only running 7 SCSI drives, 1 IDE, and a
CD-ROM. The IDE and CD are in the main mid tower (though could easily be a
minitower) that the motherboard and floppy live in. The 7 SCSI drives are in
an old mid tower, with 3 of the drives living in a cage removed from another
case designed to hold 3.5" drives. This cage lives down where the motherboard
would normally be but could easily be mounted to the back wall of the case or
sit in the 5.25" drive bay space. A simple SCSI cable goes from the card to
the second case. Power is always on for the drives, even when I pull the BBS
system apart. That way I never have to worry about the drives not spinning
back up because of thermal shock or swelling or whatever it is that seems to
kill a SCSI driver after three+ years of continuous duty. All 5 systems run on 
the 1000w APC Smart UPS though I don't use the autoshutdown feature yet. Once
I shut down the rest of the systems in a power failure, the drives will keep
spinning for another 30-45 minutes. 

Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   04-Sep-99 22:31:15
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       05-Sep-99 08:14:15
Subj: SIO

MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:

 RJT> It would seem to me that a port driver that's better written and able
 RJT> to deal with actually moving more data through a port would also
 RJT> support higher connect rates...

 MR> No, not at all.  The connection speed of a modem has nothing to 
 MR> do with the speed of the serial port.  SIO can handle speeds up 
 MR> to 921600 (hardware permitting) with no problems.

I've never heard of a baud rate that high...

 MR> Even an 8250 UART can handle the maximum speed of a V.90 modem 
 MR> (though it requires more interrupts, due to the small buffers).

Yes?  And what else can the machine be doing while this is going on?  :-)

 MR> The new version of SIO (which appears to be stuck in beta) 
 MR> supports up to 255 ports, incidentally.

Hmm.

Since this is the second response to that post,  maybe I should try and
rephrase that.  It won't affect the "speed" of a serial port,  just the
throughput...

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From: George Fliger                                     04-Sep-99 20:46:07
  To: Bat Lang                                          05-Sep-99 08:14:15
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

On 2 Sep 99 11:38pm, Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger:

 -=> Quoting George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut, [01 Sep 99  06:00:00] <=-

 GF> Sorry you feel that way because I do not experience any of the
 GF> problems you describe with MY Matrox Millennium II.  It's been
 GF> extremely solid, especially with the latest drivers and flash bios
 GF> code.

 BL> Where did you get your flash bios code, and what version # ? I
 BL> am using 2.7 here. If yours is no later than that, forget the
 BL> source. {^; Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

I get mine straight from Matrox.  Since my Matrox is a Millennium II PCI
the latest bios code for it is 1.5.  I have that coupled with the
2.30.089 drivers (very solid here).

George


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  04-Sep-99 21:29:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     05-Sep-99 13:48:27
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

*** Quoting Peter Knapper to Mike Roark dated 09-04-99 ***
> Yep, there is something really satisfying about having heaps of 
> electrical current runing in miles of cable around your bare feet. 
> Besides, it keeps the feet warm in winter.............;-)

I use my old Sola UPS for that..
Actually, its a bit to warm after a few minutes..

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Bat Lang                                          05-Sep-99 01:42:03
  To: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 16:29:09
Subj: Matrox drivers?

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Bat Lang, [04 Sep 99  07:28:31] <=-

 AR> Bat Lang,

 BL> Where did you get your flash bios code, and what version # ? I am
 BL> using 2.7 here. If yours is no later than that, forget the source.

 AR> 2.7 is old for your original Matrox Millennium.  Try 3.0

 AR> Setup351.exe Apr. 9, 1999 720 KB

I already have that on a FD, I guess I better take a closer looksee. {^;

 AR> BTW, the original Millennium is the only Matrox with a switch to
 AR> prevent/allow BIOS overwrite.  You'll probably need a magnifing glass
 AR> to see the switch. You can find exactly which of the 2 switches in
 AR> milleng.pdf 566,672.

Thanks for the reminder. I flashed it at least once before, and had to
put on my 'supereyes' and use a flashlight. {^; Do you remember if you
can do it in a VDM, or does it need MS-DOS?  Thanks for the prod. {^;
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Steve McCrystal                                   04-Sep-99 07:37:21
  To: Peter Knapper                                     05-Sep-99 18:25:25
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Friday September 03 1999>, Peter Knapper writes to Kris
Steenhaut:
;
Peter,

 KS>> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333
 KS>> connect with Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With
 KS>> Quatech drivers I do have regular 48000 connect, and
 KS>> seldom 45.333 or 49333.

 PK> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications driver
 PK> that handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating System, can
 PK> possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem? Its news to me
 PK> that the serial port is in any way involved in the Analogue line
 PK> negotiations that the modem makes with its Analog connection
 PK> point...

IMHO, if he *can* explain it, and get anyone to buy it, he'll have proved
beyond a doubt that ol' PT Barnum was right! :^)

FWIW, it's news to a number of the rest of us, too!

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   04-Sep-99 07:41:04
  To: LEE ARONER                                        05-Sep-99 18:25:25
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

;
In a msg of <Thursday September 02 1999>, LEE ARONER writes to ANDREW LEARY:
;
LEE,

 LA>    Too bad they cost so much.

All things considered, they don't cost that much.  I have two of them, and I
know if I factor in the cost of the International calls I *didn't* loose, they 
have paid for themselves several times over.

 LA>  Guess it's like the old saying in hot-rodding:

 LA>        "Speed costs money...how fast do you wanna go?"

Or the ever popular "you can't beat cubic dollars!" (circa ~1960)

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   04-Sep-99 07:47:03
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 18:25:25
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Friday September 03 1999>, Roy J. Tellason writes to Peter
Knapper:
;
Roy,

 PK>> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications
 PK>> driver that handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating
 PK>> System, can possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem?
 PK>> Its news to me that the serial port is in any way involved
 PK>> in the Analogue line negotiations that the modem makes with
 PK>> its Analog connection point...

 RT> It would seem to me that a port driver that's better written and
 RT> able to deal with actually moving more data through a port would
 RT> also support higher connect rates...

Roy,

With all due respect, that's disappointing... coming from you.  While the
first part of what you say is quite correct, there is simply no way that a
port driver, regardless of how well written, will affect the *analog
negotiation* of connect speed.  At the time the analog
negotiation/handshake/whatever you'd call it takes place, the modems don't
know what they are connected to, or what driver is controlling the ports, nor
do they care!  The negotiation of connect speed, and any subsequent shifts up
or down as required, is entirely conducted between the modems, without respect 
to the quality of the drivers or the serial port hardware.

Now, it is possible for *flow control* (Xon/Xoff or RTS/CTS or both) to affect 
*throughput* due to differing driver quality, but that is unlikely on anything 
newer than a 286 machine (even with 16450 UARTS) and that has nothing
whatsoever to do with the negotiation of *connect speed*.

For an interesting test, it is possible to get two external modems to
negotiate a connect when only one of them is connected to a computer! At least 
it will work with externat USR modems... I've done it. Obviously, the callee
must be the one that is not connected, but the caller WILL dutifully report
the connect speed.

-[Steve]-

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From: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 08:24:01
  To: Andrew Grillet                                    05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: Internet Phone

 Andrew Grillet,

01-Sep-99 07:34:38, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts
 AG> -=> On 30 Aug 99  06:34:20 Andy Roberts said to Andrew Grillet <=-
          Subject: Internet Phone

 AR>>> Would you please provide more details about your Internet Phone?

 AG>> It exists only as a concept - basically, looks like an 'ornery'
 AG>> phone, but if you dial a long distance number, it dials your ISP
 AG>> and sends voice over tcp/ip instead - thus bypassing LD or
 AG>> international call charges.

 AR>> But requires special services at the receiving end???

 AG> Yes. So does a Fax machine and e-mail.

Yes but in both of those software and a computer is all that is required.  It
was your hardware that seemed intriguing.  Looked like you found a way to make
it useful for the completely computer illiterate.  I saw several similar
devices on various web sites going for from $100 up (some way up.)  So I
settled for the software only InterCom.  My sister-in-law can not get the
headset that came with Warp4 to fit very well and I use stereo headphones and
a desk mic, which my wife does not like.  So they don't use it.  I gutted a
cheap ordinary phone and put the plugs on it to fit my sound card, but I doubt
that will change their mind.  One more piece of software that I've paid the
registration for and don't use.

 AG>> I invented the 'sinclair' microdrive, the programable organ
 AG>> (before casio, etc), pay per view TV, and numerous other things
 AG>> that were later invented by others. Unfortunately I don't have
 AG>> the contacts to make anything of the inventions.)

 AR>> "Concepts" and ideas are easy to copy.

 AG> I gave it to them as a 'loss leader' at a job interview. They
 AG> offered me a job, but Xerox offered me double the pay rate, so I
 AG> went to work for Xerox.

Probably better off.  Stick with them.  Job hunting is no fun.  And steady
income makes the bill collectors and wife happy.

 AR>> Even if you have a prototype regardless of patents and
 AR>> copyrights, your "contacts" may cut you out of the cash flow.
 AR>> Much safer to start up your own manufacturing facility where your
 AR>> product can remain a secret until you have a large quantity and
 AR>> can get a payback from sales.

 AG> If only I had some capital.

There are a fair number of "venture capitalists" here.  But like banks their
take is too much.  That is if you go for the traditional large scale
operation.  I know several inventors, including myself, who for under $2000
setup a back room or garage assembly line for less than 100 items, and then
re-invested the payback from the 1st sales to finance more materials and
better assembly conditions.  Well that was more than a decade ago.  At today's
inflation rate I guess $10,000 might be enough to get off the ground,
depending on the cost of materials per item.

 AG> <Description of clever idea>

 AR>> I felt it would sell.

 AR>> That is when I made my big mistake.  I went looking for a
 AR>> manufacturer and distributor.  I contacted Radio Shack, among
 AR>> others.  I spent a lot of time on the phone, but never actually
 AR>> showed anyone my prototype. No contracts were signed.  3 months
 AR>> later Radio Shack released their version built into their
 AR>> computer with their software.  Granted their's was not cheap nor
 AR>> flexible. But I had no doubt where they got the idea from.

 AG> Did you get them to sign aa non-disclosure treaty?

No.  Like copyrights and patents, a NDA is only good if you can afford a lot
of money for a lawyer.  Here many lawyers get over $500/hour.  And they love
to drag a case out until they have every last penny of their client's money,
which usually means they don't want to settle, they want to continue forever.

