
                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 04-Sep-1999 to Friday, 10-Sep-1999

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From: Steven Thompson                                   01-Sep-99 23:20:01
  To: Rob Basler                                        04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

Hello Rob.

01 Sep 99 13:04, you wrote to me:

 RB> This info is used by the Migrate utility, just type MIGRATE and hit
 RB> Enter at an OS/2 command prompt.  Good luck.

GREAT!  SC2000 works now...  Now if I could only get Heroes II to work.  When
I start it with the CD in the drive, it freezes before a screen is displayed,
but if I start it w/o the CD, it complains, and if you put the CD in the
drive, it will take you to the beginning screen, but the mouse is stuck.  Any
ideas on optimizations?

Steve.

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From: Herbert Bushong                                   01-Sep-99 17:16:00
  To: Steven Thompson                                   04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

::> Having a heck of a time with Sim City 2000.

SimCity 2000 is in the program database in the \OS2\INSTALL  directory. If
you create a new program object and the program file is SC2000.EXE it *should* 

set the proper settings. Anyways, here's the settings for it from the 
DATABASE.TXT file:

REM SimCity 2000 by Maxis
REM --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    NAME                        SC2000.EXE
    TITLE                       SimCity 2000
    PARAMETERS                  NO_MEM_CHK NO_INTRO
    TYPE                        DOS
    ASSOC_FILE                  SC2000.DAT
    DEF_DIR                     \SC2000
    SESSION_MODE                FULLSCREEN
    DOS_BACKGROUND_EXECUTION    OFF
    DOS_HIGH                    ON
    DOS_UMB                     ON
    EMS_MEMORY_LIMIT            0
    HW_TIMER                    ON
    IDLE_SECONDS                60
    IDLE_SENSITIVITY            100
    INT_DURING_IO               OFF
    KBD_ALTHOME_BYPASS          ON
    KBD_CTRL_BYPASS             CTRL_ESC
    VIDEO_8514A_XGA_IOTRAP      OFF
    VIDEO_RETRACE_EMULATION     OFF
    XMS_MEMORY_LIMIT            4096
    FOLDER                      <WP_GAMES>

I assume these are changes from the default settings. I have run SC 2000 
without problems so perhaps the above will help.

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From: Ian Moote                                         02-Sep-99 07:20:00
  To: ROB BASLER                                        04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Pesky directory.

IM> RB> IM>I've got a pesky subdirectory here that won't delete. 
IM> RB>
IM> RB> You could try dragging it to a floppy, then formatting that.
IM>
IM> Oooo -- forgot about _that_ trick! [:) I don't think the "move" will
IM> work, but I'll give it a shot in a few minutes. Actually, I haven't
IM> tried renaming it yet, either. Might be worth a shot.

It wouldn't copy to a floppy. Renaming it didn't work, either.

Thanks, anyway. Take care and TTYL.

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From: Don Guy                                           02-Sep-99 21:08:17
  To: Murray Lesser                                     04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Greetings Murray!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Murray
Lesser to All was intercepted...

 ML> "Remember the new version of Netscape Communicator 4.6.1 we told you
 ML> about last month?  Free download of the beta version?  Well, it has
 ML> been refreshed, so if you got the original, you should get the
 ML> update. Have a look at http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/"

This is a refresh which is more recent than the 99/08/11 release I take it?

-Don



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From: Steven Thompson                                   02-Sep-99 22:34:05
  To: Ruth Argust                                       04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Video card

Hello Ruth.

01 Sep 99 22:06, you wrote to me:

 RA> Very true.

Yes...  Sad, but true.

 RA> I usually check on the internet to see if any updated drivers are
 RA> available for anything since the prepacked ones are usually 5 years
 RA> old :)

Sadder still, the drivers on the Internet were older than the ones prepacked
on the CD.

Steve.

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From: Andy Roberts                                      03-Sep-99 11:10:04
  To: Ben Ritchey                                       04-Sep-99 01:20:02
Subj: Backup

 Ben Ritchey,

02-Sep-99 15:42:00, John Thompson wrote to Ben Ritchey
 JT> In a message to John Thompson, Ben Ritchey wrote
          Subject: Backup

 JT>>> In any case, I use InfoZip's ZIP.EXE to back up my wife's laptop
 JT>>> and have used UNZIP.EXE to restore to a bare HD on that machine
 JT>>> and it worked fine.

 BR>> You wouldn't have the syntax/switches handy?

 JT> I use:

 JT> zip -9rS d:\backup c:\* -x c:\os2\system\SWAPPER.DAT

 JT> This recursively backs up everything on the C: drive to d:\backup.zip
 JT> (on an external ZIP drive) using maximum compression, except for the
 JT> swap file, which is ignored.  To restore simply "unzip d:\backup" from
 JT> C:\

I have a few directories I want a backup of that also removes old files, such
as msg-bases, that may no longer be in the dir, but were in the previous *.Zip
file.  So I start by deleting specific subdirectories from the previous *.Zip
file.  Then add anything new or changed.  This is much faster than just Zip
everything from scratch, since Zip simply skips over all files that have not
changed.  What I get is an incremental backup in a Zip file that can be
UnZip'd for a full restore of each of those dirs.

--- BackUp.cmd ---
zip -d l:\Adept.zip \Mailer\*
zip -d l:\Mr2i.zip \mail\* \ME\* \SENT\*
zip -d l:\Te.zip \TERMAIL\SAVE\* \TERMAIL\ECHO\*
f:
cd\adept
zip -o -r -u -9 l:\Adept.zip *
cd\mr2i
zip -o -r -u -9 l:\Mr2i.zip *
j:
cd\te
zip -o -r -u -9 l:\Te.zip *
g:
cd\so
zip -o -r -u -9 l:\so.zip *
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Another advantage of Info-Zip/UnZip is that I can UnZip to anywhere on my HD
and just copy a single file or directory of files to my working partition.
The BackUp.Exe that comes with Warp requires it to be restored to the exact
same partition it came from.  That's ok for my boot partition, but too large
(time consuming) and not flexible enough for my data and working apps.  I find
with Info-Zip that since I can do a BackUp quickly and easily, then I am more
likely to do it more often or in an automated maintenance routine.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  03-Sep-99 20:13:00
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         04-Sep-99 08:20:02
Subj: 2 Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to All dated 09-01-99 ***
>     WHAT        Finds any embedded SCCS identifying strings in files.

Jonathan,

What are SCCS strings??

TIA
Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Ruth Argust                                       03-Sep-99 18:21:05
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  04-Sep-99 08:20:02
Subj: Video card

Hi Leonard!

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 LE> Ah. You haven't heard the old joke:

 LE> Q. What's the difference between a computer salesman and a used car
 LE> salesman? A. The used car salesman *knows* when he's lieing.

I believe that many computer salesmen have to take an advance test for their
employment. If their IQ exceeds 50, they don't get the job :)

                                 *ruth*

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From: Jack Stein                                        02-Sep-99 07:05:17
  To: Paul Marwick                                      04-Sep-99 08:20:02
Subj: File Managers

Paul Marwick wrote in a message to Bat Lang:

 PM> Anyhow, I've just completed an extensive review of OS/2 file
 PM> managers. The results will be on my Web site within the next
 PM> couple of weeks (just being proof-read and having graphics
 PM> added).

 PM> OS/2 Commander was one of the programs that I tried. I liked
 PM> it a good deal, but found a number of annoying bugs (failure
 PM> handing files with long filenames and FILES.BBS entries,

OS/2 Commander doesn't seem to have a problem with long filenames here, or
FILES.BBS entries?  What kind of problems, maybe I'm missing something.
He will display file descriptions in the other window from a FILES.BBS _or_ a
4OS2 description file, they both work here as described?

 PM> failure to read most self-extracting archives, 

Which file manager handles more self-extracting archives?  Most file managers
don't handle them at all, in fact most don't handle regular archives let alone 
self-extracting ones.

 PM> odd behaviour after viewing files within archives,

I've noticed no problems here after viewing files within archives at all?  I
did notice a problem with his built in editor, in that if doing a search for a 
string, after the first hit, and edit, the second hit doesn't let you edit
correctly.  The only other bug I've noticed is when using hot keys to change
directories, or the wcd program he developed, you may have to move up or down
a directory before OS2C will work on highlighted files, somehow the new
directory is not fully registered, although it shows the files correctly.  

I've been using OS2C for years, and thats about the only two "bugs" I've
noticed, both are very minor.  I generally don't use his editor anyway, and he 
doesn't really expect you to use his, he allows 2 other external editors plus
his assigned to hot keys, so that one is a non-problem.  

 PM> Having got no replies at all from the author, I wasn't prepared 
 PM> to register it.

Yes, I don't know what happened to Wolfgang, but I do know if I only used
software where I could contact the author, I wouldn't use much stuff.  He was
at one time very supportive and responsive, and posted in this echo.  He has
always been an extremly pro OS/2 man, one of us actually.  He seems to have
gone from the scene, but I'd bet money he is not in Windows land.  He's either 
sick, dead, busy, lost interest or went to Unix since IBM has been doing it's
best to kill OS/2 since 95.  That is the only reason I'd consider FC/2 over
OS2C.  There have been several FC/2 releases since I last looked at it though, 
it may have caught up to Commander by now.

 PM> I looked at a number of other options as well. Including MC.
 PM> While MC is very like OS/2 commander (text-mode, exteneded
 PM> Norton Commander clone), its fairly painful to set up (and
 PM> the docs aren't real clear on what has to be done either..).
 PM> The fact that its free helps, but not enough...

I've looked at most of the ones you mentioned, and all were horrible compared
to OS2C and FC/2.  MC wasn't anything like OS2C when I looked at it.  I
probably would go with FC/2 simply because it is very close to OS2C in
features and is still actively being developed.  

                                              Jack 
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From: George Fliger                                     03-Sep-99 05:40:20
  To: John Hicks                                        04-Sep-99 08:20:02
Subj: Re: Compaq + OS2

On 2 Sep 99 05:06pm, John Hicks wrote to George Fliger:

 JH> Hi George. Thanks for the reply but I'm stuch stuck with the
 JH> compaq as I am paying it off but in the future if I need
 JH> another computer or am advising someone of on a computer I'll
 JH> steer clear of compaq products.

Compaq in and of itself is not a bad product.  It's just the Presario
line that you need to try and avoid.  That line is the low-end preload
system you usually find in places like Best Buy, Circuit City, Service
Merchandise, etc.  We like to call them pallet packages.

They were designed for the home user that needs a system that comes out
of the box ready to go with all the cables color-coded for a mistake-free
setup.  God help them when it breaks. :)

George


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From: George Fliger                                     03-Sep-99 05:47:22
  To: John Hicks                                        04-Sep-99 08:20:02
Subj: Re: OS/2 on a compaq?

On 2 Sep 99 05:08pm, John Hicks wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

 JH> The pheonix bios is the problem according to the readme file on
 JH> my cd. Aside from this the installation freezes shortly after
 JH> its begun and I would assume its the bios incompatiblity that
 JH> is the problem. ---

Did I mention that Compaq keeps Softpaq software patches/fixes/bios
updates on their website?  As long as you have your model type and
number (like a Presario 4710) you can do a search of the site and find
the links to pages that have updates for your particular model.  After
applying all the appropriate updates for your model you might very well
fix the freezing problem.  You might have luck getting OS/2 installed
after then but I make no guarantees.  These machines were designed
particularly with Windows95 (not 98, OS/2 or NT) in mind.  It's worth
one more shot though.

George


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From: Ruth Argust                                       03-Sep-99 23:48:12
  To: Steven Thompson                                   04-Sep-99 08:20:02
Subj: Video card

Hi Steven,

Steven Thompson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 RA> I usually check on the internet to see if any updated drivers are
 RA> available for anything since the prepacked ones are usually 5 years
 RA> old :)

 ST> Sadder still, the drivers on the Internet were older than the ones
 ST> prepacked on the CD.

Those were the ones that probably worked though :)

                             *ruth*

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From: Gene Tucker                                       04-Sep-99 17:47:01
  To: Ruth Argust                                       04-Sep-99 17:47:01
Subj: Video Card

In a message dated 09-03-99, Ruth Argust said to Leonard Erickson:


RA>Hi Leonard!

RA>Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 LE> Ah. You haven't heard the old joke:

 LE> Q. What's the difference between a computer salesman and a used car
 LE> salesman? A. The used car salesman *knows* when he's lieing.

RA>I believe that many computer salesmen have to take an 
RA>advance test for their employment. If their IQ exceeds 50, 
RA>they don't get the job :)

RA>                                 *ruth*

I have sold computers. Not for long though. I felt that the clients best
interest was the way to gardner and keep business. If that means you lost a
partial sale or sale then so be it. I don't sell computers anymore and I don't
want to be in that market anylonger as it is too competitive. So much the
interests of the consumer are often lost in the fray. but then we have the
problem of the hardware manufacterers. The sad truth is that if you ae honest
you will loose in the market.
___
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From: Ben Ritchey                                       04-Sep-99 07:56:09
  To: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 19:14:10
Subj: Re: Backup

CHRS: IBMPC 2

* Previously, Andy Roberts & Ben Ritchey :

 zip.exe -9RS e:\install\drivef f:\* -x f:\SWAPPER.DAT

Works like a champ!

    Be well,

      Ben    aka CMech  http://Positron.org/cmech/

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Sep-99 23:15:17
  To: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 20:36:04
Subj: File Managers

Hi Andy,

01 Sep 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to paul marwick:

AR> --- Excerpt FC.INI ---
AR> [Associations]
AR> *.inf: view
AR> *.hlp: view

*.{inf,hlp}: view !

AR> *.htm: netscape /!
AR> *.wav: wepm

Don't you have MP3 files and Warpamp?? :)

AR> *.gif: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
AR> *.jpg: f:\pmview\pmview.exe
AR> *.bmp: f:\pmview\pmview.exe

*.{bmp,gif,jpg,jpeg,pcx,png,tif,tga}: c:\pmview\pmview !

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Gord Hannah                                       04-Sep-99 07:45:27
  To: Jack Stein                                        04-Sep-99 20:36:04
Subj: File Managers

Hi Jack, hope you are having a nice day! :-)

02-Sep-99 07:05:35, Jack Stein wrote to Paul Marwick
          Subject: File Managers

 PM>> failure to read most self-extracting archives,

 JS> Which file manager handles more self-extracting archives?  Most
 JS> file managers don't handle them at all, in fact most don't
 JS> handle regular archives let alone self-extracting ones

FC/2 easy highlight the self extracting file then use the key
combination of ctrl pgdn voila the files are listed and ready for
extracting.  I use it quite often here.

Not as elegant as my old DOS Stand by SHEZ but it does the job.  I got
spoiled with SHEZ so therefore all file commanders are hard pressed to
match it, I used SHEZ to the "n"th degree on my old system,
practically did everything with it. The only problem I had after
moving to OS/2 was that SHEZ choked and all emails to see if he would
revamp it a bit and update SHEZ author were NOT answered, too bad for
me.  INSPECTA I never could get my mind wrapped around it.  I used to
use mfm to manage my FILES.BBS on my old system, Shez to do the rest.

TODAY I use FC/2 and a file manager for ADEPT to do my FILES.BBS
stuff.


Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.

http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca 
Cheers!
Gord Hannah 
-=Team OS/2=-

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From: Scott Jones                                       04-Sep-99 08:00:09
  To: LEE ARONER                                        05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Re: Devcon

-=> LEE ARONER wrote to ROB BASLER <=-


 RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
  > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
  > Server for e-Business.


 LA>    Yeah, and it costs a pile too.

What Rob was referring to *is* free.  Signing up for the Solution
Developer program (which is free) gives you free download access to
DevCon at the Premier level.  http://www.developer.ibm.com

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Scott Jones                                       04-Sep-99 08:08:19
  To: Ruth Argust                                       05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Re: Video card

-=> Ruth Argust wrote to Leonard Erickson <=-


 LE> Q. What's the difference between a computer salesman and a used car
 LE> salesman? A. The used car salesman *knows* when he's lieing.

 RA> I believe that many computer salesmen have to take an advance test for
 RA> their employment. If their IQ exceeds 50, they don't get the job :)

Agreed, though I did find one locally who not only has heard of OS/2,
but actually *uses and prefers* it.  I now use him almost exclusively
(of course, the fact that he gives hardware discounts to other OS/2
users doesn't hurt ;)).

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    04-Sep-99 07:26:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Re: Backup

 AR> I have a few directories I want a backup of that also removes old
 AR> files, such as msg-bases, that may no longer be in the dir, but were in
 AR> the previous *.Zip file.  So I start by deleting specific
 AR> subdirectories from the previous *.Zip file.  Then add anything new or
 AR> changed.  This is much faster than just Zip everything from scratch,
 AR> since Zip simply skips over all files that have not changed.  What I
 AR> get is an incremental backup in a Zip file that can be UnZip'd for a
 AR> full restore of each of those dirs.

I've been using that approach on some machines that have no other means
of backup.  It works, but keeping the obsolete files pruned out of the
.ZIPs is a real pain.  Sure wish Info-ZIP would develop an option that
would do the whole thing--make the .ZIP match the current directory
without re-processing files that are unchanged.

Jack P.
 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     02-Sep-99 16:50:02
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

* Reply to a message in Sysop.

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 CV> 24 Aug 99 17:17, Russell Tiedt wrote to All:
 RT> I am trying to install Fixpack 38 for WARP3 to WARP3 CONNECT, but I
 RT> get the following error on running  "fpinst WARP3"
 RT> CSF0257: No product has been selected.
 CV>     Use latest kicker package. For example 1.39 or newer.

Well I just downloaded a few of them and if I have time this weekend I will
see if I fare any better.:-))

Go well, and God bless,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     02-Sep-99 18:26:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 CV> Hello Russell!

 CV> 24 Aug 99 17:17, Russell Tiedt wrote to All:
 RT> I am trying to install Fixpack 38 for WARP3 to WARP3 CONNECT, but I
 RT> get the following error on running  "fpinst WARP3"
 RT> CSF0257: No product has been selected.
 CV>     Use latest kicker package. For example 1.39 or newer.

What I was using was CSF140.exe, and the fixpack images where unpacked to
C:\XRUW038\FIX\.

Disk images are in C:\XRUW038\, maybe I should copy them to C:\FIX\, I don't
know. Also I don't have the time right now to play with it further.

Go well, and God bless,

Russell 
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     02-Sep-99 18:30:16
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: Is the world about to get a CLU?

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote in a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

 CV> 26 Aug 99 07:47, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to All:
 JP> I direct the attention of all of my OS2CLU pre-release testers to the
 JP> message that I just posted in the OS2CLU echo (which some of you
 JP> receive as a mailing list, and may not read frequently -- because it
 JP> has been rather quiet of late -- hence the reason that I'm also
 JP> posting this notice in this echo).  Please note the rather short
 JP> timescale.  This has been dictated by personal circumstances. I'd
 JP> appreciate a response *as soon as possible* within the next few days.

 CV>     What is CLU?

CLU as I understand it, stands for Command Line Utilities.

Go well, and God bless,

Russell 
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From: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 07:50:04
  To: paul marwick                                      05-Sep-99 00:19:14
Subj: File Managers

 paul marwick,

03-Sep-99 10:56:06, paul marwick wrote to Andy Roberts
 pm> Replying to a message of Andy Roberts to paul marwick:
          Subject: File Managers

 pm>>> FC/2 - text mode, NC clone, _very_ few bugs,

 AR>> What bugs in particular?

 pm> :-) I've not found anything other than a couple of cosmetic
 pm> problems - mainly in the Windows version

That's your problem.  You should use the OS/2 version. <g>

 pm> (which I end up using, given the amount of time I have to spend working
 pm> on Windows boxes..).

If that is Win-OS/2 you could still use the OS/2 version and just switch to
the other task.

I never have any need for Windows except for PaintBrush.  If you are spending
much time in Windows, then you need more native OS/2 apps.

 pm> Officially, the following have been fixed for the next release

 pm> Archive reading would crash on archives with more than 32768
 pm> entries. Found files list box wasn't being updated properly after
 pm> deleting files from it with F

 pm>>> There is also an active mailing list (well, reasonably
 pm>>> active...).

 AR>> Humm.. I should look into the Mailing List.

 pm> Its pretty  quiet at present (also haven't heard back from Brian
 pm> after sending hi e-mail regarding my paying an extra fee to have a
 pm> couple of extra features added..). Still, a potentially valuable
 pm> resource

 AR>> Anyway I'm glad to see my old favorite moving up to the top of
 AR>> the charts.

 pm> Well, I looked at a lot of file managers. I still like many of the
 pm> things that InspectA does, but I can't stand the bugs any more..

I use InspectA, but ONLY for viewing/deleting Fidonet mail bundles.

 pm> I use quite a lot of log files and prefer that the viewer does not
 pm> start with word wrap on. I didn't find any way of changing the
 pm> default in the setup, but I did find the following in FC/2's .INI
 pm> file

 pm> ViewerWrap=off

 pm> Once saved, this allows the internal viewer to start with word
 pm> wrap off.

Interesting.  I just left View to wrap and use Edit when I don't want it to
wrap.

One feature I would like to see in FC/2 Edit is the ability to force hard CR
for wrap similar to EZQuote.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Ian Moote                                         04-Sep-99 17:48:00
  To: ALL                                               05-Sep-99 02:18:26
Subj: Netscape E-Mail alert.

In Netscape, my audio alert for incoming E-Mail doesn't work. I've got 
it enabled in the preferences and have mucked around with a couple of 
system settings but it just won't work. I've checked the online help but 
found nothing but a reference to the Preferences setting. I found 
nothing in the readme's in the Netscape directories, either.

Does anyone else have this feature of Netscape working? Any ideas on how 
I can get it working?

TIA.


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From: Murray Lesser                                     04-Sep-99 13:43:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      04-Sep-99 13:43:00
Subj: Backup

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-03-99, Andy Roberts to Ben Ritchey)

Hi Andy--

AR>Another advantage of Info-Zip/UnZip is that I can UnZip to anywhere
  >on my HD and just copy a single file or directory of files to my
  >working partition. The BackUp.Exe that comes with Warp requires it to
  >be restored to the exact same partition it came from...

    Not true.  I use OS/2's BACKUP and RESTORE utilities for backup to
Zip diskettes.  I can restore part or all of the backed-up partition to
any partition by properly specifying the RESTORE command.  The only
restriction is that the restored files(s) must be placed in a directory
having the same name as the original directory.

    The disadvantage of BACKUP/RESTORE (as compared to ZIP/UNZIP) is
that there isn't any compression: the pair of backup files takes
approximately the same space as did the original.  The advantage is that
the number of esoteric specialized commands to get BACKUP/RESTORE to do
what i want them to do is minimal, so are easy to remember.  In
particular, BACKUP always sees all "hidden" and/or "system" files;
RESTORE always replaces all file attributes (except the archive
attribute) on the restored files, with no prompts by the user.

    Both ZIP/UNZIP and BACKUP/RESTORE back up by file, not by disk
image.  So either one has several operational advantages over the usual
utilities for backing up to tapes.  In particular, you can back up a FAT
partition, reformat that partition to HPFS, and then restore the
original partition contents, thereby converting the partition from FAT
to HPFS without any third-party tools.  In fact, you can convert a
partition from HPFS to FAT using the same technique, if you have need to
do so. (You must run SYSINSTX after restoring the boot partition to get
it to work; BACKUP/RESTORE will do this for you automatically if it can
find SYSINSTX in the directory RESTORE was run from.)

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: David Noon                                        03-Sep-99 18:31:01
  To: John Hicks                                        05-Sep-99 06:44:27
Subj: OS/2 on a compaq?

In a message dated 09-02-99, John Hicks said to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
about "OS/2 on a compaq?"

Hi John,

JH>The pheonix bios is the problem according to the readme 
JH>file on my cd. Aside from this the installation freezes 
JH>shortly after its begun and I would assume its the bios 
JH>incompatiblity that is the problem.