 AR>> I attribute most of my failure to my ignorance (at the time) of
 AR>> the manufacturing and distribution chain from an individual
 AR>> inventor's perspective.  All my previous inventions and
 AR>> prototypes were made while I worked for some large company.  So
 AR>> the companies I worked for already had the distribution and sales
 AR>> lined up.  All I had to do previously was come up with a great
 AR>> idea, build a prototype and at most organize a small pilot run of
 AR>> the product.

 AG> I have spent plenty of time working for large companies. For the
 AG> most part, even if I gave them a brilliant invention, they didn't
 AG> want to know.

That's happened to me a few times when my idea was too far off of their
established line.  But 90% of the time if I found a new way to keep their
employees busy and make more money from their existing clients, then they
would gladly invest up to a year of expected expenses.  Every time they went
with the new item, the company got back 100 to 10,000 times more than they
invested.  And in 1 case it only took 6 months for my project to become so
profitable and popular that the company started a new nation wide division
just for that product.  It's always a gamble.  But I can be very convincing.
I down play the work and emphasize the profits, which is all upper management
is really interested in.

 AG> GEC Snartcard rejected the idea of pay-per-view TV.

Bad timing.  Xerox rejected the mouse. <g>

 AR>> So having a bright idea is 1 thing.

 AR>> Researching the market and competition is another.

 AR>> Perfecting your product is another.

 AR>> Getting your product to market before the competition is pretty
 AR>> stiff.

 AR>> Finding a way to keep the secrets all the way through the many
 AR>> "contacts" until your product is ready to flood the market is
 AR>> very important. My advice, either try to control the whole
 AR>> process from beginning to end, or get under some other big
 AR>> company's umbrella.

 AG> I'd love to. However, I have no contacts with any money, and I
 AG> have enough problems paying the rent.

There is an old saying: "Necessity is the mother of invention."  Twice I've
emptied our small savings account intended for retirement and emergencies, to
start a new business and run up my credit card near the limit on top of that.
And each time I have been able to put all the money back and pay all my
expenses in the mean time.  I usually expect 1 year at no profit just to pay
back my borrowed investment.  Of course without my wife's pay from outside
employment, rent and food would have been a problem for awhile.

 AG> Its my experience that UK industry hates the idea of making anything
 AG> new, and would probably rather pay a mafia hit man to get rid of you
 AG> than make a new product. The Ford motor company said my new car engine
 AG> was great, and probably much better than what they were making, but they
 AG> already had a production line set up for the current type of engine, and
 AG> they weren't about to reinvest.

It takes 2 to 3 years to setup an auto assembly line after all the design work
is done.  That's no small investment.

About 30 years ago I designed an auto-pilot for cars.  Not just a cruise
control, more like an airplane auto-pilot.  It could sense the outside
environment and warn the driver of danger and even take over full control of
steering, braking etc in an emergency.  Lots of my friends thought it was a
good idea.  10 years later someone else produced the first prototype pilot run
of 1/2 a dozen vehicles so equipped.  AFAIK today there is still no publicly
available production of such a car.  Other than papers and lists of components
from other devices, I never pursued my idea, because I didn't know of any
sensor that could detect a human or animal from a great distance while moving
at a high rate of speed.  Sometimes it only takes 1 little detail to make a
whole project fall apart.

 AG> I am not short of viable ideas. I am short of friends or family
 AG> who have any money. This is normal in the UK. Our tax system is
 AG> designed to make everyone equal/poor as hell.

Yes, that is 1 of the reasons I choose not to live in the UK.

 AG> I prefer my ideas to be ripped off than die a death in a cupboard.

That would not be a problem here.  I can mention several other devices such as
X-10 modules that came about after I asked a lot of companies if they had any
cheaper alternatives to the expensive commercial items I was working with at
the time.  Like I said, it is easy to copy ideas.

 AG> The government is opposed to producing things.

Most governments are tied up in red tape.  It is usually private industry
that makes the initiative to try something new.  An excellent example of that
is the fine line between the US government and IBM.  The US government puts a
lot of money in universities which come up with some neat ideas, that would
die if not for the helping hand companies like IBM have given to get those
projects out of the university and into companies like NetScape.  The common
quotes are that the government is "big brother" and IBM is "big daddy".

 AG> For some reason they have this strange belief that the future lies in
 AG> having a 'service economy' which is like saying 'we will pay the rent by
 AG> washing our own dishes'. Farming is now producing 1/4 of what it did two
 AG> years ago (ie at the height of the Mad Cow Disease fiasco). The
 AG> government tells the farmers - its OK: there are plenty of jobs for
 AG> insurance salesmen and bankers!

I've never lived off of the government nor tied to sell them anything that
they didn't ask for.  And I can't imagine asking the government for help on
anything that is not already written law.

 AG> Depressing being an inventor, isn't it.

Actually it was exciting during my younger years.  I really enjoyed making new
things and being the 1st to have what others only saw on Star Trek TV.  But it
takes a wide variety of experience in a lot of fields that most people only
specialize at.  I'll admit my experience with Radio Shack was depressing.  But
that was my own fault.  If I were 20 or 30 years younger, then I would have
jumped up and climbed back on.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 11:02:19
  To: Andrew Grillet                                    05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 Andrew Grillet,

01-Sep-99 07:54:25, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts
 AG> -=> On 30 Aug 99  09:36:36 Andy Roberts said to Andrew Grillet <=-
          Subject: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 AR>>> ZOOM is cheap but not economical.

 AG>> This is not my experience.

 AR>> We'll see in the long run.

 AG> It IS the long run. I used my zoom for a while and then gave it to
 AG> my brother.

 AG> The average life of a modem is less than 2 years. Particularly if
 AG> it is not a Courier!

The warranty on the ZOOM is 7 or 10 years.  If the life expectancy is less
than 2 years, then I consider that a throw away modem.

At that less than 2 year rate the ZOOM would have to sell for no more than
1/10th of a USR to be of similar initial price value.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Gord Hannah                                       05-Sep-99 07:34:13
  To: Andrew Grillet                                    05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hi Andrew, hope you are having a nice day! :-)

01-Sep-99 07:54:25, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 AR>> I have a feeling USR does test a sample of their Sportsters and

 AG> I doubt they test the Sportsters.  certainly not the PCMCIA ones, which
 AG> seem to have a very high faailure rate.

Not my experience I am still using my 28.8 from about 6 years ago, I
was the first active 28.8 user in my area.  I have 3 Sportsters
running and all are rock solid.

 AR>>> ZOOM modems on the shelf and didn't waste my time even trying to

 AG>> And its still cheaper buy two and throw 50% away than to buy USR!

 AR>> No Way.!

I agree with Andy on that, Sportsters have work flawlessly for me for
years, my first was a 14.4 second 28.8 third and fourth 33.6 all
working fine cept the 14.4 is is long gone.  Sold it for $10CDN.

 AR>> While it may have been so that you could buy a ZOOM for 1/2 the price

I had one ZOOM and it was crap I could never get it to work barely let
alone well, CARDINAL OTH a piece of cake runs like a charm, I have a
MVP228I here that is flashed to 33.6 and it works just fine.  So for
me it is either USR Sportsters or Cardinal.



Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.

http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca 
Cheers!
Gord Hannah 
-=Team OS/2=-

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    04-Sep-99 19:43:23
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: SIO

Hi Kris,

31 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Steve Mccrystal:

KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect
KS> with Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I
KS> do have regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.

Not my experience. And this tells me you have a 56K modem. Which one?

I've an external Etech Bullet V90.

With SIO, normally I get connects at 50667, sometimes 52000, and once in a
while 49333 (all bps) with my ISP.

KS> On Fido I was always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost
KS> 31200; on the same BBS's, ofcoz.

33600 for me with my fido boss, because he doesn't have a V90 server modem.

KS> Imho, the Sio never have match completely the move from Warp
KS> 3 --> Warp 4.

I'm running Warp 4 fp 9, and I'm using SIO. And I don't see how a serial port
driver (provided properly configured and locked at _minimum_ 57600bps, better
at 115200bps if serial port and modem support that but most do nowadays) could 
affect the connect speed, which is of a matter of only between the two modems
and not to the serial port driver in other words this is (or should be)
transparent to the system and to the serial port driver.

I haven't tried the Quatech drivers, because I never heard of it before, and I 
see no reason to use the Quatech drivers. Your connect speeds are below mine,
so I might conclude from this that the Quatech drivers are less competent than 
SIO, like you make general conclusions exclusively from _your_ experience.

You might as well buy a better modem.

Again, my experience with SIO is different.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  05-Sep-99 15:57:00
  To: David Calafrancesco                               05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: Quantum Lightning SCSI HDDs

*** Quoting David Calafrancesco to Don Guy dated 09-04-99 ***
> things. I used to have to keep the resister packs safe somewhere and 
> know which went where on what drive, what a mess... 

I tape them to the device when possible, or tape them to the chassi next to
the device..  I started using some cable terminators, but never can figure
what I need for newer drives s/a LVD or SE

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       05-Sep-99 10:12:00
  To: ROY J. TELLASON                                   06-Sep-99 00:15:18
Subj: SIO

Some senseless babbling from Roy J. Tellason to Mike Ruskai
on 09-04-99  22:31 about SIO...

 RJT> MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:
 
 RJT> It would seem to me that a port driver that's better written and able
 RJT> to deal with actually moving more data through a port would also
 RJT> support higher connect rates...
 
 MR> No, not at all.  The connection speed of a modem has nothing to 
 MR> do with the speed of the serial port.  SIO can handle speeds up 
 MR> to 921600 (hardware permitting) with no problems.

 RJT> I've never heard of a baud rate that high...

Well, it's hardly a baud rate at all.  That's bits per second.  Baud rate 
is basically signals per second, with an analog modem connection.  For 
example, both 2400bps and 14400bps (under V.32) use a 2400 baud modulation.
 
 MR> Even an 8250 UART can handle the maximum speed of a V.90 modem 
 MR> (though it requires more interrupts, due to the small buffers).

 RJT> Yes?  And what else can the machine be doing while this is going on? 
 RJT> :-) 

If it's a Pentium-class machine, quite a bit.  

 MR> The new version of SIO (which appears to be stuck in beta) 
 MR> supports up to 255 ports, incidentally.

 RJT> Hmm.

 RJT> Since this is the second response to that post,  maybe I should try
 RJT> and rephrase that.  It won't affect the "speed" of a serial port,  just
 RJT> the throughput...

If the serial driver slowed down the throughput, then you'd have buffer 
overflows, and errors in communication.  It would not affect the speed that 
the modem connects at.  It can't.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 19:19:15
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   06-Sep-99 00:15:18
Subj: SIO

Steve McCrystal wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 PK>> can possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem?

<...>

 SM> With all due respect, that's disappointing... coming from you.

Boy,  am I getting it for this one...     <g>

 SM> While the first part of what you say is quite correct, there is 
 SM> simply no way that a port driver, regardless of how well 
 SM> written, will affect the *analog negotiation* of connect speed.

I must try and make it a point to read this stuff more carefully.  I don't
think I wrote that with "analog negotiation" in mind,  nosir,  not at all...

 SM> At the time the analog negotiation/handshake/whatever you'd 
 SM> call it takes place, the modems don't know what they are 
 SM> connected to, or what driver is controlling the ports, nor do 
 SM> they care!  The negotiation of connect speed, and any 
 SM> subsequent shifts up or down as required, is entirely conducted 
 SM> between the modems, without respect to the quality of the 
 SM> drivers or the serial port hardware.

Isn't there an upper limit in place,  though,  determined by the
modem-to-computer connection speed?

 SM> Now, it is possible for *flow control* (Xon/Xoff or RTS/CTS or 
 SM> both) to affect *throughput* due to differing driver quality, 
 SM> but that is unlikely on anything newer than a 286 machine (even 
 SM> with 16450 UARTS) and that has nothing whatsoever to do with 
 SM> the negotiation of *connect speed*.

Throughput was probably a lot of what I was thinking of there.

I guess I oughta make it a point not to post when I'm tired,  too...

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From: Jerry Nichols                                     05-Sep-99 13:06:27
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 00:15:18
Subj: Asus P3B-F

Hi All ,

 Has anyone tried this motherboard Asus P3B-F with Warp v4 ?


Later,            Jerry Nichols
                  jnichols@tcia.net





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From: Will Honea                                        05-Sep-99 23:20:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 23:20:00
Subj: Sio

Roy J. Tellason wrote to Steve McCrystal on 09-05-1999

RT> Isn't there an upper limit in place,  though,  determined 
RT> by the modem-to-computer connection speed?

On thru-put, yes.  On connections, no.  In theory, you can have a 300
bps computer-to-modem connection with a 56k modem-to-modem connection
and all you're going to get is a whole bunch of hardware or software
'hey, wait for me!' signals and a very slow rx/tx rate.  'Taint bad on
the send side but the receiver code and the modems better be well done.
 I've got a bunch of old equipment limited to 1200 bps device-to-modem
( I SAID it was old!) and about the slowest modems we can buy right now
are 33.6.  Since the field equipment includes a lot of newer stuff
capable of 33.6 we simply run the modems at that rate and let the old
units choke the effective flow to 1200 via the CTS/RTS signals. 
Another example, if you have an external modem: watch the CTS light on
an upload when the serial port is locked at something above the modem
carrier rate.  Flickers like mad as the modem keeps telling the
computer to wait until it's ready.
 
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 19:40:27
  To: Bat Lang                                          06-Sep-99 06:39:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?

 Bat Lang,

05-Sep-99 01:42:06, Bat Lang wrote to Andy Roberts
          Subject: Matrox drivers?

 BL>> Where did you get your flash bios code, and what version # ? I am
 BL>> using 2.7 here. If yours is no later than that, forget the
 BL>> source.

 AR>> 2.7 is old for your original Matrox Millennium.  Try 3.0

 AR>> Setup351.exe Apr. 9, 1999 720 KB

 BL> I already have that on a FD, I guess I better take a closer
 BL> looksee. {^;

 AR>> BTW, the original Millennium is the only Matrox with a switch to
 AR>> prevent/allow BIOS overwrite.  You'll probably need a magnifing
 AR>> glass to see the switch. You can find exactly which of the 2
 AR>> switches in milleng.pdf 566,672.

 BL> Thanks for the reminder. I flashed it at least once before, and
 BL> had to put on my 'supereyes' and use a flashlight.

I now have 3 pair of glasses and I can see fine without any glasses at a
distance.  I still need my magnifing glass that is on a stand with aligator
clips to hold the PC board and a flashlight to see that tiny switch.

 BL> {^; Do you remember if you can do it in a VDM, or does it need MS-DOS?
 BL> Thanks for the prod.

I don't remember.  I used a diskette.  Or possibly Win98.  I tried several
ways that all failed until I found that switch.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Don Guy                                           05-Sep-99 11:53:14
  To: David Calafrancesco                               06-Sep-99 08:26:24
Subj: Quantum Lightning SCSI HDDs

Greetings David!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from David
Calafrancesco to Don Guy was intercepted...

 DC> Look on the circuit card side for several rows of little inline pin holes

Found 'em!

Quantum wasn't lying, I wasn't looking closely enough.  There are two sets of
holes for SIP terminators, but in less than good lighting they look remarkably 
like unused solder pads.  :-)

A quick e-mail off to Quantum's Tech Support, and a pair of the terminators
are on their way to me in the mail...

 DC> A terminator should be a few bucks at a computer faire.

Naturally these aren't "normal" terminating resistors though...  I was hoping
to cannibalize an unused host adaptor to get the drive working properly, but
the drive needs terminators which have 10 pins, rather than the 8 that seems
to be more common.

This just gives me another reason to dislike Quantum.  I think I've owned two
in my lifetime (the SCSI is the second), and what never fails to annoy me is
trying to locate a source for those $#@!ing sub-miniature jumper caps that
they use.  Now I've found a need for what appear to be proprietary
terminators...

Ahh well...  I bought it used, and the price was right.  What am I complaining 
about?  :-)

-Don



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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 23:00:07
  To: Andy Roberts                                      06-Sep-99 08:26:24
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Andrew Grillet:

 AR> The warranty on the ZOOM is 7 or 10 years.  If the life 
 AR> expectancy is less than 2 years, then I consider that a throw 
 AR> away modem.

When I got that Zoom that I have,  it only mentioned the warranty in one
place,  that being on the box.  When it died on me,  I unfortunately used that 
box to ship it back to them,  and the box they shipped back to me wasn't the
same,  but was instead a plain white box with no markings at all.

I guess that says something,  eh?  

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From: Peter Knapper                                     06-Sep-99 19:14:04
  To: Jerry Nichols                                     06-Sep-99 11:36:04
Subj: Asus P3B-F

Hi Jerry,

 JN>  Has anyone tried this motherboard Asus P3B-F with Warp v4 ?

I haven't seen a P3B-F at my local supplier, but this machine I am replying on 
runs on a P2B-F using Warp 4 fine, if thats of any use.

Regards........pk.


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From: Chris Martin                                      02-Sep-99 21:58:08
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         06-Sep-99 14:43:29
Subj: SIO

Once upon a time, out on MARS.

While reading the mail, wispering this:

JD> As you've no doubt read by now, mine is the 8-port version, and when I
last

JD> tried to update it via Ray's BBS, some years back, I was informed that for
JD> versions that support more than 4 ports one cannot update SIO on-line.

So I have read.... bummer.. :(

Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net

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From: Herbert Bushong                                   05-Sep-99 06:32:00
  To: Gene Tucker                                       06-Sep-99 14:43:29
Subj: Sio

::> HB>And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

::> And I love Vmodem! <grin>

I do too <g>

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   05-Sep-99 07:43:23
  To: Gene Tucker                                       06-Sep-99 16:15:12
Subj: Sio

;
In a msg of <Friday September 03 1999>, Gene Tucker writes to Kris Steenhaut:
;
Gene,

 GT> Well for that part just because the connect says so doesn't mena
 GT> it is so. comm drivers do lie.

As has already been pointed out, com drivers don't enter into the
protocol/speed negotiation at all.  It just isn't possible.

 GT>  I cannot comment on these drivers in truth as I have never tried
 GT> them. I don't have Quatech hardware at all.

If there is an advantage to the Quatech drivers (if I could get them to work,
I'd find out) over the stock Warp 4 drivers, then that advantage would be
available even *without* Quatech hardware.  I assume that support for "legacy" 
onboard COM ports was necessary so one could use the two now-standard
motherboard com ports in addition to one of Quatech's multi-port cards.  Thus, 
for some people, there *may be* some utility.

In any case,I'm not saying folks should not try/use/etc. the Quatech drivers.
All I'm saying is that it will not perform miracles as has been suggested.

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   05-Sep-99 07:59:17
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    06-Sep-99 16:15:12
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Thursday September 02 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Andy
Roberts:
;
Kris,

 KS> I tried already the beta 2.30 & 2.31 drivers. The beta 2.30 are
 KS> even worser than the 2.22, the 2.31 gives an amelioration, but it
 KS> is still bad, bad enough to be not acceptable at all.

Just curious... have you looked to see just what was change in the 2.30/2.31
Matrox drivers vs the 2.23 release?

Here's a hint... do you have a G-400 AGP card, for which both the 2.30 and
2.31 betas were released?

In short, Matrox never claimed (to my knowledge) that the leatest *BETA*
drivers would do anything for your hardware (or my G-200, for that matter)!
And, they specifically asked that at least the 2.31 version *NOT BE
DISTRIBUTED* by the guy who uploaded them to Hobbes (and by everyone else to
whom the sent them, I assume). One can only assume it is to prevent complaints 
by folks like yourself who don't even have the hardware that they were written 
for.

I mentioned it earlier in the hardwaree list, but I'll say it again here.  I
sincerely hope that some day EVERYONE will understand what "BETA" means, but
I'm not optimistic.  This is one thing that makes me a big fan of closed btas, 
even if it does somewhat limit the user population.

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   05-Sep-99 08:12:13
  To: Holger Granholm                                   06-Sep-99 16:15:12
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Friday September 03 1999>, Holger Granholm writes to Kris
Steenhaut:
;
Holger,

 SM>> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?

 KS>> The files are free for download. A free 32 port version. Don't
 KS>> see much reason to pay for more for getting less.

 HG> You seem to avoid answering that question!

Correct, altho somewhat legitimate!  The drivers do work with "legacy" (their
term, not mine) serial hardware. OTOH, Kris has a Quatech multiport card,
which is why I asked.

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From: Max Skripachev                                    06-Sep-99 14:28:20
  To: Moderator                                         06-Sep-99 18:39:21
Subj: rules

Hello, Moderator!

Rules, please...

WBW, Max Skripachev

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Sep-99 13:18:01
  To: Will Honea                                        06-Sep-99 18:39:22
Subj: Sio

Will Honea wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 WH> Another example, if you have an external modem: watch the CTS 
 WH> light on an upload when the serial port is locked at something 
 WH> above the modem carrier rate.  Flickers like mad as the modem 
 WH> keeps telling the computer to wait until it's ready.

CTS light?  I don't think I have one of those.  There are a pair of them that
flip on and off when somebody's downloading and their end says that it needs
to wait a minute,  I forget which two they are offhand,  though.