IIRC, the only strange thing about the Phoenix BIOS was in later revisions
there was a non-standard BIOS interrupt to detect RAM above 64MeB. Just how
new is your machine? Does it support > 64MeB of RAM?

What version of OS/2 are you trying to install?

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: John Hicks                                        05-Sep-99 17:33:00
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Sep-99 08:14:15
Subj: Compaq + OS2

Hi George, My presario came with a five year warrantee which I paid a bit
extra for so in total its covered for 6 years so hopefully nothing will go
wrong with it after the period is up. Thanks for the reply.

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From: John Hicks                                        05-Sep-99 18:59:00
  To: David Noon                                        05-Sep-99 11:35:18
Subj: OS/2 on a compaq?

The OS/2 I was trying to install was warp 3 and no the bios doesn't go beyond 
48 Mb which is bit of a bugger in case I need greater than this in the
future. I'm only using 16Mb at the moment with another 16 Mb due to go in the 
spare slot.
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From: Bat Lang                                          04-Sep-99 17:22:20
  To: Jack Stein                                        05-Sep-99 11:35:18
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Paul Marwick, [02 Sep 99  07:05:35] <=-

 JS> He's either sick, dead, busy, lost interest
 JS> or went to Unix since IBM has been doing it's best to kill OS/2 since
 JS> 95.  That is the only reason I'd consider FC/2 over OS2C.  There have
 JS> been several FC/2 releases since I last looked at it though, it may
 JS> have caught up to Commander by now.

Remember NT? - Not There! That says it IMHO. {^; Good Modeming! /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          04-Sep-99 17:37:20
  To: Don Guy                                           05-Sep-99 11:35:18
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Don Guy to Murray Lesser, [02 Sep 99  21:08:34] <=-

 ML> "Remember the new version of Netscape Communicator 4.6.1 we told you
 ML> about last month?  Free download of the beta version?  Well, it has
 ML> been refreshed, so if you got the original, you should get the
 ML> update. Have a look at http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/netscape/"

 DG> This is a refresh which is more recent than the 99/08/11 release I
 DG> take it?

4477405  08/12/99  14:08:58  ---A   NETSCAPE EXE
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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  02-Sep-99 04:20:24
  To: Steven Thompson                                   05-Sep-99 13:48:27
Subj: Java OS/2

>To: Bryan Schwartz
>20 Jun 99 09:32, you wrote to All:
> BS> OS/2 Warp Development Kit for Java and Runtime Environment
> BS> Sun Java 2 technology   preview version 1.1.8
> BS> http://www.ibm.com/software/os/warp/downloads/java

     This is the runtime files & updates.

>I was under the impression that it was a full release.  At least, the copy I
>have is.  :)
>Steve.

     Not sure where you went for the JAVA v1.1.8, but I'm downloading it now.
The full version for OS/2 is apx: 20,318K in size.  File Name:  javainuf.exe

     Go to Software Choice's:
http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/java/f-server.htm

- IBM OS/2 Warp Developer Kit, Java(TM) Technology Edition, Version 1.1.8 -
ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/software/asd/java/en_us/javainuf.exe

Hope this helps.

Glen
The Animal

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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  02-Sep-99 05:01:28
  To: paul marwick                                      05-Sep-99 13:48:27
Subj: File Managers

>To: Bat Lang
>CHRS: IBMPC 2
>Hi Bat
>Replying to a message of Bat Lang to John Thompson:
>
> BL> As a registered user of OS2C (OS/2 Commander), with which I was happy
> BL> until the author became incommunicado about a year ago. I am still
> BL> quite happy with it, but would like it a whole lot more if there was
> BL> an author taking an active interest in furthering its
> BL> usefulness/features. It is a text mode twin window display (similar
>
>OS/2 Commander was one of the programs that I tried. I liked it a good deal,
>but found a number of annoying bugs (failure handing files with long
filenames

     Not sure what you mean here.  I'm a registered user of OS/2 Commander.  I
have NO problems viewing or reading longfile names.  There is a setting in the
configuration of OSC-124 that allows the display in the lower left corner/line
of the actual long file name.  As long as the files are or reside on an HPFS
formatted drive I have had no problems.  FAT formatted drives will not display
for ovious reasons.

     Just checked a few things.  IF you have your left side panel set to FULL
the left most colum will show a long file as: " dun_general_p " 
In the lower left BOTTOM line/box the LFN is displayed as:
dun_general_property_sheet.gif

     The only thing I don't like or would consider a bug would be *IF* you tag
(inset key) several different files in the directory.  The LFN no longer is
displayed in the lower left bottom line, but is replaced with the amount of K
or MB's in files that are tagged.  I wouldn't call that a bug.

>and FILES.BBS entries, failure to read most self-extracting archives, 

     Again I use OSC-124 for managing my files area on the bbs system. 
Reading
or archiving files.bbs files haven't been an issue here.  It works for me.

     Failure to read "Self-Extracting Archives", if you mean that it runs the
files, then I disagree with you.  But to VIEW (F3) an *.exe file works fine or
as it should.  If you mean placing the curser on the file and hitting <enter>
key I wouldn't call that a BUG.  I would call that "Running the program" as it
should.  IF you do the same on any other OS it would be expected to do the
same thing.

>odd behaviour after viewing files within archives, etc..).

     Odd Behavior after viewing files in an archive.  I have had this one a
few
times, but later found out that I didn't have my archiver setup properly on my
system (info-zip in config.sys path statement - oversight by me).  Once I
fixed
that problem I haven't had any problems.  I have gone as far as reading 3
archives deep within a zip file with no real problems.  Works for me.

>Having got no replies at all from the author, I wasn't prepared to register
it

     I registered it because it DOES MORE than I would ask for.  Untel I tryed
OSC-124 I us Norton Commander v4.0 & v5.0 on my OS/2 systems.  I have always
used Norton Commander.  OS/2 Commander has replaced then as the MOST used
program on all of my OS/2 systems.

     I have to agree with you on the author.  I have recieved no replies
either.  It is NOT uncommon for authers to NOT answer e-mail inquiries.  The
Better Authors ususally answer their mail, its to their benifit and future
registrations to answer inquiries.

>Hopefully the full review should be on the web site wihin the next couple of
>weeeks (depends when the proof-readers get through with it). So you should be
>able to find it shortly at:
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~paulm/os2sig

     Look forward to visiting your site and reading your comments on the
different programs.

Glen
The Animal
Bushidokai BBS - Whittier, CA.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  04-Sep-99 19:25:00
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Sep-99 13:48:27
Subj: Re: Compaq + OS2

*** Quoting George Fliger to John Hicks dated 09-03-99 ***
> Compaq in and of itself is not a bad product.  It's just the Presario
> line that you need to try and avoid.  That line is the low-end preload

I have to agree with you..  I have installed Warp 4 on a Compaq EN and a
Compaq Deskpro XL (SCSI)..  These are both buisness boxes, not home boxes..  

To be fair, I did have to take out one or two things out of the sniffer to get 
it to boot..  Dont remember what any more, but deleting the OS2 logo file
allowed me to see which file it was hanging on..

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  04-Sep-99 20:06:00
  To: George Fliger                                     05-Sep-99 13:48:27
Subj: Re: OS/2 on a compaq?

*** Quoting George Fliger to John Hicks dated 09-03-99 ***
> Did I mention that Compaq keeps Softpaq software patches/fixes/bios
> updates on their website?  As long as you have your model type and
> number (like a Presario 4710) you can do a search of the site and find

Compaq has a very nice lookup system on the webb..  You choose the line
(Presario), the model (4710), then look for what you want..  The buisness
model lookup is much better then the home line, and includes OS/2 for some
drivers..

I would have thought the Presario would have a normal IDE controller in it.. 
This would leave the video as a possible problem..  It should have ESS audio
which I did get to work (I think)..

Hope John reads this..  :}
The webb site is www.compaq.com/support

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Doug Neeson                                       04-Sep-99 20:15:12
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 13:48:27
Subj: Startrax

Does anyone here use Startrax Lite Radio Station Automation system.

We are trying to set it up and having difficulties.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards 

 Doug 

"OS/2ing it!"

dneeson@hotmail.com

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From: Will Honea                                        05-Sep-99 13:31:00
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  05-Sep-99 13:31:00
Subj: Re: Compaq + OS2

Rich Wonneberger wrote to George Fliger on 09-04-1999

RW> *** Quoting George Fliger to John Hicks dated 09-03-99 ***
RW> > Compaq in and of itself is not a bad product.  It's just the Presario
RW> > line that you need to try and avoid.  That line is the low-end preload
RW> 
RW> I have to agree with you..  I have installed Warp 4 on a 
RW> Compaq EN and a Compaq Deskpro XL (SCSI)..  These are both 
RW> buisness boxes, not home boxes..  
RW> 
RW> To be fair, I did have to take out one or two things out of the
RW> sniffer to  get it to boot..  Dont remember what any more, but
RW> deleting  the OS2 logo file allowed me to see which file it was 
RW> hanging on..

On the Despro I had to remove the sniffer for a couple of CDROMS, all
the older Sony devices as I recall.  The built in sound card also gave
me grief.  Once I did that it seemed to go OK.  Oh, and if you use a
SCSI hard drive (built in Adaptec ctlr) and an IDE CDROM which seems to
have been the common setup, be sure you specify 'other IDE CDROM' in
the install screen - damned setup wants to see a SCSI CD if the
controller is there so you have to force it use the IDE CD or you wind
up not being able to find the CDROM on re-boot.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Sep-99 07:55:07
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         05-Sep-99 16:29:09
Subj: A BIG sort...

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> Actually, I don't think the gnu sort uses the "/" as a switch at all, 
 JS> just the "-" as a switch symbol.  So it's -r not /r.  Total
 JS> incompatability...  At any rate, I'd highly recommend the gnu sort 
 JS> and delete the IBM/MS SORT.  He could use SED to go though all his 
 JS> scripts to change sort /r's or /+n's to -r's and +n's...

 JDBP> ... or if he cannot do that, and *requires* command-line
 JDBP> compatibility, there's always the OS2CLU SORT, which is
 JDBP> command-line compatible with the IBM SORT, 32-bit instead of
 JDBP> 16-bit, capable of handling files up to the limit of
 JDBP> available virtual memory rather than up to a mere 64KiB, and
 JDBP> faster than the IBM SORT as well.

Yes, OS2CLU is a very nice package Johnathan, you do nice work.  I'm a little
behind in my mail (got about 100 messages in OS2CLU in a few days?)  I know
you are about ready to release the OS2CLU02 soon, make sure you mention it's
release here.  
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From: Andy Roberts                                      05-Sep-99 00:24:06
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    05-Sep-99 16:29:09
Subj: File Managers

 Eddy Thilleman,

02-Sep-99 23:15:35, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Andy Roberts
 ET> 01 Sep 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to paul marwick:
          Subject: File Managers

AR>> --- Excerpt FC.INI ---
AR>> *.htm: netscape /!
AR>> *.wav: wepm

 ET> Don't you have MP3 files and Warpamp?? :)

No, not yet. ;-)

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: LEE ARONER                                        05-Sep-99 07:21:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: Devcon

LA> RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
LA>   > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
LA>   > Server for e-Business.
LA> 
LA> 
LA>    Yeah, and it costs a pile too.
LA> 
LA>    I'm just looking for reference material - API's, driver examples 
LA>    and suchlike...a copy of DevCon would be nice to have at 2am when 
LA>    I get stuck for ideas and it's gotta be done tomorrow...

WH> Lee, there's a version of the SDP for non-commercial developers that's
  > a lot easier to qualify for and I think it gets you web access to the
  > whole DEVCON selection - at least thru the member level, but I think it
  > may give full access.  

WH> I can empathize with the 2AM bit - when I needed the UDB 5 SDK for
  > both NT and OS/2 at about that time.  That covered the cost of the
  > whole program (discounted) at one pass!


   Will, I'm probably being penny wise and pound foolish, I realize, 
   but my interest in programming for OS/2 has been mostly, as you 
   surmised, from the non-professional standpoint. Also, since I 
   loath 'C' (Pascal stalwart), the idea of paying that cash out 
   mostly for 'C' compilers and code samples kinda grates. Now that 
   I'm starting a new job, for Global Services, maybe I'll rethink 
   that and take the splurge anyway.

   BTW, remember that question about the Network Applications 
   folder? Turns out that the folder will ONLY appear if you are 
   doing a scripted "domain" logon (with verification)...These 
   machines were setup to do a simple /userid /password logon. When 
   I added the /D:<domain> param, the folder appeared as speced.

                                               LRA


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From: LEE ARONER                                        05-Sep-99 08:27:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     05-Sep-99 20:21:26
Subj: Family Mode API

   Murry, That's precisely the info I was looking for. Thanks!

   I know I've seen the Letwin book around, the other two I'll have 
   to search for.

   <later...> Hmmm, the most interesting of the 3, the last one, is 
   outta print, as is the Letwin book. And the IBM reference is 
   nowhere to be found, according to FatBrain...<sigh>.


LA>   I'm still searching for a coherent explaination/layout of the 
   >   Family Mode(?) API.

ML>     Programs written using only the Family API functions could be
  > induced to run both in real mode under DOS and in 16-bit protected mode
  > under OS/2.  The best source of information on FAPI functions is the
  > OS/2 1.3 version of the "Control Program Programming Reference."

ML>     There is a fairly good discussion of the underlying design and usage
  > of the Family API in Gordon Letwin's book "Inside OS/2" [ISBN
  > 1-556615-117-9], Microsoft Press, 1988, pp 251-256.  (Letwin was the
  > Microsoft "Chief Architect" for systems software during the joint
  > development program.)  The FAPI Library (contained in "bound" EXE files
  > that could run under either system) includes DOS (INT 21h) analogs of
  > the equivalent OS/2 FAPI calls.  When running the program in real mode
  > under DOS, these "library" functions are called; when running in
  > protected mode under OS/2, the calls are to the equivalent 16-bit OS/2
  > API function DLLs.  The "decision" as to which set to enable is
  > established by the program loader.  As I understand it, there is no way
  > to switch operating modes during execution of the program.

   Yes, this is the way I understood it. What I am looking to do is 
   to port this to pascal so I could do the same directly from my 
   favorite compiler...


ML>     According to the book "Converting Applications to OS/2" by
  > Moskowitz, Evans, and Bergman [ISBN 0-13-171943-2], Brady Books (Simon &
  > Shuster), 1989: "There isn't really anything magical about the FAPI
  > library.  It represents the OS/2 [v 1.x] functions that Microsoft and
  > IBM thought would be most needed and/or used if people wanted to create
  > dual-mode applications."  This book presents methods for creating your
  > own "FAPI" library of dual-use 16-bit functions (pp 205-211), as well
  > procedures for porting C programs from DOS to "native" 16-bit OS/2.


   Thanks again Murray, exactly what I was looking for...

                                       LRA

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From: paul marwick                                      05-Sep-99 10:15:03
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Sep-99 00:15:18
Subj: File Managers

Hi Roy

Replying to a message of Roy J. Tellason to paul marwick:

 pm>> If I knew completely, I might be able to avoid future 
 pm>> incidents... InspectA always did get upset at some things found 
 pm>> in FILES.BBS. 

 RJT> What things?  I don't recall any odd behavior of that sort here, 
 RJT> though I tend to use the dos version *way* more than the OS/2
 RJT> version.

A number of ASCII characters have been known to cause InpsectA problems. None
of them should be in a FILES.BBS entry, but some of the entries that arrive
here (especially in the games related areas) certainly do contain them.

 RJT> And this was under OS/2?  Did a chkdsk find any bits of the old file
 RJT> around?

:-) I only run under OS/2... And no, CHKDSK found nothing - it was not a
general system problem, just InspectA.

 pm>> David did fix the problem - the final beta that I have is much 
 pm>> better when it comes to large directories. Unfortunately, its 
 pm>> dangerous in other areas...

 RJT> Hm.  I did't know that there were other versions out there.

There problably aren't - I was betateting a new version when he pulled the
plug on it.

 pm>> Other bugs that affect my usage of InspectA - attempting to 
 pm>> examine a number of self-extracting archives causes InspectA to 
 pm>> abend, 

 RJT> I've never had a problem like that.

Hmm. It shouldn't be hard to find. As one example, the Netscape 2.02 archive
from June 1997 (straight from IBM): os2en202.exe (4768313 16-08-97)

If you place the cusor over this, press return, InspectA will abend instantly. 
with a trap D:

09-04-1999  11:25:34  SYS3175  PID 0669  TID 0001  Slot 0065
C:\USER\UTL\ISB\INSPECTP.EXE
c0000005
0003561f
P1=00000000  P2=ffffffff  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=0000d07a  EBX=00009ab0  ECX=fe0741e1  EDX=17712087
ESI=0000fc2c  EDI=0000fffe
DS=003f  DSACC=00f3  DSLIM=0000fffd
ES=003f  ESACC=00f3  ESLIM=0000fffd
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=001f:0000561f  CSACC=00fb  CSLIM=0000aab7
SS:ESP=003f:0000cc60  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=0000fffd
EBP=0000cc66  FLG=00012a17

INSPECTP.EXE 0003:0000561f

It will do this under any version of OS/2, and on a number of other
self-extracting archive files. The POPUPLOS.OS@ enty above is from the beta,
not from the release InspectA, but the results are identical for either.

 pm>> using Insert to edit an existing FILES.BBS entry causes a 
 pm>> second entry to be generated rather than just editing the 
 pm>> existing entry, 

 RJT> Nor that one.

Its dead easy to reproduce. Find a file with a FILES.BBS listing. Use the
insert key to open an edit window for the entry. Edit the entry. Then go look
at the files.BBS "raw" - you'll see that you have two entries for that file.

 RJT> I hit that one early on with the OS/2 version,  the first time I'd
 RJT> dealt with a partition that was all that big.  Under the dos/dv
 RJT> setup in this box I keep 'em small to avoid the cluster size issue
 RJT> to the extent possible.  It's a real irritation when it won't move
 RJT> or copy files because it insissts that there isn't enough room...

Should have been fixed ages ago (problem was known before David stopped
development). Stil, its not the only filemanager with that problem.

 pm>> a number of characters in FILES.BBS will upset the InspectA 
 pm>> display, leaving spurious characters on unused parts of the 
 pm>> screen,

 RJT> I never had a problem with that,  but then mine are pretty
 RJT> plain-vanilla for the most part anyhow.  It may be a good thing that
 RJT> I don't just automatically use a FILE_ID.DIZ imported into FILES.BBS
 RJT> automatically like some folks do. What characters does it have a
 RJT> problem with?

A number of High ASCII characters. I normally use only standard characters,
but too many of the files distributed through the various distribution
netowrks have the full contents of FILE_ID.DIZ dumped into them as a
description,m and those are not only often way too long, they also often
contain non-printable characters.

 pm>> it doesn't understand newer archive types (such as RAR 
 pm>> archives), 

 RJT> The inability to extend the archive list has also been a source of
 RJT> irritation to me.  And there are a few in there that I have never
 RJT> heard of or run into. But I haven't spent much time in the config
 RJT> utility trying to rearrange that stuff...

It cannot be "rearanged" - since InspectA does not understand RAR (and a
couple of other new formats), it is not able to do anything with them. All
that can be done is to create a file association and call RAR when it hits a
file with a .RAR extention. Not very satisfactory at all.

 pm>> truncating long descriptions when copying files, etc.

 RJT> How long?  I have *something* in my setup (probably DLC,  my download
 RJT> counter utility) that truncates descriptions at 256 characters, 
 RJT> which is a real irritation at times.  I suspect that program because
 RJT> it's only files that have been downloaded that get that treatment...

 RJT> Maximus has,  if I'm remembering right,  a 1024-character limit in
 RJT> this,  so I'm not used to using *real* long descriptions.  Qedit
 RJT> can't seem to do more than 512 characters,  at least not the older
 RJT> version I'm using here,  anyhow.

InspectA will sometimes (and its not even consistent, unfortunately) truncate
descriptions at 512 characters. Which mucks things up royally...

 RJT> I was aware of the availability of that key,  but already had one
 RJT> <g>.  Do you think that there is no possibility of source becoming
 RJT> available?

I would suspect none at all. Apart from the amount of bitterness that David
seemed to feel over the whole subject (which I suspect was less than fully
justified anyway), InspectA uses a number of custom libraries that David wrote 
himself. So source would have to include the libraries, and I suspect that
there is little or no chance that he would release them.

 RJT> I'm giving some serious thought to looking over the source code to
 RJT> midnight commander,  and seeing what I can do to it to make it more
 RJT> to my liking.  These people who write this annoyware stuff can all
 RJT> try and sell to each other or something (the term circle jerk comes
 RJT> to mind for some reason) and I'll go play elsewhere...

:-) If you have the skills, that might be the best option...

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      05-Sep-99 10:18:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        06-Sep-99 00:15:18
Subj: File Managers

Hi Jack

Replying to a message of Jack Stein to Paul Marwick:

 JS> OS/2 Commander doesn't seem to have a problem with long filenames
 JS> here, or FILES.BBS entries?  What kind of problems, maybe I'm missing
 JS> something. He will display file descriptions in the other window from
 JS> a FILES.BBS _or_ a 4OS2 description file, they both work here as
 JS> described?

Try this... echo something > this_is_a_long_name. Then put the OS/2 Commander
cursor over the new file name and press CTRL-F10. This is the result...

SYS1041: The name specified is not recognized as an
internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

Error 05 occurred in module OS2COVL3 at address 0027:0F73

Hit any key to return to system

It will do the same if you try and copy a file with a long name and a
FILES.BBS entry, or if you try and move the same file.

It will handle _some_ long names, but only if they are no more than 13
characters in total. Any more than that puts the firt character in the
description into the same area as the filename characters and the error above
is the result.

 PM>> failure to read most self-extracting archives, 

 JS> Which file manager handles more self-extracting archives?  Most file
 JS> managers don't handle them at all, in fact most don't handle regular
 JS> archives let alone self-extracting ones.

In this day and age, I would reject _any_ file manager which doesn't handle
archived files. As to which handle self-extracting archives, FC/2 does a good
job, and InspectA does a reasonable job (apart from the fact that a number of
self-extractors will cause InspectA to fail). OS/2 Commander claims to be able 
to read sel-extractors (pressing CTRL-A is suppoed to do it), but I've so far
found only one out of dozens that I've tried that it can read. All of them
could be read by FC/2.

 PM>> odd behaviour after viewing files within archives,

 JS> I've noticed no problems here after viewing files within archives at
 JS> all?  I did notice a problem with his built in editor, in that if
 JS> doing a search for a string, after the first hit, and edit, the
 JS> second hit doesn't let you edit correctly.  The only other bug I've
 JS> noticed is when using hot keys to change directories, or the wcd
 JS> program he developed, you may have to move up or down a directory
 JS> before OS2C will work on highlighted files, somehow the new directory
 JS> is not fully registered, although it shows the files correctly.  

This one is not easy to reproduce, because it only happens sometimes, and I
don't know what triggers it. However, on a number of ocasions, after viewing a 
file within an archive (probably mainly text files), when you attempt to exit
from the archive by going to the top of the archive and pressing return, OS/2
Commander will attempt to execute one of the programes within the archive.
Sometimes with disasterous results. Trouble is, it only does it sometimes, and 
I have not found any way of triggering the problem reliably (:-)). When this
happens, the only way to exit from the archive is to use the left-arrow key.

 JS> I've been using OS2C for years, and thats about the only two "bugs"
 JS> I've noticed, both are very minor.  I generally don't use his editor
 JS> anyway, and he doesn't really expect you to use his, he allows 2
 JS> other external editors plus his assigned to hot keys, so that one is
 JS> a non-problem.  

Well, I've only been using OS/2 Commander for a matter of a month of so, but
the problems I encountered are sufficient to ensure that I would not pay for
it, not unless it was still under development and there was some procpect of
the problems being fixed.

 JS> Yes, I don't know what happened to Wolfgang, but I do know if I only
 JS> used software where I could contact the author, I wouldn't use much
 JS> stuff.  

That may be true (I have far too much software that I have paid for and is now 
abandoned), but I would not consider paying for what is effectively "new"
software which has already been abandoned. Its not just the money involved in
registration, its the time and effort invovled in learning to use the program
effectively, and the time wasted finding alternatives.

 JS> He was at one time very supportive and responsive, and posted
 JS> in this echo.  He has always been an extremly pro OS/2 man, one of us
 JS> actually.  He seems to have gone from the scene, but I'd bet money he
 JS> is not in Windows land.  He's either sick, dead, busy, lost interest
 JS> or went to Unix since IBM has been doing it's best to kill OS/2 since
 JS> 95.  That is the only reason I'd consider FC/2 over OS2C.  There have
 JS> been several FC/2 releases since I last looked at it though, it may
 JS> have caught up to Commander by now.

Well, for the things I need, FC/2 still has a little way to go. It does not
have the FILES.BBS handling features, which I really do need. For the rest, it 
is solid and has fewer bugs. So I've gone with it, hoping I can talk the
author into adding a few features that I need. Even it I have to pay an extra
fee to have them added...

 JS> I've looked at most of the ones you mentioned, and all were horrible
 JS> compared to OS2C and FC/2.  MC wasn't anything like OS2C when I
 JS> looked at it.  I probably would go with FC/2 simply because it is
 JS> very close to OS2C in features and is still actively being developed.  

The fact that a progrma is still under active development is rapidly becoming
the most important consderation, unfortunately. I have become tired of spening 
money on software only to find that it is abandoned a little while later. A
bit like OS/2 itslef, I guess...

regards, paul

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From: David Noon                                        04-Sep-99 20:21:02
  To: Lee Aroner                                        06-Sep-99 06:39:15
Subj: Rodent

In a message dated 08-30-99, Lee Aroner said to David Noon about "Rodent"

Hi Lee,

LA>   Ralf's list is pretty incomplete as far as OS/2 goes...

DN> Since his list is titled "DOS Interrupts" that is to be expected.

LA>   My reference was to OS/2 calls *from*a* DOS app, which is why I 
LA>   say it's incomplete.

Which is why I completed the task.

LA>   I'm still searching for a coherent explaination/layout of the 
LA>   Family Mode(?) API.

A whole other animal. Ask in OS2PROG, as there are a few old-timers left who
can remember all that 16-bit stuff. You will need OS/2 DTK 1.3 in order to
use FAPI.

[Note, there is no "family mode", just "DOS mode" and "OS/2 mode". The
"Family API" is the subset of the OS/2 API that has "DOS bindings"
available.]

LA>   There are some semaphore calls available, IIRC, which could 
LA>   possibly be used for critical section purposes or suchlike.

DN> These are only useful across address spaces. They cannot be used within 
  > VDM address space to serialize concurrent units of work, as a VDM cannot
  > have concurrent units of work. You could use them for concurrent VDM
  > sessions, I suppose.


LA>   They could  be used within a single VDM's address space, but that 
LA>   would only duplicate what the application could do for itself, 
LA>   so...

I reiterate that these are only useful when you have multiple address spaces
active. A single VDM can do nothing productive with them all by itself.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     05-Sep-99 22:30:01
  To: Lee Aroner                                        05-Sep-99 22:30:01
Subj: Family Mode API

(Excerpts from a message dated 09-05-99, Lee Aroner to Murray Lesser)

Hi Lee--

LA>   I know I've seen the Letwin book around, the other two I'll have 
  >   to search for.

LA>   <later...> Hmmm, the most interesting of the 3, the last one, is 
  >   outta print, as is the Letwin book. And the IBM reference is 
  >   nowhere to be found, according to FatBrain...<sigh>.

    If you are really desperate, you can try amazon.com and let them
look for the two out-of-print books from commercial publishers.  You
might be horribly surprised when you find out how much they will charge
you for them if found, but they will look for them.  (I once found an
out-of-print book on Indian (from India) dance techniques, through
amazon.com.)  You get a chance to refuse the offer if they find it and
you decide it isn't worth it.

    The IBM reference cam be found as an .INF file on early DevCon
CDROMS.  You might try an e-mail request to devcon@us.ibm.com, or try a
search in the "guest" section of the DevCon Web site.  You might also
try IBM publications (1-800-879-2795 in the US).  It is highly unlikely
that any of the commercial Web sites have even heard of it, since
"normal" booksellers never carried early IBM manuals.

    The only reason to play with the 16-bit OS/2 Family API functions is
to write dual-mode programs that will run under both DOS and OS/2 (and
under Win3x), which must be linked with BIND.EXE.  I have grave doubts
that you can play the "bound" EXE game from any version of Pascal.  The
necessary linker (BIND.EXE) was distributed only (AFAIK) with MS MASM
5.0, MS C 5.0, and OS/2 1.x.  You would also need a Pascal compiler that
will run under (and produce object code for) the 16-bit versions of
OS/2.  However, I have been wrong before, so you might keep trying :-)

    Good luck,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Steven Thompson                                   04-Sep-99 19:22:21
  To: Ruth Argust                                       06-Sep-99 08:26:24
Subj: Video card

Hello Ruth.

03 Sep 99 23:48, you wrote to me:

 ST>> Sadder still, the drivers on the Internet were older than the
 ST>> ones prepacked on the CD.

 RA> Those were the ones that probably worked though :)

Nope.  They didn't support my card (which is a later revision and thus not
supported by the older driver).

Steve.

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From: Don Guy                                           05-Sep-99 15:56:12
  To: Bat Lang                                          06-Sep-99 08:26:24
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Greetings Bat!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Bat Lang
to Don Guy was intercepted...

 DG>> This is a refresh which is more recent than the 99/08/11 release I
 DG>> take it?

 BL> 4477405  08/12/99  14:08:58  ---A   NETSCAPE EXE

That's the same timestamp as the one I have, which was labeled on the web site 
as the 99/08/11 refresh...

-Don



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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 22:32:21
  To: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  06-Sep-99 08:26:24
Subj: File Managers

``Glen Carlzen``  wrote in a message to paul marwick:

>and FILES.BBS entries, failure to read most self-extracting archives, 

 `C>      Again I use OSC-124 for managing my files area on the bbs 
 `C> system.  Reading or archiving files.bbs files haven't been an 
 `C> issue here.  It works for me.

Just curious,  does it deals with recursion?  Archives within archives?

Does it have a specific set of archive types that it deals with,  and can you
add to that list?

 `C>      Failure to read "Self-Extracting Archives", if you mean 
 `C> that it runs the files, then I disagree with you.  But to VIEW 
 `C> (F3) an *.exe file works fine or as it should.  If you mean 
 `C> placing the curser on the file and hitting <enter> key I 
 `C> wouldn't call that a BUG.  I would call that "Running the 
 `C> program" as it should.  IF you do the same on any other OS it 
 `C> would be expected to do the same thing.

I call that a pain in the butt!  I am used to the _default_ action when you
hit <enter> (using InspectA) being that you want to _view_ the file,  you have 
to tell it specifically when you want to execute something,  with the F10 key. 
I don't often want to run something from this kind of program,  anyhow.  Yet I 
have that exact behavior to deal with on the Linux box and mc.  Although at
least there I can change it if I wanted to.

>odd behaviour after viewing files within archives, etc..).

 `C>      Odd Behavior after viewing files in an archive.  I have 
 `C> had this one a few times, but later found out that I didn't 
 `C> have my archiver setup properly on my system (info-zip in 
 `C> config.sys path statement - oversight by me).  Once I fixed 
 `C> that problem I haven't had any problems.  I have gone as far as 
 `C> reading 3 archives deep within a zip file with no real 
 `C> problems.  Works for me.

What did you have to do to fix the problem?  I may want to look into using
this program on the OS/2 box,  since InspectA won't deal well with 2GB+ of
free space (and that's the major problem I have with it).

>Having got no replies at all from the author, I wasn't prepared to register
>it

 `C>      I registered it because it DOES MORE than I would ask for. 
 `C>  Untel I tryed OSC-124 I us Norton Commander v4.0 & v5.0 on my 
 `C> OS/2 systems.  I have always used Norton Commander.  OS/2 
 `C> Commander has replaced then as the MOST used program on all of 
 `C> my OS/2 systems.

And would it be fair to say that the bit above about hitting <enter> to
execute comes from that program?  That it's likely to be the case with all of
these "* commander" clones?

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Sep-99 22:38:04
  To: paul marwick                                      06-Sep-99 08:26:24
Subj: File Managers

paul marwick wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 pm>> If I knew completely, I might be able to avoid future 
 pm>> incidents... InspectA always did get upset at some things found 
 pm>> in FILES.BBS. 

 RJT> What things?  I don't recall any odd behavior of that sort here, 
 RJT> though I tend to use the dos version *way* more than the OS/2
 RJT> version.

 pm> A number of ASCII characters have been known to cause InpsectA 
 pm> problems. None of them should be in a FILES.BBS entry, but some 
 pm> of the entries that arrive here (especially in the games 
 pm> related areas) certainly do contain them.

That's really odd, I thought that it was a much better written program than
that...  And that behavior is a violation of something I read a while back,
written by P. J. Plauger,  to the effect that "no program should leave its
sanity at the mercy of its input"!

 RJT> And this was under OS/2?  Did a chkdsk find any bits of the old file
 RJT> around?

 pm> :-) I only run under OS/2... And no, CHKDSK found nothing - it 
 pm> was not a general system problem, just InspectA.

The info just disappeared?  Odd...

 pm>> David did fix the problem - the final beta that I have is much 
 pm>> better when it comes to large directories. Unfortunately, its 
 pm>> dangerous in other areas...

 RJT> Hm.  I did't know that there were other versions out there.

 pm> There problably aren't - I was betateting a new version when he 
 pm> pulled the plug on it.

What a shame,  really,  as I like the program a lot.

 pm>> Other bugs that affect my usage of InspectA - attempting to 
 pm>> examine a number of self-extracting archives causes InspectA to 
 pm>> abend, 

 RJT> I've never had a problem like that.

 pm> Hmm. It shouldn't be hard to find. As one example, the Netscape 
 pm> 2.02 archive from June 1997 (straight from IBM): os2en202.exe 
 pm> (4768313 16-08-97) 

 pm> If you place the cusor over this, press return, InspectA
 pm> will abend instantly. with a trap D:

 pm> 09-04-1999  11:25:34  SYS3175  PID 0669  TID 0001  Slot 0065
 pm> C:\USER\UTL\ISB\INSPECTP.EXE
 pm> c0000005
 pm> 0003561f
 pm> P1=00000000  P2=ffffffff  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
 pm> EAX=0000d07a  EBX=00009ab0  ECX=fe0741e1  EDX=17712087
 pm> ESI=0000fc2c  EDI=0000fffe
 pm> DS=003f  DSACC=00f3  DSLIM=0000fffd
 pm> ES=003f  ESACC=00f3  ESLIM=0000fffd
 pm> FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
 pm> GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
 pm> CS:EIP=001f:0000561f  CSACC=00fb  CSLIM=0000aab7
 pm> SS:ESP=003f:0000cc60  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=0000fffd
 pm> EBP=0000cc66  FLG=00012a17

 pm> INSPECTP.EXE 0003:0000561f

 pm> It will do this under any version of OS/2, and on a number of 
 pm> other self-extracting archive files. The POPUPLOS.OS@ enty 
 pm> above is from the beta, not from the release InspectA, but the 
 pm> results are identical for either.

Ok,  let me see what I have on the OS/2 box that I can try this on...

I don't have that,  but there's a nets202.exe that's 3,813,751 bytes.  When I
hit <enter> on that it comes back with "empty archive".   There's a
NETSCAPE.EXE that's 2,611,447 that dumped me into LIST rather than showing
archive contents (if that _is_ an archive,  it may just be the executable out
of the other one). Hm,  in netscape\download I have a number of files that are 
up over a meg,  and none of them do it (though I do get an error when I try to 
look at the *.dsk files).  Tried it on a whole bunch of stuff here just now
and except for that one "empty archive" message didn't have any behavior such
as you describe.

 pm>> using Insert to edit an existing FILES.BBS entry causes a 
 pm>> second entry to be generated rather than just editing the 
 pm>> existing entry, 

 RJT> Nor that one.

 pm> Its dead easy to reproduce. Find a file with a FILES.BBS 
 pm> listing. Use the insert key to open an edit window for the 
 pm> entry. Edit the entry. Then go look at the files.BBS "raw" -
 pm> you'll see that you have two entries for that file.

Never happened for me.

 RJT> I hit that one early on with the OS/2 version,  the first time I'd
 RJT> dealt with a partition that was all that big.  Under the dos/dv
 RJT> setup in this box I keep 'em small to avoid the cluster size issue
 RJT> to the extent possible.  It's a real irritation when it won't move
 RJT> or copy files because it insissts that there isn't enough room...

 pm> Should have been fixed ages ago (problem was known before David 
 pm> stopped development). Stil, its not the only filemanager with 
 pm> that problem.

Yeah,  well,  it's going to be a deciding factor for me if I've got to pick
out and learn a new product here...

 pm>> a number of characters in FILES.BBS will upset the InspectA 
 pm>> display, leaving spurious characters on unused parts of the 
 pm>> screen,

 RJT> I never had a problem with that,  but then mine are pretty 
 RJT> plain-vanilla for the most part anyhow.  It may be a good thing 
 RJT> that I don't just automatically use a FILE_ID.DIZ imported into 
 RJT> FILES.BBS automatically like some folks do. What characters 
 RJT> does it have a problem with?

 pm> A number of High ASCII characters. I normally use only standard 
 pm> characters, but too many of the files distributed through the 
 pm> various distribution netowrks have the full contents of 
 pm> FILE_ID.DIZ dumped into them as a description,m and those are 
 pm> not only often way too long, they also often contain 
 pm> non-printable characters.

That's one of the reasons I don't let the system import that stuff into
files.bbs on its own,  even though it's more work for me.  There are a number
of others.  Mostly relating to content...  <g>

 pm>> it doesn't understand newer archive types (such as RAR 
 pm>> archives), 

 RJT> The inability to extend the archive list has also been a source 
 RJT> of irritation to me.  And there are a few in there that I have 
 RJT> never heard of or run into. But I haven't spent much time in 
 RJT> the config utility trying to rearrange that stuff...

 pm> It cannot be "rearanged" - since InspectA does not understand 
 pm> RAR (and a couple of other new formats), it is not able to do 
 pm> anything with them. All that can be done is to create a file 
 pm> association and call RAR when it hits a file with a .RAR 
 pm> extention. Not very satisfactory at all.

Yeah,  that's about what I've done on the dos box here.  And I'll probably end 
up writing a short batch file to convert those anyway,  so as to make stuff
more accessible to people...

 pm>> truncating long descriptions when copying files, etc.

 RJT> How long?  I have *something* in my setup (probably DLC,  my download
 RJT> counter utility) that truncates descriptions at 256 characters, 
 RJT> which is a real irritation at times.  I suspect that program because
 RJT> it's only files that have been downloaded that get that treatment...

 RJT> Maximus has,  if I'm remembering right,  a 1024-character limit in
 RJT> this,  so I'm not used to using *real* long descriptions.  Qedit
 RJT> can't seem to do more than 512 characters,  at least not the older
 RJT> version I'm using here,  anyhow.

 pm> InspectA will sometimes (and its not even consistent, 
 pm> unfortunately) truncate descriptions at 512 characters. Which 
 pm> mucks things up royally...

Since my editor won't go beyond that point I hadn't noticed.

 RJT> I was aware of the availability of that key,  but already had one
 RJT> <g>.  Do you think that there is no possibility of source becoming
 RJT> available?

 pm> I would suspect none at all. Apart from the amount of 
 pm> bitterness that David seemed to feel over the whole subject 
 pm> (which I suspect was less than fully justified anyway), 
 pm> InspectA uses a number of custom libraries that David wrote 
 pm> himself. So source would have to include the libraries, and I 
 pm> suspect that there is little or no chance that he would release 
 pm> them.

Ah.

 RJT> I'm giving some serious thought to looking over the source code to
 RJT> midnight commander,  and seeing what I can do to it to make it more
 RJT> to my liking.  These people who write this annoyware stuff can all
 RJT> try and sell to each other or something (the term circle jerk comes
 RJT> to mind for some reason) and I'll go play elsewhere...

 pm> :-) If you have the skills, that might be the best option...

I used to hang out in C_ECHO,  ages ago.  Enough that I got invited to
moderate it twice (and turned it down twice :-).  It's been ages,  and I have
to get a handle on GNU,  the Unix Way Of Doing Things,  and assorted other
stuff,  but at least at this point I can look at some code and understand what 
I'm looking at to some extent.  I may just end up getting back into it,  I
don't know...

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From: Scott Jones                                       05-Sep-99 20:43:20
  To: Ian Moote                                         06-Sep-99 09:08:09
Subj: Re: Netscape E-Mail alert.

-=> Ian Moote wrote to ALL <=-

 IM> In Netscape, my audio alert for incoming E-Mail doesn't work. I've got
 IM> it enabled in the preferences and have mucked around with a couple of
 IM> system settings but it just won't work. I've checked the online help
 IM> but found nothing but a reference to the Preferences setting. I found
 IM> nothing in the readme's in the Netscape directories, either.

 IM> Does anyone else have this feature of Netscape working? Any ideas on
 IM> how I can get it working?

Add this to your prefs.js file in \(NS dir)\Users\(profile directory):

user_pref("os2.mail.sound", "E:\\MMOS2\\SOUNDS\\APPLAUSE.WAV");

Note the double slashes.  You can, of course, use a .wav of your
choosing.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  06-Sep-99 11:06:23
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     06-Sep-99 13:20:03
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Russell!

02 Sep 99 17:26, Russell Tiedt wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 RT>> I get the following error on running  "fpinst WARP3" CSF0257: No
 RT>> product has been selected.
 CV>>     Use latest kicker package. For example 1.39 or newer.
 RT> What I was using was CSF140.exe, and the fixpack images where unpacked
 RT> to C:\XRUW038\FIX\.
 RT> Disk images are in C:\XRUW038\, maybe I should copy them to C:\FIX\, I
 RT> don't know. Also I don't have the time right now to play with it
 RT> further.
    Grrrr... If you _really_ want to set up fixpack from HDD do the next:
    1) unpack _any_ faskick in temp catalog
    2) unpack all fixpack images in same place
    3) unpack latest CSF in _same_ place
    run fix.cmd
    enjoy.
    Another way. Read manuals from CSF. Some cool hints are described in.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Jack Stein                                        05-Sep-99 10:18:01
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         06-Sep-99 14:43:29
Subj: Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to All:

 JDBP>                               Announcing the

 JDBP>                  
 JDBP>                  OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0
 JDBP>                  

Congrats!

Unbelievably prolific work Jonathan.  I could not try out your work as fast as 
you were producing it.  The OS2 community owes you a BIG one for this, I
figure it is a must have package for anyone using OS2 other than "gamers"
which should include about everyone.  I assume the filename everyone should be 
looking for is OS2CLU02.ZIP?

JDBP> Another way to contact him is via the Internet mailbox
JDBP> <J.deBoynePollard@tesco.net>.  Since this is a mailbox hosted by one of
JDBP> the U.K.'s "free ISPs", and subject to the standard "use every 90 days
or
JDBP> it will be deleted" conditions that such ISPs impose, this latter
address
JDBP> is not guaranteed to be reliable, or even valid, in years to 
JDBP> come however.

Does this mean you don't go there often?  I've wanted a means to contact you
via the internet for a good while, considering you are a very long distant
call via netmail, and I don't (at the moment) do routed netmail.  

                                              Jack 
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From: Steven Thompson                                   05-Sep-99 23:43:10
  To: Glen Carlzen                                      06-Sep-99 14:43:29
Subj: Java OS/2

Hello Glen.

02 Sep 99 04:20, ``Glen Carlzen`` wrote to me:

 >> I was under the impression that it was a full release.  At least, the
 >> copy I have is.  :) Steve.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 GC>      Not sure where you went for the JAVA v1.1.8, but I'm downloading
 GC> it now. The full version for OS/2 is apx: 20,318K in size.  File Name:
 GC> javainuf.exe

Are you correcting me, or just proving my point?  I ask because I SAID that
JDK 1.1.8 was a full release.  If you had read my message, you would KNOW that 
I already have it (see underlined portion) and that if I were to have it, I
should probably know the file name.  Then again, maybe I'm being presumptious.

Steve.

P.S. Lose the ``'s in your name, dimwit.

... I have a low tolerance for stupidity.
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From: Bat Lang                                          06-Sep-99 01:21:17
  To: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  06-Sep-99 16:15:12
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting ``Glen Carlzen`` to paul marwick, [02 Sep 99  05:01:57] <=-

 `C> Failure to read "Self-Extracting Archives", if you mean that it
 `C> runs the files, then I disagree with you.  But to VIEW (F3) an *.exe
 `C> file works fine or as it should.  If you mean placing the curser on the
 `C> file and hitting <enter> key I wouldn't call that a BUG.  I would call
 `C> that "Running the program" as it should.  IF you do the same on any
 `C> other OS it would be expected to do the same thing.

No, that's not what Paul means. F3 is a viewer for (largely) text files,
tho it will also view binary files with some small sense gleaned. What
Paul means is the special function invoked by ^A for viewing the
directory of the files within selfex files (self extracting archives).
If you point to a selfex and hit ^A you are supposed to see the same
thing that you do for (for example) a *.ZIP with the <Enter> key. The
problem with the ^A function is that in about 90% of the selfex files
that I have tried, I get a 'Oops, that is not an archive I recognize' or
some such msg. Since most of the archives that we have been getting from
IBM, as in the Comm/2 4.61, Java 1.1.8, et al; have all been coming down
the pike as selfex's, it would be handy to peek inside with ^A and
extract the README file. But ^A fails on every damn one of those files.
The only ones it ever seems to work on are those for which I do not need
the README. }^:
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          06-Sep-99 01:42:09
  To: paul marwick                                      06-Sep-99 16:15:12
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting paul marwick to Jack Stein, [05 Sep 99  10:18:02] <=-

 PM>> odd behaviour after viewing files within archives,

 pm> This one is not easy to reproduce, because it only happens sometimes,
 pm> and I don't know what triggers it. However, on a number of ocasions,
 pm> after viewing a file within an archive (probably mainly text files),
 pm> when you attempt to exit from the archive by going to the top of the
 pm> archive and pressing return, OS/2 Commander will attempt to execute
 pm> one of the programes within the archive. Sometimes with disasterous
 pm> results. Trouble is, it only does it sometimes, and I have not found
 pm> any way of triggering the problem reliably (:-)). When this happens,
 pm> the only way to exit from the archive is to use the left-arrow key.

Try this, Paul, When you want to exit the archive, hit the <Left> arrow
key. You need to hit <Enter> to get into the archive (not a selfex), but
once inside, <Left> will take you back to the parent of the archive (so
long as you don't have any stray char's in the bottom command line)
which one normally does not. So long as that command line is clean, the
<Left> and <Right> keys will take you to the parent or child of the
current dir. At least mine is config'd to do this, and it is a handy
alternative for moving up/down the tree. Particularly up the tree, where
you can be 5 or 6 levels down and just 'lean on' the <Left> key and you
are back at the root. {^;
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  06-Sep-99 08:57:00
  To: Will Honea                                        06-Sep-99 18:39:21
Subj: Re: Compaq + OS2

*** Quoting Will Honea to Rich Wonneberger dated 09-05-99 ***
> On the Despro I had to remove the sniffer for a couple of CDROMS, all
> the older Sony devices as I recall.  The built in sound card also gave
> me grief.  Once I did that it seemed to go OK.  Oh, and if you use a
> SCSI hard drive (built in Adaptec ctlr) and an IDE CDROM which seems to
> have been the common setup, be sure you specify 'other IDE CDROM' in

The Deskpro 6000 had the 2940 in it..  The Deskpro XL had something else, but
I dont remember which..  Those were mostly slower boxes, which I dont think
had faster then a Pentium Pro 200 in them..  Kinda not worth doing anything
with anymore..  At lease they had a SCSI CD even if it was only 4x or 6x..