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From: Andrew Leary                                      06-Sep-99 14:54:20
  To: Bat Lang                                          06-Sep-99 18:39:22
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Bat!

Sunday September 05 1999 01:42, Bat Lang wrote to Andy Roberts:

 BL> Thanks for the reminder. I flashed it at least once before, and had to
 BL> put on my 'supereyes' and use a flashlight. {^; Do you remember if you
 BL> can do it in a VDM, or does it need MS-DOS?  Thanks for the prod. {^;
 BL> Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

It requires real-mode DOS.  I personally have an old MS-DOS 5.00 floppy that I 
keep around for BIOS updates (both on the Matrox Millenium and the
motherboard).  I just have to remember to copy the files for the update onto a 
floppy before I restart with the DOS disk (since all of my HDs are HPFS).

Andrew

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Sep-99 09:44:16
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    06-Sep-99 18:39:22
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hi Kris,

01 Sep 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

KS> Actually, it is different. I can sent/receive analogue voice
KS> calls while I am ISDN on the Internet (or one of the few

Do you have ISDN?

KS> ISDN BBS's). On the very same line, ofcoz.

Doesn't matter, the cheapest ISDN has two lines.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Sep-99 09:45:22
  To: Bas Heijermans                                    06-Sep-99 18:39:22
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hi Bas,

03 Sep 99, Bas Heijermans of 2:292/180 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

BH> I have gone back to the 2.20.6 from the CD that came with
BH> the Matrox, all problems are solved now.

Have you tried the 2.21 driver (it runs here without problems at 1280x1024
32-bits colors) or the 2.22 driver?

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Gene Tucker                                       06-Sep-99 21:20:00
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   06-Sep-99 21:20:00
Subj: Sio

In a message dated 09-05-99, Steve Mccrystal said to Gene Tucker:


SM>;
SM>In a msg of <Friday September 03 1999>, Gene Tucker writes to Kris
SM>Steenhaut: ;
SM>Gene,

 GT> Well for that part just because the connect says so doesn't mena
 GT> it is so. comm drivers do lie.

SM>As has already been pointed out, com drivers don't enter 
SM>into the protocol/speed negotiation at all.  It just isn't 
SM>possible.

 GT>  I cannot comment on these drivers in truth as I have never tried
 GT> them. I don't have Quatech hardware at all.

SM>If there is an advantage to the Quatech drivers (if I could 
SM>get them to work, I'd find out) over the stock Warp 4 
SM>drivers, then that advantage would be available even 
SM>*without* Quatech hardware.  I assume that support for 
SM>"legacy" onboard COM ports was necessary so one could use 
SM>the two now-standard motherboard com ports in addition to 
SM>one of Quatech's multi-port cards.  Thus, for some people, 
SM>there *may be* some utility.

SM>In any case,I'm not saying folks should not try/use/etc. 
SM>the Quatech drivers. All I'm saying is that it will not 
SM>perform miracles as has been suggested.

Which Steve is very rational. I realize your stand on this issue. It was just
that your post was the easiest for me to enter the discussion on. I am sorry
if
I left you with the impression that I thought that you com port drivers
readings
was all that there was to it. Heck you can't even trust the read out in the
Netscape download popup box.:) But it has been that way since the old BBS's
spanned the land. A stop watch and some math is the only w;ay to get an
accurate
picture. and then adjuat for the variations on every single comnect. For get
it
I am happy to have something run without dropoffs.:)
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From: Daniela Engert                                    04-Sep-99 18:38:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hi Eddy!

Thus quoth Eddy Thilleman to Kris Steenhaut:
KS>> It's in the readme Danis506.add beta 7:

 ET> The doc file doesn't mention where to get new versions, so I don't
 ET> know where to get this new beta. But the current version works well
 ET> here, so I just wait until I encounter it.

(It is gamma 7 btw.)

I upload new releases ot Hobbes. From there it is spread all over the world
(IN and FIDO). If you update RSJ, you'll get the current release as well (it's 
bundled with RSJ for some time now).

Engage your favourite search engines and you'll encounter loads of hits where
you can download from.

bye, Dani

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From: Tobias Ernst                                      06-Sep-99 21:33:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Hallo Eddy!

 DC>> At around 2cm tall it also stacks nicely on top of a
 DC>> mini-tower case, 

 ET> Don't you have a big-big-tower?? I call that weird. ;-)

You guys don't use rack-mounted modems? I am astonished ... ;-)))

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Francois Massonneau                               05-Sep-99 09:22:04
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W

Hello Eddy!

Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Francois Massonneau:

 FM>> I can boot DOS, but can't access those disks as they are formatted
 FM>> HPFS and everything else is for Linux.

 ET> If DOS' fdisk can view at least something about the partitions on your
 ET> harddisk (don't change anything with DOS' fdisk), that's enough to
 ET> know that your hardware and termination are OK.

Using Linux, Linux can see all my drives and partitions.

Bye, Francois!


Email: fmas@celtes.com
Web  : http://www.worldnet.net/~island/

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From: James Mckenzie                                    06-Sep-99 18:09:10
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Sep-99 07:53:02
Subj: SIO

Hello David!

04 Sep 99 22:57, David Calafrancesco wrote to Roy J. Tellason:

 KS>> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
 KS>> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
 KS>> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.

 DC> Nope. What the better comm driver can do is run the computer to modem
 DC> connect at optimum rates. The only thing that can affect the modem to
 DC> modem connect rate is the modems and the phone lines. Period. Once
 DC> negotiated at a particular rate, assume 48000 for discussion, the
 DC> connection between computer and modem (along with the protocols used)
 DC> can affect throughput. If I take a V90 modem and connect it to my
 DC> computer using a locked port rate of 38,400 and software handshaking
 DC> (sending ascii start and stop characters) then the throughput will be
 DC> no better than the worst 28k modems. It won't take advantage of data
 DC> compression as the modem will always be ready to send and not take the
 DC> time to compress the outbound data. The modems will be stopped waiting
 DC> to clear the inbound packets often and as such transfers will seem to
 DC> crawl. Take the same hardware and connect computer to modem at 115200
 DC> using hardware flow and the throughput of that same 48000 connect can
 DC> jump to the full 115200 rate that the computers are connected at with
 DC> the use of inline data compression.

And the "better" comm drivers emulate the latest in UART technology.  The SIO 
drivers I use here allow an 8250/16450 to "appear" to be a 16550 with the 16
bit FIFO buffers.

However, there is a shortcoming, and that is my Tripp-Lite UPS will not
function with the SIO drivers installed.  So, I will try the QUATECH drivers,
and if that fails, a call to Tripp-Lite for the UNIX cable for further
testing.
I would like to use something other than the stock COM/VCOM drivers as they
to not support "hot" sharing of a comm port between OS/2 and DOS.

James

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From: Herbert Bushong                                   06-Sep-99 03:35:00
  To: Will Honea                                        07-Sep-99 12:13:10
Subj: Sio

::> HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

::> And my personal favorite, PMLM.  Either of these is probably worth the
::> registration fee.

Absolutely!  Both have been invaluable to me :)

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From: Peter Knapper                                     07-Sep-99 23:52:17
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hi Steve,

 SM> I mentioned it earlier in the hardwaree list, but I'll 
 SM> say it again here.  I sincerely hope that some day 
 SM> EVERYONE will understand what "BETA" means, but I'm not 
 SM> optimistic. 

But doesn't BETA mean that it BETA work?.........;-)

Good post, your comments are VERY true. It rarely pays to be at the BLEEDING
edge of technology, unless you are very keen to participate in the work
required for BETAs...

Cheers......pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     08-Sep-99 00:00:08
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hi Eddy,

KS> ISDN BBS's). On the very same line, ofcoz.

 ET> Doesn't matter, the cheapest ISDN has two lines.

Not everywhere. Here it was possible to obtain a BRI with only 1B+D (at
reduced rates of course), but it flopped like a lead balloon so it was removed 
from offer. There are still 1B+D installs around though...

Cheers.........pk.


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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    06-Sep-99 23:38:02
  To: Andrew Grillet                                    07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hello Andrew,

01 Sep 99 07:54, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts:

 AG> And of the two, I would say Zoom is definitely better than Sportster.
 AG> (See others posting messages about lock-ups, non negotiation, etc)

Never had a Zoom, but I'm on my second Sportster at the moment (upgrade
replacement). Bought my first one, a 14.4 (state of the art at the time) in
March of 93. Since it was too old to be upgraded to v90, it was replaced
around March-April of last year with a new v90 model. The old one still works, 
I just don't have anything to use it for at the present.

Never had one hint of a problem with either Sportster, nor do I recall reading 
any complaints about one. The only negative thing I've ever heard about them
is that they aren't Couriers. :-) Oh, I do remember some people complaining
about the change in case quality for the recent models, but that's it.

 AG> The average life of a modem is less than 2 years. Particularly if it
 AG> is not a Courier! Hainv said that, I still have a courier v34

Guess I must be lucky, considering my 14.4 saw 5 years of 24/7 usage and is
still just as functional as day one.

 AG> My point entirely. An external real Zoom is far better than a Winmodem
 AG> IMHO. (evidently YMMD).

*ANY* real modem is better than a Winmodem.


Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Sep-99 10:13:06
  To: David Calafrancesco                               07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Hi David,

04 Sep 99, David Calafrancesco of 1:2624/306 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

DC> The 7 SCSI drives are in an old mid tower, with 3 of the
DC> drives living in a cage removed from another case designed to
DC> hold 3.5" drives. 

I see. :)

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   06-Sep-99 07:41:29
  To: Bat Lang                                          07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

;
In a msg of <Sunday September 05 1999>, Bat Lang writes to Andy Roberts:
;
Bat,

 BL> Thanks for the reminder. I flashed it at least once before, and
 BL> had to put on my 'supereyes' and use a flashlight. {^; Do you
 BL> remember if you can do it in a VDM, or does it need MS-DOS?

I have seen reports that it will work in a VDM.  I wouldn't even think of
trying it!

That's what DOS boot floppies are good for... now.  That and flashing Courier
code. :^)

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   06-Sep-99 07:48:15
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Saturday September 04 1999>, Roy J. Tellason writes to MIKE
RUSKAI:
;
Roy,

 RT> Since this is the second response to that post,  maybe I should
 RT> try and rephrase that.  It won't affect the "speed" of a serial
 RT> port,  just the throughput...

Your original assertion, to which I replied, was that a better driver could
affect the negotiated protocol CONNECT SPEED.  This is impossible, which I
(and several others) pointed out.