The DP 4000 & 6000 were all IDE CD's, I dont recall seeing any from Compaq
with a SCSI cd anyway..

Thanks for the pointer on the IDE CD anyway..

Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Ruth Argust                                       06-Sep-99 17:39:15
  To: Scott Jones                                       07-Sep-99 02:44:16
Subj: Video card

Scott Jones wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 SJ> Agreed, though I did find one locally who not only has heard of
 SJ> OS/2, but actually *uses and prefers* it.

Now that is almost a miracle!

 SJ> I now use him almost exclusively (of course, the fact that he 
 SJ> gives hardware discounts to other OS/2 users doesn't hurt ;)).

I wish he was in the Los Angeles area -:(

Thanks, Scott!

                               *ruth*


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From: Alan Hess                                         06-Sep-99 21:06:11
  To: all                                               07-Sep-99 02:44:16
Subj: NC/2 proxy browser

What is the proxy browser Netscape Communicator spawns, why does it spawn it,
and can I prevent it from doing so?  All it does here is peg my CPU to 100%,
then come up with an error message that it has to be closed.  *adh*

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         04-Sep-99 10:55:24
  To: LEE ARONER                                        07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: Rodent

 LA> I'm still searching for a coherent explaination/layout of the    
 LA> Family Mode(?) API.

Read the 16-bit OS/2 Control Program Guide and Reference.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         04-Sep-99 11:03:05
  To: paul marwick                                      07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: InspectA

 pm> The lack of available source code also leaves those who did 
 pm> register with a dead, unspported product...

Has anyone approached David about obtaining the source ?

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         05-Sep-99 00:42:17
  To: Louis Aubree                                      07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

 LA> Does "KiB" mean 1024 bytes?

Yes.

 LA> I wrote elsewhere, a few months ago, that we need new symbols for the
 LA> powers of 1024, because the difference with the powers of 1000
 LA> becomes more and more intolerable, and 'k' (kilo), 'M' (mega), 'G'
 LA> (giga), 'T' (tera) are really defined as powers of 1000, not powers
 LA> of 1024. But I proposed 'ik', 'iM', 'iG', 'iT' as prefixes for the
 LA> powers of 1024...
 LA>
 LA> Is there any international effort about this?

Yes!

The IEEE and the IEC came up with a proposed standard, which you can read more 
about at http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html .

The basic idea runs as follows:  The metric prefixes "kilo-", "mega-",
"giga-", "tera-" and so forth represent powers of 10.  For powers of 2 one
adds "binary", producing "kilobinary-", "megabinary-", "gigabinary-",
"terabinary-", and so forth.  These are then shortened to "kibi-", "mebi-",
"gibi-", and "tebi-", and the abbreviations for them are "Ki", "Me", "Gi", and 
"Te".

I've been trying the terms on "for size" for the past few months, and I quite
like them.  My FITSIZE utility (part of OS2CLU version 2.0) already supports
"kB"/"MB"/"GB" for powers of 10 and "KiB"/"MeB"/"GiB" for powers of 2.  

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         05-Sep-99 00:45:18
  To: Bat Lang                                          07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: File Managers

 BL> [Viewer Associations]
 BL> *.{INF,HLP}: D:\UTIL\HVPM !
 BL> *.{BGA,BMP,GIF,JPEG,JPG,PBM,PCD,PCX,PNG,TGA,VAR}: PMJ !f
 BL> *.{DOC,TXT,ASC,DIZ,ME,OS2,LST,LOG,MNU,TMP,1ST,2ND,TOO}: D:\UTIL\HV !f
 BL> *.{HTM,HTML}: D:\UTIL\HVPM !f 
 BL> *.PDF: D:\ACROBAT3\READOS2\acroread.exe !f

FC/2 supports this sort of wildcards, too ?  I'm (pleasantly) surprised.

  JdeBP 

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         05-Sep-99 00:49:16
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: 2 Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

 >>     WHAT        Finds any embedded SCCS identifying strings in files.

 RW> What are SCCS strings??

Identification strings embedded into files that are maintained by an SCCS
utility.  They begin with the characters "@(#)".  On UNIX systems, the `what'
command is supplied as part of the SCCS package.

  JdeBP 

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From: George White                                      05-Sep-99 22:03:00
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar                          07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: Announcing the OS/2 Comm

Hi Jonathan,

JDBP>                              Announcing the

JDBP>                 ---------------------------------------
JDBP>                 OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0
JDBP>                 ---------------------------------------

<snip>

JDBP>X All of the utilities that deal with dates are fully capable of handling
JDBP>  dates beyond the year 2000, beyond the year 2038 -- which is the "drop
JDBP>  dead" date for much 32-bit C and C++ code --, and right up to the year
JDBP>  2107, in fact.

JDBP>  Ironically, this ability in the TOUCH and XDIR commands has revealed
two
JDBP>  Year 2100 bugs in OS/2's own FAT and HPFS filesystem drivers!

I thought we'd found those long ago... I remember discussions of the
date range supported by REXX and the OS/2 API long ago and that dates
beyond 31/12/2099 were not handled correctly. I might even have it
archived somewhere...

George
___
 X SLMR 2.1a X Study the past, if you would divine the future.

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From: Ruth Argust                                       06-Sep-99 19:01:20
  To: Gene Tucker                                       07-Sep-99 06:05:16
Subj: Video Card

Gene Tucker wrote in a message to Ruth Argust:

 GT> I felt that the clients best interest was the way to gardner and 
 GT> keep business.

That is the way the gentleman we used to buy most everything from operated.

 GT> The sad truth is that if you ae honest you will loose in the 
 GT> market.

Yes, our friend ended up in bankruptcy and then passed away. Quite sad indeed.

                              *ruth*

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From: George Fliger                                     06-Sep-99 09:43:06
  To: Ian Moote                                         07-Sep-99 07:53:02
Subj: Re: Netscape E-Mail alert.

On 4 Sep 99 05:48pm, Ian Moote wrote to ALL:

 IM> In Netscape, my audio alert for incoming E-Mail doesn't work. 
 IM> I've got it enabled in the preferences and have mucked around 
 IM> with a couple of system settings but it just won't work. I've 
 IM> checked the online help but found nothing but a reference to 
 IM> the Preferences setting. I found nothing in the readme's in the 
 IM> Netscape directories, either. 

 IM> Does anyone else have this feature of Netscape working? Any 
 IM> ideas on how I can get it working?

 IM> TIA.

Add the following line to your prefs.js file:

  user_pref("os2.mail.sound", "c:\\os2\\apps\\dragon.wav");

Where "c:\\os2\\apps\\dragon.wav" is the complete path and name to a .wav
file you want played when mail arrives.  Note that the double backslashes
in the line are NOT a typo.  "dragon.wav" just happens to be the file I
use.  You may choose any .wav you like.

Note that the file will only be played when new mail has arrived and the
inbox is empty or no mail is unread.  If there is unread mail already in
the inbox the sound will not play when additional mail is received until
all is read.


George


... Deja Moo: The feeling you have heard this bull before.
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  06-Sep-99 21:39:00
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 10:17:25
Subj: JPG file lockup

If I double-click on JPEG files, they display. But after veiwing a
number of files, the viewer (what program is that, anyway?) hangs with
"Opening..." and the clock-face cursor. 

From this point on, attempting to view *any* JPEG just results in
another window with the same hang. 

I have to shutdown and restart to get the ability to view graphics
back. And when I do, all the open windows display the graphics just
fine. 

Any ideas as to what's wrong?


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From: Steve Proctor                                     07-Sep-99 13:10:23
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 13:10:23
Subj: Fixpack Help

Im trying to install fixpack 5 using the ftp/internet ftpinstl stuff.  All
goes real well, until it actually starts to apply the fixpack.  As soon as
this happens, I immediately get a SYS0147 - Not enough resources available
error.  I have 3+ gig free on the hd, 64meg ram, etc.  Not sure whats up here. 
Any suggestions?

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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Sep-99 08:42:09
  To: Gord Hannah                                       07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: File Managers

Gord Hannah wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 PM>> failure to read most self-extracting archives,

 JS> Which file manager handles more self-extracting archives?  Most
 JS> file managers don't handle them at all, in fact most don't
 JS> handle regular archives let alone self-extracting ones

 GH> FC/2 easy highlight the self extracting file then use the
 GH> key combination of ctrl pgdn voila the files are listed and
 GH> ready for extracting.  I use it quite often here.

OS2 Commander you highlight the self extracting file, then use the key combo
of Ctrl A and the files are listed also.  OS2C works with zips, arj and lhz
self extracting archives.  It works with most all regular archives though, and 
you can define your own in it's config file.  I personally detest
self-extracting archives, and they should be banned totally for most
everything other than distributing the compression program itself, IMO.

 GH> Not as elegant as my old DOS Stand by SHEZ but it does the
 GH> job.  I got spoiled with SHEZ so therefore all file
 GH> commanders are hard pressed to match it, I used SHEZ to the
 GH> "n"th degree on my old system,
 
I used SHEZ myself until I got OS2 Commander, which I thought was more elegant 
than SHEZ.  Much cleaner and made everything very consistant (as does FC/2 I
imagine)  Shez reminds me of LIST, in that they try to be a file manager when
the sole purpose was something else.  FC/2 and OS2C are file managers and they 
natuarally include managing files in archives as well.  Sort of the dog
wagging the tail rather than the tail wagging the dog.  
  
 GH> practically did everything with it. The only problem I had
 GH> after moving to OS/2 was that SHEZ choked and all emails to
 GH> see if he would revamp it a bit and update SHEZ author were
 GH> NOT answered, too bad for me.  INSPECTA I never could get my
 GH> mind wrapped around it.  I used to use mfm to manage my
 GH> FILES.BBS on my old system, Shez to do the rest. 

 GH> TODAY I use FC/2 and a file manager for ADEPT to do my
 GH> FILES.BBS stuff.

I use OS2 Commander for everything, it is always running on my system, and
comes up at boot up, along with CRON, my BBS and an OS/2 Window.  It does
about everything I can think of, and, when Wolfgang was active and receptive
to ideas, the only thing I could think of I wanted was to increase the command 
line to more than 80 characters, which he did, and a method to save the color
configurations, which he did.  Their are a couple of minor nats I'd like to
see fixed, but I guess that won't be happening, but I can easily live with
them.

Good to see you still around Gord.

                                              Jack 
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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Sep-99 09:19:06
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Re: Backup

following up a message from Jack Pfisterer to Andy Roberts:

 AR> I have a few directories I want a backup of that also removes old
 AR> files, such as msg-bases, that may no longer be in the dir, but were in
 AR> the previous *.Zip file.  So I start by deleting specific
 AR> subdirectories from the previous *.Zip file.  Then add anything new or
 AR> changed.  This is much faster than just Zip everything from scratch,
 AR> since Zip simply skips over all files that have not changed.  What I
 AR> get is an incremental backup in a Zip file that can be UnZip'd for a
 AR> full restore of each of those dirs.

I use RAR now for my backups, but used the same approach with PKZIP and
PKZIP/2. I put the bu of each drive in it's own directory on my H: drive as
H:\CDRIVE; H:\DDRIVE and so on. Backup files are named E_DRIVE.RAR, E_INCR.RAR 
and so on.   From CRON I run a script each night around 3 AM that looks like
this:
::**********************************************************************
::********* Full backup Sat, daily incremental E: F: G: Drives *********
::**********************************************************************
iff "%_DOW" == "Sat" then
   set Abit=-ac
   set Outfile=_DRIVE
else
   set Abit=-ao
   set Outfile=_INCR
endiff

:: *******  E: Drive  *****
cdd h:\edrive
del E%Outfile.rar
RAR a %Abit -r -o+ E%Outfile @E_nclude.lst -x@E_xclude.lst

:: *******  F: Drive  *****
cdd h:\fdrive
del F%Outfile.rar
RAR a %Abit -r -o+ F%Outfile @F_nclude.lst -x@F_xclude.lst
::*****************************

The archive bit (%Abit) is changed for a full back up on Saturdays, and a
partial on weekdays.  The include and xclude.lst files contain files and
directories I want skipped or included, so I can taylor things easily to my
needs.  My boot drives I only do a full back up on the 1st of the month, so
the script has a section that looks the same, except it tests for the day of
month instead of Sat.:

::**** Daily Incremental BU of C D Drives and Full Bu on 1st of month  ****
::****                            (boot drives)                        ****
::*************************************************************************
iff "%_DAY" == "1" then
   set Abit=-ac
   set Outfile=_DRIVE
else
   set Abit=-ao
   set Outfile=_INCR
endiff
:: *******  C: Drive  *****
cdd H:\Cdrive
del C%Outfile.rar
RAR a %Abit -r -o+ C%Outfile @C_nclude.lst -x@C_xclude.lst
*** snip ****

I use 4DOS and 4OS2 though, so the %_DAY and %_DOW values are built in to my
command processor.  This works good for me, and I can see the whole backup
file with OS2 Commander, highlight whatever files I want, and copy them for a
restore in an instant, or, if I ever needed a full restore, I would simply
unrar the full, then unrar the incremental.  No muss, no fuss.  

                                               Jack 
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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    07-Sep-99 00:49:13
  To: Murray Lesser                                     07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Backup

Hello Murray,

04 Sep 99 13:43, Murray Lesser wrote to Andy Roberts:

 ML>     Not true.  I use OS/2's BACKUP and RESTORE utilities for backup to
 ML> Zip diskettes.  I can restore part or all of the backed-up partition
 ML> to any partition by properly specifying the RESTORE command.  The only
 ML> restriction is that the restored files(s) must be placed in a
 ML> directory having the same name as the original directory.

And heaven help you if you forget what that original directory name was,
because those utilities certainly aren't. The one and only time I've ever used 
them, was to place some game archives larger than a single floppy on disks. A
year or two later, I was going to restore them on a friends machine (took
along OS/2 boot floppies as well) that I was working on, except I couldn't get 
them to restore. After I got back home, I tried again. Several times. Until I
finally got lucky. I immediately relegated them to the same place I put DOS's
pair, in the "never use" category.


Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Sep-99 08:27:01
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: File Managers

Hi Andy,

05 Sep 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET> Don't you have MP3 files and Warpamp?? :)

AR> No, not yet. ;-)

What about the '{' and the '}' to group extensions, to start the same viewer
for these extensions, you say nothing about that?

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Frits Spieker                                     06-Sep-99 18:10:00
  To: James Mckenzie                                    07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Netscape Communicator

And then James Mckenzie mumbled something about 'Netscape Communicator'.

 JM> AS A WORD OF NOTE:  IBM IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE THE FRENCH LAW WHICH
 JM> REQUIRES YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE "INTERNATIONAL:FRANCE" VERSION.

I believe Krister is located in Sweden and last time I checked, French law was 
not applicable there ;-)


Grtz,
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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             06-Sep-99 00:59:15
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:28:28
Subj: Yamaha YMF724 audio driver

Hi there !

Has anyone tried the newly released Yamaha YMF724 audio driver from IBM?

I'm very interested in knowing how well it works (with eg. the Waveforce 192
XG) and if it supports full duplex.

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <torsten.balle.koefoed@writeme.com>

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From: Mike Roark                                        06-Sep-99 10:17:27
  To: Christer Jacobsson                                08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Christer!

Sunday August 29 1999 00:40, Christer Jacobsson wrote to Frits Spieker:

 CJ> I have tried literally EVERYTHING. but I'm always refused access with
 CJ> an access code #53, #54 or #57. For example, HOW do i enter a CORRECT
 CJ> international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've
 CJ> tried both +46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were
 CJ> accepted as

 CJ> A last-ditch prayer: Can *someone* outside US show me ECACTLY what a
 CJ> VALID international telephone number & an international accepted ZIP
 CJ> code should be constructed so that non-US telephone customer can
 CJ> access the download sites?

Based on the example you have above, use the following..

011-46-60-500xxx

The 011 is the U.S. way of telling the telco's that it is an international
call. I've used it on several different sites and it has always seemed to
work. Just haven't tried it on IBM's site.

 CJ> -+- GoldED/2 2.50+ 16SW2
 CJ>  + Origin: Cop $hoot cop! (2:205/104)

Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 1h 08m 30s 187ms (en).

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From: paul marwick                                      07-Sep-99 08:56:25
  To: Andy Roberts                                      08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: File Managers

Hi Andy

Replying to a message of Andy Roberts to paul marwick:

 AR>>> What bugs in particular?

 pm>> :-) I've not found anything other than a couple of cosmetic
 pm>> problems - mainly in the Windows version

 AR> That's your problem.  You should use the OS/2 version. <g>

:-) When more than 80 percent of my clients run Windows of one sort or
another, I don't have a whole lot of choice in the matter... Its very useful
having something that I use on a day-to-day basis on my own machines which I
can also use on client's machines. Maes for much greater efficiency.

 pm>> (which I end up using, given the amount of time I have to spend
 pm>> working on Windows boxes..).

 AR> If that is Win-OS/2 you could still use the OS/2 version and just
 AR> switch to the other task.

See above. Fthe FCW version is a 32-bit console-mode Windows program, so it
doesn't work under WinOS2 anyway..

 AR> I never have any need for Windows except for PaintBrush.  If you are
 AR> spending much time in Windows, then you need more native OS/2 apps.

See above (again:)). I keep meaning to write a letter to Miscrosoft thanking
them for the lousy quality of their software - if I had to depend on my OS/2
cleints to make a living, I would have gone broke years ago...

 AR> Interesting.  I just left View to wrap and use Edit when I don't want
 AR> it to wrap.

:) Thats a bit dangerous - I've had too mny experenices with things that gt
accidently edited... Most fo the time, I don't need word wrap in the file
viewer. If nothing else, its mouse scrolling works so well it doesn't matter
if the lines are a little longer than the display width.

That is another point for FC/2 - its mouse contorl is very good indeed, and
much more consistent than OS/2 Commander.

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      07-Sep-99 09:05:17
  To: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: File Managers

Hi ``Glen

Replying to a message of ``Glen Carlzen``  to paul marwick:

 `C>      Not sure what you mean here.  I'm a registered user of OS/2
 `C> Commander.  I have NO problems viewing or reading longfile names. 
 `C> There is a setting in the configuration of OSC-124 that allows the
 `C> display in the lower left corner/line of the actual long file name. 
 `C> As long as the files are or reside on an HPFS formatted drive I have
 `C> had no problems.  FAT formatted drives will not display for ovious
 `C> reasons.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Its the combination of long filenames and
FILES.BBS entries that causes OS/2 Commander problems. Geta a file with a name 
more than 13 characters long. Press CTRL-F10 to add it to the FILES.BBS. OS/2
Commander fails with an error. The same applies to either SHIFT-F5 or SHOFT-F6 
when used with a long filename which has a FILES.BBS entry (you'll have to add 
the entry with something else to find the problem..)

 `C>      Just checked a few things.  IF you have your left side panel set
 `C> to FULL the left most colum will show a long file as: " dun_general_p
 `C> "  In the lower left BOTTOM line/box the LFN is displayed as:
 `C> dun_general_property_sheet.gif

I'm aware of the fact that you can display long filenames. However, you cannot 
copy or move them if  you use the commands which should copy or move the
FILES.BBS entry as well. The only command of that sort which does _Not_ cause
OS/2 Commander to fail is SHIFT-F8.

 `C>      The only thing I don't like or would consider a bug would be *IF*
 `C> you tag (inset key) several different files in the directory.  The
 `C> LFN no longer is displayed in the lower left bottom line, but is
 `C> replaced with the amount of K or MB's in files that are tagged.  I
 `C> wouldn't call that a bug.

Yesh, that is a bit irritting, but i can't be called a bug...

 >> and FILES.BBS entries, failure to read most self-extracting archives, 

 `C>      Again I use OSC-124 for managing my files area on the bbs system. 
 `C> Reading or archiving files.bbs files haven't been an issue here.  It
 `C> works for me.

You seem to have missed the context of what I was saying. Reading or
"archiving" a FILES.BBS entry is not a problem. See above...

 `C>      Failure to read "Self-Extracting Archives", if you mean that it
 `C> runs the files, then I disagree with you.  But to VIEW (F3) an *.exe
 `C> file works fine or as it should.  If you mean placing the curser on
 `C> the file and hitting <enter> key I wouldn't call that a BUG.  I would
 `C> call that "Running the program" as it should.  IF you do the same on
 `C> any other OS it would be expected to do the same thing.

If you look at the online help or the documentation, pressing CTRL-A while the 
cursor is over a self-extracting archive should display the contents of that
archive. 99.9% of the time, it fails, complaining that the file is not an
archive or it can't read it. This is simply an advertised funtion that does
not work even vaguely as it is supposed to. FC/2 and InspectA can both handle
this (though there are a number of self-extracting archives which will cause
InspectA to fail. FC/2 has handled every sel-extracter that I've tried it on
so far.

 >> odd behaviour after viewing files within archives, etc..).

 `C>      Odd Behavior after viewing files in an archive.  I have had this
 `C> one a few times, but later found out that I didn't have my archiver
 `C> setup properly on my system (info-zip in config.sys path statement -
 `C> oversight by me).  Once I fixed that problem I haven't had any
 `C> problems.  I have gone as far as reading 3 archives deep within a zip
 `C> file with no real problems.  Works for me.

That wasn't described well (partially because the problem is not consistent
and I have not worked out how to trigger it, unlike the other problems
mentioned). Sometimes, after viewing a file within an archinve (ie, using the
internal text viewer on a doc file in an archive), when I'm finished and want
to exit from the arvhive, moving the cusor to the top of the archive and
pressing return fails to exit from the archive, instead causing one of hte
executables from within the archive to be executed. Its definately there, but
I have not found a reliable means of triggering this behaviour. On the other
hand, since the author seems to have no interest in fixing bugs anymore, that
probably doesn't matter...

 >> Having got no replies at all from the author, I wasn't prepared to
 >> register it

 `C>      I registered it because it DOES MORE than I would ask for.  Untel
 `C> I tryed OSC-124 I us Norton Commander v4.0 & v5.0 on my OS/2 systems. 
 `C> I have always used Norton Commander.  OS/2 Commander has replaced
 `C> then as the MOST used program on all of my OS/2 systems.

:-) FC/2 is rapidly going that way. I guess you could say that I'm annoyed - I 
would in some respects at least have rather registered OS/2 Commander becuase
it does have a few functions that don't (yet) exist in FC/2. However, lack of
support from the author made sure that I didn't do that...

 `C>      I have to agree with you on the author.  I have recieved no
 `C> replies either.  It is NOT uncommon for authers to NOT answer e-mail
 `C> inquiries.  The Better Authors ususally answer their mail, its to
 `C> their benifit and future registrations to answer inquiries.

:-) If they don't answer their mail, how can you tell whether they're still
there to even collect registrations... I'm afraid that I now have a general
policy - if the author does not reply to queries, I don't register...

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      07-Sep-99 09:53:25
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: File Managers

Hi Roy

Replying to a message of Roy J. Tellason to paul marwick:

 pm>> A number of ASCII characters have been known to cause InpsectA 
 pm>> problems. None of them should be in a FILES.BBS entry, but some 
 pm>> of the entries that arrive here (especially in the games 
 pm>> related areas) certainly do contain them.

 RJT> That's really odd, I thought that it was a much better written
 RJT> program than that...  And that behavior is a violation of something
 RJT> I read a while back, written by P. J. Plauger,  to the effect that
 RJT> "no program should leave its sanity at the mercy of its input"!

:) I agree - it should be a lot better than that. I guess David just didn't
anticpate some of the rubbish that people migh consider putting into
description files. I could never see the point - the description is supposed
to tell you (briefly) what the file is for, not provide a a visual display...

 pm>> There problably aren't - I was betateting a new version when he 
 pm>> pulled the plug on it.