After seeing this post, my apology.  I suspected all along that you knew the
difference, but you surely didn't say so! :^)

-[Steve]-

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From: Bat Lang                                          07-Sep-99 02:11:15
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Matrox drivers?

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Bat Lang, [05 Sep 99  19:40:55] <=-

 BL> Thanks for the reminder. I flashed it at least once before, and
 BL> had to put on my 'supereyes' and use a flashlight.

 AR> I now have 3 pair of glasses and I can see fine without any glasses at
 AR> a distance.  I still need my magnifing glass that is on a stand with
 AR> aligator clips to hold the PC board and a flashlight to see that tiny
 AR> switch.

 BL> {^; Do you remember if you can do it in a VDM, or does it need MS-DOS?
 BL> Thanks for the prod.

 AR> I don't remember.  I used a diskette.  Or possibly Win98.  I tried
 AR> several ways that all failed until I found that switch.

I just refreshed myself on the install, and in a VDM it balked on the
first part; ie, MAKEDISK (could be my LS-120)? I'll just boot to 6.22
and run it from there, where I know it works (at least it did - I don't
think I had this 120 drive the last time I flashed the bios). I'll let
you know how it all turns out. Thanks for the pointers, and Good
Modeming!  /\oo/\

Later...

The LS-120 did give me problems, but fortunately, the command line
structure was illustrated at the bottom of the EXE files, and I was able
to perform a manual 'makedisk' and a manual 'progbios' from the command
line. Now operating with Bios 3.0 and Driver 2.30.089. BTW, there is a
small matrix adjacent to the two DIP switches, which makes their
settings fairly self evident. I didn't need any other references or
diagrams.

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From: James Byrnes                                      07-Sep-99 21:12:00
  To: all                                               07-Sep-99 21:12:00
Subj: Orb

Today I sent Castlewood an e-mail asking when the scsi version would
go on sale and here is their reply:

Jim,

The SCSI MAC is shipping now, the SCSI PC is scheduled for release in
two weeks.  Please see our website for availability. www.castlewood.com

Spring Nation
Sales Assistant
Castlewood Systems, Inc.
925-461-5524 (direct)
925-461-5501 fax
snation@castlewood.com

Regards,  Jim

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Sep-99 16:19:00
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: SIO

Steve McCrystal wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 SM> After seeing this post, my apology.  I suspected all along
 SM> that you knew the difference, but you surely didn't say so!
 SM> :^)

Heh.  And you guys aren't gonna let me live it down for a while either,  are
you...?  :-)

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       06-Sep-99 20:26:00
  To: CHRIS MARTIN                                      08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: SIO

Some senseless babbling from Chris Martin to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard
on 09-02-99  21:58 about SIO...

 CM> Once upon a time, out on MARS.

 CM> While reading the mail, wispering this:
 
 JD> As you've no doubt read by now, mine is the 8-port version, and when I
last
 
 JD> tried to update it via Ray's BBS, some years back, I was informed that
for
 JD> versions that support more than 4 ports one cannot update SIO on-line.

 CM> So I have read.... bummer.. :(

It's pure nonsense.  I've upgrade my 8-port version three times online.

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


... Arguing logic with a programmer can get you hexed.

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From: Andrew Leary                                      07-Sep-99 17:38:18
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Steve!

Monday September 06 1999 07:41, Steve McCrystal wrote to Bat Lang:

 SM> That's what DOS boot floppies are good for... now.  That and flashing
 SM> Courier code. :^)

Yep.  I've still got a DOS 5.0 disk that I keep handy for that purpose.
Actually, next time I do it I'll probably try out a PC-DOS 2000 bootdisk (just 
recently got it for my one machine that's too old for OS/2).

Andrew

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From: Justin Baustert                                   04-Sep-99 10:15:11
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: Re: SIO

 KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
 KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
 KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
 KS> On Fido Iwas always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost 31200; on
 KS> the same BBS's, ofcoz.

Hello Kris,

SIO should have no effect on connect rates.. Those are determined by your 
modem and the modem on the other end of the line, not by software.


JB

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From: LEE ARONER                                        06-Sep-99 00:39:00
  To: ALL                                               08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: PCMCIA Help

   Has anyone tried using a SMC SwapBox under Warp?

   For those wondering, the SwapBox is a PCMCIA card socket add-on 
   for a PC, supossed to a allow use (in this case, testing) of 
   PCMCIA cards in a regular desktop machine.

   Four of the different basedevs supplied with v4 work with the 
   socket, (I settled on the SS2PCIC1.SYS driver, it seems to be 
   generic for Intel chipsets).

   The PnP for PCMCIA app recognizes the sockets and shows insertion 
   and removal of cards, but it doesn't recognize what the cards 
   are...I've tried 2 seperate USR modems and it reports both cards 
   as "Memory".

   Anyone got any ideas on what I'm missing here, other than the 
   distinct possibility that both modems are kaput?

                                       LRA

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   07-Sep-99 06:38:08
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   08-Sep-99 16:02:23
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Sunday September 05 1999>, Roy J. Tellason writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
Roy,

 SM>> While the first part of what you say is quite correct, there
 SM>> is simply no way that a port driver, regardless of how well
 SM>> written, will affect the *analog negotiation* of connect
 SM>> speed.

 RT> I must try and make it a point to read this stuff more carefully.
 RT> I don't think I wrote that with "analog negotiation" in mind,
 RT> nosir,  not at all...

I don't think so either... NOW! :^)

 SM>> At the time the analog negotiation/handshake/whatever you'd
 SM>> call it takes place, the modems don't know what they are
 SM>> connected to, or what driver is controlling the ports, nor
 SM>> do they care!  The negotiation of connect speed, and any
 SM>> subsequent shifts up or down as required, is entirely
 SM>> conducted between the modems, without respect to the quality
 SM>> of the drivers or the serial port hardware.

 RT> Isn't there an upper limit in place, though, determined by the
 RT> modem-to-computer connection speed?

Not at all, or not really might be better. Protocols (and/or) connect speed
negotiation is (again) independent of serial hardware, drivers, or whatever.
THEN flow control takes over, and can influence *throughput*.

An example... say your ports are locked at 38400 (God, it's been a LONG time!) 
and your modem negotiates a 48000bps v.42bis connect with the remote. You will 
still have a 48000bps connection between modems, but throughput will be VERY
poor, and flow control will be asserted most of the time as the data oozes out 
of your modem. In this example, I'd estimate about 90% of the time.

 SM>> Now, it is possible for *flow control* (Xon/Xoff or RTS/CTS
 SM>> or both) to affect *throughput* due to differing driver
 SM>> quality, but that is unlikely on anything newer than a 286
 SM>> machine (even with 16450 UARTS) and that has nothing
 SM>> whatsoever to do with the negotiation of *connect speed*.

 RT> Throughput was probably a lot of what I was thinking of there.

That's what I suspect, now! :^)  And, on this point, there is no disagreement.

 RT> I guess I oughta make it a point not to post when I'm tired,
 RT> too...

Point well taken.  I have the same problem on occasion, especially now that
there are far fewer hours in the day than there were a few years ago!

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   07-Sep-99 06:58:24
  To: Chris Martin                                      08-Sep-99 16:02:23
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Thursday September 02 1999>, Chris Martin writes to Jonathan De
Boyne Pollard:
;
Chris,

 JD>> As you've no doubt read by now, mine is the 8-port version,
 JD>> and when I last

 JD>> tried to update it via Ray's BBS, some years back, I was
 JD>> informed that for versions that support more than 4 ports one
 JD>> cannot update SIO on-line.

 CM> So I have read.... bummer..

As for time frame, I suspect the change occurred sometime after a reqistered
>4 port version was posted on the Internet! :(

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From: mark lewis                                        08-Sep-99 13:50:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 jp> ml> non-v.90 connects are just like we're used to... the modems do their
 jp> ml> thing and connect at the highest speed mutually acceptable...

 jp> And what is "mutually acceptable" depends from the
 jp> respective makes and models of the modems at both ends of
 jp> the connection.  Manufacturers A's modems will negotiate
 jp> better with manufacturer B's modems than with manufacturer
 jp> C's modems.  This is why I asked the question.  Assuming
 jp> that I will be dialling a broad range of other modems,
 jp> would a USR Courier, a Hayes Accura, or some other modem
 jp> such as a Zoom Dualmode tend to negotiate the best transfer
 jp> speeds with the largest number of other modems ?

ahhh... sorry... i didn't understand the question as being phrased/intended
that way... the picture is much clearer now... sorry i can't answer your
question, though...


)\/(ark

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 01:25:17
  To: Francois Massonneau                               08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W

Hallo Francois,

Op 05-09-99 09:22 schreef je aan Eddy Thilleman:

FM> Using Linux, Linux can see all my drives and partitions.

Then that's in good health.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       08-Sep-99 18:59:01
  To: Justin Baustert                                   08-Sep-99 18:59:01
Subj: Re: Sio

In a message dated 09-04-99, Justin Baustert said to Kris Steenhaut:


 KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
 KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
 KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
 KS> On Fido Iwas always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost 31200; on
 KS> the same BBS's, ofcoz.

JB>Hello Kris,

JB>SIO should have no effect on connect rates.. Those are determined by your 
JB>modem and the modem on the other end of the line, not by software.


Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each modem sees. And so
can a bad equaliztion across the frequency sweep from 20hz to 20000hz the
slope
should be no more or no less than +3db for good high speed modem connects. At
lleast this what a phone company engineer told me when checking out why my
computer safe line did not perform up to expectation.
___
 X MR/2 2.26 #30 X "Who is #1?"  "You are, #6."

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From: Gord Hannah                                       08-Sep-99 05:39:21
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hi Kenneth, hope you are having a nice day! :-)

06-Sep-99 23:38:05, Kenneth Abrams wrote to Andrew Grillet
          Subject: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

 KA> Guess I must be lucky, considering my 14.4 saw 5 years of 24/7
 KA> usage and is still just as functional as day one

I guess I was lucky too Ken.  My 14.4 saw plenty of use at 24/7 too.

 AG>> My point entirely. An external real Zoom is far better than a Winmodem
 AG>> IMHO. (evidently YMMD).

 KA> *ANY* real modem is better than a Winmodem.

True so very true.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.

http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca 
Cheers!
Gord Hannah 
-=Team OS/2=-

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From: Mike Roark                                        07-Sep-99 18:04:07
  To: David Calafrancesco                               09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Hello David!

Saturday September 04 1999 23:02, David Calafrancesco wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> and I'm not even going to attempt to sort through that for a
 MR>> while.. ;-)

 DC> Tell me about it... about every three years I make an effort to shut
 DC> everything down and pull all the cables out and put them back in their
 DC> storage boxes. I usually find an extra dozen power cables tangled in
 DC> the mess from where I had unplugged something from both ends and it
 DC> was all twisted in the mess and I wasn't willing to drop the rest of
 DC> the systems to pull a $1 power cord.

I am not really sure what is behind mine.. But one of these days, I'm gonna
have to break down and re-do the system. I need another computer in the room,
and I'll have to re-arrange all the power cords to make room.. Not looking
forward to that one at all.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 1h 00m 23s 562ms (en).

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 10:33:04
  To: George Fliger                                     09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello George,
woensdag 01 september 1999 06.00, George Fliger wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 GF> On 29 Aug 99 11:49am, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 KS>> Hello Eddy,
 KS>> woensdag 25 augustus 1999 10.50, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Bas
 KS>> Heijermans:

 ET>> Hi Bas,

 ET>> 16 Aug 99, Bas Heijermans of 2:292/180 wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:

 MR>>> The problem with the Matrox cards locking up while
 MR>>> displaying software  cursors is not caused by overheating.
 MR>>> I can reproduce the problem here,  and I have six cooling
 MR>>> fans inside my case.  Nothing in there ever  overheats.

 ET>> Are you using the Matrox v2.23 (or later) driver? In that case,
 ET>> try with the v2.21 driver (you can install it over the current
 ET>> one, just

 KS>> Well, you had it right about Matrox: their drivers really suck,
 KS>> no matter what bios the card is on, no matter wich 2.22 @ 2.31
 KS>> driver, no matter wich 256 @ 16.7 resolution . I've tried &
 KS>> interchanged them all by now.

 KS>> The most reliable, hmm, better say the less unreliable, are the
 KS>> latest beta 2.31.
 KS>> The 2.31 only block at high processing activities, and not on
 KS>> high file transfers too, as the 2.22 @ 2.30 do.

 KS>> Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not, definitely
 KS>> the Matrox will be kicked out here.

 GF> Sorry you feel that way because I do not experience any of the

I don't feel it that way, it tis that way.

Moreover, since about two months, complaints about Matrox do popup from all
over the World.
If you really don't know, just subsribe to some newsgroups.

Why since two months? Coz finally people dare to contradict the official
guru's.


 GF> problems you describe with MY Matrox Millennium II.  It's been
 GF> extremely solid, especially with the latest drivers and flash bios
 GF> code.

Well, if it solid on your's you are lucky, coz on most systems it isn't that
way at all.


 GF>   In fact, the latest drivers fixed a background display problem
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Didn't you say they are "extremely" solid? :-)

 GF> With the above in mind, your comment that Matrox drivers, "really
 GF> suck" seems to only apply to your use of them.

No boy, the "it's only you" trick will not work anymore. Complaints do bumb in 
from all over the work. Do subscibe to some newsgroups, please.


 GF>   They blow the socks
 GF> off of IBM's GRADD drivers and SDD's drivers in speed and performance
 GF> here.


This is an ld story, you know? The SDD drivers blow the socks off the
Matrox, even the 2.31.
You'd better update your level of information a bit, I'm afraid.

BTW: even the IBM-NS programmers team have pointed to the Matrox as cause of a 
some serious  of Netscape bugs.

No, it is not only my. And imho, the Matrox can't be recommended at all.






 GF> George


 GF> ... GPF - the Microsoft Award for Programming Excellence..

 GF> -+- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg]
 GF>  + Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2)

    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 11:29:28
  To: Mike Roark                                        09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Mike,
woensdag 01 september 1999 16.58, Mike Roark wrote to Kris Steenhaut:


 KS>> Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not, definitely
 KS>> the Matrox will be kicked out here.

 MR> To each his own. I've got three of them and all work nicely. Two under
 MR> WinXX and one under Os/2/linux


No doubt they are working properly in Windoze. After all, the problem lies
mainly in the BMGAX64.DLL.

And, btw, after having scrutinizing their site, my impression is they will not 
support OS/2 anymore in the near future.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 10:53:07
  To: Gene Tucker                                       09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Sio

Hello Gene,
vrijdag 03 september 1999 17.30, Gene Tucker wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 GT> so. comm drivers do lie. I cannot comment on these drivers in truth as
 GT> I have never tried them. I don't have Quatech hardware at all.


The drivers are freely downloadable from their site. Do yourself a favour, and 
go for it.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 10:55:07
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Steve,
donderdag 02 september 1999 06.31, Steve McCrystal wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 SM> I think it fair to point out here (again), as Dani did in the hardware
 SM> list, that the above refers only to a 'failure to boot' problem that
 SM> occurs EVERY TIME you boot.  If it doesn't happen EVERY TIME you boot,
 SM> or problems crop up after you have booted and run for a while YOU DO
 SM> *NOT* HAVE the problem she described, and '/MGAFIX' will not solve the
 SM> problem.

Right so. But she mentions an "anything could happen" scenario too. And I do
have this feature here.

BTW: As you are on the SDD drivers now, you should have deleted the
BMGAX64.DLL. Did you manage to do this operation without any hassle?



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 11:01:10
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Iomega Zip

Hello Eddy,
donderdag 02 september 1999 08.16, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET> Hi Kris,

 ET> 30 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 KS>> I have to try the 2.21 yet.

The 2.21 are messing up the whole screen. Back on 2.31 now, and awaiting the
SDD as ultimate resource.




    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 11:05:02
  To: Peter Knapper                                     09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: SIO

Hello Peter,
vrijdag 03 september 1999 20.03, Peter Knapper wrote to Kris Steenhaut:


 PK> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications driver that
 PK> handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating System, can possibly
 PK> affect the Analog interface of a Modem? Its news to me that the serial
 PK> port is in any way involved in the Analogue line negotiations that the
 PK> modem makes with its Analog connection point...

I'm only able to report the results. The why and how is stuff for guru's, I'm
afraid.
But, as the Quatech drivers are free, why don't you try it for yourself?



    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    05-Sep-99 11:31:24
  To: Herbert Bushong                                   09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Sio

Hello Herbert,
woensdag 01 september 1999 17.16, Herbert Bushong wrote to Gene Tucker:

 ::>> differnet PCI ca it is stable and able to run more than just one
 ::>> type of hardware. I just w Ray would get a new beta out.

 HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

They do have:

Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^




    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Don Guy                                           08-Sep-99 10:53:12
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Greetings!

Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2?  I love the look and feel
of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers for OSs other than Windows and 
Mac...  I'm not particularly keen on shelling out for one of them if it's not
going to work under the OS I spend 90% of my time in...

As always,
           Don


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From: Coridon Henshaw                                   08-Sep-99 21:55:24
  To: Andrew Grillet                                    09-Sep-99 10:11:20
Subj: Internet Phone

On Monday September 06 1999 at 08:37, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts:

 AR>> steady income makes the bill collectors and wife happy.

 AG> _nothing_makes wives happy.

Among mosquitos, the female sucks blood to feed her young.


I think this says something about females in general.



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From: Herbert Bushong                                   08-Sep-99 23:16:00
  To: Steve McCrystal                                   09-Sep-99 11:25:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?

::> That's what DOS boot floppies are good for... now.  That and flashing Cour
::> code. :^)

I've always flashed my Courier in a VDM. There's just a setting or two you 
have to change to allow it to work (a couple of the SIO_* settings like 
SIO_VIRTUALIZE_16550). 

#  Herbert Bushong    harchon@centuryinter.net       [TEAM OS/2]    
-  Blackbeard's BBS   herb@intelec.com               Intelec: 239:600/0
+  Fido: 1:19/19      http://www.intelec.com/software/

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From: Chris Martin                                      03-Sep-99 16:13:03
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Sep-99 11:25:15
Subj: sound card problem

Once upon a time, out on MARS.

While reading the mail, wispering this:

LE> I've got some dos mode stuff that I still use that needs to access my
LE> sound card. The problem is, they either don't see it, or telse they
LE> think they see it, but no sound comes out.

LE> It's a Media vision PAS 16, but they pretty much think it's a
sound-blaster
.

Try the Media Vision PAS16 drivers, they work (as long as you
have a PAS16 ver D or lower. I have a PAS16 ver F and NO driver
available... :(

Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net

 * WCE 2.1G1/2419 * Windoze, is changing... it's getting poorer faster!      

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From: James Mckenzie                                    09-Sep-99 02:16:00
  To: Don Guy                                           09-Sep-99 11:25:15
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello Don!

08 Sep 99 10:53, Don Guy wrote to All:

 DG> Greetings!

 DG> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2?  I love the look
 DG> and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers for OSs other
 DG> than Windows and Mac...  I'm not particularly keen on shelling out for
 DG> one of them if it's not going to work under the OS I spend 90% of my
 DG> time in...

Got one here in the box.  The third mouse button does not work with the
"native" OS/2 mouse drivers.  This is "fixed" by using the RODENT drivers.
However, I could not get them to work here.\

It is a GREAT trackball device as it continues to function, even if slightly
"dirty".

James

... Of course I'm running Windows#d+o+ NO CARRIER
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   09-Sep-99 09:05:17
  To: Gene Tucker                                       09-Sep-99 13:18:03
Subj: Sio

Gene Tucker wrote in a message to Justin Baustert:

 GT> Well high resistance in the phone line can affect what each 
 GT> modem sees. And so can a bad equaliztion across the frequency 
 GT> sweep from 20hz to 20000hz the slope should be no more or no 
 GT> less than +3db for good high speed modem connects. 

Try 300 - 3000 Hz,  which is more like the bandwidth of a typical phone
line...

No way do they go out to 20Khz!

 GT> At lleast this what a phone company engineer told me when 
 GT> checking out why my computer safe line did not perform up to 
 GT> expectation.

Nonsense.  That guy was just blowing smoke...

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Sep-99 06:33:02
  To: Gene Tucker                                       09-Sep-99 16:15:04
Subj: Sio

;
In a msg of <Monday September 06 1999>, Gene Tucker writes to Steve Mccrystal:
;
Gene,

 GT>>  I cannot comment on these drivers in truth as I have never
 GT>> tried them. I don't have Quatech hardware at all.

 GT> I am sorry if I left you with the impression that
 GT> I thought that you com port drivers readings was all that there
 GT> was to it.

No problem, Gene.  *I'm* sorry if my rambling left you with the impression
that I wanted to comment on anything but the need for Quatech hardware in
order to use the Quatech drivers!

 GT>  Heck you can't even trust the read out in the Netscape
 GT> download popup box.:)

Oh, how true that is! :^)  Sometimes, they aren't even close. It'd sure be
nice if there was something like NetMedic for OS/2. I asked, with the somewhat 
expected silence from the askee.