 RJT> What a shame,  really,  as I like the program a lot.

So do I. It still suits me better than any of the alternatives, but, given the 
bugs, I no longer seem to have much of a choice.

 RJT> Ok,  let me see what I have on the OS/2 box that I can try this on...

 RJT> I don't have that,  but there's a nets202.exe that's 3,813,751 bytes. 
 RJT> When I hit <enter> on that it comes back with "empty archive".  
 RJT> There's a NETSCAPE.EXE that's 2,611,447 that dumped me into LIST
 RJT> rather than showing archive contents (if that _is_ an archive,  it
 RJT> may just be the executable out of the other one). Hm,  in
 RJT> netscape\download I have a number of files that are up over a meg, 
 RJT> and none of them do it (though I do get an error when I try to look
 RJT> at the *.dsk files).  Tried it on a whole bunch of stuff here just
 RJT> now and except for that one "empty archive" message didn't have any
 RJT> behavior such as you describe.

The majority of self-extractors are handled fine. However, the ones that
aren't are a real pain. Its a pity, since (IMHO) InspectA handles the ones
that it does work with better than anything else around - pressing return to
see what is in the file is (to me) much preferable to having it try to execute 
the file...

 pm>> entry. Edit the entry. Then go look at the files.BBS "raw" -
 pm>> you'll see that you have two entries for that file.

 RJT> Never happened for me.

Try it - that one was pointed out to me by one of the local sysops that I sold 
an InspectA registration to several years ago.

 RJT> Yeah,  well,  it's going to be a deciding factor for me if I've got
 RJT> to pick out and learn a new product here...

Most modern file managers don't have this problem anymore. The only other OS/2 
file manager that I hit which did was a fairly old PM program (EWS, I think).

 RJT> Yeah,  that's about what I've done on the dos box here.  And I'll
 RJT> probably end up writing a short batch file to convert those anyway, 
 RJT> so as to make stuff more accessible to people...

I use RAR a lot (registered a copy of the OS/2 version two or three years
ago). And, since I find it more effective than many of the other archivers,
I'm not going to be converting away from it...

 pm>> unfortunately) truncate descriptions at 512 characters. Which 
 pm>> mucks things up royally...

 RJT> Since my editor won't go beyond that point I hadn't noticed.

:-) Time you got an updated editor... I use FED )FED025S.ZIP) which is free,
small enough to go on a floppy and works well... Can be made to work pretty
much like Qedit as well.

 RJT> I used to hang out in C_ECHO,  ages ago.  Enough that I got invited
 RJT> to moderate it twice (and turned it down twice :-).  It's been ages, 
 RJT> and I have to get a handle on GNU,  the Unix Way Of Doing Things, 
 RJT> and assorted other stuff,  but at least at this point I can look at
 RJT> some code and understand what I'm looking at to some extent.  I may
 RJT> just end up getting back into it,  I don't know...

:-) Can I place an order forr an updated InspectA clone now?

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      07-Sep-99 09:45:09
  To: Bat Lang                                          08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: File Managers

Hi Bat

Replying to a message of Bat Lang to paul marwick:

 BL> Try this, Paul, When you want to exit the archive, hit the <Left>
 BL> arrow key. You need to hit <Enter> to get into the archive (not a
 BL> selfex), but once inside, <Left> will take you back to the parent of
 BL> the archive (so long as you don't have any stray char's in the bottom
 BL> command line) which one normally does not. So long as that command
 BL> line is clean, the <Left> and <Right> keys will take you to the
 BL> parent or child of the current dir. At least mine is config'd to do
 BL> this, and it is a handy alternative for moving up/down the tree.

:) Yeah, I found that one. At least it provides a means of getting out of an
archive when OS/2 Commander has gone a bit strange... The first couple of
times that happened, I ended up closing and restarting OS/2 C since I could
find no way out...

 BL> Particularly up the tree, where you can be 5 or 6 levels down and
 BL> just 'lean on' the <Left> key and you are back at the root.

I can't decide whether I like that feature or not - I must be a bit sloppy
when it comes to using the keyboard, and I've ended up hitting the left or
right arrow keys several times when I meant to hit the up or down arrows,
which can be confusing...

regards, paul

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From: Ian Moote                                         07-Sep-99 12:36:00
  To: SCOTT JONES                                       08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: Netscape E-Mail aler

SJ> IM> In Netscape, my audio alert for incoming E-Mail doesn't work.
[...]
SJ> IM> Does anyone else have this feature of Netscape working? Any
SJ> IM> ideas on how I can get it working?
SJ>
SJ> Add this to your prefs.js file in \(NS dir)\Users\(profile
SJ> directory):
SJ>
SJ> user_pref("os2.mail.sound", "E:\\MMOS2\\SOUNDS\\APPLAUSE.WAV");

Awww -- I didn't check the java readme's!! Whoda figgered?! [:)

Thanks a lot, Scott.


SJ> Note the double slashes.  You can, of course, use a .wav of your
SJ> choosing.

[:D Believe me, I've got a half-dozen _excellent_ ones to choose from! 
[:)

Thanks again. Take care and TTYL.



P.S.:

Tried it. Works! Thanks! [:)
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From: Rob Basler                                        07-Sep-99 18:35:12
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 03:59:12
Subj: PCMCIA Modems for OS/2

I am interested in finding an old (that's cheap) 14.4K or 28.8K PCMCIA card
modem to go in my Thinkpad 365XD running OS/2 Warp 4.  Are any drivers
required for these devices or do they just work?  How about the ones with the
network card built in?

Thanks.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  07-Sep-99 21:55:00
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         08-Sep-99 06:11:15
Subj: 2 Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger dated 09-05-99 ***
>  RW> What are SCCS strings??
> 
> Identification strings embedded into files that are maintained by an 
> SCCS utility.  They begin with the characters "@(#)".  On UNIX systems,
> the `what' command is supplied as part of the SCCS package.

OK..  Now where would these be used or for what??

TIA
Rich
I-Net   turtil@frontiernet.net


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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         06-Sep-99 12:09:18
  To: George White                                      08-Sep-99 06:11:15
Subj: Year 2100

 JDBP>>  All of the utilities that deal with dates are fully capable of
 JDBP>>   handling  dates beyond the year 2000, beyond the year 2038 --
 JDBP>>   which is the "drop  dead" date for much 32-bit C and C++ code --,
 JDBP>>   and right up to the year 2107, in fact.
 JDBP>>
 JDBP>>   Ironically, this ability in the TOUCH and XDIR commands has
 JDBP>>   revealed two Year 2100 bugs in OS/2's own FAT and HPFS filesystem
 JDBP>>   drivers!

 GW> I thought we'd found those long ago... I remember discussions of the
 GW> date range supported by REXX and the OS/2 API long ago and that dates
 GW> beyond 31/12/2099 were not handled correctly.

That doesn't contradict what I said above.  Indeed, if you go back to the 15th 
of October 1998 in this very echo, you will find the first post in the thread
that began the discussion about the year 2100.  I posted it.

The "we" who found the problems in the filesystem drivers was me.  And I found 
them because I had been testing TOUCH and XDIR.  

I even illustrated that post using the output from the TOUCH and XDIR commands 
from the pre-releases of OS2CLU version 2.0 .

  JdeBP 

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From: David Noon                                        06-Sep-99 19:25:00
  To: John Hicks                                        08-Sep-99 06:11:15
Subj: OS/2 on a compaq?

In a message dated 09-05-99, John Hicks said to David Noon about "OS/2 on a
compaq?"

Hi John,

JH>The OS/2 I was trying to install was warp 3 and no the bios 
JH>doesn't go beyond 48 Mb which is bit of a bugger in case I 
JH>need greater than this in the future.

Ok. The "new" interrupt Phoenix introduced might not be a problem.

JH>I'm only using 16Mb 
JH>at the moment with another 16 Mb due to go in the spare 
JH>slot.

Well, Warp 3 will run comfortably in 16MeB. I used to run the Connect
version at work on a Compaq DeskPro with 16MeB and it really only paged
heavily when I had CM/2, DB2/2 and WIN-OS/2 all going at the same time.
Since you aren't likely to connect to a mainframe running DB2, you should
not have too many problems, provided you can get the OS installed.

Now, if you can provide us with a list of the built-in adapters and
expansion cards (video adapter, disk controller, sound card, etc.) and then
tell us step-by-step what happens when you try to install, we'll see if we
can figure out what is causing the problem.

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                07-Sep-99 22:23:10
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: File Managers

Hello Eddy!

Sep 02 23:15 99, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Andy Roberts:

 AR>> *.wav: wepm

 ET> Don't you have MP3 files and Warpamp?? :)

Ugh! Sucks up far too much of my CPU. I prefer Z!, myself. http://dink.org,
IIRC.

Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath)
 blackdeath@softhome.net
  http://sprk.com/blackdeath

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                07-Sep-99 22:28:19
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: OS/2 Sales

Hello All!

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   Shhh! IBM's Still Selling OS/2

   IBM is quietly exceeding its own OS/2 sales expectations.

   By Esther Schindler, Sm@rt Reseller

   While IBM always has maintained that it continues to actively support
   its OS/2 operating system, the general market perception is that the
   company is trying to scoop kitty litter over the product, and is
   minimizing OS/2 sales.

   However, Sm@rt Reseller has learned that IBM's doing much better than
   even it expected. It just hasn't bothered to tell anybody.

   According to IBM sources, the IBM OS/2 Warp client has sold at 134
   percent of plan for the last five quarters, accounting for more than
   $70 million in revenue, with the greatest increase occurring at the
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   This growth is being credited to revenue from large enterprise license
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   in IBM's eyes--positive customer calls on strong e-business
   directions.

   In addition, the server versions of OS/2, Warp Server and Warp Server
   for e-business, have generated more than $30 million in revenue over
   the last five quarters, with a large increase from 4Q98-1Q99 as well.
   Again, say sources, IBM has had significant sales increases from large
   customers. According to sources, the increase is due, in part, to
   interest in WorkSpace On-Demand.

   But those statistics don't necessarily give all OS/2 resellers or
   end-users reason to rejoice. IDC reports that OS/2 only held 0.5
   percent of the 89 million client operating environment market and 3.0%
   of the server operating environment market in 1998. The OS/2 shipments
   declined about 40% in both markets.

   Nonetheless, OS/2 can be a successful special purpose operating
   environment. According to IDC analyst Dan Kusnetzky, "As IBM presents
   host-managed, server-centric computing solutions, it points out that
   this approach will lower the costs of administration and support. They
   don't mention that OS/2 just might be running on the desktop or on the
   workgroup server. Customers who agree with IBM purchase the solution
   and seem happy. More and more of the time, IDC expects IBM to sell
   OS/2 as part of a complete solution with-out mentioning OS/2."

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From: LEE ARONER                                        05-Sep-99 21:45:00
  To: SCOTT JONES                                       08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: Devcon

 RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
  > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
  > Server for e-Business.


 LA>    Yeah, and it costs a pile too.

SJ> What Rob was referring to *is* free.  Signing up for the Solution
  > Developer program (which is free) gives you free download access to
  > DevCon at the Premier level.  http://www.developer.ibm.com

SJ>                               Scott Jones
  >                         (sjones@crosswinds.net)


   Thanks, I'll give it a look...

                                       LRA


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   07-Sep-99 22:33:04
  To: paul marwick                                      08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: File Managers

paul marwick wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 pm>> A number of ASCII characters have been known to cause InpsectA 
 pm>> problems. None of them should be in a FILES.BBS entry, but some 
 pm>> of the entries that arrive here (especially in the games 
 pm>> related areas) certainly do contain them.

 RJT> That's really odd, I thought that it was a much better written
 RJT> program than that...  And that behavior is a violation of something
 RJT> I read a while back, written by P. J. Plauger,  to the effect that
 RJT> "no program should leave its sanity at the mercy of its input"!

 pm> :) I agree - it should be a lot better than that. I guess David 
 pm> just didn't anticpate some of the rubbish that people migh 
 pm> consider putting into description files. 

But that's the whole point -- you _can't_ anticipate things like that,  so a
program should be designed to just deal with it somehow,  and in a sensible
manner,  and not get weird over it.

 pm> I could never see the point - the description is supposed to 
 pm> tell you (briefly) what the file is for, not provide a a visual
 pm> display...

Exactly.  I have my own preferred format for my files listings,  which is so
many characters offset from the left after the line displayed containing the
filename,  size,  and date -- and this is different in the software that
generates my downloadable files lists,  yet in either case they simply take
the "one-long-line" data that they're handed and deal with them appropriately, 
not truncating or cutting words in the middle or similar nonsense like I've
seen some software do.

But I could go on at length on this topic,  and already have on occasion.  <g> 
I'll probably write an article for fidonews one of these days...

 pm>> There problably aren't - I was betateting a new version when he 
 pm>> pulled the plug on it.

 RJT> What a shame,  really,  as I like the program a lot.

 pm> So do I. It still suits me better than any of the alternatives, 
 pm> but, given the bugs, I no longer seem to have much of a choice.

Well,  since I haven't had a problem with it for the most part I will likely
continue to use it,  at least the dos version to some degree and the OS/2
version somewhat.  I have "midnight commander" under Linux but don't care for
the "command" portion of that,  or a whole lot else in there,  although a
bunch of the function keys are the same,  fortunately.  Maybe one of these
days if I get real confident I'll have a look at the source and see if I can
whip it into some semblance of what I'm used to dealing with.  <g>

<...>

 pm> The majority of self-extractors are handled fine. However, the 
 pm> ones that aren't are a real pain. Its a pity, since (IMHO) 
 pm> InspectA handles the ones that it does work with better than 
 pm> anything else around - pressing return to see what is in the 
 pm> file is (to me) much preferable to having it try to execute the 
 pm> file...

Yes!  At least I know I can configure _that_ in that silly program I mentioned 
up there.  (Though I still haven't gotten around to it.)

<...>

 RJT> Yeah,  that's about what I've done on the dos box here.  And I'll
 RJT> probably end up writing a short batch file to convert those anyway, 
 RJT> so as to make stuff more accessible to people...

 pm> I use RAR a lot (registered a copy of the OS/2 version two or 
 pm> three years ago). And, since I find it more effective than many 
 pm> of the other archivers, I'm not going to be converting away 
 pm> from it...

Effective how,  in terms of space?  Or speed?  I used to worry about space, 
but saw a post earlier in another echo about 8.4G drives for $99 (don't know
if this is a rebate thingy or what),  so I sure ain't worried about it the way 
I used to be.

 pm>> unfortunately) truncate descriptions at 512 characters. Which 
 pm>> mucks things up royally...

 RJT> Since my editor won't go beyond that point I hadn't noticed.

 pm> :-) Time you got an updated editor... I use FED )FED025S.ZIP) 
 pm> which is free, small enough to go on a floppy and works well... 
 pm> Can be made to work pretty much like Qedit as well.

I'll have to look around for it.  How big is the package it comes in?

 RJT> I used to hang out in C_ECHO,  ages ago.  Enough that I got invited
 RJT> to moderate it twice (and turned it down twice :-).  It's been ages, 
 RJT> and I have to get a handle on GNU,  the Unix Way Of Doing Things, 
 RJT> and assorted other stuff,  but at least at this point I can look at
 RJT> some code and understand what I'm looking at to some extent.  I may
 RJT> just end up getting back into it,  I don't know...

 pm> :-) Can I place an order forr an updated InspectA clone now?

You'd definitely be in mind for it,  bringing these discussions into here, 
which I've enjoyed.  To run under Linux?  I sure don't have OS/2 tools on hand 
here...  <g>

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From: Dale A Cook                                       07-Sep-99 00:06:10
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: help please?

* Original Area: OS2-BBSRUN
* Original To  : All (81:105/3253)

    
    
   Could someone recommend is decent PCI video-accerator card(at least 4 megs
video memory or more) with high-res drivers for OS/2 ?
     
   My Graphics Blaster Extreme(4 meg) won't do anything beyond 640 x
480_16colors & www.creaf.com has no drivers for it.
       
       
       
                Thanx in advance for any info!
       
                      
                    Dale A Cook >>   cookda@gate.net
  
                                     81:105/3253 OS/2NET
                                     
                                     1:365/3253 aka 1:365/1 fidonet
       

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From: Scott Jones                                       07-Sep-99 18:03:02
  To: Alan Hess                                         08-Sep-99 07:57:28
Subj: Re: NC/2 proxy browser

-=> Alan Hess wrote to all <=-

 AH> What is the proxy browser Netscape Communicator spawns, why does it
 AH> spawn it, and can I prevent it from doing so?  All it does here is peg
 AH> my CPU to 100%, then come up with an error message that it has to be
 AH> closed.  *adh*

Netscape spawns the proxy browser when it fires up a Win16 plugin.
Prevention consists of not using Win16 plugins, but is rather
counterproductive if you need them.

                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


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From: Jack Stein                                        07-Sep-99 07:45:18
  To: Paul Marwick                                      08-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: File Managers

Paul Marwick wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> OS/2 Commander doesn't seem to have a problem with long filenames
 JS> here, or FILES.BBS entries?  What kind of problems, maybe I'm missing
 JS> something. He will display file descriptions in the other window from
 JS> a FILES.BBS _or_ a 4OS2 description file, they both work here as
 JS> described?

 PM> Try this... echo something > this_is_a_long_name. Then put
 PM> the OS/2 Commander cursor over the new file name and press
 PM> CTRL-F10. This is the result... 

 PM> Error 05 occurred in module OS2COVL3 at address 0027:0F73

I never used that facility myself, since I run OPUS and it doesn't use a
Files.bbs and I don't have any long filenames on my bbs.  I tested it though,
and although it works fine copying an 8.3 file and its files.bbs entry, it
blows up with long filenames in the files.bbs.  Is there another files manager 
that does this at all?  To me, this is an extra that would be used mainly by
sysops running an OS/2 BBS that carries files with long filename.  That
generally is not done because many, most bbs's don't handle other than 8.3
files.  

It does copy the file though, just not the FILES.BBS entry.

It's still a bug though, but looks like it stays that way.

 PM> It will do the same if you try and copy a file with a long
 PM> name and a FILES.BBS entry, or if you try and move the same
 PM> file.

But it has no problem copying and moving files with long filenames, just not
when you are trying to copy a long filename file AND its FILES.BBS entry.

 PM>> failure to read most self-extracting archives, 

 JS> Which file manager handles more self-extracting archives?  Most file
 JS> managers don't handle them at all, in fact most don't handle regular
 JS> archives let alone self-extracting ones.

 PM> In this day and age, I would reject _any_ file manager which
 PM> doesn't handle archived files. 

Me too.

 PM> As to which handle self-extracting archives, FC/2 does a good 
 PM> job, and InspectA does a reasonable job (apart from the fact 
 PM> that a number of self-extractors will cause InspectA to fail). 
 PM> OS/2 Commander claims to be able to read sel-extractors 
 PM> (pressing CTRL-A is suppoed to do it), but I've so far found 
 PM> only one out of dozens that I've tried that it can read. All of 
 PM> them could be read by FC/2.

OS2C claims to handle ZIP, ARJ and LHZ self-extracting archives, and it does,
perfectly.  Which other ones does FC/2 handle?

 PM>> odd behaviour after viewing files within archives,

 PM> This one is not easy to reproduce, because it only happens
 PM> sometimes, and I don't know what triggers it. However, on a
 PM> number of ocasions, after viewing a file within an archive
 PM> (probably mainly text files), when you attempt to exit from
 PM> the archive by going to the top of the archive and pressing
 PM> return, OS/2 Commander will attempt to execute one of the
 PM> programes within the archive. Sometimes with disasterous
 PM> results. Trouble is, it only does it sometimes, and I have
 PM> not found any way of triggering the problem reliably (:-)).
 PM> When this happens, the only way to exit from the archive is
 PM> to use the left-arrow key. 

I've seen this happen myself, I think it's related to the sorting order in the 
directory.  If you re-sort the listing with Ctrl-F1 it fixes itself.  You will 
notice when this happens, the two ".." denoting the parent directory is not at 
the top of the listing.  This is a bug for sure, but like you said, hard to
duplicate.

 JS> I've been using OS2C for years, and thats about the only two 
 JS> "bugs" I've noticed, both are very minor.  I generally don't 
 JS> use his editor anyway, and he doesn't really expect you to use 
 JS> his, he allows 2 other external editors plus his assigned to 
 JS> hot keys, so that one is a non-problem.  

 PM> Well, I've only been using OS/2 Commander for a matter of a
 PM> month of so, but the problems I encountered are sufficient
 PM> to ensure that I would not pay for it, not unless it was
 PM> still under development and there was some procpect of the
 PM> problems being fixed.

There are some bugs, none that would preclude me from using it.  Most of them
are quite obscure.  Another one you haven't mentioned is cutting and pasting
from the command line.  For some reason, and I'm not certain it is OS2C fault, 
I can't cut and paste to the OS2C command line any more.  I'm pretty sure this 
used to work, so I don't know what happened.  I saw that Bat mentioned this
also, so maybe it is a problem with OS2C.  It is the only one that particulary 
bother me.

 PM> Well, for the things I need, FC/2 still has a little way to
 PM> go. It does not have the FILES.BBS handling features, which
 PM> I really do need. For the rest, it is solid and has fewer
 PM> bugs. So I've gone with it, hoping I can talk the author
 PM> into adding a few features that I need. Even it I have to
 PM> pay an extra fee to have them added...

I probably would do the same, considering FC/2 is very close to OS2C in
features, and it is still being developed.

 PM> The fact that a progrma is still under active development is
 PM> rapidly becoming the most important consderation,
 PM> unfortunately. I have become tired of spening money on
 PM> software only to find that it is abandoned a little while
 PM> later. A bit like OS/2 itslef, I guess...

I blame the whole mess on IBM, MS, INTEL, ZIFF-DAVIS and the DOJ.  A clear 
case of a giant cartel run amuck, screwing the public at will, and the DOJ too 
corrupt to do anything about it.

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From: Ian Moote                                         08-Sep-99 06:52:00
  To: GEORGE FLIGER                                     08-Sep-99 16:02:23
Subj: Netscape E-Mail aler

GF> Add the following line to your prefs.js file:
GF>
GF> user_pref("os2.mail.sound", "c:\\os2\\apps\\dragon.wav");

Got it! Works great! Thanks alot for the reply, George! Take care and 
TTYL.

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From: Bat Lang                                          08-Sep-99 01:39:04
  To: Don Guy                                           08-Sep-99 16:02:23
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Don Guy to Bat Lang, [05 Sep 99  15:56:25] <=-

 DG> Greetings Bat!

Howdy!

 DG>> This is a refresh which is more recent than the 99/08/11 release I
 DG>> take it?

 BL> 4477405  08/12/99  14:08:58  ---A   NETSCAPE EXE

 DG> That's the same timestamp as the one I have, which was labeled on the
 DG> web site as the 99/08/11 refresh...

Then I reckon we're on the same sheet of music. {^; Good Modeming! /\oo/\


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   08-Sep-99 14:03:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: File Managers

Jack Stein wrote in a message to Paul Marwick:

 JS> I never used that facility myself, since I run OPUS and it 
 JS> doesn't use a Files.bbs 

What does it use instead?

 JS> and I don't have any long filenames on my bbs. 

I don't either.

 JS> I tested it though, and although it works fine copying an 8.3 
 JS> file and its files.bbs entry, it blows up with long filenames 
 JS> in the files.bbs.  Is there another files manager that does 
 JS> this at all?  To me, this is an extra that would be used mainly 
 JS> by sysops running an OS/2 BBS that carries files with long 
 JS> filename.  That generally is not done because many, most bbs's 
 JS> don't handle other than 8.3 files.

Agreed.  My solution to that here is to take,  say, 
this.is.a.real.long.filename.zip and stick it inside something that can be
fairly close to that in 8.3 like longname.zip,  putting the original name in
the description...

An awful lot of stuff out there breaks with other than 8.3.