-[Steve]-

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   08-Sep-99 06:44:03
  To: David Calafrancesco                               09-Sep-99 16:15:04
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

;
In a msg of <Saturday September 04 1999>, David Calafrancesco writes to Eddy
Thilleman:
;
David,

 DC> The 7 SCSI drives are in an old mid tower, with 3
 DC> of the drives living in a cage removed from another case designed
 DC> to hold 3.5" drives. This cage lives down where the motherboard
 DC> would normally be but could easily be mounted to the back wall of
 DC> the case or sit in the 5.25" drive bay space. A simple SCSI cable
 DC> goes from the card to the second case.

Thanks for posting this... it's an idea I hadn't thought of, and it may well
become important in the near future as my 4 drive external SCSI case is now
quite full! OTOH, I do have an unused mini tower case with 5 drive bays in it. 
My controller will run 30 devices, altho I don't expect to crowd that
capability any time soon! :^)


-[Steve]-

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From: Bat Lang                                          09-Sep-99 02:29:27
  To: Don Guy                                           09-Sep-99 16:15:04
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

 -=> Quoting Don Guy to All, [08 Sep 99  10:53:24] <=-

 DG> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2?  I love the look
 DG> and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers for OSs other
 DG> than Windows and Mac...  I'm not particularly keen on shelling out for
 DG> one of them if it's not going to work under the OS I spend 90% of my
 DG> time in...

I can tell you that I have seen folks (here) attest to that fact, but
cannot say so from personal experience. I looked at one of those
thingies and thought they looked neat, but pricy, so I thought I'd try
the concept on the cheap, and bought a trackball from RdoShk for $25. I
liked the concept, and the RdoShk implementation, and am still using it.
No OS/2 drivers were needed, other than the ones that are already in
Warp 4. YMMV.  {^;  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com

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From: Jerry Nichols                                     08-Sep-99 17:09:08
  To: Peter Knapper                                     09-Sep-99 19:35:13
Subj: Asus P3B-F

Hi Peter Knapper,

06-Sep-99 19:14:08, Peter Knapper wrote to Jerry Nichols
          Subject: Asus P3B-F

 PK> Hi Jerry,

 JN>> Has anyone tried this motherboard Asus P3B-F with Warp v4 ?

 PK> I haven't seen a P3B-F at my local supplier, but this machine I am
 PK> replying on runs on a P2B-F using Warp 4 fine, if thats of any use

 I've read good reports about the P2B boards.
 The P3B-F board not for me it's for a friend.
 Thinking it was one of the newer board that is jumperless.
 Bios controlled only.

Later,            Jerry Nichols
                  jnichols@tcia.net



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From: Mike Roark                                        08-Sep-99 18:09:18
  To: Andrew Leary                                      09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hello Andrew!

Monday September 06 1999 14:54, Andrew Leary wrote to Bat Lang:

 BL>> remember if you can do it in a VDM, or does it need MS-DOS?
 BL>> Thanks for the prod. {^; Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

 AL> It requires real-mode DOS.  I personally have an old MS-DOS 5.00

Nope, works quite nicely in a VDM. The only problem with the new ones is that
it won't create the backup disk.

But I sort of like the idea of a backup in case the power goes out..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 22h 45m 48s 125ms (en).

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    08-Sep-99 11:56:28
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: SIO

Hello Steve,
vrijdag 03 september 1999 07.07, Steve McCrystal wrote to Kris Steenhaut:


 SM> Aha, them you don't use VMODEM, or PMLM, or...

?? I do. You are the second to talk about this. Do I miss something.


 SM> I have the Quatech drivers here, have had for some time.  I'd gladly
 SM> pay Ray again just so I didn't have to waste the time trying to make
 SM> the Quatech drivers FIND my 3 com ports!

Depends wether you are a pnp lover or not. Indeed, the Quatech drivers don't
"find" any port. Each port must be configured in the config.sys. You know,
things like:


Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3) (etc.....)
Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3) (etc.....)

Matter of taste ofcoz, but I do like that, coz this method allows me to keep
everything under control.

In the event you did configure things like that, I'll have to confess I'm
doing weird things, do I?




    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    08-Sep-99 08:00:07
  To: Holger Granholm                                   09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: SIO

Hello Holger,
vrijdag 03 september 1999 17.14, Holger Granholm wrote to Kris Steenhaut:


 HG> The same modem gives me 3700 - 3800 cps Fido transfers both sending
 HG> and receiving. That is the maximum speed to be expected from a 33600
 HG> bps analog connect. Still using SIO.

And did you compare with the Quatech, as I did?


 SM>> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?

 KS>> The files are free for download. A free 32 port version. Don't see
 KS>> much reason to pay for more for getting less.

 HG> You seem to avoid answering that question!

Must say I don't unserstand. What do you mean?

What I am saying is: the Quatech drivers are free. So the costs of a Quatech
card or board don't even come into the picture.
And in comparision to the Sio: for Sio  you have to do a hell of a business
(and to pay), in order to have additional ports installed. With the Quatech
you have the 32 ports from minute one. The only "snag" is you have to alter
the config.sys yourself. I do agree  this "obstacle" is insurmountable for the 
pnp & M$ fellows.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Kris Steenhaut                                    08-Sep-99 08:13:28
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: SIO

Hello Eddy,
zaterdag 04 september 1999 19.43, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:

 ET> Hi Kris,

 ET> 31 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Steve Mccrystal:

 KS>> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect
 KS>> with Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I
 KS>> do have regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.

 ET> Not my experience. And this tells me you have a 56K modem. Which one?

3COM U.S. Robotics faxmodem.


 ET> I've an external Etech Bullet V90.

 ET> With SIO, normally I get connects at 50667, sometimes 52000, and once
 ET> in a while 49333 (all bps) with my ISP.

 ET> 33600 for me with my fido boss, because he doesn't have a V90 server
 ET> modem.

And did you compare with the Quatech?

 KS>> Imho, the Sio never have match completely the move from Warp
 KS>> 3 --> Warp 4.

 ET> I'm running Warp 4 fp 9, and I'm using SIO. And I don't see how a
 ET> serial port driver (provided properly configured and locked at
 ET> _minimum_ 57600bps, better at 115200bps if serial port and modem
 ET> support that but most do nowadays) could affect the connect speed,
 ET> which is of a matter of only between the two modems and not to the
 ET> serial port driver in other words this is (or should be) transparent
 ET> to the system and to the serial port driver.

We might differ on that. Actually, you are saying the Warp stock comm drivers
(comm.sys, vcom.sys) are just as good as any other. No, I'm becoming fully
aware drivers are far more important that hardware.


 ET> I haven't tried the Quatech drivers, because I never heard of it
 ET> before, and I see no reason to use the Quatech drivers. Your connect
 ET> speeds are below mine, so I might conclude from this that the Quatech
 ET> drivers are less competent than SIO

No, you may not, coz I wrote I do have better connects and stability with the
Quatech,  and I did compare the Quatech & Sio. As you didn't try out the
Quatech, you can't say anything about these.


 ET> , like you make general conclusions
 ET> exclusively from _your_ experience.

At least I am talking about things I have experience of, I'm not referring to
hear-saying.

BTW: This thread started coz our friend  JdePD rightly complained about the
tricks he has  to do in order to update his 8 ports Sio. I just wanted to
provide him with a valuable alternative.


    Groeten uit Gent,
    Regards/2

      Kris

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    08-Sep-99 16:49:06
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: Sio

Kris Steenhaut made noise to Herbert Bushong:

Hi Kris,

 ::>> differnet PCI ca it is stable and able to run more than just one
 ::>> type of hardware. I just w Ray would get a new beta out.

 HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

 KS> They do have:

 KS> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)

This is not the same, VModem is a virtual modem, that is used to connect to a
BBS (or whatever) via Internet.
You are talking about Virtual-Comm driver for the DOS box, big differance.
BTW I have tested the Qcom drivers and they are not stable, SIO160d and the
latest Com.sys from IBM are.
My guess is that you are trying to connect too high true the telephone lines
so that you modem is loosing connects.
A normal stable connect is arround 44000 with a V90 connection, any higher
rates will result in data/carrier losses.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   09-Sep-99 21:33:23
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: SIO

Kris Steenhaut wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 KS> The only "snag" is you have to alter the config.sys yourself. I 
 KS> do agree  this "obstacle" is insurmountable for the pnp & M$ 
 KS> fellows.

<g>

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From: Tobias Ernst                                      09-Sep-99 08:32:23
  To: Don Guy                                           10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hallo Don!

 DG> Has anybody tried one of these beasties under OS/2? 
Yess.

 DG> I love the look and feel of them, but Logitech doesn't offer any drivers 
 DG> for OSs other than Windows and Mac...

They work as a standard PS/2 mouse, or if you connect them to the serial port
using the adapter that is supplied, as a standard serial mouse. You won't need 
any drivers (you even don't need them for Windows; the Windows "drivers" that
ship with the Trackman are just some fancy colorful tools for doing completly
trivial things that nobody really needs), well at least for accessing the
three mouse buttons and the track ball. Of course it could be that if you have 
a model with that new scroll bar wheel (or what the heck it's called), it
could be that the wheel does not work. I have never tried this, though, as I
only have two TrackMen Marble without wheel.

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: Louis Aubree                                      03-Sep-99 22:45:00
  To: Jonathan De boyne poll                            10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

 @SUBJECT:PCI(?) Modem and OS/2 Warp                                  N
Excerpts from 1999-08-16 on 11:35 :

 AR> OTOH if you wanted a cable modem, then that would be another story.

JP> I wasn't really talking about cable modems, because (as we both
JP> know) they aren't actually modems.  I cannot dial certain, unnamed,
JP> BBSes in the United State with a cable modem, after all. (-:

I think they are. A phone line is not part of the general definition
of a modem. Some modems are connected to radio transceivers, for ex.
Of course, cable modems are just for Internet access (unless the
provider is a very good one, uh...).

JP> I did consider ISDN, but again, that would limit whom I could
JP> place calls to.  I couldn't send Jack Stein a crash netmail if I
JP> had an ISDN connection, for example.  (-:

With an ISDN line, keep your old modem. Then you can connect the
modem output to a socket (analogic input) on the ISDN box, just like
you can connect your fax machine or every analogic phone device. The
ISDN box includes A/D (to 64 kbps), and D/A of course. If the callee
is not ISDN, then the D/A is performed next to the central switch.

JP> Anyway, aside from the limited connectivity, an off-the-shelf
JP> retail ISDN kit costs twice as much as a
JP> voice/data/fax/speakerphone (i.e. top of the range) modem.