<...>

 JS> I blame the whole mess on IBM, MS, INTEL, ZIFF-DAVIS and the 
 JS> DOJ.  A clear  case of a giant cartel run amuck, screwing the 
 JS> public at will, and the DOJ too corrupt to do anything about it.

That's one of the reasons I'm getting into Linux here...    :-)

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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              08-Sep-99 07:21:16
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: hauppauge wintv & os/2

Hello All.

'thought this message could interest some people around here..
je pense que ce message pourrait en intresser certains ici..

=====
From:               Bill Voccia <bvoccia@hauppauge.com>
To:                 jmd
Subject:            RE: tv card & os/2
Date sent:          Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:17:55 -0400

We do not support OS/2 directly, however, there is a 3rd party developer who
has OS/2 drivers available for some of the Wintv models. Information and
drivers can be located at:
http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv

Regards,
Bill Voccia (bvoccia@hauppauge.com)
Hauppauge Computer Works
Technical Support Department, U.S.A.

Please Include Previous Message When Responding




-----Original Message-----
From: jmd
Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 3:58 PM
To: techsupport@hauppauge.com
Subject: tv card & os/2


Hello,

I thought I saw on an os/2-related website that hauppauge had come out
with a driver or utility to be able to use a good card under a good OS
did not found it on the site
any information is most than welcome!

JM
http://club.euronet.be/doggys-club

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From: Rob Basler                                        07-Sep-99 18:40:00
  To: Lee Aroner                                        08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: Solution Developer Prgm

LA>RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
LA>  > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
LA>  > Server for e-Business.

LA>   Yeah, and it costs a pile too.

Actually, it's free if you qualify.  I don't think the qualifications
are too tough either.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        08-Sep-99 10:38:01
  To: Steven Thompson                                   08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: DOS Games in OS/2

ST>GREAT!  SC2000 works now...  Now if I could only get Heroes
ST>II to work.  When I start it with the CD in the drive, it
ST>freezes before a screen is displayed, but if I start it w/o
ST>the CD, it complains, and if you put the CD in the drive,
ST>it will take you to the beginning screen, but the mouse is
ST>stuck.  Any ideas on optimizations?

I'd play with the mouse settings.  And I'd try OS/2's Truedos trapdoor
if you have Warp 4 installed on a FAT partition.  That was how I'd play
Command & Conquer Red Alert: The Aftermath until I figured out my little
software patch that makes it run in a standard OS/2 DOS window.  My
patch is at http://www.djtech.com/raos2.html-ssi  You might also try
loading a specific DOS version (like DOS 5.0) using the VMDISK
command.  All you need to do is make an image file of a bootable DOS
diskette and OS/2 will be able to start it afterwards through some
magic - have a look at the help.  There is also DOS from Drive A to
experiment with, have a look at the online help for that.

Rob.
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From: Rob Basler                                        08-Sep-99 10:50:02
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  08-Sep-99 18:44:20
Subj: JPG file lockup

LE>If I double-click on JPEG files, they display. But after veiwing a
LE>number of files, the viewer (what program is that, anyway?) hangs with
LE>"Opening..." and the clock-face cursor.

I sympathize, the same thing happens here.

Rob.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       08-Sep-99 18:51:00
  To: Dale A Cook                                       08-Sep-99 18:51:00
Subj: Help Please?

In a message dated 09-07-99, Dale A Cook said to All:


DC>* Original Area: OS2-BBSRUN
DC>* Original To  : All (81:105/3253)

DC>    
DC>    
DC>   Could someone recommend is decent PCI video-accerator 
DC>card(at least 4 megs video memory or more) with high-res 
DC>drivers for OS/2 ?
DC>     
DC>   My Graphics Blaster Extreme(4 meg) won't do anything 
DC>beyond 640 x 480_16colors & www.creaf.com has no drivers 
DC>for it.
DC>       
DC>       
DC>       
DC>                Thanx in advance for any info!
DC>       
DC>                      
DC>                    Dale A Cook >>   cookda@gate.net
DC>  
DC>                                     81:105/3253 OS/2NET
DC>                                     
DC>                                     1:365/3253 aka 1:365/1 fidonet
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Well, depending upon whcih chipset is employed onthis card you may just be
able
to find drivers for the card you have. but I am sure you can find an old
Matrox
or even an old S3 based card both have native drivers. The best thing to try
os
get to Scitechsoft.com and get the next beta of Scitech Display Doctor 7.0.
the
use a novel approch to a universal driver using the IBM |Gradfd subsystem and
their own Nucleous drivers. the result it every hting you want in a video
driver
and more.
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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    08-Sep-99 21:38:17
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              08-Sep-99 21:38:17
Subj: hauppauge wintv & os/2

 JD> 3rd party developer who
 JD> has OS/2 drivers available for some of the Wintv models. Information and
 JD> drivers can be located at:
 JD> http://www.wdi.co.uk/os2tv

I downloaded the driver and it works with my Haupage WinTV card. It's not
quite as fance as the Windows version but does have rudimentary screen
copying. Norloff's OS/2 BBS had another German driver that I downloaded. It
has more features but gives a distorted TV picture on my system.

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
bob_bainbridge@prodigy.com bbainbridge@vnet.ibm.com

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From: Gord Hannah                                       08-Sep-99 05:20:10
  To: Jack Stein                                        09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: File Managers

Hi Jack, hope you are having a nice day! :-)

06-Sep-99 08:42:18, Jack Stein wrote to Gord Hannah
          Subject: File Managers

 JS>> file managers don't handle them at all, in fact most don't
 JS>> handle regular archives let alone self-extracting ones

 GH>> FC/2 easy highlight the self extracting file then use the
 GH>> key combination of ctrl pgdn voila the files are listed and
 GH>> ready for extracting.  I use it quite often here.

 JS> own in it's config file.  I personally detest self-extracting
 JS> archives, and they should be banned totally for most everything
 JS> other than distributing the compression program itself, IMO

I use them if I am going to go to some one elses machine and am not
sure if they have any archiving software to decompress the program.

 GH>> Not as elegant as my old DOS Stand by SHEZ but it does the
 GH>> job.  I got spoiled with SHEZ so therefore all file
 GH>> commanders are hard pressed to match it, I used SHEZ to the
 GH>> "n"th degree on my old system,
 JS>
 JS> purpose was something else.  FC/2 and OS2C are file managers and
 JS> they natuarally include managing files in archives as well.

On that point we can agree.  Let's call SHEZ a management tool.


 GH>> TODAY I use FC/2 and a file manager for ADEPT to do my

 JS> I use OS2 Commander for everything, it is always running on my
 JS> system, and comes up at boot up, along with CRON, my BBS and an
 JS> OS/2 Window.  It does about everything I can think of, and, when

I too have FC/2 on my desktop at all times, on boot up I have cron
fired up, minicalc, and JDP's anaclock.


 JS> Good to see you still around Gord.

Thanks Jack, was touch and go about a month ago another damned hd
crash, Fujitsu drives do not like me.  Bought a Seagate and am trying
it out, I prefer Quantum but not any available in my area when I
needed it.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.

http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca 
Cheers!
Gord Hannah 
-=Team OS/2=-

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From: Tobias Ernst                                      08-Sep-99 12:13:25
  To: James Mckenzie                                    09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hallo James!

 JM> AS A WORD OF NOTE:  IBM IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE THE FRENCH LAW WHICH 
 JM> REQUIRES YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE "INTERNATIONAL:FRANCE" VERSION.

What's behind that law? Why should a person from France be prohibited from
downloading an international English or German or whatever version if he likes 
that language better?

Or does the French version have even less crypotgraphy then the 40 bits for
the rest of the world?

Viele Gre,
Tobias

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From: paul marwick                                      08-Sep-99 08:59:14
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: InspectA

Hi Jonathan

Replying to a message of Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to paul marwick:

 pm>> The lack of available source code also leaves those who did 
 pm>> register with a dead, unspported product...

 JdBP> Has anyone approached David about obtaining the source ?

I did when he first dropped support for InspectA. At the time, he was quite
bitter about the whole thing and was not prepared to consider releasing the
source. That may have changed with time - I've not asked again (indeed, I
don't have much contact with him anymore).

From memory, a wide range of custom libraries were used, so I suspect that the 
source without them would be of limited value.

regards, paul

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       07-Sep-99 16:36:00
  To: LEONARD ERICKSON                                  09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: JPG file lockup

Some senseless babbling from Leonard Erickson to All
on 09-06-99  21:39 about JPG file lockup...

 LE> If I double-click on JPEG files, they display. But after veiwing a
 LE> number of files, the viewer (what program is that, anyway?) hangs with
 LE> "Opening..." and the clock-face cursor. 

 LE> From this point on, attempting to view *any* JPEG just results in
 LE> another window with the same hang. 

 LE> I have to shutdown and restart to get the ability to view graphics
 LE> back. And when I do, all the open windows display the graphics just
 LE> fine. 

 LE> Any ideas as to what's wrong?

First, the viewer program is actually a class method, which is present for 
all image classes (MMJPG, MMBMP, MMGIF, etc.).  They're WPS classes, and 
their method code is in DLL's (GIFPROC.DLL, PCXPROC.DLL, etc.).

The problem you have is probably bad JPEG files.  The viewer method isn't 
very robust, and will crash on bad data. 

I use PMJPEG for viewing images, personally.  Others prefer PMView (which 
is certainly a good program).  

To use other programs, you'll need to either use the context menu, or 
download a patch (primgfix.zip) that patches the WPS to nix the viewer 
methods.  Originally, you couldn't even change the default action from 
those methods, and the "fix" requires that you modify each file 
individually.  Another workaround is to change the object class of the 
images from MM* to WPDataFile (from the Become menu page).

Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com


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From: Andy Roberts                                      08-Sep-99 02:04:18
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: File Managers

 Eddy Thilleman,

06-Sep-99 08:27:02, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Andy Roberts
 ET> 05 Sep 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
          Subject: File Managers

 ET>>> Don't you have MP3 files and Warpamp?? :)

 AR>> No, not yet. ;-)

 ET> What about the '{' and the '}' to group extensions, to start the
 ET> same viewer for these extensions, you say nothing about that

Shame on me!  That was because I didn't want to admit I hadn't tried your
suggestion yet. <g>

*.{inf,hlp}: view
*.{bmp,gif,jpg,jpeg,pcx,png,tif,tga}: c:\pmview\pmview !

Those suggestions of yours work like a champ.
                                                (Am I forgiven now?)

I've never seen a *.png file.  OTOH I have not seen 1/2 of these others that
were listed in pmview too.

*.{bmp,cur,dcx,fit,gif,ico,iff,img,jgp,lgo,mac,msp,pcd,pcx,pic,pbm,pgm,ppm,pnm
,png,ptr,ras,rle,sgi,shw,tif,tga,wpg,xbm,xpm,xwd}: f:\pmview\pmview !

Anyway the few I tried worked in FC/2.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      08-Sep-99 13:08:28
  To: Rob Basler                                        09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: PCMCIA Modems for OS/2

 Rob Basler,

07-Sep-99 18:35:24, Rob Basler wrote to All
          Subject: PCMCIA Modems for OS/2

 RB> I am interested in finding an old (that's cheap) 14.4K or 28.8K
 RB> PCMCIA card modem to go in my Thinkpad 365XD running OS/2 Warp 4.

I'm not interested in selling the MegaHertz (now 3Com) that's in my ThinkPad.

 RB> Are any drivers required for these devices or do they just work?

Drivers are required AFAIK.  Got mine from the OEM or IBM ddp site.

 RB> How about the ones with the network card built in

I don't have that.  I would expect the same as above.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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From: Adam Cameron                                      08-Sep-99 14:32:08
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 00:20:11
Subj: win-os2 and AIM

I have a Windows 3.1 version of AIM (AOL Instant Messagener). But, it crashes 
all the time and completely locks up the system.

Warp 4 with FP9. Anything I can change to fix this?

+(cheba:cheba@bytespeed.com:icq4201056)+

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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                08-Sep-99 10:22:08
  To: Dale A Cook                                       09-Sep-99 02:49:00
Subj: Re: help please?

On Stardate 07 Sep 99  00:06:20, Dale A Cook Communicated the Following
To All, Regarding help please?...

DA>    Could someone recommend is decent PCI video-accerator card(at least 4
me
DA> video memory or more) with high-res drivers for OS/2 ?

Matrox, Trident, or S3 based cards work pretty well.  I have a Trident 9750 
AGP that runs at 65k colors.

DA>    My Graphics Blaster Extreme(4 meg) won't do anything beyond 640 x
DA> 480_16colors & www.creaf.com has no drivers for it.

Creative Labs is all Windoze based...

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From: James Mckenzie                                    08-Sep-99 08:55:12
  To: Frits Spieker                                     09-Sep-99 07:41:21
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Frits!

06 Sep 99 18:10, Frits Spieker wrote to James Mckenzie:

 FS> And then James Mckenzie mumbled something about 'Netscape
 FS> Communicator'.

 JM>> AS A WORD OF NOTE:  IBM IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE THE FRENCH LAW
 JM>> WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE "INTERNATIONAL:FRANCE"
 JM>> VERSION.

 FS> I believe Krister is located in Sweden and last time I checked, French
 FS> law was not applicable there ;-)

The above comment was for all the readers, not just Krister.
There are a few "lurkers" who reside in France.

James

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From: Scott Jones                                       08-Sep-99 18:17:02
  To: Ian Moote                                         09-Sep-99 07:41:21
Subj: Re: Netscape E-Mail aler

-=> Ian Moote wrote to SCOTT JONES <=-


 SJ> Add this to your prefs.js file in \(NS dir)\Users\(profile
 SJ> directory):
 SJ>
 SJ> user_pref("os2.mail.sound", "E:\\MMOS2\\SOUNDS\\APPLAUSE.WAV");

 IM> Awww -- I didn't check the java readme's!! Whoda figgered?! [:)

Don't worry, checking 'em wouldn't have helped, as it's one of those
undocumented things.  I found it, and a few other items, at
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Communicator.html.

 IM> Thanks a lot, Scott.

Yer welcome.  Glad to help.


                              Scott Jones
                        (sjones@crosswinds.net)


... Cat:  The OTHER white meat.
 
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From: John Thompson                                     08-Sep-99 12:02:00
  To: Rob Basler                                        09-Sep-99 07:41:21
Subj: PCMCIA Modems for OS/2

In a message to All, Rob Basler wrote re: PCMCIA Modems for OS/2

RB> I am interested in finding an old (that's cheap) 14.4K or 28.8K PCMCIA
card
RB> modem to go in my Thinkpad 365XD running OS/2 Warp 4.  Are any drivers
required
RB> for these devices or do they just work?  How about the ones with the
network
RB> card built in?

I have an IBM Home & Away Fax/Modem/Ethernet card (14.4k modem
10mbs ethernet) on my wife's laptop.  It comes with OS/2 drivers.
I've seen it offered NOS for about US$20 recently.  Installing it
on my wife's Compaq Contura Aero was a bit of a trick since it
either has the floppy drive in the PCMCIA slot or the
modem/ethernet card but not both, and the installation program
likes to boot and run from the floppy disk.  I ended up making a
bootable "DOS from drive A:"  image on the HD and running the
installation from that.  The modem function was fairly easy to
configure; ethernet was trickier but works now.


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From: Charles Gaefke                                    07-Sep-99 21:47:03
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Sep-99 10:11:20
Subj: Re: JPG file lockup

LE> If I double-click on JPEG files, they display. But after veiwing a
LE> number of files, the viewer (what program is that, anyway?) hangs with
LE> "Opening..." and the clock-face cursor. 

    Let me know if you find out.  I get the same here.


C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
 


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From: Bat Lang                                          09-Sep-99 01:13:06
  To: Jack Stein                                        09-Sep-99 11:25:15
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Paul Marwick, [07 Sep 99  07:45:37] <=-

 PM> As to which handle self-extracting archives, FC/2 does a good
 PM> job, and InspectA does a reasonable job (apart from the fact
 PM> that a number of self-extractors will cause InspectA to fail).
 PM> OS/2 Commander claims to be able to read sel-extractors
 PM> (pressing CTRL-A is suppoed to do it), but I've so far found
 PM> only one out of dozens that I've tried that it can read. All of
 PM> them could be read by FC/2.

 JS> OS2C claims to handle ZIP, ARJ and LHZ self-extracting archives, and
 JS> it does, perfectly.

What have you been smoking in your pipe, JS? I will concede that it will
sometimes handle selfex archives, but just like PM, I have many more
instances of it's annoying 'Oops, this seems to be an archive that I
don't recognize'. I'd estimate about an 8/9 "Oops" for every one it
handled properly. PM's experience is similar. That's pretty far removed
from "perfectly". }^: Might be better described as "barely". {^;

Whenever I dnld any of the upgrades for Warp from IBM, I normally keep
the most recent one on an LS-120. These are almost always in selfex
format. I just tried the following list:

UNZIP540.EXE  Infozips unzipper
ARO2E30.EXE   Acrobat reader for OS/2
JAVAINRT.EXE  Java Run/time update
RUNTIME.EXE   Earlier Java update
SETUP351.EXE  Latest Matrox Bios update
JRO9691.EXE   Next four are all
LASERJET.EXE  recent printer driver
OMNI.EXE      upgrades for Warp
PSCRIPT.EXE
OS2EN46S.EXE  Current Netscape Comm/2 4.61b2 for Warp.

Every single one of these gave me the "Oops" error, and when I examined
their innards with a viewer, these are their parentage:
Unzipsfx, PKSfx or PE32E.SFX (one).

These files represent the current upgrade path for Warp, and they are
only available as selfex's. The two primary (if I may) ZIP archivers for
OS/2 have been (are) Infozips and the PKZ25? for OS/2. This is also
reflected in the parentage of those files above, coming from IBM. Any
util that calls itself an OS/2 file manager, with a claimed selfex
feature, but fails on the above group of files crafted specifically for
OS/2, is misleading its public at best. IMHO. YMMV. {^; To qualify that
statement, I am a registered user of OS2C.

BTW, after that test, I would revise the 8 or 9:1 above, to 2 or 3:1,
based on my admittedly small sampling of selfexs at hand. This is the
last time I will take exception to your claims for that ^A feature. {^;

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  08-Sep-99 23:28:01
  To: Rob Basler                                        09-Sep-99 15:14:06
Subj: JPG file lockup

 -=> Quoting Rob Basler to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE>If I double-click on JPEG files, they display. But after veiwing a
 LE>number of files, the viewer (what program is that, anyway?) hangs with
 LE>"Opening..." and the clock-face cursor.

 RB> I sympathize, the same thing happens here.

I was kinda hoping it'd be something I was doing wrong. :-(


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From: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Sep-99 01:04:02
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:14:07
Subj: DOS program "fix"

I've got a DOS program that I need to run that hogs the CPU. Setting
idle sensitivity to 1 improves things greatly. 

But I've got the source, and I'd like to make it more multi-tassking
friendly. It looks like it's in a polling loop when it's hogging the
CPU (basicly it's waiting for me to hit a key). 

I seem to recall that there's a DOS INT I can call that'll free up the
rest of the timeslice. IE. change the code like this:


Old:

  Repeat
    ...
    X := keypressed;
    ...
  until keypressed or ....

New:

  Repeat
    ...
    X := keypressed;
    ...
    INT XX;
  until keypressed or ....


But I don't recall what the Int is.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   08-Sep-99 09:08:00
  To: Paul Marwick                                      09-Sep-99 16:15:04
Subj: File Managers

In a message dated 09-07-99, paul marwick said to Andy Roberts:

pm>:) Thats a bit dangerous - I've had too mny experenices with things
pm>that gt accidently edited... Most fo the time, I don't need word
pm>wrap ...........

pm>That is another point for FC/2 - its mouse contorl is very good
pm>indeed, and much more consistent than OS/2 Commander.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Will Honea                                        09-Sep-99 15:55:00
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Sep-99 15:55:00
Subj: DOS program "fix"

Leonard Erickson wrote to All on 09-09-1999

LE> I've got a DOS program that I need to run that hogs the CPU.
LE> Setting idle sensitivity to 1 improves things greatly. 
LE> 
LE> But I've got the source, and I'd like to make it more
LE> multi-tassking friendly. It looks like it's in a polling loop when
LE> it's hogging the CPU (basicly it's waiting for me to hit a key). 
LE> 
LE> I seem to recall that there's a DOS INT I can call that'll free up
LE> the rest of the timeslice. IE. change the code like this:

Just used this last night.  you want int 0x2f, ax = 0x1680.
                                                                   
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From: Andy Roberts                                      08-Sep-99 21:41:10
  To: Jack Stein                                        09-Sep-99 19:35:13
Subj: File Managers

 Jack Stein,

07-Sep-99 07:45:37, Jack Stein wrote to Paul Marwick
 JS> Paul Marwick wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
          Subject: File Managers

 JS>> Which file manager handles more self-extracting archives?  Most
 JS>> file managers don't handle them at all, in fact most don't handle
 JS>> regular archives let alone self-extracting ones.

 PM>> In this day and age, I would reject _any_ file manager which
 PM>> doesn't handle archived files.

 JS> Me too.

 PM>> As to which handle self-extracting archives, FC/2 does a good
 PM>> job, and InspectA does a reasonable job (apart from the fact that
 PM>> a number of self-extractors will cause InspectA to fail). OS/2
 PM>> Commander claims to be able to read sel-extractors (pressing
 PM>> CTRL-A is suppoed to do it), but I've so far found only one out
 PM>> of dozens that I've tried that it can read. All of them could be
 PM>> read by FC/2.

 JS> OS2C claims to handle ZIP, ARJ and LHZ self-extracting archives,
 JS> and it does, perfectly.  Which other ones does FC/2 handle

--- Extract FC.INF --- 
File Commander/2 provides support for archive files (ZIP, ARJ, LZH, RAR and
ACE types are currently supported) that makes these files behave in a similar
way to normal subdirectories.  To view the contents of an archive you simply
press ENTER when the cursor is located on the archive file.  It's possible to
navigate any subdirectories inside the archive just as you would a normal
directory tree.

When a panel is showing the contents of an archive its top line, showing the
current path, changes colour so you won't forget that you're not looking at a
real subdirectory.  While the majority of functions are available inside an
archive, some restrictions do apply.

*  Copying files into an archive may only be done when the destination is the
   root directory of the archive. 
*  It's not possible to change the name of a file while copying it from an
   archive. 
*  Making a directory (F7) is not supported. 
*  Changing Date/Time, Attributes or File Case is not supported. 
*  Making an object isn't supported (wouldn't make any sense anyway) 
*  File Find isn't able to search into archives (this may change in later
   versions). 
*  Directories don't show up on the tree. 
*  Open WPS window obviously can't work. 
    

After reading all that you may be wondering what does work.  The answer (as
far as I'm aware) is everything else. This includes, but is not limited to:

*  copy/move files out of archive (extracting) even from subdirs in archive. 
*  copy/move files into archive (compress) but only into archive's root. 
*  View file in archive. 
*  Edit file in archive. 
*  Delete files from inside archive. 
*  Enter another archive (that is an archive inside an archive). 
*  Ctrl-Q on directory inside archive. 
*  If you use a ! on the command line or in a user menu function, FC/2
   automatically extracts the current file into a temporary directory and
   substitutes the full path of the temporary file for the '!'. 
*  If you press ENTER on a file that is an executable or is associated with a
   program, it will be extracted temporarily to allow it to be used. Only the
   one file is extracted though so if other files in the archive are required
   (EG DLLs) then it won't work as you intend. 
*  Self-extracting archives can be entered by using Ctrl-PageDown. As the file
   is an executable, FC/2's normal reaction is to run it if you press ENTER. 
    

You can configure the way FC/2 calls archiver programs in fc.ini under the
section headings [Archiver:xxx] where xxx is the archive type. The following
settings are provided:

Compress  Command used to add files to an archiver or create a new archive.

CompressListfileSwitch  If the archiver given in Compress supports a list
file as input, this is the prefix used to specify that the following name is
a list file.

Extract  Command used to extract files/directories when using F5 or F6.

ExtractWithoutPath  Command used to extract a single file without any
subdirectories. Used by F3-View and when pressing ENTER to execute.

ExtractListfileSwitch  Same as CompressListfileSwitch but for Extract
command.

Delete  Command used to delete files/directories with F8-Delete

CompressDirSpec  Configures the way directories are given to the compressing
archive program so that the archiver will include a whole directory tree.
A ! character represents the directory name. Most archivers require a suffix
of \*.

ExtractDirSpec  As above but for extracting from an archive.

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From: Bryan Schwartz                                    09-Sep-99 09:21:00
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 19:35:13
Subj: Power Point

Is there a program that allows you to read Microsoft Power Point (.AVI) files
in OS/2?  I just want to read these things on the monitor, not display
them on the wall.

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From: Jack Stein                                        07-Sep-99 18:28:07
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         09-Sep-99 19:35:13
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Louis Aubree:

 LA> Does "KiB" mean 1024 bytes?

 JDBP> Yes.

 JDBP> The basic idea runs as follows:  The metric prefixes
 JDBP> "kilo-", "mega-", "giga-", "tera-" and so forth represent
 JDBP> powers of 10.  For powers of 2 one adds "binary", producing
 JDBP> "kilobinary-", "megabinary-", "gigabinary-", "terabinary-",
 JDBP> and so forth.  These are then shortened to "kibi-", "mebi-",
 JDBP> "gibi-", and "tebi-", and the abbreviations for them are
 JDBP> "Ki", "Me", "Gi", and "Te".

 JDBP> I've been trying the terms on "for size" for the past few
 JDBP> months, and I quite like them.  My FITSIZE utility (part of
 JDBP> OS2CLU version 2.0) already supports "kB"/"MB"/"GB" for
 JDBP> powers of 10 and "KiB"/"MeB"/"GiB" for powers of 2.   

I like k,m and g for the small ones, K,M, and G for the big ones...

Whats so tough about that?
                                              Jack 
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   09-Sep-99 16:15:17
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: DOS program "fix"

Leonard Erickson wrote in a message to All:

 LE> I've got a DOS program that I need to run that hogs the CPU. 
 LE> Setting idle sensitivity to 1 improves things greatly.

 LE> But I've got the source, and I'd like to make it more 
 LE> multi-tassking friendly. It looks like it's in a polling loop 
 LE> when it's hogging the CPU (basicly it's waiting for me to hit a 
 LE> key). 

 LE> I seem to recall that there's a DOS INT I can call that'll free 
 LE> up the rest of the timeslice. IE. change the code like this:

 LE> Old:

 LE>   Repeat
 LE>     ...
 LE>     X := keypressed;
 LE>     ...
 LE>   until keypressed or ....

 LE> New:

 LE>   Repeat
 LE>     ...
 LE>     X := keypressed;
 LE>     ...
 LE>     INT XX;
 LE>   until keypressed or ....

 LE> But I don't recall what the Int is.

For some reason 28 comes to mind,  though I'm not sure about that.  Do you
have a copy of Ralf Brown's interrupt list?  I'm *sure* it's in there
someplace,  but I don't program so I don't have anything set up here to search 
it.  I do have the files if you want 'em,  though...

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                09-Sep-99 14:53:02
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  09-Sep-99 21:36:10
Subj: DOS program "fix"

09 Sep 99 01:04, Leonard Erickson wrote to All:

 LE> I've got a DOS program that I need to run that hogs the CPU. Setting
 LE> idle sensitivity to 1 improves things greatly. 

 LE> But I've got the source, and I'd like to make it more multi-tassking
 LE> friendly. It looks like it's in a polling loop when it's hogging the
 LE> CPU (basicly it's waiting for me to hit a key). 

What you'll want to do is add a delay. Under Virtual Pascal, it uses
DosSleep (under the new version of Virtual Pascal, I beleive it's
something like SysSleep). But Delay should be adequate.

Try;

Repeat
  Do_Something else Delay(1);
until keypressed or ....

That should free some of your CPU cycles for you. Absolutely amazing
what a difference that delay statement works. While testing it out, I
created a program that was basically as you say above (repeat..until
keypressed) and the CPU was pegged at 100%. With the delay in there, it
dropped back down.

Play with the length of the delay and see what gets you the best
results. With DosSleep (VP) I found 1 to work the best. I think with
Delay (BP/TP), 2 was the magic number.

Stewart Honsberger,
  blackdeath@tinys.oix.com

... Why did CNN cancel that cool "Desert Storm" show?
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From: Will Honea                                        09-Sep-99 22:39:00
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    09-Sep-99 22:39:00
Subj: Power Point

Bryan Schwartz wrote to All on 09-09-1999

BS> Is there a program that allows you to read Microsoft Power Point
BS> (.AVI) files in OS/2?  I just want to read these things on the
BS> monitor, not display them on the wall. 

Star Office does a good job with all the Power pt. stuff I've tried
but it seems those were . . .ppt or something similar, not AVI. 
Thought AVI was a video movie file...

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    08-Sep-99 08:56:27
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: 2 Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

Hi Jonathan,

05 Sep 99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard of 2:257/609.3 wrote to Rich Wonneberger:

JdBP> Identification strings embedded into files that are
JdBP> maintained by an SCCS utility.  

What is "SCCS" ?

  Cheers   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    09-Sep-99 00:56:29
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: getting files from internet

Hi!

I'm starting to use wget to grab files from internet, I list the wanted files
in a text file and I've set it up so that wget automatically gets the listed
files or mirror parts of sites.

  Groeten   -=Eddy=-        email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl

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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  08-Sep-99 09:12:18
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: File Managers

>>and FILES.BBS entries, failure to read most self-extracting archives, 
> `C>      Again I use OSC-124 for managing my files area on the bbs 
> `C> system.  Reading or archiving files.bbs files haven't been an 
> `C> issue here.  It works for me.
>
>Just curious,  does it deals with recursion?  Archives within archives?

     Not sure what you mean with "recursion".  Does it read, view, look inside
an archive with-in an archive.  YES.

>Does it have a specific set of archive types that it deals with,  and can you
>add to that list?

     It uses an EDIT-ABLE file(s) for all of its viewer's, archivers, editors,
and etc.  Basically they are TEXT files that OS2C reads for configurations.  I
have several different archivers defined. zip, arj, rar, and a few others I
don't normally use, but they are there.

> `C>      Failure to read "Self-Extracting Archives", if you mean 
>
>I call that a pain in the butt!  I am used to the _default_ action when you
>hit <enter> (using InspectA) being that you want to _view_ the file,  you
have
>to tell it specifically when you want to execute something,  with the F10
key.

     I haven't used "InspectA", but have used other programs and was very
happy
with OS2C-124 (overall) use.

>I don't often want to run something from this kind of program,  anyhow.  Yet
I

     I don't like it eather.  I usually run something like unzip or pkunzip to
extract the files out from a self-extracting archive.  That way I don't run
it.

>have that exact behavior to deal with on the Linux box and mc.  Although at
>least there I can change it if I wanted to.

     I have been a Hardcore DOS person most of my computer life.  The only
reason I decided to run OS/2 warp was to run my dos based BBS Software
multi-node/lined on a single machine.  I have always hated Windows-Anything,
but actually learned to tolerate windows because of OS/2.  Now OS/2 is my
prefered Operating system.  I am now slowly working through learning Linux,
but don't have a clue.

>>odd behaviour after viewing files within archives, etc..).
>
> `C>      Odd Behavior after viewing files in an archive.  I have 
> `C> had this one a few times, but later found out that I didn't 
> `C> have my archiver setup properly on my system (info-zip in 
> `C> config.sys path statement - oversight by me).  Once I fixed 
> `C> that problem I haven't had any problems.  I have gone as far as 
> `C> reading 3 archives deep within a zip file with no real 
> `C> problems.  Works for me.
>
>What did you have to do to fix the problem? 

     See Above...

> I may want to look into using
>this program on the OS/2 box,  since InspectA won't deal well with 2GB+ of
>free space (and that's the major problem I have with it).

     I have tested/viewed drive partitions 4GB's in size with OS/2 Commander
with it reading properly.  But adding to the DataBase information file (OS2C
keeps) when creating directories sometimes is slow or bogs down the system,
but
is tolerateable.  I run on 486DX & P5 systems only.

>>Having got no replies at all from the author, I wasn't prepared to register
>>it
> `C>      I registered it because it DOES MORE than I would ask for. 
> `C>  Untel I tryed OSC-124 I us Norton Commander v4.0 & v5.0 on my 
> `C> OS/2 systems.  I have always used Norton Commander.  OS/2 
> `C> Commander has replaced then as the MOST used program on all of 
> `C> my OS/2 systems.
>
>And would it be fair to say that the bit above about hitting <enter> to
>execute comes from that program?  That it's likely to be the case with all of
>these "* commander" clones?

     I would be inclined to say yes, but I don't feel qualified.  Most
programs
I have used when either <Enter> or a <Double Left Mouse Click> on the *.exe
file would run that file regardless of the OS I have run it on.  Again I'm
speaking of MS or IBM type programs for PC (DOS, MS-Win?, or OS2).

Hope this help.

Glen
The Animal

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From: ``Glen Carlzen``                                  08-Sep-99 09:22:14
  To: Bat Lang                                          10-Sep-99 06:11:26
Subj: File Managers

>To: ``Glen Carlzen``
>TID: IMAIL-386 1.70+ PK32
> -=> Quoting ``Glen Carlzen`` to paul marwick, [02 Sep 99  05:01:57] <=-
>
> `C> Failure to read "Self-Extracting Archives", if you mean that it
> `C> runs the files, then I disagree with you.  But to VIEW (F3) an *.exe
> `C> file works fine or as it should.  If you mean placing the curser on the
> `C> file and hitting <enter> key I wouldn't call that a BUG.  I would call
> `C> that "Running the program" as it should.  IF you do the same on any
> `C> other OS it would be expected to do the same thing.
>
>No, that's not what Paul means. F3 is a viewer for (largely) text files,
>tho it will also view binary files with some small sense gleaned. What
>Paul means is the special function invoked by ^A for viewing the
>directory of the files within selfex files (self extracting archives).
>If you point to a selfex and hit ^A you are supposed to see the same
>thing that you do for (for example) a *.ZIP with the <Enter> key. The
>problem with the ^A function is that in about 90% of the selfex files
>that I have tried, I get a 'Oops, that is not an archive I recognize' or
>some such msg. Since most of the archives that we have been getting from
>IBM, as in the Comm/2 4.61, Java 1.1.8, et al; have all been coming down
>the pike as selfex's, it would be handy to peek inside with ^A and
>extract the README file. But ^A fails on every damn one of those files.
>The only ones it ever seems to work on are those for which I do not need
>the README. }^:

     Your explination now makes sense to me.  I can now see a reason you would
want this function.  How to do It I don't know.  Now that you have explained
it
I would like this as well.  I have just been doing it the old HARD way.
Unpacking the whole thing and going through files one by one.

Thanks :)

Glen
The Animal

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From: Christer Jacobsson                                09-Sep-99 22:15:17
  To: Frits Spieker                                     10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Monday August 30 1999, Frits Spieker writes to Christer Jacobsson:

 FS> And then Christer Jacobsson mumbled something about 'Netscape
 FS> Communicator'.

 FS> Well, taking into consideration that it took you 3 tries to post the
 FS> message I am responding to now, I won't rule out user induced error at
the
 FS> start, but here goes:


 CJ>> Pray, show me *how* I should fill in the critical fields, i.e. name,
 CJ>> userID, phone, email adress and so on to gain access to the download
 CJ>> aera! And no, I have Cookies enabled for ALL sites, blowing your
 CJ>> theory to kingdom come!

 FS> It was not a theory, just a question. Maybe there is a "rude moron"
filter
 FS> in use at IBM?

It's very hard to be rude when filling out a form consisting of your name,
adress, e-mail adress, company name, phone/fax number and so on, especially
when there are *no* comment fields where one could put rude utterances. What I 
did was entering my bona fide name, adress, company name, ZIP, phone/fax
number, country and e-mail adress.


 CJ>> Explain that!

 FS> Maybe it doesn't like you yelling at it?

If putting my country name and home city name in capital letters is
considering "yelling", then IBM is extremely sensitive. The guidelines laid
down by SPS (=Swedish Postal Service) for writing postal adresses suggests
*very* strongly that you write your city name and country name in CAPITAL
letters and that you prepend your Swedish zip code with the characters 'S-'
signalling this is a Swedish zip code.

But the thing that I think is very curious is this: After submitting a
correctly filled out form, I'm transported to a web page stating that I can't
download the 4.61 previes. BUT, after 7-10 days, an email from IBM appears in
my mailbox, and in that email I'm presented with a login URL which I am to use 
with my registered UserID & password, so I can go to that page and download
4.61 preview and updated plugin pack. All well and good - but when I submitted 
my registration form, nowhere was I informed that I would be provided with a
login URL in an email that would appear about a week later. So I have now
downloaded 4.61 and it's accompanying plugin pack update well and good.

OK if IBM can't grant access to the download site for us non-US users
immediately, but they could at least inform us that we *will* be provided a
login URL about a week later if our submitted reg form is accepted - such a
message would be a boon for our peace of mind.




 CJ>> international telephone number that will be accepted by IBM? I've
 CJ>> tried both +46-60-500xxx and 46-60-500xxxx but no one of these were
 CJ>> accepted as

 FS> If you entered the country correctly, you only have to fill in your area
 FS> code and subscriber number. In your case that would probably be something
 FS> like 0600-500xxx. If you do insist on filling in the whole thing, try
 FS> (+46)-60500xxx. (That worked for me: (+31)-1024xxxxxx.

 CJ>> I'm completely stymied - if this is a piece of IMB:s so-called
 CJ>> custom-friendly policy, I can only hope that M$ will crush IBM
 CJ>> utterly.

 FS> Well, if that is your desire, why then don't you do what could be better
 FS> for your health; wipe OS/2 of your HD, install Windows 98 and start
 FS> whining in the Windows support areas that your registry got corrupted
 FS> again and that you have to re-install Win98 yet again?

I have *never* have W*n 95/98 installed on my system: but I *have* PC DOS 7
and my old trusty Win 3.1 installed on a primary partition and NT4 on a NTFS
partition, just so I can run things that requires straight DOS, Win 3.1 or NT. 
And I will NOT give up OS/2 and install the 95/98 junk here as I like OS/2 too 
much to give it up. But I don't like that Communicator/2 seems to be much more 
sluggish than it's 16-bit (for win3.1 and Win-OS/2) counterpart: as a veteran
OS/2 user, I think it should be the other way around.

Admittedly, OS/2 is a vastly superior OS compared to W*n 95/98, much more
stable and trustworthy, but *why* can't Communicator/2 4.04 or 4.61 be as
smooth and responsive as their win3.1 counterparts? I've compared Communicator 
4.06 (16-bit) running under Win-OS/2 to Communicator/2 4.04 and Communicator/2 
4.61 preview 2, and the 16-bit (win31) version under win-OS/2 don't freeze up
for 10-15 seconds every 1-2 minutes as it's OS/2 counterpart does, despite
that the cache settings are the same for the OS/2 and win31 versions of my
installed communicator software.



/GAIA (Insulin User - 3rd Anniversary & 18th Wedding Anniversary :-) )
       Team OS/2      E-mail: cribo.jacobsson@gaea.se

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From: Christer Jacobsson                                10-Sep-99 01:09:21
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Win31 plugins in Communicator/2 4.61?

Hi!

Finally I managed to download Communicator/2 4.61 990809 BETA2 preview and
installed it successfully. Now I have come across sites that requires the
Shockwave plugin, and as there is no native OS/2 Shockwave plugin I must
resort to the version that are for Win3.1: this package on www.macromedia.com
contains Shockwave 6.01 and Flash 3.10 win31 plugins.

Now the doc for Communicator/2 states that win31 plugins should be installed
in the x:\<4.61 place on disk>\Program\Win16\Plugins directory, so I started a 
win-os2 session and ran the Shockwave installation from the file manager as
the Communicator/2 docs suggested - naturally I pointed Shockwave to the above 
directory where it should install itself. It installed without any error
messages, so I closed the win-os2 session and fired up Communicator/2 to test
the Shockwave plugin.

To my dismay it didn't work at all. Inspecting the
comm461\program\win16\plugins directory showed that Shockwave had installed
itself there, but somehow Communicator/2 haven't realized it now could use the 
Shockwave plugin.

Have somebody out there managed to install Shockwave plugin in Communicator/2
4.61, got it to work properly and can describe what steps are necessary to
successfully install (and perhaps configure) the win31 Shockwave plugin?

The same question goes for the win31 version of the Sizzler plugin in
Communicator/2 4.61.


/GAIA (Insulin User - 3rd Anniversary & 18th Wedding Anniversary :-) )
       Team OS/2      E-mail: cribo.jacobsson@gaea.se

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From: Paul Hildebrandt                                  09-Sep-99 17:19:12
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Power Point

Hello Bryan!

09 Sep 99 09:21, Bryan Schwartz wrote to All:

 BS> Is there a program that allows you to read Microsoft Power Point
 BS> (.AVI) files in OS/2?  I just want to read these things on the
 BS> monitor, not display them on the wall.

Star Office does.

www.stardivision.com I think.

Paul

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From: Andy Roberts                                      09-Sep-99 21:22:27
  To: Bat Lang                                          10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: File Managers

 Bat Lang,

09-Sep-99 01:13:12, Bat Lang wrote to Jack Stein
 -=>> Quoting Jack Stein to Paul Marwick, [07 Sep 99  07:45:37] <=-
          Subject: File Managers

 PM>> As to which handle self-extracting archives, FC/2 does a good job,

For OS/2 files with the OS/2 version of FC/2 I think it does a great job.
Unfortunately the Windows version of FC and Windows files may be giving the
OS/2 version an only "good" name.

 PM>> OS/2 Commander claims to be able to read self-extractors
 PM>> (pressing CTRL-A is suppoed to do it), but I've so far found
 PM>> only one out of dozens that I've tried that it can read. All of
 PM>> them could be read by FC/2.

That's more like it.  100% success with FC/2.

 JS>> OS2C claims to handle ZIP, ARJ and LHZ self-extracting archives, and
 JS>> it does, perfectly.

 BL> What have you been smoking in your pipe, JS? I will concede that it will
 BL> sometimes handle selfex archives, but just like PM, I have many more
 BL> instances of it's annoying 'Oops, this seems to be an archive that I
 BL> don't recognize'. I'd estimate about an 8/9 "Oops" for every one it
 BL> handled properly. PM's experience is similar. That's pretty far removed
 BL> from "perfectly". }^: Might be better described as "barely". {^;

 BL> Whenever I dnld any of the upgrades for Warp from IBM, I normally keep
 BL> the most recent one on an LS-120. These are almost always in selfex
 BL> format. I just tried the following list:

 BL> UNZIP540.EXE  Infozips unzipper
 BL> ARO2E30.EXE   Acrobat reader for OS/2
 BL> JAVAINRT.EXE  Java Run/time update
 BL> RUNTIME.EXE   Earlier Java update
 BL> SETUP351.EXE  Latest Matrox Bios update
 BL> JRO9691.EXE   Next four are all
 BL> LASERJET.EXE  recent printer driver
 BL> OMNI.EXE      upgrades for Warp
 BL> PSCRIPT.EXE
 BL> OS2EN46S.EXE  Current Netscape Comm/2 4.61b2 for Warp.

I don't have JRO9691.EXE nor PSCRIPT.EXE, but I do have all the rest and they
all work with FC/2.

 BL> Every single one of these gave me the "Oops" error, and when I examined
 BL> their innards with a viewer, these are their parentage:
 BL> Unzipsfx, PKSfx or PE32E.SFX (one).

 BL> These files represent the current upgrade path for Warp, and they are
 BL> only available as selfex's. The two primary (if I may) ZIP archivers for
 BL> OS/2 have been (are) Infozips and the PKZ25? for OS/2. This is also
 BL> reflected in the parentage of those files above, coming from IBM. Any
 BL> util that calls itself an OS/2 file manager, with a claimed selfex
 BL> feature, but fails on the above group of files crafted specifically for
 BL> OS/2, is misleading its public at best. IMHO. YMMV. {^; To qualify that
 BL> statement, I am a registered user of OS2C.

 BL> BTW, after that test, I would revise the 8 or 9:1 above, to 2 or 3:1,
 BL> based on my admittedly small sampling of selfexs at hand. This is the
 BL> last time I will take exception to your claims for that ^A feature. {^;

For a larger sample I went through my BBS file base.

Over all including some questionable M$ exe files FC/2 Ctrl-PgDn worked on
126 out of 162 files or 77.8%.

If I exclude the questionable M$ crap which I have no interest in, then 
FC/2 Ctrl-PgDn works on 126 out of 131 files or 96.2%.  

If I include those Info-Zip UnZip (programmed onto an FC/2 function key) works 

on, that failed with FC/2 Ctrl-PgDn, then all 131 files or 100% work.

I can live without M$ and with that 100% success. <g>

Using FC/2 Ctrl-PgDn to view Self-extracting files from my BBS file base.
126 worked.
36 didn't work.

Of those that failed:
5 OS/2 files didn't work, but all of those Info-Zip UnZip worked on.
31 Windows files didn't work, but 4 of those Info-Zip UnZip worked on.
Of the other 27 Windows files, I'm not even sure they are self-extracting.
After all, WinXX users are not concerned with Bloat, so why should they bother
to archive files they send through the IFDC or follow IFDC policy.

So I've included comments excerpted from inside most of those that failed,
if I could find any readable text to quote.  I've also included the file area
name for all those that failed.