And add the ISDN line (box) installation.
But you can _send_ files at 64 kbps to other ISDN users,
and send files in V90 (less than 56 kbps) to V90 modems. With a V90
modem, the maximum _sending_ speed is 33.6 kbps (V34 bis mode).
Also, ISDN to ISDN comms avoid handshaking time.

Maybe all of this is not interesting for you, as well as for me  :-)).

Something else, for everyone insterested in ISDN : be careful to
choose an ISDN kit with OS/2 driver. (I can't say more about this).

   L.A.  
...
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From: Louis Aubree                                      03-Sep-99 23:46:00
  To: Jonathan De boyne poll                            10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: Pci(?) Modem and os/2 war

 @SUBJECT:PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp                                  N
Excerpts from 1999-08-16 on 11:39 (to Andy Roberts)

JP> Even though most ISPs are available as local-rate calls here in
JP> the U.K., the Internet is *slow*. (...)
JP> I've seen file transfers and HTTP downloads slow to *tens of
JP> bytes* per second at peak load times. (...)
JP> The bottleneck was the Internet itself. (...)
JP> And this slowness translates into cost.  Local calls cost money
JP> here in the U.K..

Seasoned Internet users (I'm not one :) have many tricks to shorten
the time on line. For slow file transfers, there's a way to go off-
line, while the file is being transferred to the ISP. Then, hours
later, connect again to the ISP, and the file is loaded at full
modem speed. 

(I agree it's difficult to use the Internet as efficiently as a BBS.)

(...big snip...)

JP> The fact that I've been *forced* to connect to a U.K. ISP by
JP> recent circumstances -- all these years, I've been happily
JP> relying on Fidonet alone -- is one of the reasons that I am *now*
JP> looking to upgrade my v32bis modem.

I also find V32bis fast enough for Fidonet. And I also think of
something more speedy when I go on the Internet. But this is not
justified by slow CPS rates (of course...) nor by amounts of time
spent with almost nothing transferred on the phone line (of course
again!). This is justified because the significant data is less
densely packed on the Internet (eg HTML with gadgets vs plain text),
and because files (eg software) are more and more bloated. 
(Just like a powerful car is not useful in traffic jams nor to
cruise gently, but for long travels on open roads).

A fast modem will not pay for itself while Waiting, nor by writing
E-Mail on-line. Plan your travels, then step on the gas during slack
periods!

         L.A.  
...
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 09:04:02
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

Hi Tobias,

06 Sep 99, Tobias Ernst of 2:2476/418 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

TE> You guys don't use rack-mounted modems? I am astonished ... ;-)))

:))

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 09:12:00
  To: Gene Tucker                                       10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: Sio

Hi Gene,

06 Sep 99, Gene Tucker of 1:109/347 wrote to Steve Mccrystal:

GT> spanned the land. A stop watch and some math is the only way
GT> to get an accurate picture. and then adjuat for the
GT> variations on every single comnect. For get it I am happy to
GT> have something run without dropoffs.:)

I use Injoy as my dialer, Injoy has its own CPS download- and upload counters
and even average- and highest CPS througput. I trust Injoy on this, not
Netscape. :)

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 09:16:10
  To: Daniela Engert                                    10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Hi Daniela,

04 Sep 99, Daniela Engert of 2:2490/2576 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

DE> I upload new releases at Hobbes. From there it is spread all
DE> over the world (IN and FIDO). 

OK, thanks.

DE> If you update RSJ, you'll get the current release as well
DE> (it's bundled with RSJ for some time now).

I don't have RSJ. :)

DE> Engage your favourite search engines and you'll encounter
DE> loads of hits where you can download from.

Strange, I hadn't thought about searching your driver.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 09:16:18
  To: Peter Knapper                                     10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4

Hi Peter,

08 Sep 99, Peter Knapper of 3:772/1.10 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

PK> Not everywhere. Here it was possible to obtain a BRI with
PK> only 1B+D (at reduced rates of course), but it flopped like
PK> a lead balloon so it was removed from offer. There are still
PK> 1B+D installs around though...

I didn't know that.

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Timothy Edwards                                   09-Sep-99 20:23:20
  To: ALL                                               10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War

HB(>::>  HB> out of the way to make room for  my Courier :)

HB(>::>At around 2cm tall it also stacks nicely on top of a mini-tower
HB(>::>case, othe wasted space in most systems.  Then again I am weird,
HB(>::>I don't run a cover a have cables running from inside the system
HB(>::>all over the place ;)

HB(>hehe, that's where I keep mine, on the tower case :)

Verry bad practice, the case provides electrical shielding and
a plenum for the cooling.. my full tower has most cables off
the back, but the ones I need to "play with" are brought to
connectors mounted in blanking plates in empty drive slots.. a
parallel, a serial, and the soundcard line-level connections.

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From: George Fliger                                     09-Sep-99 06:01:14
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?

On 5 Sep 99 10:33am, Kris Steenhaut wrote to George Fliger:

 KS> Hello George,
 KS> woensdag 01 september 1999 06.00, George Fliger wrote to Kris
 KS> Steenhaut:

 GF> On 29 Aug 99 11:49am, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 KS>> Hello Eddy,
 KS>> woensdag 25 augustus 1999 10.50, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Bas
 KS>> Heijermans:

 ET>> Hi Bas,

 ET>> 16 Aug 99, Bas Heijermans of 2:292/180 wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:

 MR>>> The problem with the Matrox cards locking up while
 MR>>> displaying software  cursors is not caused by overheating.
 MR>>> I can reproduce the problem here,  and I have six cooling
 MR>>> fans inside my case.  Nothing in there ever  overheats.

 ET>> Are you using the Matrox v2.23 (or later) driver? In that case,
 ET>> try with the v2.21 driver (you can install it over the current
 ET>> one, just

 KS>> Well, you had it right about Matrox: their drivers really suck,
 KS>> no matter what bios the card is on, no matter wich 2.22 @ 2.31
 KS>> driver, no matter wich 256 @ 16.7 resolution . I've tried &
 KS>> interchanged them all by now.

 KS>> The most reliable, hmm, better say the less unreliable, are the
 KS>> latest beta 2.31.
 KS>> The 2.31 only block at high processing activities, and not on
 KS>> high file transfers too, as the 2.22 @ 2.30 do.

 KS>> Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not, definitely
 KS>> the Matrox will be kicked out here.

 GF> Sorry you feel that way because I do not experience any of the

 KS> I don't feel it that way, it tis that way.

For you, obviously.  Very narrow minded.

 KS> Moreover, since about two months, complaints about Matrox do
 KS> popup from all over the World.
 KS> If you really don't know, just subsribe to some newsgroups.

I've probably read more newsgroup information than you have A's in your
alphabet soup, son.  Your attempts at being condescending are tiring at
best.

 KS> Why since two months? Coz finally people dare to contradict the
 KS> official guru's.

Technical expertise according to Kris.  Sorry, I won't buy the novel.

 GF> problems you describe with MY Matrox Millennium II.  It's been
 GF> extremely solid, especially with the latest drivers and flash bios
 GF> code.

 KS> Well, if it solid on your's you are lucky, coz on most systems
 KS> it isn't that way at all.

Most systems.  I suppose you're going to stand here and say you've been
to every office and household in the entire world that has a system with
a Matrox card in it and can "personally" profess to its lousy operation.
Puleasse!!!!  You're so funny as to be laughable.

 GF>   In fact, the latest drivers fixed a background display problem
 KS>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 KS> Didn't you say they are "extremely" solid? :-)

Extremely solid means no lockups, no crashes, no funny changes at
different resolutions.  The background display problem was simply that.
Transparent backgrounds would not display in ONE particular program but
that didn't stop the program from functioning.  But, if you followed the
newsgroups you put such great store in, you'd already know that now,
wouldn't you. :)

 GF> With the above in mind, your comment that Matrox drivers, "really
 GF> suck" seems to only apply to your use of them.

 KS> No boy, the "it's only you" trick will not work anymore.
 KS> Complaints do bumb in from all over the work. Do subscibe to
 KS> some newsgroups, please.

You're such a crybaby.  Try again.

 GF>   They blow the socks
 GF> off of IBM's GRADD drivers and SDD's drivers in speed and performance
 GF> here.

 KS> This is an ld story, you know? The SDD drivers blow the
 KS> socks off the Matrox, even the 2.31.
 KS> You'd better update your level of information a bit, I'm afraid.

I can prove my claims.  You're invited over anytime you want to "put up
or shut up."

 KS> BTW: even the IBM-NS programmers team have pointed to the
 KS> Matrox as cause of a some serious  of Netscape bugs.

The IBM-NS programmers can point out problems with just about every
video adapter out there, given the right scenario.  So what else is new?
You *CAN* do better than that, can't you?

 KS> No, it is not only my. And imho, the Matrox can't be
 KS> recommended at all.

Matrox is an excellent product that you just happen to not like.  But,
just because you don't like it and don't care that my comments paint the
product in a much more pleasing light doesn't give you the right to bash
me for it.  Your attempts at being condescending are childish at best.

My suggestion to you is to go back home, go back to bed and get back up
on the right side.  You're in obvious need of a good nap.  It does
wonders for the attitude.

George


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From: Herbert Bushong                                   09-Sep-99 04:29:00
  To: Kris Steenhaut                                    10-Sep-99 13:22:24
Subj: Sio

::>  HB> And the Quatech drivers don't have the equivalent of VMODEM.

::> They do have:

::> Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qvcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3)
::>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, that is the equivalent of VCOM.SYS and VSIO.SYS.  It is not the same as 
VMODEM.EXE. 

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   09-Sep-99 06:22:13
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Sep-99 16:18:03
Subj: SIO

;
In a msg of <Tuesday September 07 1999>, Roy J. Tellason writes to Steve
McCrystal:
;
Roy,

 SM>> After seeing this post, my apology.  I suspected all along
 SM>> that you knew the difference, but you surely didn't say so!
 SM>> :^)

 RT> Heh.  And you guys aren't gonna let me live it down for a while
 RT> either,  are you...?  :-)

I surely won't mention it again, unless there is a compelling reason to do so. 
I doubt that'll happen, tho. :^)

-[Steve]-

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From: Bas Heijermans                                    09-Sep-99 10:05:22
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Sep-99 21:25:26
Subj: Matrox drivers?

Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:

Hi Eddy,

BH> I have gone back to the 2.20.6 from the CD that came with
BH> the Matrox, all problems are solved now.

 ET> Have you tried the 2.21 driver (it runs here without
 ET> problems at 1280x1024 32-bits colors) or the 2.22 driver?

I have to work on my PC, the 2.23 wasn't good and the original are.

Warp3SMP,

Bas Heijermans.

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