OS/2 files that did not work:
-----------------------------
CDR
cdwos271.exe (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
cdwos2us.exe (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
DRIVERS
USBBASIC.EXE (pksfx sfx.exe)  (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
OS2
w32s125.exe  (PKLITE Copr. 1990-92 PKWARE Inc.) (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
warpinst.exe (PKLITE Copr. 1990-92 PKWARE Inc.) (Info-Zip UnZip worked)

Other non-OS/2 files that did not work:
---------------------------------------
APG_PTCH
sw12swpt.exe (EZPDOS.EXE)
sw3dfx.exe   (EZPDOS.EXE)
swpl3dfx.exe (EZPDOS.EXE)
swsw3dfx.exe (EZPDOS.EXE)
swuk3dfx.exe (EZPDOS.EXE)
W32_APPS
assist.exe   (PKLITE Copr. 1990-92 PKWARE Inc.)  (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
1start.exe   (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
critec.exe   (This program must be run under Win32)
W32_COMM
comip95.exe  (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
W32_DESK
easyap.exe   (This program must be run under Win32)
id_wt.exe    (Please run this installation $under Windows 3.1 or higher.)
ie-off.exe   (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
W32_INT
addweb.exe
atmtm20.exe  (This program must be run under Win32)
dnssetup.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
filefdr.exe  (This program must be run under Win32)
fwolf201.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
gr10jwsg.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.) (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
mboxcopy.exe (This program requires Microsoft Windows.) (Info-Zip UnZip
worked)
rastm110.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
rcnmstr.exe  (This program must be run under Win32)
spg22.exe    (Info-Zip UnZip worked)
vtuner1.exe
web10set.exe (This program must be run under Win32)
W32_MISC
grafeq32.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
W32_MULT
polyv300.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
W32_PD
win95y2k.exe (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
cewbd10.exe  (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
ss98b.exe    (This program must be run under Win32)
targ110.exe  (This program cannot be run in DOS mode.)
WINDOWS
so51_win_01.exe  (Info-Zip UnZip worked)

FC/2 Ctrl-PgDn Worked:
----------------------
1t-tutor.exe
ace10.exe
adptla97.exe
ANGEL_T1.EXE
ANGEL_TT.EXE
arc2.exe
arcn12b9.exe
arj241p.exe
arj250a.exe
arj255cx.exe
arj260.exe
arj260x.exe
aro2e30.exe
bidi.exe
bios_104.exe
BORDI_T1.EXE
BORDI_TT.EXE
BOUM_T1.EXE
BOUM_TT.EXE
BUJAR_T1.EXE
BUJAR_TT.EXE
c32d0200.exe
c32faq.exe
CALEB_T1.EXE
CALEB_TT.EXE
CANDY_T1.EXE
CANDY_TT.EXE
CHANC_T1.EXE
CHANC_TT.EXE
chklogpk.exe
CJ3957LE.exe
Cjos57le.exe
comm40xr.exe
cs_140.exe
CS_141.EXE
d70u15.exe
DACTY_T1.EXE
DACTY_TT.EXE
DINOS_T1.EXE
DINOS_TT.EXE
far160.exe
fixt139.exe
freevcs.exe
HALLO_T1.EXE
HALLO_TT.EXE
i2o.exe
i2ol.exe
ibmpcl5.exe
IDEDASD.EXE
iphonesw.exe
jar101dx.exe
jar102x.exe
javainrt.exe
laserjet.exe
lha213.exe
lha255e.exe
lharc.exe
lhe101.exe
loginscr.exe
lscript2.exe
NAHKT_T1.EXE
NAHKT_TT.EXE
NETS202.EXE
NS202.EXE
nspip21.exe
nu3-lu04.exe
nu3-lu05.exe
ochat107.exe
omni.exe
OS2EN202.EXE
OS2EN46S.EXE
PK250DOS.EXE
pk260w32.exe
pkz102_2.exe
pkzws201.exe
PLUG30EN.EXE
PLUGIN.EXE
PLUGINPK.EXE
PLUGPKEN.EXE
pp207bt.exe
PRESS_T1.EXE
PRESS_TT.EXE
pscn202e.exe
pw1118.exe
rar205.exe
rar205p.exe
rar206.exe
rar206p.exe
runtime.exe
samples.exe
sarj121.exe
setup351.exe
SILBO_T1.EXE
SILBO_TT.EXE
so50_01.exe
so51_os2_01.EXE
t-wizcom.exe
toolkit.exe
u-player.exe
uf_30103.exe
unz512x2.exe
unz540x1.exe
unz540x2.exe
upgradea.exe
USBAUDIO.EXE
USBCOMM.EXE
USBKEYBD.EXE
USBMOUSE.EXE
usrsdl.exe
vmidi_95.exe
wg1001.exe
WILEG_T1.EXE
WILEG_TT.EXE
winzip70.exe
wrar205.exe
wrar206.exe
wzinet95.exe
zcc10151.exe
zcc30151.exe
zcc40151.exe
zcd10151.exe
zcd20151.exe
zcd30151.exe
zcd40151.exe
zcol.exe
zcopy35.exe
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From: LEE ARONER                                        08-Sep-99 23:18:00
  To: ROB BASLER                                        10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Solution Developer Prgm

LA>RB> Look into IBM's solution developer program, it allows free access to
LA>  > pretty much everything on all the Devcon CD's including OS/2 Warp
LA>  > Server for e-Business.

LA>   Yeah, and it costs a pile too.

RB> Actually, it's free if you qualify.  I don't think the qualifications
  > are too tough either.


   I have a guest membership already, but it don't seem to get you 
   much. Maybe they've changed what you can access since my last 
   visit...I'll give it a looksee tomorrow.


                                          LRA


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From: George White                                      06-Sep-99 08:17:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Character sets

Hi Murray,

You wrote to David Noon:

ML>    Nowadays, the Average Idiot Home User hasn't heard of any character
ML>code other than ASCII, if even that :-(.  As you well know, the stupid
ML>collating sequence of ASCII is due to the great desire of AT&T to pack
ML>everything they thought anybody would ever want into seven bits, while
ML>letting the presence of a single bit differentiate between lower- and
ML>upper-case alpha characters (a desirable characteristic only for fully
ML>mechanical terminals).  Making sense (from a computer-architectural
ML>standpoint) has never been a requirement for standards committees!  (I
ML>have a great dislike, based on many years of past participation, of most
ML>computer-related standardizing activities.  The standards committee
ML>members seem to be more interested in showing how smart they are than in
ML>following Euripides' "legacy" law of computer architecture:  "The gods
ML>visit the sins of the fathers upon the children.")

I think of the ANSI screen control sequences as a classic example of
that "cleverness", even though they are really DEC terminal control
sequences.

ML>    As to why the PC architecture included the use of ASCII as an
ML>internal character code: since I had nothing to do with the IBM PC
ML>development, I have only some conjectures.  The PC was developed by a
ML>semi-independent group in Florida.  The then upper management of IBM
ML>didn't believe it was ever going to go anywhere, so probably didn't care

Original estimate was 250,000 units over 5 years according to an
article in Byte in 1990. It should have been dead, buried, and history
by now...

ML>that the original perpetrators were using their 8-bit version of ASCII
ML>instead of EBCDIC!  The character-code choice may have had something to
ML>do with the fact that the 7-bit version of ASCII (embedded in eight
ML>bits) was being used in most desktop machines up to that date.  (My CP/M
ML>machine, vintage 1979, used a so-called ASCII terminal that had no way
ML>to input the high-order eighth bit.)  Only some word processors of the
ML>time used that bit for anything.

Compatibility with the CP/M-80 machines they were designed to replace is
probably the only reason (and the fact that Boca Raton was far away from
the "Big Iron" development sites).

ML>    The 8088/86 instruction set was derived from the 8080 set, and two
ML>of the three operating systems originally offered for the IBM PC were
ML>(to some extent) "upward compatible" from CP/M.  IMO, the PC fathers did
ML>the best that they could to make ASCII barely usable, supplying both the
ML>missing "upper" 128 characters and also text-mode graphic symbols for
ML>the otherwise useless (by then) ASCII control characters.  We OS/2
ML>children are still living with the results of their sins.

You thinking of the same three as me? PCDOS, CP/M-86, and UCSD P code.

Not all the control characters were useless (especially as CR, LF, FF
and TAB are officially control characters!!!!), I have been known to use
DC1 and DC3 on a serial link - and the fact that the PC supports them
internally has been known to cause users problems...

George
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         08-Sep-99 11:19:09
  To: Jack Stein                                        10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

 JDBP>>                               Announcing the
 JDBP>>
 JDBP>>                  
 JDBP>>                  OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0
 JDBP>>                  

 JS> Unbelievably prolific work Jonathan.  I could not try out your work as
 JS> fast as you were producing it.  The OS2 community owes you a BIG one
 JS> for this, I figure it is a must have package for anyone using OS2
 JS> other than "gamers" which should include about everyone.  I assume
 JS> the filename everyone should be looking for is OS2CLU02.ZIP?

Or OS2CLU02.RAR.  

I'm sure that I mentioned this in the original announcement somewhere.  (-:

  JdeBP 

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From: David Noon                                        08-Sep-99 18:51:01
  To: Murray Lesser                                     10-Sep-99 08:22:05
Subj: Family Mode API

In a message dated 09-05-99, Murray Lesser said to Lee Aroner about "Family
Mode API"

Hi Murray,

This discussion really belongs in OS2PROG, as I expect most people in this
echo won't have the faintest idea what it's about.

ML>    The only reason to play with the 16-bit OS/2 Family API functions is
ML>to write dual-mode programs that will run under both DOS and OS/2 (and
ML>under Win3x),

Well, not Windows programs, but most FAPI programs will run in a DOS box.
Only OS/2 (non-PM) and DOS programs can be FAPI, and not all OS/2 programs
are FAPI-compliant either. One cannot use multi-threading in a FAPI program,
and several other base API calls have no FAPI bindings.

ML>which must be linked with BIND.EXE.

Which is in the 16-bit OS/2 DTK, which Lee doesn't have.

ML>I have grave doubts
ML>that you can play the "bound" EXE game from any version of Pascal.

One can use IBM Pascal/2, which was a thinly disguised version of MS Quick
Pascal. However, the grammar supported by that compiler will come as a
severe shock to anybody accustomed to Borland's enhanced Pascal. One thing
most Pascal programmers really hate is having to use Pascal! [In the strict
meaning of the name of a programming language.]

There is also the patch for Borland Pascal 7.0, prepared by the German
magazine c't a few years back. It allows one to produce 16-bit OS/2 code,
and the resulting executables should be FAPI-compliant.

ML>The
ML>necessary linker (BIND.EXE) was distributed only (AFAIK) with MS MASM
ML>5.0, MS C 5.0, and OS/2 1.x.

BIND.EXE operates on already linked executables. It also requires
BINDINGS.LIB to introduce the DOS object code. These arrive with the OS/2
DTK 1.3 (on DevCon), or with MS C 5.x/6.0, MS FORTRAN 5.1 and MASM 5.x/6.0.

However, BIND.EXE will work on any valid NE-format executable. The LINK.EXE
supplied with OS/2 will prepare just such a file, even with object code from
Borland Pascal 7.0 (suitably patched).

Regards

Dave
<Team PL/I>
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From: Andy Roberts                                      09-Sep-99 23:49:10
  To: Bryan Schwartz                                    10-Sep-99 13:22:24
Subj: Power Point

 Bryan Schwartz,

09-Sep-99 09:21:00, Bryan Schwartz wrote to All
          Subject: Power Point

 BS> Is there a program that allows you to read Microsoft Power Point
 BS> (.AVI) files in OS/2?  I just want to read these things on the
 BS> monitor, not display them on the wall.

This may not be much help, but the answer is probably "yes" for Win-OS/2.
I don't know exactly what files you would need.

IBM Marketing sent the Aurora testers a CD with a bunch of Microsoft *.AVI
stuff that could not be seen with the native OS/2 prgm.  But the CD included
a setup that ran under Win-OS/2 and installed the supporting files.  So it is
probably among this stuff:

Directory of N:\VFW11E\DISK1
ACMCMPRS DL_      6864  11-19-93  7:00a
AVICAP   DL_     39985   9-02-94  7:00a
AVIFILE  DL_     52476   3-03-94  7:00a
CLEANUP  RE_        92  11-19-93  7:00a
COMPOBJ  DL_     54527   3-03-94  7:00a
CTL3D    DL_      8269  11-19-93  7:00a
DISPDIB  DL_      3722  11-19-93  7:00a
DVA      38_      1580   9-02-94  7:00a
ICCVID   DR_     32485   9-02-94  7:00a
IMAADPCM AC_      9621   9-02-94  7:00a
INIUPD   DL_     28074  11-19-93  7:00a
IR21_R   DL_     24204  11-19-93  7:00a
IR32     DL_     73048   9-02-94  7:00a
MAP_WIN  HL_      7669  11-19-93  7:00a
MCIAVI   DR_     41004   3-03-94  7:00a
MCIOLE   DL_      5326   3-03-94  7:00a
MPLAYER  EX_     55904  11-19-93  7:00a
MPLAYER  HL_     33303  11-19-93  7:00a
MPLAYER  RE_       412  11-19-93  7:00a
MSACM    DL_     30274  11-19-93  7:00a
MSACM    DR_     12743  11-19-93  7:00a
MSADPCM  AC_      8046  11-19-93  7:00a
MSCOMSTF DL_     37722  11-19-93  7:00a
MSCPYDIS DL_      6911  11-19-93  7:00a
MSCPYDIS IN_      1728  11-19-93  7:00a
MSCUISTF DL_     11560  11-19-93  7:00a
MSDETECT IN_      3742  11-19-93  7:00a
MSDETSTF DL_     13519  11-19-93  7:00a
MSINSSTF DL_     36858  11-19-93  7:00a
MSRLE    DR_      5284  11-19-93  7:00a
MSSHLSTF DL_      8234  11-19-93  7:00a
MSUILSTF DL_      3611  11-19-93  7:00a
MSVIDC   DR_     20291  11-19-93  7:00a
MSVIDEO  DL_     65647   3-17-95  7:00a
MSVIDEO  NT_     67614   9-02-94  7:00a
OLE2     DL_    169656   3-03-94  7:00a
OLE2     RE_      3710   3-03-94  7:00a
OLE2CONV DL_     32201   3-03-94  7:00a
OLE2DISP DL_     50769   9-02-94  7:00a
OLE2NLS  DL_     52746   9-02-94  7:00a
OLE2PROX DL_     22307   3-03-94  7:00a
PROFDISP EX_      2490  11-19-93  7:00a
SETUP    INI       149   3-17-95  7:00a
SETUP    IN_      1334   9-02-94  7:00a
SETUP    MST     11344   7-03-95  9:24a
SETUPAPI IN_     11015  11-19-93  7:00a
STDOLE   TL_      2066   9-02-94  7:00a
STORAGE  DL_     81328   3-03-94  7:00a
TYPELIB  DL_     86967   9-02-94  7:00a
VFWSETUP EXE     24624  11-19-93  7:00a
VFWSETUP LST       686   3-17-95  7:00a
_MSSETUP EX_      6622  11-19-93  7:00a
_MSTEST  EX_     49647  11-19-93  7:00a
      55 file(s)    1422010 bytes used

WndTitle   = Video for Windows 1.1 Runtime

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Sep-99 10:26:07
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    10-Sep-99 13:22:24
Subj: 2 Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

JdBP> Identification strings embedded into files that are
JdBP> maintained by an SCCS utility.  

 ET> What is "SCCS" ?

"Source Code Control System"?  Probably the same thing I've seen referred to
elsewhere as a "Revision Control System" (RCS),  a good thing to have when
programming projects get fairly large and complicated,  and especially when
there's a group of programmers rather than one individual.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Sep-99 10:29:22
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         10-Sep-99 13:22:24
Subj: Announcing the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JDBP>>                               Announcing the
 JDBP>>
 JDBP>>                  
 JDBP>>                  OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0
 JDBP>>                  

 JS> Unbelievably prolific work Jonathan.  I could not try out your work as
 JS> fast as you were producing it.  The OS2 community owes you a BIG one
 JS> for this, I figure it is a must have package for anyone using OS2
 JS> other than "gamers" which should include about everyone.  I assume
 JS> the filename everyone should be looking for is OS2CLU02.ZIP?

 JdBP> Or OS2CLU02.RAR.  

 JdBP> I'm sure that I mentioned this in the original announcement
 JdBP> somewhere.  (-: 

Does this file I have here represent the release version,  then:

os2clu02.rar  385756  16-Aug-99 10:39

?

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From: Fred Springfield                                  10-Sep-99 08:44:09
  To: Will Honea                                        10-Sep-99 21:25:26
Subj: DOS program "fix"

Will Honea wrote to Leonard Erickson--

WH> Leonard Erickson wrote to All on 09-09-1999
WH> 
WH> LE> I've got a DOS program that I need to run that hogs the CPU.
WH> LE> Setting idle sensitivity to 1 improves things greatly. 
WH> LE> 
WH> LE> But I've got the source, and I'd like to make it more
WH> LE> multi-tassking friendly. It looks like it's in a polling loop when
WH> LE> it's hogging the CPU (basicly it's waiting for me to hit a key). 
WH> LE> 
WH> LE> I seem to recall that there's a DOS INT I can call that'll free up
WH> LE> the rest of the timeslice. IE. change the code like this:
WH> 
WH> Just used this last night.  you want int 0x2f, ax = 0x1680.

Leonard didn't mention which version of OS/2 he is using.  

This was broken in OS/2 v2.1, and works OK in Warp 3.  In Warp 4 it
was also broken, but got fixed around Fixpack 6 or 7, and by FP8 for
sure.  I am currently using FP10, and it is working fine in several DOS
programs which I have written.

If you happen to be writing the DOS programs in MS Quick Basic, look
in Hobbes, or elsewhere, for a file called QBSlice.zip, written by D.
S. Katzer at the U. S. Naval Research Labs.  He describes exactly how to
do it, along with an excellent dissertation of other ways to do it.

Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Sep-99 16:02:18
  To: all                                               10-Sep-99 21:25:26
Subj: faxworks

I happened to have installed the faxworks stuff from the bonus pack on to this 
machine way back when,  and didn't do anything with it for quite some time...

Today I tried to use it,  and the package kept on complaining about not
getting the proper responses from the modem,  and I wasn't able to fax
anything out.

The modem isn't anything terribly unusual,  it's a Courier,  and works well to 
support the bbs here.

Is there something special in terms of how I have to set this up?

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From: paul marwick                                      10-Sep-99 09:45:27
  To: Jack Stein                                        10-Sep-99 23:21:10
Subj: File Managers

Hi Jack

Replying to a message of Jack Stein to Paul Marwick:

 JS> It does copy the file though, just not the FILES.BBS entry.

 JS> It's still a bug though, but looks like it stays that way.

:-( Thats the part I don't like...

 PM>> It will do the same if you try and copy a file with a long
 PM>> name and a FILES.BBS entry, or if you try and move the same
 PM>> file.

 JS> But it has no problem copying and moving files with long filenames,
 JS> just not when you are trying to copy a long filename file AND its
 JS> FILES.BBS entry.

I never said it had a problem with long filenames per se, just that it cannot
combine long file names and FILES.BBS sucessfully. 

 JS> OS2C claims to handle ZIP, ARJ and LHZ self-extracting archives, and
 JS> it does, perfectly.  Which other ones does FC/2 handle?

Perfectly? I think not. In fact, I'm sure not. I have a directory with 30 .EXE 
files, of which 29 are self extracting archives. 28 of those are
self-extractivng Zips, one is a self-extracting RAR. FC/2 reads all 29 of the
self extractors correctly. OS/2 Commander says that 18 of them are not
archives. That is a _long_ way from adequate, let alone perfect.

I don't like self extractors. They always strike me as being dangerous. Which, 
in my view, makes it more important that my file manager handles them so I am
not exposed to potential problems when trying to extract them. In this area,
OS/2 Commander can only be described as a dismal failure.

The FILES.BBS and long filenames bug is an oddity - if that was the only
problem, I could ignore it as unimportant. The failure to correctly handle
self extracting archives is (IMHO) a major problem. 

 JS>> I've been using OS2C for years, and thats about the only two 
 JS>> "bugs" I've noticed, both are very minor.  I generally don't 
 JS>> use his editor anyway, and he doesn't really expect you to use 
 JS>> his, he allows 2 other external editors plus his assigned to 
 JS>> hot keys, so that one is a non-problem.  

I don't expect an enormous amount from the internal editor - I've got others I 
can use. The one area where the limitations of his editor are annoying is when 
editing FILES.BBS (TAB when one panel is in Info mode). The internal editor
does not handle long lines very well, and some FILES.BBS entries can be up to
1024 characters. Anything of that sort, you have to avoid using the internal
editor or end up with line wrapping that you don't want...

 JS> There are some bugs, none that would preclude me from using it.  Most
 JS> of them are quite obscure.  Another one you haven't mentioned is
 JS> cutting and pasting from the command line.  For some reason, and I'm
 JS> not certain it is OS2C fault, I can't cut and paste to the OS2C
 JS> command line any more.  I'm pretty sure this used to work, so I don't
 JS> know what happened.  I saw that Bat mentioned this also, so maybe it
 JS> is a problem with OS2C.  It is the only one that particulary bother
 JS> me.

"Obscure" depends on usage. For me, a number of the bugs mentioned are not
obscure, since they occur regularly during my usage. YMMV

 JS> I blame the whole mess on IBM, MS, INTEL, ZIFF-DAVIS and the DOJ.  A
 JS> clear  case of a giant cartel run amuck, screwing the public at will,
 JS> and the DOJ too corrupt to do anything about it.

:)

Maybe its time people registering shareware enquired about the availabilty of
soruce should the author decide to halt development. If registration decisions 
were based in part on availability of source, users prepared to back shareware 
might be less often left in the lurch.

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      10-Sep-99 09:41:16
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   10-Sep-99 23:21:10
Subj: File Managers

Hi Roy

Replying to a message of Roy J. Tellason to paul marwick:

 RJT> But that's the whole point -- you _can't_ anticipate things like
 RJT> that,  so a program should be designed to just deal with it somehow, 
 RJT> and in a sensible manner,  and not get weird over it.

:) Well, I know of all too many programs that fail in the area of anticipation 
or handling things that weren't anticipated. InspectA is (unfortunately) a
long way from being alone in this area.

 RJT> Exactly.  I have my own preferred format for my files listings, 
 RJT> which is so many characters offset from the left after the line
 RJT> displayed containing the filename,  size,  and date -- and this is
 RJT> different in the software that generates my downloadable files
 RJT> lists,  yet in either case they simply take the "one-long-line" data
 RJT> that they're handed and deal with them appropriately, not truncating
 RJT> or cutting words in the middle or similar nonsense like I've seen
 RJT> some software do.

 RJT> But I could go on at length on this topic,  and already have on
 RJT> occasion.  <g> I'll probably write an article for fidonews one of
 RJT> these days...

:) You have my full agreement. I'm sick of wading through all the fancy
characters (or the boxes which never display correctly)....

 pm>> I use RAR a lot (registered a copy of the OS/2 version two or 
 pm>> three years ago). And, since I find it more effective than many 
 pm>> of the other archivers, I'm not going to be converting away 
 pm>> from it...

 RJT> Effective how,  in terms of space?  Or speed?  I used to worry about
 RJT> space,  but saw a post earlier in another echo about 8.4G drives for
 RJT> $99 (don't know if this is a rebate thingy or what),  so I sure
 RJT> ain't worried about it the way I used to be.

I often end up having to carry files (sometimes very big files) around on 
floppy disk. RAR supports mulit-volume archives very well and is (genrally)
the most space efficient archive. So I use it a lot - saves me lugging extra
floppies... I also use it for small scale backup, since its text-graphic
screen provides more information as to what it is doing than is the case with
any of the other archives.

My only complaint about it is that the self extrating archives that it
generates are platform specific, so I can't generate a single self extractor
that I can use on multiple platforms. Still, since I have multiple mplatform
versions of RAR, that isn't a major concern.

 pm>> :-) Time you got an updated editor... I use FED )FED025S.ZIP) 
 pm>> which is free, small enough to go on a floppy and works well... 
 pm>> Can be made to work pretty much like Qedit as well.

 RJT> I'll have to look around for it.  How big is the package it comes in?

fed025s.zip  (190771 15-06-99) 

For a small, freeware editor, this one is pretty good. Includes multiple file
editing, syntax highlighting, programable keyboard. And its text mode and
small enough to install on a boot floppy (:-) I never did get along with Tedit 
terribly well...)

 pm>> :-) Can I place an order forr an updated InspectA clone now?

 RJT> You'd definitely be in mind for it,  bringing these discussions into
 RJT> here,  which I've enjoyed.  To run under Linux?  I sure don't have
 RJT> OS/2 tools on hand here...  <g>

Well, I am gradually learning Linux. Though I still keep coming back to OS/2,
for any number of reasons.

regards, paul

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From: paul marwick                                      10-Sep-99 10:20:05
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 23:21:10
Subj: Staroffice

I don't know how many people in here are aware of it, but Sun has (or is in
the process of) buying Stardivision.

As a result of the takeover, Sun are offering a CD with all versions of
StarOffice on it for a very nominal $US9.95 plus freight. StarOffice has bcome 
free for any use.

I've just got my new CD - to get it to Australia cost more than the CD, but
delivery was prety prompt. 

The CD contains StarOffice for Windows, OS/2, Linux, Solaris and
Solaris/Intel. Plus a number of extra fonts and clipart. Seems like a pretty
good deal all up.

I found the information at: http://www.sun.com/staroffice

paul.

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From: Will Honea                                        10-Sep-99 21:39:00
  To: Fred Springfield                                  10-Sep-99 21:39:00
Subj: DOS program "fix"

Fred Springfield wrote to Will Honea on 09-10-1999

FS> This was broken in OS/2 v2.1, and works OK in Warp 3.  In Warp 4
FS> it was also broken, but got fixed around Fixpack 6 or 7, and by FP8
FS> for sure.  I am currently using FP10, and it is working fine in
FS> several DOS programs which I have written. 

Thanks, Fred.  I had forgotten about the 100% usage problem with early
Warp 4 fixpaks until you mentioned it.

Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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